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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / October 2005noni fruit
Topic: noni fruit ; promegranate fruit ; mangosteen fruit I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, Swanson Health Products?) featuring a capsule containing powder from these fruits: noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit. I got some of the noni juice concentrate. I haven't noticed anything when I take it. Maybe its doing some good. Who knows??? | Topic: noni fruit ; promegranate fruit ; mangosteen fruit | | I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, Swanson | Health Products?) featuring a capsule containing powder from these fruits: | noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit. > I got some of the noni juice concentrate. I haven't noticed anything when I > take it. Maybe its doing some good. Who knows??? Ask the guy you bought it from how his bank account is doing. > | Topic: noni fruit ; promegranate fruit ; mangosteen fruit > | > | I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, Swanson > | Health Products?) featuring a capsule containing powder from these fruits: > | noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit. Was not that much for a large bottle. About $14. No more than many other supps. And you only take a tablespoon a day. I'm inclined to believe it has some good effects and have read some good science on it. I think it has suffered some bad press because of the people trying to profit from reselling it. I got mine from Life extension foundation. Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive results. | > I got some of the noni juice concentrate. I haven't noticed anything when I | > take it. Maybe its doing some good. Who knows??? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | > | Health Products?) featuring a capsule containing powder from these fruits: | > | noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit. Keep in mind that this has a laxative effect. I tried this under the recommendation of my docs but ended up in the bathroom more than usual. UM MOM Susan > Was not that much for a large bottle. About $14. No more than many other > supps. And you only take a tablespoon a day. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > fruits: > | > | noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit. The stuff is PURE fraud, and there is NO "good science" their medical director Neil Solomon has a long history, including fraud, and turning in his license to avoid prosecution (he is under a consent agreement never to practice medicine or give medical advice) The Noni scammers are banned in a number of states for consumer fraud. We could go on > Was not that much for a large bottle. About $14. No more than many other > supps. And you only take a tablespoon a day. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > fruits: > | > | noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit.  Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook Who's "Neil Solomon" ? And there are several places to buy noni juice/powder from. It's not like just one guy is making money on this. That would be like saying the guy making money on Vitamin A is a fraud and it's sale should be banned! AND how do you explain the medical studies at pubmed??? | The stuff is PURE fraud, and there is NO "good science" their medical | director Neil Solomon has a long history, including fraud, and turning [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] | > fruits: | > | > | noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit. Neil Solomon is the medical director for the Noni frauds AND there are NO medical studies, just phony crap. Noni is NOT Vitamin "A" it is a scam product made by a group of frauds > Who's "Neil Solomon" ? > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > present" > | Glen Cook Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook > The stuff is PURE fraud, and there is NO "good science" Generally speaking, if a product is sold through any kind of marketing scheme (Noni juice, when it first became popular and maybe even now is mainly sold through pyramid marketing schemes) it usually has no value and no supporting evidence other than a TON of anecdotes. Again generally speaking, when a supplement becomes widely popular without a marketing scheme, like for example glucosamine, it usually does have some value. Noni juice may have some benefits but you are correct that some of the main brands use pyramid/network type selling schemes, the end user having to pay for layers and layers of distributors. One of the medical spokesmen is very dodgy indeed! > Noni juice may have some benefits but you are correct that some of the > main brands use pyramid/network type selling schemes, the end user > having to pay for layers and layers of distributors. > > One of the medical spokesmen is very dodgy indeed! Did you know that noni juice is laced with chamicals related to aspartame and MSG? I bet none of the sales sites mentions that. Never taken it myself but it probably depends on the manufacturer - there are lotsa different brands where I live. It was just kinda eye-popping to read the bio of this so-called doctor knowing his pyscho background! Aint going to name him as he goes to extreme lengths to keep his front up. But it does make you wonder how much truth there is in other products endorsements; it is so easy to twist the English language. > Never taken it myself but it probably depends on the manufacturer - > there are lotsa different brands where I live. It was just kinda [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in other products endorsements; it is so easy to twist the English > language. Welcome to misc.health.alternative, where they use alternative logic, alternative thinking, and alternative definitions of words (when you can pin them down and actually have them define a word.) >> Never taken it myself but it probably depends on the manufacturer - >> there are lotsa different brands where I live. It was just kinda [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > alternative thinking, and alternative definitions of words (when you can > pin them down and actually have them define a word.) Actually, Mark Probert who is a Liar, like this: Searched all groups Results 1 - 2 of 2 for group:misc.kids.health insubject:14 insubject:year insubject:old insubject:boy insubject:dies insubject:from insubject:Ritalin (0.61 seconds) >>>Never taken it myself but it probably depends on the manufacturer - >>>there are lotsa different brands where I live. It was just kinda [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > insubject:14 insubject:year insubject:old insubject:boy insubject:dies > insubject:from insubject:Ritalin (0.61 seconds) Other than the point under your wig, did you have one? BTW, thanks for an excellent example of alternative logic. >>> Never taken it myself but it probably depends on the manufacturer - >>> there are lotsa different brands where I live. It was just kinda [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >insubject:14 insubject:year insubject:old insubject:boy insubject:dies >insubject:from insubject:Ritalin (0.61 seconds) Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 10 for jan makes todd pant with desire (0.25 seconds) SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>>> Never taken it myself but it probably depends on the manufacturer - >>>> there are lotsa different brands where I live. It was just kinda [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 10 for jan makes todd pant > with desire (0.25 seconds) Who has the integrity to speak up and say Mark Probert is a liar? In addition to the above, which Peter can clearly see in a lie, his name is below. Integrity, HE HAS NOT!!!!!!! >> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message >> news:gdzXe.9184$gE7.7821@fe08.lga... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>>crossposted, with mkh as part of the crosspost are archived...in the >>>other newsgroups. That is why you Jew hating friend posted only in mkh. #1. misc. health. kids is a google news groups ANY google newsgroups CAN be archived. #2. misc. health. kids is NOT where the post WAS POSTED! YOU ARE A PATHETIC HOPELESS REPEATEDLY LIAR, WHO LIES AGAIN, WHEN CAUGHT LYING. Here is the proof ONCE AGAIN. Note mics. kids. health Newsgroups: misc.kids.health From: "Majusmaximum" <chosenbar...@yahoo.ca> - Find messages by this author Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:52:15 -0400 Local: Sat, Sep 17 2005 11:52 am Subject: Re: 14 year old boy dies from Ritalin Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Mark Probert defended the cutting of a newborn male's sex orans on grounds of Judaism being a recognized religion. All depends on your definition of "recognized religion", I guess. When someone cuts a normal, useful part off a helpless baby, in the name of religion, that to me is a cult. Very cult-ish behavior, especially the sucking of the baby's penis amongst certain sub-groups of that cult after the cutting, supposedly to staunch the bloodflow, but to my eyes it looks like 4-star pedophilia. In fact, if any man other than a jewish official babycutter were to be caught sucking a baby's penis, bleeding or not, he would be in jail so fast... Just recently a baby jew in New York DIED in the name of that cult's practice: the ritual circumciser infected the godforsaken baby boy with herpes after he sucked the penis. Two other victims of this Fischer guy contracted herpes but did not die. So, don't defend cultish, sick-making behavior on grounds of ancient religious belief. You know better and so do we all here. Throwing virgins over a cliff in ancient South America is also ancient religious practice. If jew Probert wants to do something nasty, he calls in Religion. If anybody else wants to inflict harmful behavior, hey, it's a CULT. Scientology looks like a teaparty by comparison, but trust the jew Probert to ignore every word here, or twist it around. Yer sick ritual is on its way out, buddy, like it or not. >> WOW. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Jan, the *gang*, whomever that it, unlike you, has not *shed* their > integrity. I repeat: Who here has the integrity to speak up to this BLATANT lie Mark Probert has told? Rich Shewmaker? CathyB? Peter Bowditch? Mark Thorson? Rich..@..? JohnDoe? Orac? Mark MD? Vasthi? Twittering One? HCN? Jeff? >> Noni juice may have some benefits but you are correct that some of the >> main brands use pyramid/network type selling schemes, the end user [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Did you know that noni juice is laced with chamicals related to >aspartame and MSG? I bet none of the sales sites mentions that. Indeed. That is why I eat the Noni straight from the trees in my backyard. In fact I just ate a couple for breakfast. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>Noni juice may have some benefits but you are correct that some of the >>>main brands use pyramid/network type selling schemes, the end user [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Rich Interesting. Can you tell me what the fruit tastes like? The juice has a reputation for smelling and tasting so foul it has to be mixed with something like orangejuice. Is the fresh fruit better? >>>>Noni juice may have some benefits but you are correct that some of the >>>>main brands use pyramid/network type selling schemes, the end user [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Interesting. Can you tell me what the fruit tastes like? Unfortunately it is very difficult to tell you what the fruit tastes like since the taste is very different from anything I have ever eaten. The closest thing I can compare it to is very strong aged cheese. >The juice has a >reputation for smelling and tasting so foul it has to be mixed with >something like orangejuice. Is the fresh fruit better? No, the fresh fruit is much stronger than the juice. Let me say that it is definitely an acquired taste. Most people who smell the ripe fruit don't want to come close to tasting it. Holding your nose while eating it helps a bit:-) One of my favorite ways of eating noni is to puree the fruit in a food processor and then dehydrate it into noni "leather" . I am not sure how the removal of the water helps it to taste better but it sure does. It actually has a tolerable sweet taste when dehydrated like that while retaining the cheese-like flavor. I also juice the noni and drink it. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>>>Noni juice may have some benefits but you are correct that some of the >>>>>main brands use pyramid/network type selling schemes, the end user [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > One of my favorite ways of eating noni is to puree the fruit in a > food processor and then dehydrate it into noni "leather" . Can you use it to patch surf boards? ;) I am not > sure how the removal of the water helps it to taste better but it sure > does. It actually has a tolerable sweet taste when dehydrated like > that while retaining the cheese-like flavor. > > I also juice the noni and drink it. The noni salescreeps who have stopped by have fit two categories. the "post span and diseapper" or the stick around type which are usually pretty obnoxious. Is it the MLM or the noni that makes them so? > Was not that much for a large bottle. About $14. No more than many other > supps. And you only take a tablespoon a day. Even so, you got nothing out of the money you spent. Remember, P T Barnum relied on this sales approach. > I'm inclined to believe it has some good effects and have read some good > science on it. See below I think it has suffered some bad press because of the people > trying to profit from reselling it. I got mine from Life extension > foundation. Irrelevant. They sell it. > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive results. Okey-dokey "In the dialysis population, Noni juice should be avoided because of its high potassium content." "Based on these results, the MR extracts may act as both a suppressor of bone resorption and an enhancer of bone formation in vivo and may have some favorable effects for preventing and treating the osteoporosis induced by sciatic neurectomy." Those are for people with medical problems. However, what happens when a healthy person drinks it? Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2005 Apr;17(4):445-7. Related Articles, Links Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation (Morinda citrifolia). Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W. Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University of Innsbruck, Austria. gunda.millonig@uibk.ac.at A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis. Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus, autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity, which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which has been highly praised in the tabloid press. Publication Types: Case Reports Hmmmm...hepatotoxic... No thanks. > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive results. > "In the dialysis population, Noni juice should be avoided because of its > high potassium content." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Those are for people with medical problems. Mark, thanks for this info. > However, what happens when a healthy person drinks it? "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> replied: > Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation > (Morinda citrifolia). Mark, thanks for posting this info. ====================== > Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > No thanks. Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not "noni". You think that if that's all I had read, I would have got some? Stacy. | > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive | results. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] | > | > No thanks. No such studies fuckwit > Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More > of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > | > > | > No thanks. Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook what are you 12? Someone doesn't agree with you and you have to resort to name calling? Vulgar name calling at that! Killfile you. | No such studies fuckwit | [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] | > | > | > | > No thanks. No, when a shill for the Noni juice frauds parrots their fraud on the net THEN I get abusive I HATE a.sholes like Noni juice scammers > what are you 12? Someone doesn't agree with you and you have to resort to > name calling? Vulgar name calling at that! [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > present" > | Glen Cook Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook (1) J Nat Prod. 2005 Apr;68(4):592-5. Related Articles, Links Chemical constituents of the fruits of Morinda citrifolia (Noni) and their antioxidant activity. Su BN, Pawlus AD, Jung HA, Keller WJ, McLaughlin JL, Kinghorn AD. Program for Collaborative Research in the Pharmaceutical Sciences, Department of Medicinal Chemistry and Pharmacognosy, College of Pharmacy, University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, Illinois 60612, USA. Purification of a n-BuOH-soluble partition of the MeOH extract of Morinda citrifolia (Noni) fruits led to the isolation of two new iridoid glucosides, 6alpha-hydroxyadoxoside (1) and 6beta,7beta-epoxy-8-epi-splendoside (2), as well as 17 known compounds, americanin A (3), narcissoside (4), asperuloside, asperulosidic acid, borreriagenin, citrifolinin B epimer a, citrifolinin B epimer b, cytidine, deacetylasperuloside, dehydromethoxygaertneroside, epi-dihydrocornin, d-glucose, d-mannitol, methyl alpha-d-fructofuranoside, methyl beta-d-fructofuranoside, nicotifloroside, and beta-sitosterol 3-O-beta-d-glucopyranoside. The structures of the new compounds were determined by spectroscopic data interpretation. Compound 4, borreriagenin, cytidine, deacetylasperuloside, dehydromethoxygaertneroside, epi-dihydrocornin, methyl alpha-d-fructofuranoside, and methyl beta-d-fructofuranoside were isolated for the first time from M. citrifolia. The antioxidant activity was evaluated for all isolates in terms of both DPPH and ONOO(-) bioassays. The neolignan, americanin A (3), was found to be a potent antioxidant in these assays. PMID: 15844957 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] (2) Phytother Res. 2005 Mar;19(3):231-8. Related Articles, Links Effect of Mornidae Radix extracts on experimental osteoporosis in sciatic neurectomized mice. Seo BI, Ku SK, Cha EM, Park JH, Kim JD, Choi HY, Lee HS. College of Oriental Medicine, Daegu Haany University, Gyeongsan, 712-715, Republic of Korea. The preventive and therapeutic effects of aqueous extracts of Mornidae Radix (MR) were observed in sciatic neurectomized mice, a disused osteoporotic model. The right hind limbs of 80 mice were neurectomized and 20 mice were sham-operated and served as a sham control. Then 50, 100 and 200 mg/kg of MR extracts were dosed 3 days after neurectomy for 6 weeks in the prevention study and were dosed 2 weeks after neurectomy for 12 weeks for the therapeutic study. After dosing with the MR extracts, the thickness of the hind limbs, tibia failure load, tibia bone mineral density (BMD), serum osteocalcin levels, tibia calcium (Ca) and phosphorus (P) contents were monitored with histomorphometrical changes of the tibia. In both the prevention and therapeutic studies, the MR extracts significantly and dose-dependently suppressed the decrease in hind limb thickness, tibia failure load, BMD, tibia Ca and P contents with an increase in serum osteoclacin levels. In addition, the MR extracts also significantly and dose-dependently suppressed the decrease in histomorphometrical parameters of the tibia such as volume, length and thickness of trabecular bone and thickness of cortical bone with an increase in osteoclast cells in both the prevention and therapeutic studies. Based on these results, the MR extracts may act as both a suppressor of bone resorption and an enhancer of bone formation in vivo and may have some favorable effects for preventing and treating the osteoporosis induced by sciatic neurectomy. PMID: 15934024 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] (3) J Pharm Pharmacol. 2005 May;57(5):607-15. Related Articles, Links In-vitro and in-vivo anti-inflammatory and antinociceptive effects of the methanol extract of the roots of Morinda officinalis. Kim IT, Park HJ, Nam JH, Park YM, Won JH, Choi J, Choe BK, Lee KT. College of Pharmacy, Kyung-Hee University, 1 Hoegi-Dong, Dongdaemun-gu, Seoul 130-701, Korea. The anti-inflammatory effects of the methanol extract of the roots of Morinda officinalis (MEMO) (Rubiaceae) were evaluated in-vitro and in-vivo. The effects of MEMO on lipopolysaccharide (LPS)induced responses in the murine macrophage cell line RAW 264.7 were examined. MEMO potently inhibited the production of nitric oxide (NO), prostaglandin E2 and tumour necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) in LPS-stimulated RAW 264.7 macrophages. Consistent with these results, the expression of inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS) and cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2) at the protein level, and of iNOS, COX-2 and TNF-alpha at the mRNA level, was also inhibited by MEMO in a concentration-dependent manner. Furthermore, MEMO inhibited the nuclear factor kappa B (NF-kappaB) activation induced by LPS, and this was associated with the prevention of degradation of the inhibitor kappaB (IkappaB), and subsequently with attenuated p65 protein in the nucleus. The anti-inflammatory effect of MEMO was examined in rats using the carrageenan-induced oedema model. The antinociceptive effects of MEMO were assessed in mice using the acetic acid-induced abdominal constriction test and the hot-plate test. MEMO (100, 200 mg kg-1 per day, p.o.) exhibited anti-inflammatory and antinociceptive effects in these animal models. Taken together, the data demonstrate that MEMO has anti-inflammatory and antinociceptive activity, inhibiting iNOS, COX-2 and TNF-alpha expression by down-regulating NF-kappaB binding activity. PMID: 15901350 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] (4) J Agric Food Chem. 2004 Sep 22;52(19):5843-8. Related Articles, Links Chemical constituents of Morinda citrifolia fruits inhibit copper-induced low-density lipoprotein oxidation. Kamiya K, Tanaka Y, Endang H, Umar M, Satake T. Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences and High Technology Research Center, Kobe Gakuin University, Nishi-ku, Kobe 651-2180, Japan. The oxidative modification of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) plays an important role in the genesis of arteriosclerosis. The present study focused on the effects of the fruits of Morinda citrifolia on preventing arteriosclerosis. The MeOH extract and CHCl(3)-, EtOAc-, n-BuOH-, and H(2)O-soluble phases derived from the fruits of M. citrifolia were evaluated for their inhibitory activity on copper-induced LDL oxidation by the thiobarbituric acid-reactive substances (TBARS) method. The MeOH extract and EtOAc-soluble phase showed 88 and 96% inhibition, respectively. Six lignans were isolated by repeated column chromatography from the EtOAc-soluble phase. These compounds were determined by spectroscopic analysis to be 3,3'-bisdemethylpinoresinol (1), americanol A (2), americanin A (3), americanoic acid A (4), morindolin (5), and isoprincepin (6), of which 4 and 5 are novel compounds. These compounds inhibited copper-induced LDL oxidation in a dose-dependent manner. 1, 2, 5, and 6 exhibited remarkably strong activities, which were the same or better than that of the known antioxidant 2,6-di-tert-butyl-p-cresol. The IC(50) values for 1, 2, 5, and 6 were 1.057, 2.447, 2.020, and 1.362 microM, respectively. The activity of these compounds is mainly due to their number of phenolic hydroxyl groups. PMID: 15366830 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] (5) Life Sci. 2004 Aug 13;75(13):1531-8. Related Articles, Links The cytoprotective effect of inulin-type hexasaccharide extracted from Morinda officinalis on PC12 cells against the lesion induced by corticosterone. Li YF, Liu YQ, Yang M, Wang HL, Huang WC, Zhao YM, Luo ZP. Division of Psychopharmacology, Beijing Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology, 27 TaiPing Road, Beijing 100850, China. lyf619@yahoo.com.cn High concentration of corticosterone (Cort) 0.2 mM was incubated with PC12 cells to simulate the lesion state of brain neurons in depressive illness, it was found that the inulin-type oligosaccharides extracted from Morinda officinalis, inulin-type hexasaccharide (IHS) at the doses of 0.625, 1.25 microM or desipramine (DIM) 0.25, 1 microM protected the PC12 cells from the lesion induced by Cort. With Fura-2/AM labeling assay, DIM 0.25, 1 microM or IHS 2.5, 10 microM attenuated the intracellular Ca2+ overloading induced by Cort 0.1 mM for 48 h in PC12 cells. Using RT-PCR, treatment with Cort 0.1 mM for 48 h decreased the nerve growth factor (NGF) mRNA level in PC12 cells, IHS 5, 10 microM reversed this change. In summary, IHS attenuate the intracellular Ca2+ overloading and thereby up-regulate the NGF mRNA expression in Cort-treated PC12 cells, which may be consisted at least part of the cytopretective effect of IHS. These results also extend evidence for our hypothesis that neuroprotective action is one of the common mechanisms for antidepressants. PMID: 15261759 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] IOW BIG MOUTH: POWERFUL ANTI OXIDATE & USEFUL FOR ANTI INFLAMMATORY ACTIVITY..... AND THIS IS JUST FROM THE 1ST PAGE OF HITS. I COULD GO ON WITH MORE CITATIONS. BUT FOR NOW, I WILL KILLFILE YOU. | No such studies fuckwit | [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] | > | > | > | > No thanks. JUST TO MENTION A FEW BENEFITS... OTHER BENEFITS CITED AS WELL.... MAYBE YOU CAN'T READ? | (1) J Nat Prod. 2005 Apr;68(4):592-5. Related Articles, Links | [quoted text clipped - 243 lines] | present" || Glen Cook cc;pd by email PLEASE killfile me you scamming piee of wet fecal matter shills like you are a danger to real people you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference What state are you in ? Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas - for fraud > JUST TO MENTION A FEW BENEFITS... OTHER BENEFITS CITED AS WELL.... > MAYBE YOU CAN'T READ? [quoted text clipped - 274 lines] > | present" > || Glen Cook Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in <news:42E501E6.4020002@iname.com> on misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition : [...] > you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact > that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas > - for fraud First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". :) Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the Scientific Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it may be of interest for Stacy. http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf 5. CONCLUSIONS [...] The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go beyond those of other fruit juices. ====== A long list of references follows, in that text... X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1. And for the record, I don't sell it. | On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in | <news:42E501E6.4020002@iname.com> on [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] | | X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:22:57 -0400, Stacy wrote in <news:nqWdnbSf_9-Ns3jfRVn-gw@adelphia.com> on misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition : > I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you > not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1. I didn't cite a study. I cited the opinion of the EU Scientific Committe on Food who went through the available studies and documents on Noni fruit (you can read the list in the References section), and then stated that there was "no evidence" of special nutritional benefits. http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf 3.5 Nutritional information on the novel food The composition of Tahitian Noni(R) juice in terms of macronutrients, vitamins and minerals is comparable to the ranges known for typical fruit juices. The compositional information presented does not indicate any detrimental nutritional effect arising from the consumption of the juice. Although some nutritional benefits are claimed for Morinda citrifolia L. products, the data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided no evidence for special nutritional benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go beyond those of other fruit juices. [...] The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go beyond those of other fruit juices. Therefore, this conclusion does not constitute an endorsement of respective benefits claimed for Morinda citrifolia L. products. X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition > I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you > not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1. > And for the record, I don't sell it. While you may have cited more studies, the snippet from the Committee on Food of the European Union clearly states that they considered "data supplied and the information available" which means that they used more information than the snippet mentions. Your 'argument' is specious. As for not selling it, promoting its use is "selling" it, but not for a profit. > | On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in > | <news:42E501E6.4020002@iname.com> on [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > | > | X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in > <news:42E501E6.4020002@iname.com> on [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > A long list of references follows, in that text... Gotta keep that URL. Nonsense juice nuts make all sorts of claims. > X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition > (1) J Nat Prod. 2005 Apr;68(4):592-5. Related Articles, Links > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > The preventive and therapeutic effects of aqueous extracts of Mornidae Radix <snip> > (3) J Pharm Pharmacol. 2005 May;57(5):607-15. Related Articles, Links > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The anti-inflammatory effects of the methanol extract of the roots of > Morinda officinalis (MEMO) (Rubiaceae) were evaluated in-vitro and in-vivo. <snip> > (4) J Agric Food Chem. 2004 Sep 22;52(19):5843-8. Related Articles, Links > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Morinda officinalis on PC12 cells against the lesion induced by > corticosterone. <snip> I notice that the five studies posted used several different plant sources. From a brief surf, Morinda citrifolia appears to be the source of Noni juice, studies 2, 3 and 5 can be rejected immediately since they are not about Noni juice. Morinda officinalis, the source of root extracts as used in studies 3 & 5, seems to also be called Noni. Noni juice seems to made from the fruit so it should not be expected to provide any of the benefits of the root extract. Studies 1 and 4 found some amount of substances (extracted from the whole fruit) which might be of interest, might be beneficial. However, these studies did not show: 1. that these substances are present in the juice (vs whole fruit) 2. that these substances survive the digestive tract 3. that these substances are absorbed 4. that these substances are not immediately deactivated (glucuronidation) or destroyed by the human liver etc (I'm sorry for the double negative) 5. that these substances are present in sufficient quantity to have measureable beneficial effect in humans. I searched Pubmed for Morinda citrifolia, got 72 hits. Some were about Morinda citrifolia, many of those were about root or leaf extracts. Most of them about the fruit or juice were in vitro, and the few in living beings were in mice or lower animals. I found no sign of benefits in humans. Feel free to check, I did this quickly. Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist. Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect your liver from Noni damage. Ed | > (1) J Nat Prod. 2005 Apr;68(4):592-5. Related Articles, Links | > [quoted text clipped - 138 lines] | | Ed Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break! snip > | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study > | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break! I posted a case report which showed that one person sustained a hepatotixic reaction. Either you missed it, did not read it when I posted it (you did respond to it) or did not understand it. Be that as it may, here it is again: Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation (Morinda citrifolia). Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W. Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University of Innsbruck, Austria. gunda.millonig@uibk.ac.at A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis. Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus, autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity, which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which has been highly praised in the tabloid press. Publication Types: Case Reports Hmmmm...hepatotoxic... Hepatotoxic refers to the L I V E R. > |<snip five abstracts which do not show any human benefit for NONI> > |<snip my observation that these show NO human benefit> > | [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break! As Mark Probert pointed out, the documented case of NONI liver damage was posted in this thread very recently. I don't know if this weakness is comprehension, memory, carelessness or what. I want to leave you with a healthy suggestion. Maybe substitute something healthier for Noni for a couple weeks at a time and look for signs of improved memory or comprehension. In this way you can test if the NONI is causing a problem. Maybe try apple juice or Koolaid. It doesn't matter whether you are (possibly) allergic to Noni or being poisoned by it like the case already posted. The Noni victim in that case recovered from his poisoning and you may be able to so also. Maximizing your recovery is the important thing. I take a tablespoon every few days. I don't think that would present a problem. As for liver damage and that study at pubmed there aren't enough details on what was going on with that particular patient/study. And of course very high doses of anything is not good. Also you can over due potassium just as any other vit. mineral. I've read similiar such warning about vitamin A & C. And of course iron and copper can be deadly when overdone. There's also been warnings about calcium builde up in the arteries yet most people need higher doses of calcium as they age. You can find adverse reactions on just about any vitamin or mineral if you LOOK for it. I'm not drinking bottles of the stuff. I'm using a tablespoon every other day if I think about it, just as I take other supps. Noni is not only over hyped but is also over demonized. | > |<snip five abstracts which do not show any human benefit for NONI> | [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | case recovered from his poisoning and you may be able to so also. | Maximizing your recovery is the important thing. > I take a tablespoon every few days. I don't think that would present a > problem. > > As for liver damage and that study at pubmed there aren't enough details on > what was going on with that particular patient/study. You either did not understand it or did not read it. Firstly, it is not a "study" but a case report. The physicians ruled out every known cause of the patient's problems and then he coughed up the fact that he was taking this chemical cocktail, a/k/a noni juice. I wonder if the packaging advises that there is a limit to how much. And of course very > high doses of anything is not good. Also you can over due potassium just as > any other vit. mineral. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > | case recovered from his poisoning and you may be able to so also. > | Maximizing your recovery is the important thing. > Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More > of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not > "noni". > You think that if that's all I had read, I would have got some? You said you went to pubmed and got positive results. If you wanted to post them, then you should have. I posted three, two of which show that there is may be a positive effect for those who may be having a problem. The third shows that there can be a problem. If you think the world is all good news, then you do not read enough. > Stacy. > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > | > > | > No thanks. [in ref to noni fruit] > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive results. "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> replied: > Okey-dokey btw, Mark, does pubmed have any results in regards to promegranate fruit or mangosteen fruit? > Topic: noni fruit ; promegranate fruit ; mangosteen fruit > > I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, Swanson > Health Products?) featuring a capsule containing powder from these fruits: > noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit. A couple of resources which may be of interest ... Some general info: http://www.canoeplants.com/noni.html http://www.tipsofallsorts.com/noni.html Just to be balanced, the skeptic's viewpoint: http://www.theness.com/encyc/nonifruitjuice-encyc.html Hope this is useful! Neil Alternative Network Directory http://www.and-world.com http://forum.and-world.com >>Topic: noni fruit ; promegranate fruit ; mangosteen fruit >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Just to be balanced, the skeptic's viewpoint: > http://www.theness.com/encyc/nonifruitjuice-encyc.html You forgot to mention that it is full of chemicals and acids. http://www.nonijuice.us/how-noni-juice-works.htm YUMMY! > Hope this is useful! > > Neil > Alternative Network Directory > http://www.and-world.com > http://forum.and-world.com >>>Topic: noni fruit ; promegranate fruit ; mangosteen fruit >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You forgot to mention that it is full of chemicals and acids. You forget to mention: "Have a couple Noni trees in my back yard. The fruit looks ugly, the smell quite strong but I have been ingesting it for years and feel like I can live forever." > Kalalau > Rich > http://www.nonijuice.us/how-noni-juice-works.htm > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> http://www.and-world.com >> http://forum.and-world.com Some Facts a.. Also known as Nonu, Nono (in Tahiti & Raratonga), Indian Mulberry (in India), Mengkudo (in Malaysia), Nhau (in Southeast Asia), Polynesian Bush Fruit, Painkiller Tree (in Caribbean islands), Grand Morinda (in Vietnam), Cheesefruit (in Australia), Kura (in Fiji) or Bumbo (in Africa) & etc. b.. Scientific name is Morinda Citrifolia. c.. It is an evergreen shrub or bush & can grow to heights of between fifteen to twenty feet. d.. The fruit looks like a green grenade & is covered with reddish brown seed pits that give it a lumpy texture. e.. The noni fruit starts green, turns yellow, ripens to whiteness & falls from the tree. f.. The tree bears fruits all year round. Once one fruit is picked, a new one will take its place after only three months! g.. The noni fruit, in its raw form, smells foul & tastes just as bad. h.. Originated in India, it now grows in various parts of the world such as French Polynesia (the best known of these islands is Tahiti), Hawaii, Southeast Asia & etc. i.. It grows best in mineral-rich volcanic ash. j.. Earliest reference to noni being used as a medicine date back several thousand years to India's Sanskrit writings when it was used in Ayurvedic medicine. k.. Noni is used in the native medicinal systems of the islands of the South & Central Pacific, including Tahiti, Samoa, Tonga & Hawaii, Southeast Asia for example Malaysia & the Philippines. l.. Though widespread, it is the French Polynesians who really made noni a part of their cultural life. m.. Noni was, & still is, prescribed by the native Polynesian healers to treat pain, inflammation, burns, skin problems, intestinal worms, nausea, food poisoning, fevers, bowel & menstrual problems, insect & animal bites etc. n.. Viritually every part of the noni plant is used for its individual medicinal properties ?fruit, seeds, flowers, roots & bark. o.. Noni was introduced to the western world in early 20th century. p.. According to Dr. Neil Solomon, who is considered a recognized leader in medical nutrition & nutraceuticals, noni has been reported to be safe for pregnant &/or nursing mothers. Noni can also be taken with all medications & other food supplements. q.. It is non-addictive. r.. TAHITIAN NONIT Juice has been included in the 2003 edition of the Physicians Desk Reference for Non-Prescription Drugs and Dietary Supplements to document its significant health-promoting capabilities. s.. In 2003, the Commission of The European Communities authorized the sale of TAHITIAN NONIT Juice in Europe as a novel food. The announcement, issued from Brussels, Belgium, came after years of testing & research, proving the safety of the juice of the Morinda citrifolia or noni fruit. TAHITIAN NONIT Juice is the first noni juice product approved for sale in Europe. Nutraceuticals a.. Over 150 nutraceuticals have been found in the noni fruit, some of those identified are : anthraquinones, beta-carotene, calcium, linoleic acid, magnesium, pectin, potassium, proline, protein, proxeronine, proxeroninease, scopoletin, beta-sitosterols, sterols, phenylalanine & tyrosine, ursolic acid, all the B vitamins & antioxidants like vitamin C, proanthocyanadins & anthocyanadins. How does noni work? (& why it can be good for so many conditions) a.. Our bodies work by biochemical reactions. Examples include growing hair, digesting food, healing injuries, fighting infections, walking, thinking, feeling & etc. b.. There are certain processes in our body that are primary & supportive of the entire body. Any change in these primary processes can cause dramatic changes throughout our whole body & other aspects of our life. c.. Two of the main primary processes include the processes of synthesis & of communication. d.. Synthesis include all the things that our bodies make, for example, proteins, connective tissues, new cells, hormones, DNA etc. e.. Communication refers to the flow of chemically controlled information among the cells, for proper co-ordinated growth of the human body as a whole. f.. Globular proteins are the workhorses for both synthesis (enzymes) & communication (cell wall receptors) processes. g.. Globular proteins are long strands of amino acids connected like beads on a string. Big & wobbly, they spend only a very short time in the precise shape that does most of their intended work. More about proteins... h.. Enzymes catalyze every biochemical reaction in the body & the cell wall receptors are responsible for much of the communication that occurs biochemically in the body. i.. To increase the effectiveness of an enzyme or receptor, our bodies produce a small molecule called xeronine that wedges itself between the strands of protein, making it more rigid & hence spending more time in its biochemically efficient configuration. j.. Dr. Ralph Heinicke, a research biochemist, pioneered the study of the alkaloid Xeronine. k.. Xeronine is produced in the body (large intestine) from the building blocks Proxeronine, Proxeroninase & Seratonin. l.. Our bodies contain all of these blocks but proxeronine may be in short supply. m.. Under usual circumstances, the liver stores proxeronine, releasing it into the bloodstream every two hours. n.. Additional quantity of proxeronine required comes from the food that we eat. o.. However soil depletion & environmental degradation have reduced the amount of xeronine building blocks in our food. p.. Also illnesses, aging, stresses, highly active lifestyles etc. have placed an increased demand on the proteins in our body. q.. To increase the supply of xeronine in our body, more proxeronine will need to be supplied through our diet. r.. Noni is found to contain, in abundant quantity, the building blocks for xeronine, namely proxeronine & the enzymes needed to convert proxeronine into xeronine, known as proxeronase. s.. One of the first scientist to research noni was Dr. Ralph Heinicke. t.. TAHITIAN NONIT Juice, distributed by Morinda, is found to contain the highest amount of proxeronine. Noni's 5 main uses 1.. Daily Tonic - Can be taken along with other supplements, including vitamins, minerals & herbs, including: pycnogenal, germanium, vitamins C & E, chondroitin, aloe vera etc. - Boosts general health & performance. - Dramatic improvement in weakened conditions. - Increased absorption, assimilation, utilization of vitamins, herbs & minerals. - Powerful anti-oxidant function for protection from free radical damage. 2.. Analgesic - For treatment of pain & headaches. - The noni tree is also known as the "Pain & Headache Tree". - Beneficial for back & neck pain, muscular & nerve pain, migraine & tension headaches. - A 1990 study conducted at the Laboratory of Pharmacosny of the University of Meets in France found noni to have a central analgesic effect. - According to studies reported in the journal Planta Medica (Analgesic and Behavourial Effects of Morinda Citrifolia; pg 430-434; Oct 1990), noni has been found to be 75% as effective as morphine sulphate in relieving pain without the toxic side effects of morphine. Unlike morphine, noni is not addictive. 3.. Immune Support According to clinical trials conducted by Dr. Schechter, director of the Natural Healing Institute in California, - Noni stimulates the production of T-cells in the immune system. T-cells play a pivotal role in fighting disease. - Noni acts to enhance the immune system involving macrophages &/or lymphocytes, which are a vital part of the body's natural defences. - Noni has been shown to combat many types of bacteria. - Noni inhibits precancer function & the growth of cancer tumours by allowing abnormal cells to function more normally. 4.. Anti-inflammatory - Effective for muscular & joints conditions such as arthritis & carpal tunnel syndrome. - Reduction of pain & swelling in injuries such as bruises, deep cuts, boils, strains & burns. Noni can be used as a poultice & applied directly onto the affected skin. - Beneficial for ulcers, cellulitis, scalp conditions & itching rashes. 5.. Adaptogen (Normalizing Function) - Helps restore body's internal organs to normal function. - Scientific documentation of benefits for gastrointestinal system (diarrhea, heartburn, nausea, colitis, ulcers), reproductive organs (menstrual problems, fibroids, yeast infections), liver & pancreas (diabetes mellitus, pancreatitis), respiratory system (asthma, sinusitis, emphysema), endocrine system (thyroid & adrenal disease), cardiovascular system (heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke) & nervous system (stress, depression, memory, sex drive, energy). - Isolation of the compound from noni called scopoletin by the University of Hawaii in 1993 attributes the new compound to lowering blood pressure, reducing inflammation, killing bacteria & fungi & preventing tumour growth. - The phytonutrient, damnacanthal, found in noni, was found to be an inhibitor of some precancerous cells. Reference : "Induction of normal phenotypes in ras-transformed cells by damnacanthal from Morinda citrifolia" Hiramatsu T, et al. Cancer Letters (1993) 75:161-166 Antibacterial, antifungal & antiparasitic agent a.. With the presence of active components like anthraquinones, scopoletin & terpenes (e.g. beta-carotene & ursolic acid), noni is effective against bacteria & fungus. b.. Noni has been blessed with anthraquinone compounds like alizarin, acubin & L-asperuloside that fight against bacterial strains like E.coli, salmonella, shigella, staphylococcus aureus & baciillis subtilis. c.. Extracts of damnacanthal, one of the anthraquinone compounds have been shown to kill the parasite responsible for malaria called Plasmodium falciparum. Reference : The Medical Parasitology, The C.V. Mosby Company, London (1971) d.. Damnacanthal is also potent against leishmaniasis, a parasite condition. e.. The anthraquinone compound called alizarin inhibits the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). Reference : "Antiretroviral activities of anthraquinones and their inhibitory effects on reverse transcriptase" Hirotaka H, et al. Antiviral Research (1991) 15(3):205-216 f.. Noni exhibited vigorous antiparasitic action when an alcoholic extract consisting of morinda citrirolia & other plants was tested on the human parasite worm called Ascaris lumbricoides. Reference : "Screening of indigenous plants for anthelmintic action against human Ascaris lumbricoides: Part II" Indian J Physiol Pharmacol (1975) 19:unknown g.. Researchers from the Philippines reported that a concentration of noni leaves killed 89% of Mycobacterium tuberculosis, the bacteria that cause tuberculosis. The researchers identified the active compounds in the noni plant to be plant steroids, or phytosterols. Reference : "Potential antimycobacterial agents isolated from the leaves of noni" Saludes J, et al. International Chemical Congress of Pacific Basin Societies, Honolulu (2000) About Dr. Ralph Heinicke a.. Ralph Heinicke graduated from Cornell University in 1936 with a special interest in plant physiology. After completing his studies in electrical engineering at the University of Kentucky, Lexington, he went on to receive his Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of Minnesota. He lived in Hawaii from 1950 to 1986, doing research for the Dole Pineapple Company, the Pineapple Research Institute, and the University of Hawaii. b.. The Origins of Xeronine - The first step in his discovery of the active ingredients of the Morinda citrifolia fruit was in his work at the Dole Pineapple Company. He was commissioned to find medicinal uses for an enzyme which was prevalent in pineapple, bromelain. Dr. Heinicke published articles in several scientific journals detailing the findings of his research. Since about 1972, Dr. Heinicke had been attempting to identify the unknown ingredient in bromelain, which he believed was actually responsible for the encouraging results of his clinical work. After many years of research, he eventually identified this ingredient as a new alkaloid to which he gave the name "xeronine." In December 1981, he patented xeronine as a new alkaloid. c.. The Path Leads to Morinda Citrifolia - Because he was convinced of the potential benefits as a result of his research, Dr. Heinicke set out to find a food source that was high in proxeronine (the precursor to xeronine) that could be used as a food supplement. Living in Hawaii, he had heard of the many claims that had been made about the M. citrifolia plant, so he chose the fruit of this plant as the subject of his search for a xeronine supplement. He discovered that this plant not only contains enormous amounts of proxeronine, the precursor to xeronine, but that it also contains the enzyme proxeronase that facilitates the conversion of proxeronine to xeronine in the body. | > Topic: noni fruit ; promegranate fruit ; mangosteen fruit | > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] | http://www.and-world.com | http://forum.and-world.com > I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, Swanson > Health Products?) featuring a capsule containing powder from these fruits: > noni fruit; promegranate fruit; and mangosteen fruit. And, I recently saw a stop light turn red. All the traffic heading north and south stopped. While the East/West traffic finally started moving. My question to you is: So, what? Are you suffering from dementia? Or, are you just an idiot? | > I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, Swanson | > Health Products?) featuring a capsule containing powder from these fruits: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | north and south stopped. While the East/West traffic finally started | moving. That's funny. | My question to you is: So, what? Are you suffering from dementia? | Or, are you just an idiot? But this is just nasty. > | > I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, > Swanson [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > But this is just nasty. And, so is George Lagergren, the Troll, my post was directed at. Tolls, like George, babble and idiots, like you, actually reply to him. :( Just my opinion, but I am right as usual. :) | > | > I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, | > Swanson [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] | | Just my opinion, but I am right as usual. :) You sound like the only TROLL I've seen here. You're a nasty unlikable person and I will not respond to you again. Killfile you. > | > | > I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, > | > Swanson [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Killfile you. This is a newsgroup, Dear! Just thought that you might want to know. Time for females to stop worrying about the feelings of slimy Trolls like George. In other words, Dear, try growing up!!!! >| > | > I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, >| > Swanson [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Killfile you. Gohde isn't a troll, he's a self-professed "expert" on health matters. He has to be self-professed, because it's certain that nobody else will confer the title on him. He also has no teeth, which really undermines his claims at great knowledge of health. (I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, but at least I have my own teeth.) It's also highly amusing that Gohde calls someone an idiot for responding to George in the *same thread* where Gohde responded to George, thus making Gohde an idiot by his own definition. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things that money can buy." -- Steve Martin And, the only reason you are responding to this THREAD is moi. That makes you an even bigger fool and waster of time. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Oh, by the way. My site was just re-certified again on 7/21/05. Just thought that an idiot like you would want to know. :) > >| > | > I recently saw an ad from a nutritional supplement seller (maybe, > >| > Swanson [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > natural things that money can buy." > -- Steve Martin Stacy, It seems that although the point of newsgroups is to share information and ask questions in good nature, some people take it to an extreme here. I have done a little research into noni juice myself, when a friend mentioned it. I don't know if you have heard of monosacharides or glyconutrients, but basically on every cell in a person's body their are glyco-proteins and then there are monosacharides attached to those glyco-proteins. These monosacharides or glyconutrients are how the cells communicate. To make a long scientific explaination short, we get these glyconutrients through our diets, but since all our fruits and vegetables are picked green and shipped cross country, they fail to have those vital nutrients in them because the fruits and vegetables were not allowed to "vine-ripen". Anyways, basically if our cells aren't communicating, then that results in sickness, diseases, etc. There are 8 vital monosacharides and our body only produces 2 on a regular basis, so if we aren't getting the other 6, then it isn't so mind boggling why disease and sickness is on the rise! As far as noni-juice goes, it has I believe, 1 or 2 of the 8 glyconutrients in it. I believe if I understand what noni juice is, it is basically the juice from an almost rotten noni fruit. So therefore, that fruit was allowed to vine ripen and therefore has some nutrients in it. Anyways, I am not an expert, but thought I would share what I have found so far. www.glycoinformation.org is a purely informational, educational site that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site on the science of glycomics and glycobiology. > Anyways, I am not an expert, WOW! You do have insight. but thought I would share what I have found so > far. www.glycoinformation.org is a purely informational, educational site > that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site on the > science of glycomics and glycobiology. So you say. However, their site says: Copyright 2000-2005 Mannatech™ Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. This site is provided by Mannatech™ Incorporated as an educational site for use in the United States. Specific handling of printed documents from this site is covered in detail under Legal Notices and Terms of Use. IOW, they are shills for MannDRECK (DRECK is a Yiddish word meaning CRAP) and you are most likely a MannaDreckie, a/k/a MLM salescreep. > > Anyways, I am not an expert, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > IOW, they are shills for MannDRECK (DRECK is a Yiddish word meaning > CRAP) and you are most likely a MannaDreckie, a/k/a MLM salescreep. I think that you're right about LRitchhart, and Mannatech has some 'splaining to do: see "Mannatech Sued for Fraud and Invasion of Privacy" http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Mannatech/complaint.html MLM watch info page on them http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Mannatech/mannatech00.html from Canberra Fibromyalgia and CFS pages http://www.masmith.inspired.net.au/docs/mannatec.htm Its funny how the "purely informational, educational site" glycoinformation.org has mostly links to shop for Mannatech product or to get on board with MLM. I don't see ANYTHING else. Great info like: "Free Report ! Secrets of How To Add 20 to 30 Mannatech Reps A Week" >>>Anyways, I am not an expert, >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Great info like: > "Free Report ! Secrets of How To Add 20 to 30 Mannatech Reps A Week" MannaDRECK has been around for quite a while. They had a supplement that they claimed treated AD/HD, until the FTC got invovled after a complaint was filed. They were my personal introduction to the world of AlternativeQuackFraud. I am here to share information. Yes, Mannatech is the prime company that first made health supplements with the necessary glyconutrients in them. But there are other company's popping up. As far as I am concerned, everyone needs to know about the neccessity of "glyconutrients" and what they are. As far as getting those glyconutrients it is up to them to choose the company or product they want to use. Here is third-party information for you skeptics who say it's all Mannatech hype! Harpers Biochemistry, a medical textbook that has been educating healthcare professionals about Glyconutrients and their role in health and healing since 1996. The Physician's Desk Reference (PDR), is used by 99% of all doctors and healthcare professionals before recommending solutions to their patients. Glyco-nutrients are listed for compromised immune systems. Science Magazine, the premier journal for researchers and scientists recently dedicated an entire issue to educating the science and medical community about Glyconutrients, Glycobiology and Glycoscience. March 23 2001 Special Issue: Carbohydrates & Glycobiology Acta Anatomica Glycosciences - issue 161/1-4/98 International Journal of Anatomy, Embryology and Cell Biology. Glycosylation is the most common form of protein and lipid modification but its biological significance has long been underestimated. The last decade, however, has witnessed the rapid emergence of the concept of the sugar code of biological information: indeed, monosaccharides represent an alphabet of biological information similar to amino acids and nucleic acids but with unsurpassed coding capacity. Technology Review (MIT) Sugars could be biology's next sweet spot. The 1990s may well be remembered in biology as the decade of the gene, culminating in the completion of the Human Genome Project's working draft. And the next big thing in medicine may be the study of the proteins coded for by all those genes. But even as doctors and drug companies struggle to interpret and exploit the recent explosion of data on genes and proteins, yet another field of biology is waiting to break out: glycomics. This emerging discipline seeks to do for sugars and carbohydrates what genomics and proteomics have done for genes and proteins-move them into the mainstream of biomedical research and drug discovery. Scientific American - MEDICINE Changing Cancer Cells' "Surface Sugars" can Inhibit Tumor Growth - Jan. 22, 2002 Click Here for the Complete Article. The key to halting cancer cells may lie in their sugary coats, scientists say. Carbohydrate molecules surround all cells and help them to identify and interact with one another. Now new research, published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, indicates that altering some of the surface sugars associated with cancer cells can control tumor growth. The findings suggest that the sugars could one day serve as targets for new anti-cancer therapies. Those are all VALID scientific resources. I certainly hope there isn't a "conspiracy" between them all to "scam" as many people as they can!! >> Anyways, I am not an expert, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > IOW, they are shills for MannDRECK (DRECK is a Yiddish word meaning CRAP) > and you are most likely a MannaDreckie, a/k/a MLM salescreep. > I am here to share information. 'share' is MLMese for shill. When I have travelled extensively in Central and South America ... I've met many natives who swear by Noni! I believe that our Good Lord provided to us in the form of herbs and fruits and vegetables ... a magnificent supply of his life sustaining and healing substances ... Ilena Rose a écrit dans le message ... >When I have travelled extensively in Central and South America ... >I've met many natives who swear by Noni! > >I believe that our Good Lord provided to us in the form of herbs and >fruits and vegetables ... a magnificent supply of his life sustaining >and healing substances ... Yes along with some very toxic ones that we should leave alone. Also, some that have little effect one way or another. Many plants for use of other creatures such as milk weed for some lovely butterflys but which are poison to humans. The good Lord was also kind enough also to give most human good enough sense to know when they are being conned by charlatans!! JL PS L.W. slow day did not feel like working and no one interesting around!! >Ilena Rose a écrit dans le message ... >>When I have travelled extensively in Central and South America ... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >JL Unusual for me to thank you for adding a note of sanity, but.... Thanks. Some people just don't realize that not every plant in the world was made to be useful or helpful or good to humans beings. I don't think the particular poster you were responding to was necessarily one of them, but some grab that idea and generalize on it too much. And the noni thing is going to cost more in the long run than almost any sensible regimen and not do what the promoters promise and half promise. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: cylise@gmail.com.invalid (strip the .invalid to email) > I am here to share information. Yes, Mannatech is the prime company that > first made health supplements with the necessary glyconutrients in them. But > there are other company's popping up. I'm sure that your 'informative' website will feature these other companies' products soon. > As far as I am concerned, everyone needs to know about the neccessity of > "glyconutrients" and what they are. As far as getting those glyconutrients > it is up to them to choose the company or product they want to use. > > Here is third-party information for you skeptics who say it's all Mannatech > hype! <SNIP reference to Harpers Biochemistry> <SNIP reference to The Physician's Desk Reference (PDR)> <SNIP reference to Science Magazine> <SNIP reference to Acta Anatomica Glycosciences - issue 161/1-4/98> <SNIP reference to Technology Review (MIT)> <SNIP reference to Scientific American - MEDICINE> > Those are all VALID scientific resources. I certainly hope there isn't a > "conspiracy" between them all to "scam" as many people as they can!! I don't think that there's a single reference in any of those sources supporting any Mannatech product. Thank-you for not stating that there is any such reference. It is your intention to suggest there is such a reference by implication in your post. There is no reason to associate any of those sources with this scam. You have not provided any information showing any benefit for Mannatech products. I'm sure they're good for lining someone's pocket with money taken from fools, that's a benefit of sorts. These products continue to appear to be all hype. Glyconutrients may be capable of great things but that doesn't mean there won't be a lot of crap using that word on the bottle (or website). Mannatech's history leads us to expect nothing else. Thanks for the post and explanation on noni. | Stacy, | It seems that although the point of newsgroups is to share information and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] | that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site on the | science of glycomics and glycobiology. |
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