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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / August 2005Natural M.D.s
Topic: Natural (Naturopathic) M.D.s I saw a Yellow Pages Physician ad for a naturopathic medical doctor. The ad said: Naturopathic Medical Doctor Dr. John Doe, N.M.D. The initials after the name were N.M.D. not M.D. Which medical schools offer N.M.D. degrees? George Lagergren wrote: > Topic: Natural (Naturopathic) M.D.s > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Which medical schools offer N.M.D. degrees? NONE it is a degree from scam schools  Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook > George Lagergren wrote: > > Topic: Natural (Naturopathic) M.D.s [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > it is a degree from scam schools Funny - scam schools, as if allopathic doctors aren't scamming us. Hilarious. TC > Topic: Natural (Naturopathic) M.D.s > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Which medical schools offer N.M.D. degrees? Another Troll question? It stands for the "Doctor of Naturopathy" or the "Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine" degree. It means that the person is practicing Naturopathy either in the state of Arizonia or in Canada. > > Topic: Natural (Naturopathic) M.D.s > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Naturopathic Medicine" degree. It means that the person is practicing > Naturopathy either in the state of Arizonia or in Canada. What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they get their degrees? > > > Dr. John Doe, N.M.D. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they > get their degrees? Ah! The classic negative attitude of a scientist in action. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! You are just plain negative and nasty. :) You have the personality of a constipated warthog. As you very well know, "Naturopathic physicians hold medical degrees. These practitioners are often licensed (twelve states, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and five Canadian provinces offer licenses) and are sometimes registered (as in Kansas)." http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Naturopathy Schools would include Clayton College of Natural Health (http://www.ccnh.edu/), National College of Naturopathic Medicine (http://www.ncnm.edu/), Bastyr University (http://www.bastyr.edu/), Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine (http://www.scnm.edu/), Boucher Institute Of Naturopathic Medicine (http://www.binm.org/), Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine (http://www.ccnm.edu/), and College of Naturopathic Medicine (http://www.bridgeport.edu/naturopathy) . And, unlike natural hygiene you can actually eary a degree in naturpathic medicine from an accredited school of naturopathic medicine, while all natural hygiene degrees have to be bought from a diploma mill. These are facts rather than just my opinion, but I am right as usual any how. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! You are an idiot! More bullshit from the scam artists >>>> Dr. John Doe, N.M.D. >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > registered (as in Kansas)." > http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Naturopathy As I very well know, "Naturopathic physician do NOT hold medical degrees. > Schools would include Clayton College of Natural Health > (http://www.ccnh.edu/), National College of Naturopathic Medicine [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > College of Naturopathic Medicine > (http://www.bridgeport.edu/naturopathy) . Not a one which offers a medical degree, or even a degree accepted buy a regular college for transfer - ALL scam schoold > And, unlike natural hygiene you can actually eary a degree in > naturpathic medicine from an accredited school of naturopathic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > These are facts rather than just my opinion, but I am right as usual > any how. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! You are an idiot! Ha Ha Ha? you are a blithering idiot, and, if he disagrees with you - he is most probably right. Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook > More bullshit from the scam artists > >>What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > As I very well know, "Naturopathic physician do NOT hold medical degrees. Only fools, like you, argue over language. There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths, dear fool, are not physicians either, yet these institutions of higher learning are commonly, if not exclusively, referred to as medical schools. Don't the term 'schools' refer to K-12. And, shouldn't medical students be offended by saying that they are going to school rather than to college? You claim that medical students go to medical schools, when obviously they should really be going to a medical college (ex, MCV or the Medical College of Virginia). What is your problem, Dork? Just thought that you might want to know, Fool, how the King's English is spoken. Ha, .. Hah, Ha! >> More bullshit from the scam artists >> >>What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths, > dear fool, are not physicians either, . . . D.O.'s, dear fool, are most certainly physicians. They pass the same state licensing board exams as M.D.'s, and have the same rights under the licensing laws (the right to prescribe controlled substances, etc.). Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ > D.O.'s, dear fool, are most certainly physicians. They pass the same state > licensing board exams as M.D.'s, and have the same rights under the > licensing laws (the right to prescribe controlled substances, etc.). Dear Fool, The quality of medical school training goes down a linear path. Those who want to be an MD, but don't make it into one the 126 MD schools go to one of the 19 DO schools. Those who do not make it into one of these 19 schools go overseas to a foreign school with very questionable standards. However, some, if not most, people actually do enter into a DO medical school precisely because they are more interested in practicing alternative medicine then they are in being a good MD. Clearly, Dr. Mercola is one of these. He is NOT a second rate DO pretending to be a MD. Mercola is a first rate DO practicing alternative medicine as the founder of Osteopathy intended it be. It also seems reasonable to me that those more interested in practicing naturopathy want to be trained in a naturopathic medical school. The point being that the naturopathic medical school degree still has to be earned, regardless of what you happen to think of it. People who go see a Naturalpathic physician usually do NOT want to end up with a prescription for a controlled toxic substance. They most certainly do NOT want to go under a surgeon's knife, either. People go to naturopaths because they want something different. The question as to why some medical school trained naturapaths want to be designated as a NMD, rather than with the standard ND accronym is an entirely different question. Just thought that you might want to know, Fool. > > D.O.'s, dear fool, are most certainly physicians. They pass the same state > > licensing board exams as M.D.'s, and have the same rights under the [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Just thought that you might want to know, Fool. The statement that "some, if not most" graduates of an Osteopathic school in the United States attend with the aim of practicing some form of "alternative Medicine" shows utter ignorance of the realities of the healthcare establishment. As they say...."Sometimes a little bit of knowledge....)". > The statement that "some, if not most" graduates of an Osteopathic > school in the United States attend with the aim of practicing some form > of "alternative Medicine" shows utter ignorance of the realities of the > healthcare establishment. As they say...."Sometimes a little bit of > knowledge....)". Yeah, right, sure ... That is why integrative medicine exists. And, why Dr. Andrew Weil is a millionaire. Nobody is interested in paying for alternative medicine. You have my condolences. More bullshit from the scammers DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states. As top the "schools" vs "Colleges" idiocy. The preferred term is "school" a medical school may be a school within a Collegium, or stand-alone, In current US usage, the term "college" would be acceptable. I know of no English speaking countries headed by a king, so I don't speak ANY "kings English," and I am not an ignorant buffoon, like you are, so I speak US standard English. >>More bullshit from the scam artists >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Ha, .. Hah, Ha! Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook >More bullshit from the scammers > >DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar >education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states. Sorry, Ted, but at least in the US, DO's are indeed physicians and in terms of training, licensing, and professional privileges, they are equivalent to MDs. I believe that this is not the case in some other countries. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >As top the "schools" vs "Colleges" idiocy. The preferred term is >"school" a medical school may be a school within a Collegium, or [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> >> Ha, .. Hah, Ha! >>More bullshit from the scammers >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I believe that this is not the case in some other countries. We are in general agreement here. The question if the term "physician" is technically correct isn't really relevant with regard to most US DOs. > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >>> >>>Ha, .. Hah, Ha! Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook >>More bullshit from the scammers >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I believe that this is not the case in some other countries. I Australia the term "Osteopath" means "even quackier than Chiropractor". SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message <snip garbage> news:74ete114362je89vtvuesmjbputi4gd82f@4ax.com... >>>More bullshit from the scammers >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >>I believe that this is not the case in some other countries. > Peter Bowditch > I am not an ignorant buffoon, like you > are ... Oh? You are writing on this thread, are you not? I rest my case. :) Just my opinion, but I am right as usual. > More bullshit from the scammers > > DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar > education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states. COMMENT: In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians. SBH > > More bullshit from the scammers > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that > matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians. So? It still does not change the fact that DO's, or Osteopaths, are practicing alternative medicine by definition. :) Just thought that you might want to know. > > > More bullshit from the scammers > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Just thought that you might want to know. I don't know of any DO's that practice "alternative medicine". It is conventional medicine by any definition. > > COMMENT: > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Just thought that you might want to know. COMMENT: Just thought I'd like to know about your private definitions? No, sorry, I'm not interested. Neither MD's nor DO's think that they, or each other, are practicing "alterative medicine". On the contrary, alternative medicine is *defined* mainly by things MD's and DO's jointly think are not worth recommending. This is not to say either profession is pure. Both MDs' and DOs do some things that aren't backed by first quality scientific evidence. Some DO's do massage adjustments (craniosacrotherapy) which look pretty much like chiropractic therapy to me. People feel better after them, just as with massage, but double blind placebo controlled experiments are hard to do. Double blind placebo controlled experiments are just as hard to do with exercise, which both DOs and MDs recommended on the basis of second-quality evidence. I think it's just possible that due to the many confounders in exercise, that if we could do a placebo controlled doubled blinded study, we might be as shocked by the results as we were with HRT or vitamin E. Look at the hit that accupuncture just took. You never know. SBH > > > In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships > > > as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It still does not change the fact that DO's, or Osteopaths, are > > practicing alternative medicine by definition. :) > Just thought I'd like to know about your private definitions? No, > sorry, I'm not interested. You are now on the record for publicly endorsing alternative medicine. :) Dr. Joseph Mercola is one of those fine Quacks that you just endorsed. http://www.mercola.com Just thought that you might want to know. :) "Dr. Joseph Mercola is one of those fine Quacks that you just endorsed." A quack is defined by the ideas and methods used not the degree. The example you give is a quack by his support of same which are not supported in science and valid research. A md can thus be a quack, as are almost all nmd's for mostly using same, for example homeopathy and diagnosis of disease by testing muscle reactions. > "Dr. Joseph Mercola is one of those fine Quacks that you just endorsed." > > A quack is defined by the ideas and methods used not the degree. The > example you give is a quack by his support of same which are not > supported in science and valid research. I am sure that Mercola would say that his health claims are backed by science. He does after all have a health blog. > "Dr. Joseph Mercola is one of those fine Quacks that you just endorsed." > > A quack is defined by the ideas and methods used not the degree. The > example you give is a quack by his support of same which are not > supported in science and valid research. I am sure that Mercola would say that his health claims are backed by science. He does after all have a health blog. > > > > In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships > > > > as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Dr. Joseph Mercola is one of those fine Quacks that you just endorsed. > http://www.mercola.com COMMENT: I'm on the record for using the word "jointly". DO you know what it means? There are individual nuts with any degree you can mention. SBH > COMMENT: > > I'm on the record for using the word "jointly". DO you know what it > means? I wont have any qualms about getting maximum mileage from what you wrote on this thread in future public correspondence. None whatsoever. :) Just thought that you might want to know. >> > COMMENT: >> > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > with HRT or vitamin E. Look at the hit that accupuncture just took. > You never know. Damn physicalist. I bet you don't believe in astrology, dowsing, auras, or Feng Shui either. GWC >On the contrary, alternative medicine is >> *defined* mainly by things MD's and DO's jointly think are not worth >> recommending. I'm confused ... who is here quoting whom? Source please. Thanks. >>On the contrary, alternative medicine is >>> *defined* mainly by things MD's and DO's jointly think are not worth [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Source please. The source of all suffering is craving, aversion, and delusion. This is the 2nd Noble Truth. The source of the 2nd NT, the 3 other NTs, and the 8-Fold way is the Buddha. This is all ye know on Usenet, and all ye need to know. I hope this helps. George W. Cherry, Stream Entrant I know, that DOs didn't used to be recognized in some states - I can't say if it is still the case >>More bullshit from the scammers >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > SBH Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook > More bullshit from the scammers > > DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar > education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states. COMMENT: In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships as M.D.'s, they make it through the same Spring Training, and if not dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians. SBH D.O.s have full practice rights for the practice of medicine and surgery (unlimited), in all 50 states. This is easily established by a visit to the AMA website,or the website for the AOA (which incluides licensure requirements for each of the 50 states. What grade school kids are posting here anyway.) <snip > There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths, > dear fool, are not physicians either... <snip> (Slaps forehead) Yes, D.O.s most certainly are physicians. They train as Ob-Gyns, trauma surgeons, cardiologists...whatever field they choose. They get largely the same basic medical education in med school, and they get exactly the same specialty training in residency and fellowship; they train in the same programs, alongside M.D.s, after all. Mark, MD >>More bullshit from the scam artists >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > learning are commonly, if not exclusively, referred to as medical > schools. D. O.'s are licensed as MDs, train postgraduate as MDs, and can be board certified by any of the boards that board certify MDs. One of my best friends has a D.O. and is board certified. Don't the term 'schools' refer to K-12. And, shouldn't > medical students be offended by saying that they are going to school > rather than to college? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ha, .. Hah, Ha! > > > > Dr. John Doe, N.M.D. > > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > These are facts rather than just my opinion, but I am right as usual > any how. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! You are an idiot! You are just prejudice in favor of established medical schools. They are all corrupted by money interests. There are many cures and treatments that naturopathic medical doctors don't want you to know about because it would cut into their treatment profits. One of these treatments that has been known and proven for many hundreds of years is the rubbing of a freshly killed chicken around the back and front of a patient presenting with abdominal pain of unknown origin. Donations are accepted only if it works. 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