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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / September 2005when the dairymen found out what colloidal silver could do....
Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has been curable for quite some time using antibiotics. The only problem was that during the cure, the cows often went off feed, sometimes suffering from a high fever, and their milk had to be thrown away. Not long ago, some dairy farmers in Wisconsin tried a new product (colloidal silver) that has had some astonishing results. Not only do the cows not go off feed when administered this product, their udders don't swell and they don't get high the fevers usually associated with mastitis. And the best part is that the milk doesn't have to be thrown away during treatment as with antibiotics." In fact, when the dairymen found out what colloidal silver could do without any side effects a large segment of the dairy industry soon began wading the cows through pools of colloidal silver to and from each milking to cure the serious problem of hoof wart, changing the water daily and then began putting colloidal silver into all the drinking water. One dairyman called me wanting equipment to produce 33,000 gallons of colloidal silver a day! Farmers take better care of their livestock than they do their families. Note: The FDA states silver is not proven safe and does not works. HOWEVER The chinese have made Conval PAg-40TM, a silver-bearing antibiotic certified by the Science and Technology Ministry of China as a "National Key New Product." hmmmm.. who do we think is the LIAR? hmmmm.. who do we think is the LIAR? You. Silver is not safe. Plain and simple.. >You I've nothing to do with this. When the plague comes China and the Wisconsin dairy cattle will be prepared. >Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of >agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >mastitis. And the best part is that the milk doesn't have to be thrown >away during treatment as with antibiotics." Oh, a press release. From an unnamed source. Wow, I know I am so convinced by this. >In fact, when the dairymen found out what colloidal silver could do >without any side effects a large segment of the dairy industry soon [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >33,000 gallons of colloidal silver a day! Farmers take better care of >their livestock than they do their families. There's a big difference from applying silver topically and taking it internally. >Note: >The FDA states silver is not proven safe and does not works. Quite a reasonable attitude towards the quacks who want us to swallow the stuff. Not to mention the nitwits who constantly parrot the blather about how colloidal silver "kills over 650 different types of microorganisms" and how "bacteria cannot become resistant to silver." (That last claim is complete bullshit; it's in the literature.) >HOWEVER > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >hmmmm.. who do we think is the LIAR? Well, those press release guys are often at the top of MY list. As for China, well, I really don't know what all that hype means. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > >Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of > >agriculture. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > From an unnamed source. > Wow, I know I am so convinced by this. > Quite a reasonable attitude towards the quacks who want us to swallow > the stuff. Not to mention the nitwits who constantly parrot the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (That last claim is complete bullshit; it's in the literature.) > -- David Wright Oh wow, Davey, is that like a "press release" you just issued? Would you like to NAME your "unnamed source" on this? If it's "in the literature", could you at least give us title, author, copyright date, publisher, page number... anything?! Oh nevermind, "I know I am so convinced by this", by what you posted, that you need not bother... CALC >> >Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of >> >agriculture. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >If it's "in the literature", could you at least give us title, author, >copyright date, publisher, page number... anything?! Sure. Just go to PubMed and type in silver-resistant bacteria like I did, and check out the 16 hits. Pseudomonas, e.coli.. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of > agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > mastitis. And the best part is that the milk doesn't have to be thrown > away during treatment as with antibiotics." The above information is of no concern for humans who are smart enough to NOT drink cow's milk. > > Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of > > agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The above information is of no concern for humans who are smart > enough to NOT drink cow's milk. You missed the point dork. Colloidal silver is a good, natural antibacterial/antibiotic that does not have the side effects of allopathic preparations... My housemate is currently making it. I intend to experiment with it for topical use in an acne control cream.  SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> > Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of >> > agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Colloidal silver is a good, natural antibacterial/antibiotic that does >not have the side effects of allopathic preparations... No, it has different side effects. But it has them. However, the proponents seem incapable of distinguishing between the use of silver topically vs taking it internally. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > >> > Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of > >> > agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > No, it has different side effects. But it has them. Argyria only occurs if you are stupid enough to mis-use it. It's best used ONLY when you are ill and not as a routine supplement. Colloidal silver nasal sprays seem to be linked to this problem more than any other form. I don't see how using it daily this way can possibly be of any benefit. :-P > However, the proponents seem incapable of distinguishing between the > use of silver topically vs taking it internally. See above. Granted, topical use is safer, but judicious internal use DURING ILLNESS is also practical if caution is used. AFAIK tho', it's not generally toxic like some antibiotics (such as aminoglycocides) are. It also does not seem to do as much damage to intestinal flora balance. Anything, if mis-used, can mess with you. The trick is to educate yourself and pay attention. Even herbs, vitamins and basic necessities can be deadly if abused. Water is a good example. ;-) http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/09_00/noakes.htm SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> >> > Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of >> >> > agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Argyria only occurs if you are stupid enough to mis-use it. Of course, exactly how it's used correctly is a mystery, because commercial colloidal silver products varied so widely in silver content. (Some of the manufacturers were economizing by not bothering to include any actual silver in their products.) >It's best used ONLY when you are ill and not as a routine supplement. So you say. But that's not what everyone says. How do I know the truth? >Colloidal silver nasal sprays seem to be linked to this problem >more than any other form. I don't see how using it daily this way can >possibly be of any benefit. :-P Why not? You're trying to kill cold viruses, strep, etc, that are attempting to make their homes in your mucous membranes. Seems perfectly in keeping with the general approach to me. >> However, the proponents seem incapable of distinguishing between the >> use of silver topically vs taking it internally. > >See above. You may be an exception, but you ARE an exception. >Granted, topical use is safer, but judicious internal use DURING ILLNESS >is also practical if caution is used. I'm less concerned with "practical" and more concerned with "effective." I know of no clinical evidence for the latter, just a bunch of testimonials. I place little reliance on testimonials. >AFAIK tho', it's not generally toxic like some antibiotics (such as >aminoglycocides) are. It also does not seem to do as much damage to >intestinal flora balance. Then maybe it doesn't do anything at all. >Anything, if mis-used, can mess with you. >The trick is to educate yourself and pay attention. > >Even herbs, vitamins and basic necessities can be deadly if abused. > >Water is a good example. ;-) That's why I think we need to outlaw dihydrogen monoxide. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > >> >> > Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of > >> >> > agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > content. (Some of the manufacturers were economizing by not bothering > to include any actual silver in their products.) All the more reason to make your own. It's not exactly expensive. > >It's best used ONLY when you are ill and not as a routine supplement. > > So you say. But that's not what everyone says. How do I know the > truth? Research research research. ;-) > >Colloidal silver nasal sprays seem to be linked to this problem > >more than any other form. I don't see how using it daily this way can [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > attempting to make their homes in your mucous membranes. Seems > perfectly in keeping with the general approach to me. Because chronic/regular use is linked to argyria. Do you really want to look like an alien? ;-) The silver/gray pigmentation is not reversable. > >> However, the proponents seem incapable of distinguishing between the > >> use of silver topically vs taking it internally. > > > >See above. > > You may be an exception, but you ARE an exception. Who says I said I was an exception? All I know is that it shortens the duration of illnesses if I use it. Anecdotal, but at this point there are no controlled studies that I am aware of, but I've not done any extensive googling to be sure. I'm not all knowing and don't claim to be. > >Granted, topical use is safer, but judicious internal use DURING ILLNESS > >is also practical if caution is used. > > I'm less concerned with "practical" and more concerned with > "effective." I know of no clinical evidence for the latter, just a > bunch of testimonials. I place little reliance on testimonials. I go the other way. Many "studies" are flawed and skewed. Look what happened with Vioxx? Sometimes, with non-drug company pushed items, anecdotals are all you are going to get! Try it and see if it works for you. I'm convinced. ;-) Be your own guinea pig, or be a slave to corporate greed. > >AFAIK tho', it's not generally toxic like some antibiotics (such as > >aminoglycocides) are. It also does not seem to do as much damage to > >intestinal flora balance. > > Then maybe it doesn't do anything at all. Like I said, try it and see. Generating your own costs pennies per gallon. I've no idea where manufacturers get off charging what they do! > >Anything, if mis-used, can mess with you. > >The trick is to educate yourself and pay attention. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's why I think we need to outlaw dihydrogen monoxide. <snicker> Very funny....... ;-D H2O. I got a "B" in Organic and Biochemistry. I know what DiHydrogen Monoxide is. Have you had your share of Sodium Chloride today? Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> >> >> > Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of >> >> >> > agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >All the more reason to make your own. >It's not exactly expensive. I suppose I should do that right after I build my own analytical laboratory, so that I know what it is I'm ingesting. >> >It's best used ONLY when you are ill and not as a routine supplement. >> >> So you say. But that's not what everyone says. How do I know the >> truth? > >Research research research. ;-) And there isn't any good research on taking colloidal silver internally for disease treatment or prevention. So I guess I'll skip taking it for now. >> >Colloidal silver nasal sprays seem to be linked to this problem >> >more than any other form. I don't see how using it daily this way can [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Do you really want to look like an alien? ;-) >The silver/gray pigmentation is not reversable. I know that. That's why I see no reason to use colloidal siler at all. It can turn me gray even without my swallowing any. >> >> However, the proponents seem incapable of distinguishing between the >> >> use of silver topically vs taking it internally. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >aware of, but I've not done any extensive googling to be sure. >I'm not all knowing and don't claim to be. There are no controlled studies, you are correct. And it's anecdotal, all right. >> >Granted, topical use is safer, but judicious internal use DURING ILLNESS >> >is also practical if caution is used. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Many "studies" are flawed and skewed. >Look what happened with Vioxx? What about it? Vioxx works quite well as a painkiller -- it just has those nasty cardiac side effects. With silver, I don't even have any studies telling me it works, never mind the side effects. >Be your own guinea pig, or be a slave to corporate greed. And if the CS doesn't work, or harms me, can I sue you? >I got a "B" in Organic and Biochemistry. >I know what DiHydrogen Monoxide is. That puts you way ahead of most of the population. >Have you had your share of Sodium Chloride today? Yes, I'm the salt of the earth. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > >> >> >> > Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of > >> >> >> > agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > I suppose I should do that right after I build my own analytical > laboratory, so that I know what it is I'm ingesting. Nah. You use fine silver and deionized water like you are supposed to and all you will have is ionized silver in the mix. All you need to measure it is an inexpensive TS meter that will give you a PPM reading. That way you will know the strength and how much to use. > >> >It's best used ONLY when you are ill and not as a routine supplement. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > internally for disease treatment or prevention. So I guess > I'll skip taking it for now. It's okay! To each their own. I've found that it does indeed shorten the duration of a head cold, rather drastically if I catch it soon enough. I never use the stuff unless I am ill, or headed in that direction. Also makes a GREAT topical pimple or boil treatment. Oh, and by the way, there HAVE been studies on colloidal silver. Google is great: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=studies+on+colloidal+s ilver > >> >Colloidal silver nasal sprays seem to be linked to this problem > >> >more than any other form. I don't see how using it daily this way can [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I know that. That's why I see no reason to use colloidal siler at > all. It can turn me gray even without my swallowing any. It's less likely to turn you gray if you swallow it, or use it topically. For some reason (I'm not sure why) most cases of silver pigment deposits in the skin are linked to nasal sprays. And chronic, regular, long term use. Which is not necessary... > >> >> However, the proponents seem incapable of distinguishing between the > >> >> use of silver topically vs taking it internally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > There are no controlled studies, you are correct. And it's anecdotal, > all right. Yes, there are. Follow the link above. > >> >Granted, topical use is safer, but judicious internal use DURING ILLNESS > >> >is also practical if caution is used. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > those nasty cardiac side effects. With silver, I don't even have any > studies telling me it works, never mind the side effects. But silver won't kill you like Vioxx does. ;-) > >Be your own guinea pig, or be a slave to corporate greed. > > And if the CS doesn't work, or harms me, can I sue you? You are a big boy. Unless I sell it to you or pour it down your throat, no. I have no liability. > >I got a "B" in Organic and Biochemistry. > >I know what DiHydrogen Monoxide is. > > That puts you way ahead of most of the population. Yeah, I gathered that. Scary isn't it? > >Have you had your share of Sodium Chloride today? > > Yes, I'm the salt of the earth. Just don't add it to your coffee. ;-) And dilute your sodium hypochlorite prior to using it in the laundry... Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> Colloidal silver is rapidly being adopted into several areas of >> agriculture. In a news release from Orem Utah, we read: "Mastitis has [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The above information is of no concern for humans who are smart >enough to NOT drink cow's milk. Will somebody stop the broken record, please? Colloidal silver,has helped many,they do not come here anymore as they are well.You do what YOU think is right,BUT unless you are possitive it has not helped some,then you are a WRONG. Colloidal silver is now apart of hydrocodone pain pills,it is in band aids,these all pertain to humans.Chuck you fool......lol..... > Colloidal silver,has helped many, Helped many to turn gray from argryia. >they do not come here anymore as they are well. LOL We WISH they didn't come here. We WISH the silver cult profiteers would STOP spamming us with lies and distortions. >You do what YOU think is right,BUT unless you are possitive it > has not helped some,then you are a WRONG. I am POSITIVE it has never helped ANYONE. And why is it that all the silver cult freaks have the worst grammer diction and spelling in history? Are you all inbred freaks from the hills of Appalachia? > Colloidal silver is now apart of hydrocodone pain pills, THAT is a BLATANT LIE! It is NOT an ingredient in hydrocodone pills. It is NOT approved as safe OR effective for ANY internal use. >it is in band > aids,these all pertain to humans.Chuck you fool......lol..... It is used in topical solutions only. But has no proven benefit even there. What part of China has it's own silver bearing antibiotic do you morons not understand? Are you saying it's a great conspiracy that they are trying to pull over us? Did they brainwash wisconsin dairy men using their special chinese powers? Talk about conspiracy nuts. > What part of China has it's own silver bearing antibiotic do you morons > not understand? > Are you saying it's a great conspiracy that they are trying to pull > over us? > Did they brainwash wisconsin dairy men using their special chinese > powers? Do not have a cow over intelligent people not accepting your male bovine excreta. > Talk about conspiracy nuts. I prefer cashews. Brent, here's a rule to apply henceforth in this Newsgroup: Whenever a treatment for Lyme is cited as safe and effective, and it brings out the Screaming Devils in this newsgroup doing all they can (as obedient corporate servants) to besmirch it... then you KNOW said treatment has merit and is 'on track'. CALC > What part of China has it's own silver bearing antibiotic do you morons > not understand? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Talk about conspiracy nuts. >What part of China has it's own silver bearing antibiotic do you morons >not understand? So what if they do? China also produces a very large number of herbal products, a disturbing number of which are contaminated with heavy metals and other toxins. >Are you saying it's a great conspiracy that they are trying to pull >over us? >Did they brainwash wisconsin dairy men using their special chinese >powers? > >Talk about conspiracy nuts. Talk about people who don't understand context. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth The FDA are aware of whats going on. Of course the pressure to have disease free cattle will always outweigh any threats the FDA use. To bad the financial incentive for humans is the exact opposite. COLLOIDAL SILVER NOT APPROVED FDA has received reports that products containing colloidal silver are being promoted for use in the treatment of mastitis and other serious disease conditions of dairy cattle, as well as for various conditions of companion animals. For example, FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine has received reports from the Agency's regional milk specialists and State inspectors that colloidal silver products have been found on some dairy farms. Also, recent articles in some farm newspapers and journals promote the use of colloidal silver in treating mastitis and claim that no milk discard is needed. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/CVM_Updates/silver.html >Colloidal silver,has helped many,they do not come here anymore as they >are well.You do what YOU think is right,BUT unless you are possitive it >has not helped some,then you are a WRONG. > >Colloidal silver is now apart of hydrocodone pain pills,it is in band >aids,these all pertain to humans.Chuck you fool......lol..... Bandaids? I don't believe you. It'll take more than your unsupported word to get me to believe you. Silver is used in some burn dressings, but in bandaids? I doubt it. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >>Colloidal silver,has helped many,they do not come here anymore as they >>are well.You do what YOU think is right,BUT unless you are possitive it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >word to get me to believe you. Silver is used in some burn dressings, >but in bandaids? I doubt it. Whoops, my mistake, sort of. I see that Curad does have a line of bandages with silver in them. I know that 3M also has antibacterial bandages, but I don't know whether they use silver or something else (the packaging doesn't say). -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth ADVERSE REACTIONS (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity. DRUG INTERACTIONS · Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. · Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug. High levels of silver were found in the plasma, erythrocytes, and cerebrospinal fluid. He remained in a vegetative state and died 5.5 months later despite extensive treatment. Researchers concluded that the neurotoxicity and the resulting death was due to ingestion of colloidal silver. Sloan-Kettering: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/11571.cfm?RecordID=715&tab=HC Be advised that dali snorts his colloidal silver so to get more of it into the brain quicker. Looks like it's working. Sloan-Kettering: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/htm l/11571.cfm?RecordID=715&tab=H C Feel free to explain to us how these countries/entities feel it is safe to drink it on a DAILY basis. Who is correct, the WHO or this sloan-kettering crap? Colloidal Silver and hydrogen peroxide, especially in combination, exhibit significant microbial inactivation at concentrations that pose no health risk according to the EEC, WHO and US EPA. Several countries, including Switzerland, Germany and Australia have given approval for the use of colloidal silver and hydrogen peroxide as a drinking water disinfectant. The EEC and Israel Ministry of Health have specifically approved the use of colloidal silver as a drinking water disinfectant at an MCL (Maximum Contaminant Level) of 80ppb (Pedahzur, R et al, Water Sci Technol, 31(5-6), 1995). Widespread use might result in potential for uptake of silver ions by humans, but research suggests that: "risks are minimal under all likely scenarios" (Final Report: Evaluation of the Efficacy of a New Secondary Disinfectant Formulation Using Hydrogen Peroxide and Silver. US EPA NNCER, Dec 3, 2001). The USA EPA has declared that "silver does not cause adverse health effects" and set a MCL at 100 ppb for all drinking water. Recently an EU Drinking Water Standard proposed removing any upper limit for silver in drinking water, following the WHO's Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality, which states that: "it is not necessary to recommend any health-based guidelines for silver as it is not hazardous to human health" ("Silver Water Purification Systems Offer Reliable Alternative to Chlorine", The Silver Institute, Wash, March 25, 1997). The World Health Organisation still advocates 100ppb levels of silver for drinking water (Pelkonen K et al, Toxicology, 186(1-2), 2003). > Sloan-Kettering: > http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/htm l/11571.cfm?RecordID=715&tab=H C Are you claiming that the above site supports its use? dali wrote: > Sloan-Kettering: > http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/htm l/11571.cfm?RecordID=715&tab=H C >Are you claiming that the above site supports its use? No I stated they are right OR the rest of the world is right. if you want to check what CS/clay does with skin cancer here ya go. http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-healing-clay-cancer.html > dali wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > No I stated they are right OR the rest of the world is right. Now, that is what I call a false appeal to authority! The rest of the world? BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! How about leaving it at fact based science vs. imagination? > if you want to check what CS/clay does with skin cancer here ya go. > > http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-healing-clay-cancer.html I read that. More male bovine extreta. Looking for the cause of cancer is not a waste of time as claimed by this site. As for those who abandon surgery for removal of skin cancer, they do it at their own peril. Skin cancer, unlike other forms, commonly recurs. That is nothing new or shocking. The removal of a small lesion and finding a new tumor at another site is not *recurrence* since skin cancer is caused by excessive sun exposure. Thus, it can happen anywhere you had a sunburn. A family member, my former LT when I was a life guard, who has made being a supervising life guard a >40 year part-time career has had several lesions removed. The site is MBE. > > dali wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How about leaving it at fact based science vs. imagination? By "world" I mean The USA EPA has declared that "silver does not cause adverse health effects" and set a MCL at 100 ppb for all drinking water. Recently an EU Drinking Water Standard proposed removing any upper limit for silver in drinking water, following the WHO's Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality, which states that: "it is not necessary to recommend any health-based guidelines for silver as it is not hazardous to human health" vs Sloan-Kettering: Who the hell cares? I didn't know they where on the forefront of silver research??? <snip> >>>dali wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > By "world" I mean The USA EPA has declared that "silver does not cause > adverse health effects" at what level of intake? > and set a MCL at 100 ppb for all drinking > water. 100 parts per billion...well, with the fraud in the manufacture of many of the colloidal silver products, I see that the only risk is to the sucker...oops..sorry....consumer's pocket book. Recently an > EU Drinking Water Standard proposed removing any upper limit for silver > in drinking water, following the WHO's Guidelines for Drinking Water > Quality, which states that: "it is not necessary to recommend any > health-based guidelines for silver as it is not hazardous to human > health" BTW, do you realize that those standards refer to dissolved silver compounds, not colloidal silver? Apples and oranges. Also: http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~a3WwxB:1 > vs > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > <snip> They aren't. However, they are staffed by SmartPeople who can distill many sources into a webpage discussing the lack of merits of consuming silver.The page is provided as part of an overall patient education program. > >>>dali wrote: > >>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Apples and oranges. Yes they are apples and oranges. They are talking about silver and peroxide to purify the water. What compounds do you think they are talking about? > Also: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > silver.The page is provided as part of an overall patient education > program. I heard the chinese are also fairly smart > Sloan-Kettering: >http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/htm l/11571.cfm?RecordID=715&tab=H C > >Feel free to explain to us how these countries/entities feel it is safe >to drink it on a DAILY basis. Who is correct, the WHO or this >sloan-kettering crap? They both are, genius. The concentrations of silver in a typical colloidal silver product are far higher than 100 ppb. Not that I'd expect you to put any actual thought into this. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >Colloidal Silver and hydrogen peroxide, especially in combination, >exhibit significant microbial inactivation at concentrations that pose [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Health Organisation still advocates 100ppb levels of silver for >drinking water (Pelkonen K et al, Toxicology, 186(1-2), 2003). > > Sloan-Kettering: > >http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/htm l/11571.cfm?RecordID=715&tab=H C [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > colloidal silver product are far higher than 100 ppb. Not that > I'd expect you to put any actual thought into this. So it's ok to drink 100 ppb ON A DAILY BASIS but not something stronger to fight disease? Did you just make this up? Next try try posting a source for your drivel. >> > Sloan-Kettering: >> >http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/htm l/11571.cfm?RecordID=715&tab=H C [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >to fight disease? Did you just make this up? Next try try posting a >source for your drivel. "The dose makes the poison." This has been known for centuries. I bet you're really into "detoxification" since most alties are. Well, silver is a toxin, and the body can eliminate it, but not very fast. At 100 ppb in water (probably less), the body handles it. At the doses in colloidal silver, it doesn't. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >"The dose makes the poison." This has been known for centuries. I >bet you're really into "detoxification" since most alties are. Well, >silver is a toxin, and the body can eliminate it, but not very fast. >At 100 ppb in water (probably less), the body handles it. At the >doses in colloidal silver, it doesn't. We really don't know much but what we do know is not what you just stated. # References (8) and ( 70) state that the estimated total dosage of silver required to treat serious infections such as LYME disease is: Approximately 18 to 90 milligrams of silver over the period of one month. # The estimated accumulated dosage required to produce argyria is: Approximately one to six grams of silver, depending on the reference cited. Some references state as high as 50 grams.(1)(62) # The estimated single dose lethal quantity of silver is: Approximately ten grams of silver (Note: This estimate is for silver nitrate which is much more toxic than colloidal silver)(56) http://www.clspress.com/tox.html >>"The dose makes the poison." This has been known for centuries. I >>bet you're really into "detoxification" since most alties are. Well, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Approximately 18 to 90 milligrams of silver over the period of one >month. They may well indeed state that, but since I don't know what references 8 & 70 are referencing, there's no way for me to evaluate their evidence. Could be "private communication" or commercial web sites for all I know. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >>>"The dose makes the poison." This has been known for centuries. I >>>bet you're really into "detoxification" since most alties are. Well, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >their evidence. Could be "private communication" or commercial web >sites for all I know. Colloidal Silver: Keeping Things in Perspective We are still in the process of checking the authenticity of the above symptoms for extreme silver poisoning. It should be understood, that it has likely been over 40 years since anyone has experienced silver toxicity to this degree. However, the above data, if indeed accurate, gives us an extraordinary amount of knowledge. We found one reference that claimed that Argyria often first causes slight discoloration of the white of the eye. * A recent poll taken from over 200 participants has clearly demonstrated that even when used regularly for 2 - 5 years, no ill effects are experienced from using colloidal silver. * An independent researcher analyzed silver elimination vs. silver consumed, over a period of several months consuming roughly 2.34 mg of colloidal silver daily. His results clearly demonstrated that even larger amounts of colloidal silver used internally are WELL handled by the body's elimination system. This study will can be viewed by clicking following this link. * Another independent researcher, basing his study on a rabbit experiment, concluded that it would take about 13 gallons of 10 ppm colloidal silver to induce a toxic response, and this would have to be taken at one sitting. In the event that for whatever reason, the body began to reach a toxic level of silver intake, it is easy to catch the first signs and thus avoid any serious effects, be they cosmetic or health oriented. There are several people through the years that have made brief attempts to induce silver toxicity in their own body via properly made isolated colloidal silver, and we have never heard of a successful attempt, nor have we been able, in a DILIGENT search, to find one case of Argyria related to isolated colloidal silver. http://www.silvermedicine.org/safety2.html >>>>"The dose makes the poison." This has been known for centuries. I >>>>bet you're really into "detoxification" since most alties are. Well, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >that it has likely been over 40 years since anyone has experienced >silver toxicity to this degree. Except I didn't say anything about toxicity here; I was talking about efficacy, an issue you have done nothing to report upon in your response. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >They both are, genius. The concentrations of silver in a typical >colloidal silver product are far higher than 100 ppb. Not that >I'd expect you to put any actual thought into this. So it's ok to drink it on a DAILY basis but not at higher doses at shorter periods of time to help fight disease/infection? Have any proof for this idiotic drivel that you spew? |
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