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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / July 2005Vashti Has An Obsession to Post Using Jan's Name
Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups > Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups Jan, you honestly are a nasty old hag. Please quit turning MHA into your personal crusade-ground for hunting down imaginary enemies and "liars"...it only makes you look more and more pathetic with every passing day. Mark, MD >> Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups > >Jan, you honestly are a nasty old hag. Please quit turning MHA into >your personal crusade-ground for hunting down imaginary enemies and >"liars"...it only makes you look more and more pathetic with every >passing day. Look at it this way. It keeps her off the street. It is difficult for her to get into too much trouble here although she seems to be trying her best to do so. Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan calls "gang") are confronting her about her lies, hypocrisy and bigotry. It won't be long before the denial is broken through and Jan realizes that she does need help to deal with her personal demons. Maybe Jan's husband can convince Jan to get the help she so desperately needs. Aloha, Rich PS: Cue Jan to start a new thread attacking me. >Mark, MD ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance <snip> > Aloha, > > Rich > > PS: Cue Jan to start a new thread attacking me. Or me, or anyone else on her list of enemies. Mark, MD P.S. Nixon ended up talking to the walls, didn't he? ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >P.S. Nixon ended up talking to the walls, didn't he? What makes you think that Jan is not talking to the walls when she is not talking to us?? I sure feel sorry for James. Imagine what he must be going through. We can choose to read or not read her posts. James is a captive audience. Aloha, Rich PS: Cue Jan Drew to comment on your responding to me. Just watch. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > <snip> Can you tell us why you snipped?? >> Aloha, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mark, MD <snip> Most certainly Richard H Jacobson never attacks me, does he Mark MD??? He isn't a liar either, is he? Now, don't forget to answer. Jan considering I have not mentioned mercury poisoning, not lied and there is no hypocrisy, there will no reason for Rich to follow this post. Unless, of course <GASP> Rich is a cyberstalker *;* The proof is in the pudding:-))))) * My primary intent is to expose her lies about mercury poisoning. If Jan Drew posts 100 times about having mercury poisoning and I only refute it say 30 times then there are 70 out of 100 that go unrefuted. An unsuspecting lurker may read her claim and not read the refutal* *My secondary intent is to discredit her by exposing her numerous lies and hypocrisy.* Aloha, Rich >>> Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >bigotry. It won't be long before the denial is broken through and Jan >realizes that she does need help to deal with her personal demons. I assume you're using "long" in that last sentence in the sense of geologic time. I sincerely doubt that Jan will change her ways or seek help within the next ten years. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin Correction: Vashti, wrote the below. >>>> Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > geologic time. I sincerely doubt that Jan will change her ways or > seek help within the next ten years. LOL! Now, after David's taking Rich to task for his harassing and replying to my every post, now he joins him. 2222 funny. Jan (considering I have not mentioned mercury poisoning, not lied and there is no hypocrisy, there will no reason for Rich to follow this post. Unless, of course <GASP> Rich is a cyberstalker *;* The proof is in the pudding:-))))) * My primary intent is to expose her lies about mercury poisoning. If Jan Drew posts 100 times about having mercury poisoning and I only refute it say 30 times then there are 70 out of 100 that go unrefuted. An unsuspecting lurker may read her claim and not read the refutal* *My secondary intent is to discredit her by exposing her numerous lies and hypocrisy.* Aloha, Rich > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always belittling > "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and > natural things that money can buy." > -- Steve Martin >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >geologic time. I sincerely doubt that Jan will change her ways or >seek help within the next ten years. Well whether she does or not is moot. Even if she did go for help she would likely not admit it in this forum. If she does go for help I will feel very sorry for the person who ends up treating her. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating > >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would likely not admit it in this forum. If she does go for help I > will feel very sorry for the person who ends up treating her. A diagnosis of mental disorder right over the Internet? Only Pharma Bloggers are this pathetic and without conscience. PeterB >> >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >> >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > PeterB Obsessed! Give them enough rope,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Rich's hypocritical character: Rich's VERY OWN WORDS! >One shouldn't diagnosis on the net. >I personally do not think it is ethical to do any form of psychotherapy >over the phone unless you have previously had a face to face relationship with a client and that person moved. I believe that it is important to have face to face contact when evaluating someone for a mental health problem or treating that person. Body language and a person's appearance may be an important part of an evaluation that you would miss if you did it by telephone unless you had video conferencing capability but even then it is a poor substitute for actually being there IMO. >I personally do not think it is ethical to do any form of psychotherapy >over the phone Are you concerned about the limitations in make a diagnosis without seeing the person in real life??? == >I prefer whenever possible NOT to make things personal. >It leads to resentment and hard feelings. Jan considering I have not mentioned mercury poisoning, not lied and there is no hypocrisy, there will no reason for Rich to follow this post. Unless, of course <GASP> Rich is a cyberstalker *;* The proof is in the pudding:-))))) * My primary intent is to expose her lies about mercury poisoning. If Jan Drew posts 100 times about having mercury poisoning and I only refute it say 30 times then there are 70 out of 100 that go unrefuted. An unsuspecting lurker may read her claim and not read the refutal* *My secondary intent is to discredit her by exposing her numerous lies and hypocrisy.* Aloha, Rich >> >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >> >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >A diagnosis of mental disorder right over the Internet? Only Pharma >Bloggers are this pathetic and without conscience. If you think she's the soul of normality, I sure hope I don't live anywhere near you. (I know I don't live anywhere near Jan, which is a source of comfort to me.) -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >>> >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >>> >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > anywhere near you. (I know I don't live anywhere near Jan, which > is a source of comfort to me.) David is a hypocrite. When you start whining about personalities,don't be surprised that it generates comments about your own. David Wright Jan > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always belittling. > "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and > natural things that money can buy." > -- Steve Martin > >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating > >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would likely not admit it in this forum. If she does go for help I > will feel very sorry for the person who ends up treating her. A diagnosis of mental disorder right over the Internet? Only Pharma Bloggers are this pathetic and without conscience. PeterB > > >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating > > >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > PeterB An example of Petey prescribing for an as yet undiagnosed mental illness. over the net. Oddly, most other people recommended that this person get his friend to see a professional: Except for the chance that l-glutamine was actually helping (it's the most ubiquitous amino acid in the human body), I wouldn't look there. First, what is his overall nutrient status and what's the possibility that his TSH (thyroid-stimulating hormone) is out of whack? Depression has more causes than you can imagine. It's possible that EPA and DLP fatty acids in cod liver oil (and the attendant vits A and D in natural food form) will safely address this and improve his cardiac health at the same time. Fish oil is very beneficial to overall health and often corrects depression. Avoid drug store brands and go to a quality health food store; if the product is rancid it won't work. Liquid form is better than pill because rancidity cannot be concealed that way. PeterB p.s. I hope you know this is one of the WORST places to seek medical advice of any kind. Look up Dr. Stoll on the web and try his web forum, to get further help with this or any other health issues for which you want a natural approach. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bee wrote: > I wonder if someone could give some recommendations on how to help a > friend who's having symptoms of depression. While he has resisted a > prescription anti-depressant, I know he believes in alternative > treatment and maybe I can get him to try if I can get some input here. > I have know him a long time and he's never been a manic personality, > but after 5 years of one personal tragedy after another, it seems that > he's having problems keeping things on an even keel and behaving > totally out of charactor. > I have read that a devastating event can sometimes begin manifestation > of depression even if there had been no prior incidence. > Symptoms: > Not being involved with his children or even as interested as he once [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Everything seems to be a burden and of little interest and a source of > aggravation > I had used 250mg of l-glutamine once upon a time with great results, > but I now find a report stating that l-glutamine may accelerate aging > of the braing and possibly bring about alzheimer's and/or Huntington's > Chorea. (Is this only true for the mega-doses on an empty stomach or > any at all?) > What is usually called for in the way of alternative treatment (that > has been found to be safe) for these symptoms? > > > >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating > > > >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > An example of Petey prescribing for an as yet undiagnosed mental > illness over the net. I never told this person the friend was depressed, she told me the friend was depressed. She also said she wanted natural treatment options. I offered those options. > Oddly, most other people recommended that this > person get his friend to see a professional: That isn't what she asked for. As noted in my list of Pharma Blogging behaviours, you find it necessary to ignore a poster's stated preference for alternatives in order to push mainstream medicine. <remainder snipped for irrelevance> PeterB *P*ontificating*B*ullshitter wrote: Nothing worth quoting. > *P*ontificating*B*ullshitter wrote: > > Nothing worth quoting. I'm sure you think the term "*P*ontificating*B*ullshitter" says it all, however I think most readers have something more than a 2nd grade education. The fact you are operating at that level is just further evidence of your Pharma Blogging on behalf of industry. PeterB >>*P*ontificating*B*ullshitter wrote: >> >>Nothing worth quoting. > > I'm sure you think the term "*P*ontificating*B*ullshitter" says it all, Well...finally...you got one right. > however I think most readers have something more than a 2nd grade > education. Jealous? The fact you are operating at that level is just further > evidence of your Pharma Blogging on behalf of industry. Thanks for the proof, *P*ontificating*B*ullshitter. It does not take you long to provide the proof. You are Sooooooooooooo easy..... *P*ontificating*B*ullshitter : In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a Suspended Attorney, Respondent. Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner. 92-02731 SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT 183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747 November 9, 1992, Decided PRIOR HISTORY: [***1] Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S. Probert. DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is further, HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred. COUNSEL: Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for petitioner. JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ., concur. Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is further, Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately, the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further, Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this Court's rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further, Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law § 90, the respondent, Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as to the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4) from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and counselor-at-law. OPINIONBY: Per Curiam. OPINION: [*282] [**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29, 1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4, 1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283] against the respondent and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special Referee. [**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served upon the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The petitioner now moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992. The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the default motion. The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of professional misconduct. The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly, the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately > *P*ontificating*B*ullshitter : > > In the Matter of Mark Probert Jan, I thought you said that you would not post this unless I called YOU names. I suppose your handler told you to post it. Maybe I am wrong. However, regardless of that, you, too, are a bullshitter and clearly, *Ilena's Hyena*. >> *P*ontificating*B*ullshitter wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >education. The fact you are operating at that level is just further >evidence of your Pharma Blogging on behalf of industry. So, your contention is that the money-laden pharmaceutical companies are using their vast wealth to hire "Pharma Bloggers" with a second- grade education? That hardly seems like a sensible use of funds. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >>> *P*ontificating*B*ullshitter wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > are using their vast wealth to hire "Pharma Bloggers" with a second- > grade education? That hardly seems like a sensible use of funds. David skip right over the second grader name calling. Ho Hum > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and > natural things that money can buy." > -- Steve Martin > *P*ontificating*B*ullshitter In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a Suspended Attorney, Respondent. Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner. 92-02731 SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT 183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747 November 9, 1992, Decided PRIOR HISTORY: [***1] Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S. Probert. DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is further, HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred. COUNSEL: Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for petitioner. JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ., concur. Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is further, Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately, the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further, Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this Court's rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further, Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law § 90, the respondent, Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as to the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4) from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and counselor-at-law. OPINIONBY: Per Curiam. OPINION: [*282] [**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29, 1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4, 1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283] against the respondent and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special Referee. [**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served upon the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The petitioner now moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992. The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the default motion. The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of professional misconduct. The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly, the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately > > > > >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating > > > > >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > <remainder snipped for irrelevance> Yup. The remainder was Petey's post. Petey attempted to give 'medical' advice over the net for someone who may be seriously depressed but is undiagnosed. Almost everyone else told this person to seek help. Petey pushed fish oil: Except for the chance that l-glutamine was actually helping (it's the most ubiquitous amino acid in the human body), I wouldn't look there. First, what is his overall nutrient status and what's the possibility that his TSH (thyroid-stimulating hormone) is out of whack? Depression has more causes than you can imagine. It's possible that EPA and DLP fatty acids in cod liver oil (and the attendant vits A and D in natural food form) will safely address this and improve his cardiac health at the same time. Fish oil is very beneficial to overall health and often corrects depression. Avoid drug store brands and go to a quality health food store; if the product is rancid it won't work. Liquid form is better than pill because rancidity cannot be concealed that way. PeterB Cathy > > > > > >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating > > > > > >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > may be seriously depressed but is undiagnosed. Almost everyone else > told this person to seek help. Petey pushed fish oil: Only a Pharma Blogger asserts that illness can't exist without a diagnosis. If true, then as long as no one sees a doctor, they are happy and well. Of course, there is a lot of truth in that statement because doctors typically prescribe drugs which do nothing to correct underlying illness. Again, the poster asked for natural treatment options for depression, and that's what I provided. I'm perfectly happy that you repost my earlier comments because they are completely appropriate. You silly Pharma Blogger you. > Except for the chance that l-glutamine was actually helping (it's the > most ubiquitous amino acid in the human body), I wouldn't look there. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > is better than pill because rancidity cannot be concealed that way. > > > > > > >>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating > > > > > > >>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > I never told this person the friend was depressed, she told me the > > > friend was depressed. No. She said he had symtoms of depression. > She also said she wanted natural treatment > > > options. I offered those options. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Only a Pharma Blogger asserts that illness can't exist without a > diagnosis. O pitiful fool. If this man's symptoms were as reported, he needed help, not a recommendation for fish oil. > If true, then as long as no one sees a doctor, they are > happy and well. Well, precisely. This person needed a doctor. > Of course, there is a lot of truth in that statement > because doctors typically prescribe drugs which do nothing to correct > underlying illness. LOL > Again, the poster asked for natural treatment > options for depression, and that's what I provided. I'm perfectly > happy that you repost my earlier comments because they are completely > appropriate. You silly Pharma Blogger you. Peter read a list of symptoms which indicate depression on usenet, and then essentially diagnosed depression, by prescribing fish oil to someone who should have been seeking professional help. As everone else advised. Cathy <snip> >> > > > > > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:25:31 GMT, wright@l1000.prodigy.net >> > > > > > (David [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >> happy that you repost my earlier comments because they are completely >> appropriate. You silly Pharma Blogger you. <snip> > Cathy > > <snip> <snip> <snip> <snip> <snip? >> > > A diagnosis of mental disorder right over the Internet? Only Pharma >> > > Bloggers are this pathetic and without conscience. >> > > >> > > PeterB >> I never told this person the friend was depressed, she told me the >> friend was depressed. She also said she wanted natural treatment [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> <remainder snipped for irrelevance> > Cathy <snip> <snip what liar Rich,@, wrote:> <snip what belittler David wrote>. >> A diagnosis of mental disorder right over the Internet? Only Pharma >> Bloggers are this pathetic and without conscience. >> >> PeterB >>>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >>>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >would likely not admit it in this forum. If she does go for help I >will feel very sorry for the person who ends up treating her. Jan's immeasurable self-righteousness more or less guarantees that she would never talk to a mental health practitioner unless she were under a court order to do so. And even then, she'd just ignore said practitioner. Net result: zero. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin >>>>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >>>>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > a court order to do so. And even then, she'd just ignore said > practitioner. Net result: zero. Jan is a sociopath who cannot discern between self-righteousness and righteousness.  Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ <snip> This thread is not about Jan > --Rich JohnDoe Jul 28, 2:11 am (looks like I missed a few posts here) Rich.@. wrote: --snip-- > Maybe Jan's husband can convince Jan to get the help she so desperately > needs. She's got a husband? You must be kidding. No, John, he is not kidding, although you are trying to belittle, I've overlook that. I have the most wonderful husband is the whole wide world. Right after he retired, he spent the next two years taking me from doctor to doctor, not knowing if I was going to live. He did everything, all the housework, cooking of meals, the whole nine yards. He took loving care of me. There is a reason for that, that you would not know. > Aloha, > Rich > PS: Cue Jan to start a new thread attacking me. Uh huh. As if Rich wasn't attacking me. You are quite a group. May God have mercy on your souls. Jan >>>>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >>>>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jan's immeasurable self-righteousness Is another lie. more or less guarantees that she > would never talk to a mental health practitioner unless she were under > a court order to do so. And even then, she'd just ignore said > practitioner. Net result: zero. The lies are rampant. As are the diagnoses. Rich is a hypocrite. So is David. He takes Rich to task. for his obsession, then he joins in. Pathetic. One shouldn't diagnosis on the net. >I personally do not think it is ethical to do any form of psychotherapy >over the phone unless you have previously had a face to face relationship with a client and that person moved. I believe that it is important to have face to face contact when evaluating someone for a mental health problem or treating that person. Body language and a person's appearance may be an important part of an evaluation that you would miss if you did it by telephone unless you had video conferencing capability but even then it is a poor substitute for actually being there IMO. >I personally do not think it is ethical to do any form of psychotherapy >over the phone Are you concerned about the limitations in make a diagnosis without seeing the person in real life??? == >I prefer whenever possible NOT to make things personal. >It leads to resentment and hard feelings. Jan > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always belittling > "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and > natural things that money can buy." > -- Steve Martin >>>>>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >>>>>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Is another lie. Did Jan Drew measure her self righteousness?? >more or less guarantees that she >> would never talk to a mental health practitioner unless she were under >> a court order to do so. And even then, she'd just ignore said >> practitioner. Net result: zero. > >The lies are rampant. From Jan Drew's keyboard. >As are the diagnoses. It was suggested that Jan get help for her mental problem. No diagnosis there. I suggest that Jan go to a competent mental health professional for complete evaluation and treatment. Of course it is just a suggestion which likely will be rejected. Sad that. >Rich is a hypocrite. PKB >So is David. PKB >He takes Rich to task. for his obsession, then he joins in. >Pathetic. Yes, Jan is. >One shouldn't diagnosis on the net. Correct. That is why Jan Drew should seek out a qualified mental health professional for a diagnosis and treatment. One should not trust any diagnosis given over the internet. Of course it is perfectly permissible for someone to give their opinion of what may be a diagnosis as long as a caveat is given that the person should be checked out by a qualified professional. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>>>>Do you notice how Jan's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating >>>>>>over the last few weeks since several members of this group (who Jan [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Did Jan Drew measure her self righteousness?? In what units is it measured? Rich, you're onto something here. As far as I know, there are no SI units for measuring self-righteousness. However, we should introduce one. I move that we call it the "Drew". One "Drew" is equal to the amount of self-righteousness generated by Jan Drew in full "Liar!" mode, when she's railing at something that's absolutely true. Most people would be measured in centidrews or less. Maybe even millidrews. >It was suggested that Jan get help for her mental problem. No >diagnosis there. I suggest that Jan go to a competent mental health >professional for complete evaluation and treatment. Of course it is >just a suggestion which likely will be rejected. Sad that. But predictable. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin --snip-- > Maybe Jan's husband can convince Jan to get the help she so > desperately needs. She's got a husband? You must be kidding. > Aloha, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Best defense to logic is ignorance Vashti Has An Obsession to Post Using Jan's Name >> Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups <snip> > Mark, MD Jan (considering I have not mentioned mercury poisoning, not lied and there is no hypocrisy, there will no reason for Rich to follow this post. Unless, of course <GASP> Rich is a cyberstalker *;* The proof is in the pudding:-))))) * My primary intent is to expose her lies about mercury poisoning. If Jan Drew posts 100 times about having mercury poisoning and I only refute it say 30 times then there are 70 out of 100 that go unrefuted. An unsuspecting lurker may read her claim and not read the refutal* *My secondary intent is to discredit her by exposing her numerous lies and hypocrisy.* Aloha, Rich > Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups Yup. Zzzzzzzzzz Vashti >Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups In FACT it was Vastti who wrote that in the subject line Vastti has taken over posting about Jan. Her new obsession. She just proved it yet again above. Prove this first time below. Vashti Jul 27, 6:51 am Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: Vashti <vashti...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:51:38 +0200 Local: Wed,Jul 27 2005 6:51 am Subject: Jan Has taken Over in *Health* Newsgroups <snip> > Vashti Jan considering I have not mentioned mercury poisoning, not lied and there is no hypocrisy, there will no reason for Rich to follow this post. Unless, of course <GASP> Rich is a cyberstalker *;* The proof is in the pudding:-))))) * My primary intent is to expose her lies about mercury poisoning. If Jan Drew posts 100 times about having mercury poisoning and I only refute it say 30 times then there are 70 out of 100 that go unrefuted. An unsuspecting lurker may read her claim and not read the refutal* *My secondary intent is to discredit her by exposing her numerous lies and hypocrisy.* Aloha, Rich |
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