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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / June 2005OK, I shut up. But...
I will come back the day when the mercury-autism link is proved to be true. Then I will ask all you who deny fiercely to apologize. >I will come back the day when the mercury-autism link is proved to be true. > Then I will ask all you who deny fiercely to apologize. Fair enough. Will you also come back to apologize when the link is proven false?  Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ vax9000, Don't listen to Rish, Peter or Cathy. They are just here to get on your nerves and they aren't intersted in anything else but the "hate everybody club" (you don't want you join either!) I believe that mercury causes autism and vaccines are absolutely worthless. (not to offend anyone of course) Zappers are much more effective for fighting disease. >vaccines are absolutely >worthless. Someone mentioned that Mary was both a fool and a liar. I would like to add another possibility: that she is a troll. Not even Jan Drew who only posts anti-vac links (when she posts vaccination links) believes that the positives of vaccines are well known and that if she had to do it again she probably would vaccinate her children again. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >vax9000, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >worthless. (not to offend anyone of course) Zappers are much more >effective for fighting disease. You overplayed your hand here. It's now clear you are trolling. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe The Battle of the Network Stars should be fought with guns." -- Steve Martin i work in a healthfood store, and converse daily with mothers of autistic children(some who btw, have been changed so drastically through diet and supplementation that u wouldnt guess they were autistic). almost everyone have attributed it to the mercury in vaccines, and almost all of the children have large amounts of mercury in their hair samples >i work in a healthfood store, and converse daily with mothers of > autistic children(some who btw, have been changed so drastically [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > almost all of the children have large amounts of mercury in their hair > samples Which bears out widespread opinion as to the quality of information to be obtained in "Healthfood" stores. The following study shows that what you say is not true. Another study of which Boyd Haley is joint author showed there was less mercury in the baby hair of infants who later became autistic than in a comparison group. 1: J Child Neurol. 2004 Jun;19(6):431-4. Related Articles, Links Mercury exposure in children with autistic spectrum disorder: case-control study. Ip P, Wong V, Ho M, Lee J, Wong W. Division of Neurodevelopmental Paediatrics, The University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong. Although mercury has been proven to be a neurotoxicant, there is a lack of data to evaluate the causal relationship between mercury and autism. We aim to see if there is increased mercury exposure in children with autistic spectrum disorder. We performed a cross-sectional cohort study over a 5-month period in 2000 to compare the hair and blood mercury levels of children with autistic spectrum disorder (n = 82; mean age 7.2 years) and a control group of normal children (n = 55; mean age 7.8 years). There was no difference in the mean mercury levels. The mean blood mercury levels of the autistic and control groups were 19.53 and 17.68 nmol/L, respectively (P = .15), and the mean hair mercury levels of the autistic and control groups were 2.26 and 2.07 ppm, respectively (P = .79). Thus, the results from our cohort study with similar environmental mercury exposure indicate that there is no causal relationship between mercury as an environmental neurotoxin and autism. Peter Moran >i work in a healthfood store, and converse daily with mothers of >autistic children(some who btw, have been changed so drastically [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >almost all of the children have large amounts of mercury in their hair >samples The sainted Dr Boyd Haley (blessed be his name) has said that autistic children have LOW amounts of mercury in their hair. Apparently this indicates high amounts of mercury in the body. Did I mention that Dr Haley (peace be unto him) is a fool? SignaturePeter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>i work in a healthfood store, and converse daily with mothers of >>autistic children(some who btw, have been changed so drastically [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Did I mention that Dr Haley (peace be unto him) is a fool? You also mentioned he had fans who said he had apologized. Just one of your MANY LIES. Like this: *A professor of chemistry deliberately talks about two different chemical compounds (ethylmercury and methylmercury) as if they are interchangeable and have identical properties*. That is a LIE. Dr Haley said NO such thing. He said: (methylmercury, ethylmercury, thimerosal dental amalgams, Hg vapor, Hg2+, etc.) have been reported to be extremely toxic. He is absolutely correct. Ethylmercury has also been shown, like methylmercury, to accumulate in the brain and causes tissue damage methylmercury, to accumulate in the brain and causes tissue damage Like methylmercury, ethylmercury is toxic to the brain and crosses the blood-brain barrier. (9) "Higher-dose exposure to ethylmercury from Thimerosal results in toxicity comparable to that observed after high-dose exposure to methylmercury." Jan > Peter Bowditch Is BOTH A FOOL AND A LIAR! >> Peter Bowditch > >Is BOTH A FOOL AND A LIAR! >On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:57:03 GMT, "LadyLollipop" ><LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >>Genesis 27:19-20, 24. Jacob had to lie again to cover up his first lie ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >i work in a healthfood store, and converse daily with mothers of >autistic children(some who btw, have been changed so drastically [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >almost all of the children have large amounts of mercury in their hair >samples This argues against the thimerosal-autism connection for two reasons: 1) There isn't all that much mercury in vaccines in the first place, so where is all this mercury coming from? 2) If they have lots of mercury in their hair samples (admittedly, a not-very-reliable technique), it says their bodies are good at getting rid of the stuff, and it's not getting into their brains. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe The Battle of the Network Stars should be fought with guns." -- Steve Martin >>i work in a healthfood store, and converse daily with mothers of >>autistic children(some who btw, have been changed so drastically [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 2) If they have lots of mercury in their hair samples (admittedly, > a not-very-reliable technique), #1. Tha'ts wrong. it says their bodies are good > at getting rid of the stuff, and it's not getting into their > brains. #2. That's wrong. Jan > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "I believe The Battle of the Network Stars should be fought with > guns." > -- Steve Martin >>>i work in a healthfood store, and converse daily with mothers of >>>autistic children(some who btw, have been changed so drastically [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > #2. That's wrong. Got proof? My bother in-law's brother has 3 autistic children! His wife had birth control shots before all of them (didn't work!). Do birth control shots also have mercury in them? I didn't even know there was such thing, but my sister was telling be about it today and I thought I'd mention it here. > My bother in-law's brother has 3 autistic children! His wife had birth > control shots before all of them (didn't work!). Do birth control shots > also have mercury in them? I didn't even know there was such thing, but > my sister was telling be about it today and I thought I'd mention it > here. Birth control shots? Care to prove that they exist? >> My bother in-law's brother has 3 autistic children! His wife had birth >> control shots before all of them (didn't work!). Do birth control shots [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Care to prove that they exist? I think she means Depo-Provera, Mark. http://www.depoprovera.com/index.asp --Rich >>>My bother in-law's brother has 3 autistic children! His wife had birth >>>control shots before all of them (didn't work!). Do birth control shots [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.depoprovera.com/index.asp I see. Well...our problem was just in the other direction. Pergonal and all that. Does Depoprovera contain thimerosal? >>>>My bother in-law's brother has 3 autistic children! His wife had birth >>>>control shots before all of them (didn't work!). Do birth control shots [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Does Depoprovera contain thimerosal? No. According to the package insert, each ml contains: Medroxyprogesterone acetate 150 mg Polyethelene glycol 3350 28.9 mg Polysorbate 80 2.41 mg Sodium Chloride 8.68 mg Methylparaben 1.37 mg Water for injection qs (When necessary pH is adjusted with sodium hydroxide or hydrochloric acid or both) No mercury at all. WARNING! The shot does contain CHLORINE, which is known to be highly toxic! ;o) Rich >>>>>My bother in-law's brother has 3 autistic children! His wife had birth >>>>>control shots before all of them (didn't work!). Do birth control shots [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >No mercury at all. WARNING! The shot does contain CHLORINE, which is known >to be highly toxic! Forget chlorine. It has polyethelene glycol AKA antifreeze!!! No wonder all the kids are autistic!! Aloha, Rich >;o) Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>>>My bother in-law's brother has 3 autistic children! His wife had birth >>>>>control shots before all of them (didn't work!). Do birth control shots [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >No mercury at all. WARNING! The shot does contain CHLORINE, which is known >to be highly toxic! And polyethylene glycol!!!!!! If ordinary ethylene glycol cause CANCER (in association with intestinal flukes, of course), how much more carcinogenic must the poly form be? And methylsomething!!! And acetate! Isn't that what movie films used to be made of? And just look at the sorbate. Hasn't anyone read betty Martini's latest warning (on Jeff Rense's web site, so it must be almost as true as something on Mercola's site) about how sorbaline (Splenda) is just DDT in disguise? It looks like depoprovera works as a contraceptive by killing the woman. Dead women don't breed. SignaturePeter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com Dentists still tell you there is NO mercury in metal fillings. (At least mine did). They probably don't tell people about mercury in vaccines on the package... > Dentists still tell you there is NO mercury in metal fillings. (At > least mine did). You seem to find the most indredibly moronic professionals to tend to your needs. How do you do this with such consistency? Where do you live? I would not want to move there. > They probably don't tell people about mercury in vaccines on the > package... Sure they do, simply because the package insert is subject to review. >Dentists still tell you there is NO mercury in metal fillings. (At >least mine did). No, he didn't. Why do you have this need to lie. >They probably don't tell people about mercury in vaccines on the >package... SignaturePeter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com Why do you keep calling me a liar? My dentist may be a liar, but I am NOT! She works at a low income, government sponsered denist office. Would you like to look HER up?? Maybe poor people can't afford to go to dentists that know what they are talking about. >Why do you keep calling me a liar? My dentist may be a liar, but I am >NOT! She works at a low income, government sponsered denist office. >Would you like to look HER up?? Maybe poor people can't afford to go to >dentists that know what they are talking about. There is no such thing as a dentist who does not know that amalgam is a combination of mercury with some other metals. Also, please learn how to quote. We know that you don't know what you are talking about so quoting is irrelevant to you, but it would help the rest of us to put your nonsense into a context. SignaturePeter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Why do you keep calling me a liar? My dentist may be a liar, but I am > NOT! She works at a low income, government sponsered denist office. > Would you like to look HER up?? Maybe poor people can't afford to go to > dentists that know what they are talking about. What you claimed that this dentist said is such utter bullshit that anyone who walks by a dental school knows better. You either did not understand her, or you lied. No third choice. >>>>>My bother in-law's brother has 3 autistic children! His wife had birth >>>>>control shots before all of them (didn't work!). Do birth control shots [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > (When necessary pH is adjusted with sodium hydroxide or hydrochloric acid or > both) Yuck...poly this and poly that....but no thimerosal. And, the highly toxic sodium and chlorine. > No mercury at all. WARNING! The shot does contain CHLORINE, which is known > to be highly toxic! And two polys which means a lot. PUN intended. > This argues against the thimerosal-autism connection for two reasons: > > 1) There isn't all that much mercury in vaccines in the first place, > so where is all this mercury coming from? Valid point. > 2) If they have lots of mercury in their hair samples (admittedly, > a not-very-reliable technique), it says their bodies are good > at getting rid of the stuff, and it's not getting into their > brains. Here, though, you've fallen into the same trap that some of the antivaxers have. The deposition of metals in the hair is *not* an excretory process; it's just the result of hair proteins containing lots of cysteine, which has sulfhydryl groups that mercury latches on to. And in any case it accounts for very little removal of metals from the body. Therefore, you can't infer *anything* about how efficiently the body can remove a load of mercury merely by looking at hair samples. Some antivaxers reacted to a study showing that a sample of autistic children had *lower* mercury levels in their hair than did a sample of neurotypical children by asserting that that must mean that autistic children have difficulty excreting mercury. well... you have your single study, and i have a handfull of mothers with austicic children telling me otherwise... i guess since yoru study says they are wrong, they all must be wrong > vax9000, > > Don't listen to Rish, Peter or Cathy. They are just here to get on your > nerves and they aren't intersted in anything else but the "hate > everybody club" (you don't want you join either!) That cannot be true. Rich, Peter and Cathy all like eachother, thus, they are not members of the "hate everybody club." > I believe that mercury causes autism and vaccines are absolutely > worthless. (not to offend anyone of course) Zappers are much more > effective for fighting disease. One of the side effects of using the ZippyZapper, which Hulda's Henchmen agreed was useless, is that it destroys the logic centers of the brain. please excuse me for typing your name wrong Rich. :) btw, I am Rich, Cathy, Peter and the rest of ya, I am sorry for the imature post above, I have been working long hours and was very tired when I wrote it. Please except my sincere apology. > please excuse me for typing your name wrong Rich. :) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Please except my sincere apology. That was gracious of you. Thank you. --Rich You are welcome! :D Not enemies? (just respectful disagreements...) >please excuse me for typing your name wrong Rich. :) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Please except my sincere apology. Sincere apologies are always accepted. Thank you. SignaturePeter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > please excuse me for typing your name wrong Rich. :) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Please except my sincere apology. Thankyou. Cathy >I will come back the day when the mercury-autism link is proved to be true. >Then I will ask all you who deny fiercely to apologize. I guess this is your way of telling us you're not coming back? -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe The Battle of the Network Stars should be fought with guns." -- Steve Martin >I will come back the day when the mercury-autism link is proved to be true. >Then I will ask all you who deny fiercely to apologize. Please don't return before that date. Make sure you have a ski parka and some fur-lined boots for when you visit Hell. SignaturePeter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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