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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / August 2005Silver antimicrobial use granted US patent
All news for July 2005 All news for June 2005 Related Product Information Compounds and consumables 01/07/2005 - An ionic silver complex designed for human antimicrobial use has received a US patent, in a move that could well see increased usage of this technology that exhibits broad-spectrum antimicrobial qualities as well as displaying a lack of causing resistant strains. Silver ions, while being lethal to single-celled microorganisms, are harmless to human cells and are increasingly being used in wound care due to their ability to facilitate the healing of tissue. The patented technology provides for a safe product due to the efficiency of delivery, introducing a quantity of silver to the body - less than what may exist in a person's average drinking water intake as a naturally occurring mineral. The difference is this new technology is designed to deliver the silver as active silver ions with antimicrobial ability. Invision International Health Solutions, owners of the ionic silver complex technology, said that the patented technology was designed to utilise naturally occurring substances, such as citrate, to achieve optimal delivery and release of silver ions in the human body, in an efficient and safe manner. "This patented technology represents a leap beyond predecessor silver ion technologies, including those that utilise electrolysis for manufacturing, such as colloidal silver," says Jay Newman, the company's president and CEO. This invention (US patent number, 6,838,095) relates to solutions including complexed ionic silver. In particular, it relates to solutions including complexed ionic silver wherein the solutions convey health benefits through their use or application. "In addition, this composition-of-matter patent provides far more meaningful protection than the product-by-process patents that have been issued on other silver products," Newman added. Along with its antimicrobial qualities and lack of toxicity to humans, evidence is mounting that silver ions have powerful antiviral effects as well. A recent university study suggested ionic silver to be effective against the SARS virus. In Europe, ionic silver is a medically approved treatment used to combat systemic viral conditions, including the common cold and flu. Silver ion compounds have also been introduced in recent years for antimicrobial use in medical devices and wound-care products. They are also being used for pharmaceutical equipment sanitation, and for killing germs including the germ that causes Legionnaires' Disease in the water systems of hospitals. Ionic silver is used for many severe conditions as well, including, for example, tuberculosis, Epstein-Barr Virus, Lyme Disease, Legionnaires' Disease, bronchitis, chicken pox, and numerous others. There are actually few germ-related conditions, or conditions requiring the repair of tissue, for which ionic silver is not used, since many claim it is not only effective in killing most bacteria but also many if not most fungus and viruses. Some reports indicate that it is also effective against a number of parasites that might invade the body. Ionic silver is also reported by some researchers to be effective at treating cancer and HIV. dali a écrit dans le message <1123079712.808645.87020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>... >All news for July 2005 >All news for June 2005 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >due to their ability to facilitate the healing of tissue. >SNIP. Silver nitrate has been used by Medical Doctors and in hospitals as an anti-imicrobial for well over a hundred and fifty years. In solution (silver nitrate) the silver is of course in ionic form. This product was once standard in hospitals for prevention of eye infections in new borns and found use when cast into sticks to cauterize wounds. If has had over the years various topical applications. Sliver nitrate as an anti-microbial has largely been replaced by other products. These ( silver nitrate) products are NOT the same as colloidal silver. Colloidal silver does NOT have the same anti-microbial properties. Your other statements about the use of silver compounds for HIV and cancer and for internal use for serious infections is just nonsense. JL >Colloidal silver does NOT have the same anti-microbial properties. in-vitro it does. This is beyond dispute and I wont waste my time on it. >Your other statements about the use of silver compounds for HIV and cancer and for internal use for serious infections is just nonsense. Not my statements, but silver against HIV has been proven in in-vivo testing. need me to post it? dali a écrit dans le message <1123088782.937465.152650@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... >>Colloidal silver does NOT have the same anti-microbial >properties. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >testing. >need me to post it? The fact that colliodal silver does NOT have the same effect as silver nitrate is NOT in dispute. If you have any papers to cite from professional journals or valid research organizations please post them. Please do not waste peoples time with promotional material from con artists or lunatics. JL New Catheter-Electrode System Features Silver By Samuel Etris, Senior Technical Consultant to The Silver Institute A new catheter-electrode system, using a low-intensity current to push bacteria and virus-fighting silver ions into the bloodstream, has been patented by a Pennsylvania company. The catheter combines a silver electrode inserted into the patient's blood stream with a second electrode placed on the nearby skin. The combined action releases silver ions into the blood for immediate reaction with pathogens such as HIV viruses. The silver ions do not attack normal human cells because these cells have protective walls, which is not the case for bacteria, viruses and fungi. Studies revealed in U.S. Patent, No. 6,066,489 - assigned to Arrow International, Inc. of Reading, Pennsylvania - show improvement by HIV patients treated with in-blood silver ions. One patient prior to treatment had over two million copies of the HIV virus per milliliter of blood and had an infection fighter cell (T4 cells) count of 18. The patient was experiencing serious kidney malfunction. Within 24 hours after silver ion treatment, the HIV virus count dropped to about one million copies and T4 cells fell to 11. One month after treatment began, the HIV virus count was again halved and the Patient's overall health improved. The catheter-electrode system is intended to be a universal aid in treating blood-borne infections otherwise extremely difficult to treat or cure once infection has begun. Blood-borne viruses can completely overwhelm a patient, defeating the immune system and leading to death. The catheter electrode is 97.8 percent silver, 2 percent Platinum, and 0.2 percent copper. The silver supplies the active silver ion; platinum acts as a catalyst to aid in the release of the silver ions and prevents a buildup of oxides on the electrode. Copper controls the release rate of the silver from the electrode. The small amount of silver introduced into the patient's bloodstream, and the extremely low levels of current, are both highly effective and physiologically safe. Silver News - June / July 2001 >Please do not waste peoples time with promotional >material from con artists or lunatics. > >JL That would be great ... the Con artists and lunatics from quackwatch fill Usenet with their Quackery ... let's get rid of them! >>Colloidal silver does NOT have the same anti-microbial >properties. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >testing. >need me to post it? I sure do, because I don't believe you. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >>Colloidal silver does NOT have the same anti-microbial > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > testing. > need me to post it? By all means, post it, please. That'll be the news of the century, a cure for AIDS! I wouldn't want to miss that for the world. I think I just posted it. The mainstream press for whatever reason will not print this until bloggers force them to. Here's another. Silver Protein Review: Reduction in HIV Viral Load in Mild Silver Protein Case Studies by Kimberly Pryor A recent article appearing in the Clinical Practice of Alternative Medicine lends further merit to the use of silver as an anti-viral agent. The article titled "Reduction of Viral Load in AIDS Patients with Intravenous Mild Silver Protein--Three Case Reports" is an intriguing glimpse into the potential applications of an important, but often overlooked metal.... http://www.vrp.com/art/518.asp Very interesting... thanks for posting this. >I think I just posted it. >The mainstream press for whatever reason will not print this until [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >http://www.vrp.com/art/518.asp >I think I just posted it. >The mainstream press for whatever reason will not print this until [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >http://www.vrp.com/art/518.asp One hardly knows where to begin. The paper isn't in PubMed, because "Clinical Practice of Alternative Medicine" isn't a journal they follow. I presume that's because it's not peer-reviewed. The study itself, assuming the web page is reporting it accurately, is not reassuring. For one of the patients, they didn't have viral load numbers, and one wonders if he were even definitely HIV+. For one of their dramatic improvement patients, they had no follow-up, so they don't know whether he turned around and got sick again a short time later. It's a cinch he still had HIV in his body. They claimed some sort of Herxheimer-like reaction, but I couldn't find any evidence that Herxheimer reactions come from viral die-off. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >One hardly knows where to begin. The paper isn't in PubMed, because >"Clinical Practice of Alternative Medicine" isn't a journal they >follow. I presume that's because it's not peer-reviewed. Bit of a freakout, heh? As we speak (er type) hospitals are starting to explore the possibilities with silver. Just checked Pubmed and came up with this "Prevention of nosocomial infection in the ICU setting by 2). use of a silver-alloy, hydro gel-coated latex urinary catheter instead of uncoated catheters." The money saved (not to mention lives) is staggering. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=15181413&query_hl=1 >The study itself, assuming the web page is reporting it accurately, is >not reassuring. For one of the patients, they didn't have viral load [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >They claimed some sort of Herxheimer-like reaction, but I couldn't >find any evidence that Herxheimer reactions come from viral die-off. The important thing imo is that the study supports theory. some more links for ya In-vitro test http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidalsilverstudytexas.html University of Northern Iowa Protocal. Used as early as the 1800s and is currently considered a drug supplement http://www.bio.uni.edu/cei/lyme.html in-vivo studies against HIV http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/4b01.html in-vivo catheters http://www.edwards.com/MedicalProfessionals/FindProducts/Links/PDFs/1124_Oligon.pdf On the issue of safetyWHOs Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality, which states that: "it is not necessary to recommend any health-based guidelines for silver as it is not hazardous to human health"read LETTER: COLLOIDAL SILVER IN PERSPECTIVE http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/silver2.html Database of other articles. http://www.silvermedicine.org/ > >One hardly knows where to begin. The paper isn't in PubMed, because > >"Clinical Practice of Alternative Medicine" isn't a journal they [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > The important thing imo is that the study supports theory. Did this person just post, without refuting any of David's points about the bad design of the study, and thus the unreliability of any conclusions drawn from it, that the important thing is that it backed up a theory?! Says it all. Cathy <snip> >Did this person just post, without refuting any of David's points Sounds like he wanted pubmed so I gave him pubmed. Do you understand what the pubmed article is saying? >>One hardly knows where to begin. The paper isn't in PubMed, because >>"Clinical Practice of Alternative Medicine" isn't a journal they >>follow. I presume that's because it's not peer-reviewed. > >Bit of a freakout, heh? No, merely irritation with hype. >As we speak (er type) hospitals are starting to explore the >possibilities with silver. Just checked Pubmed and came up with this >"Prevention of nosocomial infection in the ICU setting by 2). use of a >silver-alloy, hydro gel-coated latex urinary catheter instead of >uncoated catheters." Silver coating of catheters and the like is old news. I'm not denying that it works, either. But that's very, very different from a claim that dumping silver into the bloodstream cures AIDS. >>The study itself, assuming the web page is reporting it accurately, is >>not reassuring. For one of the patients, they didn't have viral load [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >The important thing imo is that the study supports theory. No, the important thing in your opinion is that it makes silver look good. I'm absolutely fascinated with the idea that you have a financial interest in this -- particularly since you come out of nowhere and start cheerleading for silver on m.h.a. >On the issue of safetyWHO’s Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality, >which states that: "it is not necessary to recommend any health-based >guidelines for silver as it is not hazardous to human health"read >LETTER: COLLOIDAL SILVER IN PERSPECTIVE >http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/silver2.html I read it. Hardly an accurate summation; you make it sound as if there were no upper limit to allowable silver concentrations, whereas the approved limits are in the 80-100 ppb range. Yes, parts per BILLION. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin David Wright a écrit dans le message ... >>I think I just posted it. >>The mainstream press for whatever reason will not print this until [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >"Clinical Practice of Alternative Medicine" isn't a journal they >follow. I presume that's because it's not peer-reviewed. <SNIP> > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net Peer-reviewed is a misunderstood term. When a paper is published in a professional journal it is published FOR peer reviewed. Papers published in "Clinical Practice of Alternative Medicine" may be published FOR peer review. It is just that the peers in this case likely are con-artists and crazies!! JL Samuel Etris, Senior Technical Consultant to The Silver Institute Corona A, Raimondi F. Service of Anesthesia and Resuscitation, Luigi Sacco Hospital, Milan, Italy. corona.alberto@libero.it I suppose these guys are conartist and/or crazy. >>Colloidal silver does NOT have the same anti-microbial >properties. > >in-vitro it does. This is beyond dispute and I wont waste my time on >it. So does bleach. Do you drink or inject it? >>Your other statements about the use of silver compounds for HIV and >cancer and for internal use for serious infections is just nonsense. > >Not my statements, but silver against HIV has been proven in in-vivo >testing. >need me to post it? Here's a question. If colloidal silver is so good, why doesn't the silver coming off tooth fillings counteract the mercury?  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >So does bleach. Do you drink or inject it? I irrigate my sinuses with silver. I would not with bleach. >Here's a question. If colloidal silver is so good, why doesn't the >silver coming off tooth fillings counteract the mercury? Silver cannot kill another metal afaik. >>>Colloidal silver does NOT have the same anti-microbial >>properties. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Here's a question. If colloidal silver is so good, why doesn't the >silver coming off tooth fillings counteract the mercury? That's an excellent point. People with silver amalgam fillings should never get mouth infections of any kind. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >All news for July 2005 >All news for June 2005 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >harmless to human cells and are increasingly being used in wound care >due to their ability to facilitate the healing of tissue. This bit of whimsy really bugs me -- the idea that silver is somehow magically targetting only bacteria, but is completely harmless to human tissue. Well, it's not. Some microorganisms may be more sensitive to silver than is human tissue, but silver cytotoxicity is well-known in human tissue, as even a cursory pass through PubMed will show. <remainder of hype advertising deleted> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >Well, it's not. Some microorganisms may be more sensitive to silver >than is human tissue, but silver cytotoxicity is well-known in human >tissue, as even a cursory pass through PubMed will show. Wow! so the COUNTRIES that are using silver to purify the drinking water are making the entire population toxic! DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT? "dali" <borgersbrent@yahoo.com> wrote in > >Well, it's not. Some microorganisms may be more sensitive to silver >>than is human tissue, but silver cytotoxicity is well-known in human [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > water are making the entire population toxic! > DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT? Just like the ones that use chlorine. Do think that chlorine isn't extremely toxic? Think... moo dali a écrit dans le message <1123776165.445662.311700@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... SNIP> >Wow! so the COUNTRIES that are using silver to purify the drinking >water are making the entire population toxic! >DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT? What countries would those be???? JL >What countries would those be???? Colloidal Silver and hydrogen peroxide, especially in combination, exhibit significant microbial inactivation at concentrations that pose no health risk according to the EEC, WHO and US EPA. Several countries, including Switzerland, Germany and Australia have given approval for the use of colloidal silver and hydrogen peroxide as a drinking water disinfectant. The EEC and Israel Ministry of Health have specifically approved the use of colloidal silver as a drinking water disinfectant at an MCL (Maximum Contaminant Level) of 80ppb (Pedahzur, R et al, Water Sci Technol, 31(5-6), 1995). Widespread use might result in potential for uptake of silver ions by humans, but research suggests that: "risks are minimal under all likely scenarios" (Final Report: Evaluation of the Efficacy of a New Secondary Disinfectant Formulation Using Hydrogen Peroxide and Silver. US EPA NNCER, Dec 3, 2001). The USA EPA has declared that "silver does not cause adverse health effects" and set a MCL at 100 ppb for all drinking water. Recently an EU Drinking Water Standard proposed removing any upper limit for silver in drinking water, following the WHO's Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality, which states that: "it is not necessary to recommend any health-based guidelines for silver as it is not hazardous to human health" ("Silver Water Purification Systems Offer Reliable Alternative to Chlorine", The Silver Institute, Wash, March 25, 1997). >>Well, it's not. Some microorganisms may be more sensitive to silver >>than is human tissue, but silver cytotoxicity is well-known in human [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >water are making the entire population toxic! >DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT? First I'd have to hear about all the countries that are using silver to purify their water. I don't know of any countries where this is the only, or even the major, method of purification. Second, you'll have to establish that there's some sort of connection between water purification with silver and curing AIDS with silver. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >Second, you'll have to establish that there's some sort of connection >between water purification with silver and curing AIDS with silver. Did I ever state silver can cure AIDS? Being HIV positive and AIDS are not the same thing. The countries have been posted. I have some official gov't web links somewhere which back it up. dali a écrit dans le message >The countries have been posted. I have some official gov't web links >somewhere which back it up. No EU country uses silver colloid or H2O2 for water purification.. WHO, UNESCO ect recommend the use of chlorine beach for emergency water purification and the standard 5% solution for routine well purifications. Now which countries uses colloidal silver or H2O2 for water purification??? Making water safe!!http://www.lifewater.ca/ndexman.htm Boiling: Vigorously boil water for 5 minutes. The flat taste of boiled water can be improved by pouring it back and forth from one CLEAN container to another. Also, a small pinch of salt can be added to each quart of water boiled; Chlorination: Add 5-10 drops chlorine bleach per quart (litre)of clear water, thoroughly mixing it and allowed to stand for at least 30 minutes. The treated water should have a slight chlorine odour; if it doesn't, the dosage should be repeated and the water should stand for 15 minutes more. If this treated water has too strong a chlorine taste, it can be made more drinkable by allowing the water to stand exposed to the air (should be a light cover over the top to prevent insects, etc. from falling into the water). Pouring it back and forth between two CLEAN containers will also help. As a last resort, if the above options are not available, consider the following: UV Exposure: Make safe drinking water by putting clear water in a clean container and expose it to bright, hot sun for at least 8 hours; pH Adjustment: Add lime to bring the pH above 10 for several hours. Expose the water to atmosphere for several hours to allow natural CO2 reactions to bring the pH back down to at least 8.5 prior to drinking. Please note that this should only be used as a last resort since the validity of this method to make safe drinking water has not been scientifically investigated. JL >No EU country uses silver colloid or H2O2 for water purification.. WHO, >UNESCO ect recommend the use Regulation of colloidal silver and related products Summary In December 2002, an amendment was made to the Therapeutic Goods (Excluded Goods) Order such that products containing substances like colloidal silver, which make therapeutic claims, are no longer goods excluded from therapeutic goods legislation and must meet the requirements of other therapeutic goods. Colloidal silver products that are used in the purification or treatment of drinking water, and which do not make therapeutic claims, will remain excluded from therapeutic goods legislation. http://www.tga.gov.au/docs/html/csilver.htm dali a écrit dans le message <1123855178.813403.135870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>... >>No EU country uses silver colloid or H2O2 for water purification.. WHO, >>UNESCO ect recommend the use [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >http://www.tga.gov.au/docs/html/csilver.htm Australian does not use collodial silver for water purification. All that section you cite means is that while claims for medical use of colloidal silver will be regulated under" therapeutic goods legislation" claims of use of colloidal silver to purify water will not be regulated under that legislation. It does not mean that the Australian government accepts the use of collodial silver for water purification. Devices that make claims for water purifcation by silver colloids will fall within regulations dealing with FRAUD. JL THE COLLOIDAL SILVER BAN SCAM Stuart Thomson ~ Director: Gaia Research Institute Modern micro electrolytic oligodynamic* colloidal silver (*active in small quantity) is naturally microbicidal by virtue of disabling only the metabolic enzymes of anaerobic unicellular micro-organisms, yet is uniquely harmless to mammals. (1) The concentration necessary to sterilise drinking water (or by extension, body fluids) contaminated with pathogens is 40-200 gamma / .04-.2 ppm (1 ppm=1000 gamma) (2). Soil depletion, food processing and water flocculation and or filtration mitigate against receiving adequate amounts of this protective element, which until recently, was supplemented by food related silverware. Following a lead by the US FDA in banning all products containing colloidal silver (3) associated with health information, the South African Department of Health falsely misrepresents the facts and claims that "all over-the-counter products containing colloidal silver or silver salts are not recognised as safe and effective" and that "indiscriminate use of colloidal silver has resulted in cases of argyria, a permanent discoloration of the skin and deep tissues" as well as "neurological deficit, and renal and metal fume? damage". (4) It is noteworthy that prestigious journals such as the Lancet, the British Medical Journal and the Journal of the American Medical Association have for decades attested to the safety and efficacy of traditionally far more crude "grind method" colloidal silver, commonly several thousand % more concentrated (5) yet equally less effective than the micro electro-colloidal silver used today. (1) The lie behind this suppressive move against the public's access to this simple health protective substance is revealed by the fact that there is not a single case of argyria in modern medical history as a result of electro-colloidal silver. All reference to this and other toxicities, on careful checking, leads directly to the "abuse" of orthodoxy sanctioned old medical silver products, usually not even colloidal silver (and if so, by the grind method), and mostly in the form of medicinal nose drops, capsules, pills, gum, pulverisers etc, or in cases of severe toxicity, intravenous injections in gram-plus quantities in animal experiments. (6) The lie is perpetuated by the FDA and the likes of Messrs Fung, Bowen and Barrett, and the world's only contemporary argyria victim, Rosemary Jacobs, who was poisoned more than forty years ago by "silver nose drops of unknown composition". (5) Fortunately, the Gaia protocol colloidal silver..., incorporating the immuno-essential elements, Cu, Zn & Mn, dynamically synergised with hydrogen peroxide, is still legally accessible locally (7) via an inexpensive strategic water purification and fortification treatment unit, resulting from a far-sighted leading edge local development paralleling advanced international water research and treatment trends. Both silver and also hydrogen peroxide (especially in combination) exhibit significant microbial inactivation at concentrations that do not pose any health risk according to the EEC, WHO and US EPA. (8) The EEC, WHO and Israel Ministry of Health have specifically approved the use of colloidal silver as a drinking water disinfectant at an MCL (Maximum Contaminant Level )of 80 ppb. (8) Switzerland, Germany and Australia have given approval for the use of a commercial formulation of colloidal silver and hydrogen peroxide as a drinking water disinfectant. (8) The US EPA has declared that silver does not cause adverse health effects and has set a Maximum Level at 100 ppb for all drinking water. (9) A new European Union Drinking Water Standard in draft form has removed any upper limit for silver in drinking water following the WHO's Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality which states that "it is not necessary to recommend any health-based guidelines for silver as it is not hazardous to human health". (9) One teaspoon (5ml) of 1 ppm colloidal silver in a glass (250ml) of water equals 20 ppb. Since the guidelines relate to lifetime exposure for even the most susceptible sub-groups, calculated at 2 litres a day, one could safely consume 8 glasses each with 5 teaspoons (25 ml) of 1 ppm of colloidal silver every day. The most commonly used quantity is a mere teaspoon in a glass of water 3 or 4 times daily. Clearly the FDA / MCC itself is more hazardous to health! http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/silver.html "dali" <borgersbrent@yahoo.com> wrote in > Fortunately, the Gaia protocol colloidal silver..., incorporating the > immuno-essential elements, Cu, Zn & Mn, dynamically synergised with > hydrogen peroxide, Posting hallucinatory crap like this makes you look like a moron. Learn a bit of physics and chemistry and try again. moo >Posting hallucinatory crap like this makes you look like a moron. Learn a >bit of physics and chemistry and try again. blah name calling the best you can do. How about this, learn logic 101 so so we can debate above the third grade level. "dali" <borgersbrent@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >Posting hallucinatory crap like this makes you look like a moron. Learn > >a >>bit of physics and chemistry and try again. > > blah name calling the best you can do. How about this, learn logic 101 > so so we can debate above the third grade level. My command of logic is just fine. Show otherwise or be silent. You posted this: > Fortunately, the Gaia protocol colloidal silver..., incorporating the > immuno-essential elements, Cu, Zn & Mn, ** dynamically synergised with > hydrogen peroxide** - my emphasis It's utter gobbledygook. The entire article is a piece of pseudo-technobabble. If you don't see this, it's because you don't understand the relevant physics or chemistry. And nobody's saying that you're expected to. But don't get cranky when people who do understand it call you on it. Learn and laugh. And don't take it personally. This is Usenet. le moo >>Second, you'll have to establish that there's some sort of connection >>between water purification with silver and curing AIDS with silver. > >Did I ever state silver can cure AIDS? No, you just strongly implied it. >Being HIV positive and AIDS are not the same thing. > >The countries have been posted. I have some official gov't web links >somewhere which back it up. No, they don't. Saying something is approved is very different from saying it's being actively used. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin |
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