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Todd Gastaldo - 27 Jul 2005 23:29 GMT
PROLONGED SQUATTING BAD?

"Many Korean workers are exposed to... prolonged poor working postures that
are closely related to back pain or symptoms of musculoskeletal disorders.
Poor work postures that have been frequently observed...often require
prolonged squatting..."
--Prof. Min Keun Chung et al.^^^

^^^ Chung MK, Lee I, Kee D. Ergonomics. 2005 Apr 15;48(5):492-505.    PubMed
abstract
 
OPEN LETTER (archived for global access at http://groups.google.com)

Prof. Min Keun Chung
Division of Mechanical and Industrial Engineering
Pohang University of Science and Technology
Hyoja San 31
Pohang, 790-784
Korea
mkc@postech.ac.kr

Min,

Are you saying that prolonged squatting itself, say while waiting for a bus,
is "related to back pain or symptoms of musculoskeletal disorders"?

If so, could you give me your definition of prolonged squatting and the cite
for the scientific study which demonstrated this effect of prolonged
squatting?

I am concerned that Western culture is spreading prolonged use of the chair
and whole populations of chair-dwelling children are losing their easy
prolonged squatting ability by adulthood.

I am thinking that if prolonged squatting caused low back pain, children
wouldn't do it naturally.

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
todd@chiromotion.com

PS  For your possible reading interest...

> GRANDMA'S HIP OSTEOARTHRITS
>
> COULD IT HAVE BEEN PREVENTED?
>
> "Acetabular Rim Syndrome in Young Adults: A Major Cause of Osteoarthritis of
> the Hip..."
> --Warren Hammer, MS, DC, DABCO
> http://www.chiroweb.com/columnist/hammer/index.html
>
> OPEN LETTER (archived for global access at http://groups.google.com)
>
> Warren Hammer, MS, DC, DABCO
> Norwalk, Connecticut
> softissu@optonline.net
>
> Warren,
>
> In 1953, Harrison et al. called hip osteoarthritis "the
> commonest clinical site of severe osteoarthritis." [Harrison et al. J Bone
> Joint Surg 1953;35B(4):598-626]...
>
> You say of hip osteoarthritis that it "may be crucial" to recognize
> "acetabular rim syndrome" before development of hip osteoarthritis.
>
> You write:
>
> "Acetabular dysplasia causes secondary osteoarthritis in 25 percent to 50
> percent of patients by the age of 50 years...recognizing what is sometimes
> called 'acetabular rim syndrome' before the development of this disease may be
> crucial..."
> http://www.chiroweb.com/columnist/hammer/index.html
>
> You indicate that the hip motions of "flexion, adduction and internal
> rotation" will cause early acetabular rim symptoms "due to overload of the
> acetabular rim."
>
> Aren't flexion, adduction and internal rotation the hip motions of the
> fundamental human rest posture called squatting?  See the photos of two
> different flat-footed squats in Fahrni WH. Orth Clin N Am 1975;6(1):93-103.
> In one photo (p. 94), the feet and knees are adjacent.  In another (p. 95),
> the feet are shoulder-width apart and the knees are spread wide.
>
> Can it be that people in squatting cultures are somehow paradoxically AVOIDING
> "overload of the acetabular rim" by squatting daily - i.e. - by daily
> PERFORMING hip "flexion, adduction and internal rotation"?
>
> I ask because in 1974, orthopedic surgeon DR Gunn exclaimed "Don't sit:
> Squat!" in an article in which he noted "the virtually complete absence of
> primary degenerative arthritis of the hip" in Southeast Asians...
> [Gunn DR Don't sit: Squat! Clin Orth Rel Res 1974(103):104-5. Taken
> from a larger article by Gunn in the Indian Journal of Orthopaedic Surgery]
>
> In 2002, Nevitt et al. studied Chinese elderly in Beijing, China and wrote:
>
> "[H]ip OA was 80-90% less frequent than in white persons in the US."
>
> See Nevitt MC, Xu L, Zhang Y, Lui LY, Yu W, Lane NE, Qin M, Hochberg MC,
> Cummings SR, Felson DT. Very low prevalence of hip osteoarthritis among
> Chinese elderly in Beijing, China, compared with whites in the United
> States: the Beijing osteoarthritis study. Arthritis Rheum. 2002
> Jul;46(7):1773-9. PubMed abstract]
>
> Nevitt et al. concluded:
>
> "Identification of the genetic and environmental factors that underlie these
> differences may help elucidate the etiology and prevention of hip OA."
>
> What if (as suggested by Gunn and others) the etiology of much hip
> osteoarthritis is the fact that we chair-dwellers - as a consequence of our
> chair-dwelling - fail to take our hips through the full range of motion - as
> we lose a fundamental human rest posture?
>
> See Biomechanics experts to help babies?
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com /group/chiro-list/message/1693
>
> Canadian orthopedic surgeon W. Harry Fahrni (citied above) recommended
> allowing and encouraging children to maintain their innate flat-footed
> squatting ability into adulthood.
>
> Fahrni's recommendation accords with your "conservative treatment" for
> acetabular rim syndrome. ("Conservative treatment, consisting of flexibility
> stretching and strengthening of the pelvic and lower extremity muscles, should
> be attempted.")
>
> Warren, thank you for your article, "Acetabular Rim Syndrome in Young Adults:
> A Major Cause of Osteoarthritis of the Hip..."
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Todd
>
> Dr. Gastaldo
> Hillsboro, Oregon
> todd@chiromotion.com
>
> PS As an aside, Grandma's stroke risk is the same as baby granddaughter's
> stroke risk...
>
> See Baby stroke risk = elderly stroke risk (Lee et al. UCSF)
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3728
>
> I believe obstetricians are causing strokes in babies via gruesome spinal
> manipulation - closing birth canals up to 30% (semisitting and dorsal
> delivery) and KEEPING birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% (keeping women
> semisitting or dorsal) when babies get stuck - as they pull with hands,
> forceps and vacuums - sometimes pulling so hard they rip spinal nerves out of
> tiny spinal cords.
>
> It's a chiropractic emergency, Warren.
>
> I mention the chiropractic emergency for obvious reasons - but also because
> it's relevant to this post:  Obstetricians have blamed their bizarre practice
> of closing birth canals up to 30% on our culture-wide loss of the easy
> squatting ability.
>
> See British obstetrician Jason Gardosi et al.'s 1989 Lancet "randomised
> controlled trial of squatting" where nobody squatted because - ostensibly -
> sedentary Western women cannot squat well enough to deliver squatting.
>
> NOTE #1: It took some time, but Gardosi now RECOMMENDS squatting at delivery -
> this after assuring me in a personal letter in 1990 that two British trials
> had demonstrated that squatting delivery is "definitely NOT an option."
> (Emphasis Gardosi's - LOL!)
>
> NOTE #2:  Women do NOT have to squat to allow their birth canals to open the
> "extra" up to 30%.
>
> See ACOG's 2005 edition: How NOT to birth
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3606
>
> I may as well mention UNNECESSARY C-SECTIONS and UNNECESSARY EPISIOTOMIES...
>
> As noted at the just cited URL, obstetricians are slicing vaginas and abdomens
> en masse (episiotomy/c-section) - surgically/fraudulently inferring they are
> doing/have done everything to open birth canals - even as they close birth
> canals up to 30%.
>
> Of course, compelling obstetricians to allow birth canals to open maximally
> will not prevent all c-sections or episiotomies or forceps use - but
> obstetricians have no business keeping birth canals closed the "extra" up to
> 30% when babies get stuck.
>
> Similarly, Western culture has no business robbing children of their innate,
> comfortable prolonged flat-footed squatting ability - regardless whether
> squatting prevents hip osteoarthritis.
>
> Warren, feel free to reproduce this email, in its entirety, anywhere you like.
>
> This Open Letter to Warren Hammer, MS, DC, DABCO will be archived for global
> access in the Google usenet archive.
>
> Search http://groups.google.com for "Grandma's hip osteoarthritis"
Rich - 28 Jul 2005 00:26 GMT
> PROLONGED SQUATTING BAD?
>
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> USA
> todd@chiromotion.com

LOL! I recall waiting for a riverboat in Louangphrabang, Laos along with a
few Lao. One of them, a lady who must have been well into her eighties,
spent the two-hours time squatting on top of a short six-inch diameter fence
post and appearing quite comfortable. I thought at the time that that few
"farang" of any age could have tolerated that position for more than a few
minutes. I was jealous.

;o) Rich
Todd Gastaldo - 03 Aug 2005 18:49 GMT
INDIA CHIROS - EMERGENCY

Obstetricians are closing birth canals up to 30% and keeping birth canals
closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck - as they pull with
hands, forceps and vacuums - sometimes pulling so hard they rip spinal
nerves out of tiny spinal cords.

PREGNANT WOMEN:  It is EASY to allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up
to 30%.

See ACOG's 2005 edition: How NOT to birth
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3606

NOTE:  Women do NOT have to squat to allow their birth canals to open the
"extra" up to 30%...

INDIAN ASSOCIATION OF CHIROPRACTIC DOCTORS/IACD

"The [Indian Association of Chiropractic Doctors/IACD] welcomes contact from
anyone wishing to support the development of the chiropractic profession in
India."
http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/23/18/18.html

OPEN LETTER (archived for global access at http://groups.google.com)

Amit (Jimmy) Nanda, DC
President
Indian Association of Chiropractic Doctors/IACD
New Delhi, INDIA
jimmynanda@gmail.com

Jimmy,

I call it the Great Squat Robbery.

I am hoping the Indian Association of Chiropractic Doctors/IACD will support
the development of chiropractic interest in stopping The Great Squat Robbery
- stopping Western culture from robbing children of a fundamental human rest
posture.

See "Prolonged squatting bad," below.

The Great Birth Robbery (obstetricians senselessly closing birth canals) has
been blamed on the Great Squat Robbery.  See below.

The chiropractic profession is missing a golden opportunity to stop both
robberies.

Just stopping The Great Birth Robbery will save tiny lives and tiny limbs
and PREVENT more putative vertebral subluxations than DCs will ever be able
to adjust by hand.

See the chiropractic emergency below.

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
todd@chiromotion.com

Copied to:

Shailly Prasad, DC
Bangalore, INDIA
shaprasad@hotmail.com

>> PROLONGED SQUATTING BAD?
>>
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>
> ;o) Rich

> PS  For your possible reading interest...
>
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>>
>> Search http://groups.google.com for "Grandma's hip osteoarthritis"

This Open Letter to Amit (Jimmy) Nanda, DC,
President of the Indian Association of Chiropractic Doctors/IACD will be
archived for global access in the Google usenet archive.

Search http://groups.google.com for "India chiros - emergency"
 
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