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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / May 2005What's a Question The *gang* Can't Answer
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:jDPke.48496$HJ2.19640@fe11.lga... > What is the scariest question for an altie? > > Please post proof of your claims? Right back at ya. Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. A study will do nicely. I'll wait. >> What is the scariest question for an altie? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'll wait. If by safety, you mean whether any illness (as opposed to rare local effects) can be associated with mercury exposure from amalgam, the proof lies in innumerable observational studies that have never been able to show any correlation between the presence or number of amalgam surfaces and any illness, or an equivalent exposure to mercury from other sources and any illness. We have shown them to you many times. Since you are the one making the claims here, and all you have produced so far is the extremely unreliable claims of people like yourself who believe that they have been made sick by amalgams, the onus would appear to be on you to produce better evidence. Bear in mind in your answer that anything used to replace amalgams will have less evidence of safety. So I assume we are talking about either amalgam fillings or having teeth extracted. Peter Moran >>> What is the scariest question for an altie? >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Peter Moran >>> What is the scariest question for an altie? >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > If by safety, Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. ******* A study will do nicely.********** LIES deleted. LL/Jan > Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. > > ******* A study will do nicely.********** Every scientific study has shown that mercury from amalgam fillings causes no harm to the people who receive them. Here's a recent one: J Oral Rehabil 2002 Aug;29(8):705-713 Multidisciplinary examination of patients with illness attributed to dental fillings. Langworth S, Bjorkman L, Elinder CG, Jarup L, Savlin P. Department of Public Health Sciences, Division of Occupational Medicine, Karolinska Hospital and Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden, Department of Odontology, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden, and National Registry of Adverse Reactions to Dental Materials, Bergen, Norway, Department of Renal Medicine, Huddinge University Hospital and Karolinska Institutet, Huddinge, Sweden, Department of Epidemiology and Public Health, Imperial College School of Medicine, London, UK, and Institute of Environmental Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden, and Department of Environmental Health, Stockholm County Council, Norrbacka, Stockholm, Sweden. Objective and methods. In 1993, a special Amalgam Clinic was established at Huddinge University Hospital. Residents in the Stockholm County area with morbidity attributed to dental fillings ('amalgam disease'), were referred to this clinic. Patients were examined by a dentist (n 428), a physician (n 379), and a psychologist (n 360). Sixty-nine per cent were women and 31% men; the mean patient age was 46 years. Results. Oral symptoms included tender or aching teeth (60%), metallic taste (54%), sore mouth (43%) and dry mouth (43%). Signs of moderate or severe temporomandibular joint dysfunction were found in 81 cases, glossitis in 30 and oral lichen in 26 cases. Common general symptoms included diffuse pain (78%), general weakness (75%), extreme fatigue (68%) and dizziness (68%). Seven per cent of the patients suffered from previously undiagnosed medical conditions (thyroid dysfunction, anaemia, cardiopathy, renal disease, cancer). In 26 subjects, skin patch testing revealed allergy to mercury, gold or palladium. The median concentration of mercury was 10 nmol L-1 in whole blood, 3 nmol L-1 in plasma and 10 nmol L-1 in urine, i.e. normal levels. Earlier mental trauma was common, and in the psychological questionnaire SCL-90, clear tendencies to somatization were found. Only a few cases of severe psychiatric illness were observed. No positive correlation was found between the amount of amalgam and somatic symptoms or psychological effect parameters. Conclusions. The results do not support the hypothesis that release of mercury from amalgam fillings is the cause of amalgam disease', but suggest that there may be various explanations for the patient's complaints. >> Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. >> >> ******* A study will do nicely.********** Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. >> ******* A study will do nicely.********** There ia none. There is also no Anti amalgam liars. > Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. > > ******* A study will do nicely.********** Every scientific study has shown that amalgams cause no harm to the people who receive them. In this study, amalgam complaints were found to be psychiatric in nature, not related to mercury: Psychother Psychosom 2002 Jul-Aug;71(4):223-32 Psychological, allergic, and toxicological aspects of patients with amalgam-related complaints. Gottwald B, Kupfer J, Traenckner I, Ganss C, Gieler U. Department of Medical Psychology, University of Giessen, Germany. Background: To deepen the understanding of the numerous unspecific complaints which are related to the dental material amalgam both in patients and physicians, an interdisciplinary case-control study regarding toxicological, allergic, psychological and psychiatric aspects was conducted. Forty patients with amalgam-associated complaints were compared to a well-matched group of 40 amalgam bearers without complaints. Methods: Patients and controls underwent a dental examination, which included recording of the quantity, surface area and quality of amalgam fillings, a determination of the mercury load in blood and urine, an allergy examination including patch testing with amalgam and a psychometric assessment with questionnaires noting coping strategies (ABI-UMW-P), interpersonal problems (Inventory of Interpersonal Problems) and self-consciousness (SAM), the NEO Five-Factor Inventory, Symptom Checklist-90-R, Beck Depression Inventory and a screening instrument for somatoform disorders. Results: Patients and controls did not differ with respect to mercury concentrations in body fluids. Only 1 patient was found to have a positive amalgam patch test; various other allergies could be determined in 28% of patients (n = 11). Patients had higher levels of psychic distress, a higher incidence of depression and somatization disorders as well as different styles of coping with anxiety compared to controls. Conclusions: No indication for mercury intoxication or amalgam allergy as a cause of the patients' complaints could be found. The theory of amalgam-related complaints as an expression of underlying psychic problems is supported. Treatment should focus on somatization and changing coping and attribution styles. > Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. > > ******* A study will do nicely.********** Every scientific study has shown that amalgams cause no harm to the people who receive them. In these two studies, mercury from amalgams was found to cause no neurological harm: Environ Health Perspect 2003 May;111(5):719-23 Mercury derived from dental amalgams and neuropsychologic function. Factor-Litvak P, Hasselgren G, Jacobs D, Begg M, Kline J, Geier J, Mervish N, Schoenholtz S, Graziano J. Department of Epidemiology and Department of Environmental Health Sciences, Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, New York, New York, USA. There is widespread concern regarding the safety of silver-mercury amalgam dental restorations, yet little evidence to support their harm or safety. We examined whether mercury dental amalgams are adversely associated with cognitive functioning in a cross-sectional sample of healthy working adults. We studied 550 adults, 30-49 years of age, who were not occupationally exposed to mercury. Participants were representative of employees at a major urban medical center. Each participant underwent a neuropsychologic test battery, a structured questionnaire, a modified dental examination, and collection of blood and urine samples. Mercury exposure was assessed using a) urinary mercury concentration (UHg); b) the total number of amalgam surfaces; and c) the number of occlusal amalgam surfaces. Linear regression analysis was used to estimate associations between each marker of mercury exposure and each neuropsychologic test, adjusting for potential confounding variables. Exposure levels were relatively low. The mean UHg was 1.7 micro g/g creatinine (range, 0.09-17.8); the mean total number of amalgam surfaces was 10.6 (range, 0-46) and the mean number of occlusal amalgam surfaces was 6.1 (range, 0-19). No measure of exposure was significantly associated with the scores on any neuropsychologic test in analyses that adjusted for the sampling design and other covariates. In a sample of healthy working adults, mercury exposure derived from dental amalgam restorations was not associated with any detectable deficits in cognitive or fine motor functioning. J Dent. 2003 Sep;31(7):487-92. Memory functions in persons with dental amalgam. Dalen K, Lygre GB, Klove H, Gjerdet NR, Askevold E. Department of Clinical Neuropsychology, University of Bergen, Jonas Liesvei 91, N-5009, Bergen, Norway. Memory and psychophysiological variables in persons with self-reported reactions to dental amalgam (amalgam patients: N=26) and in persons without such symptoms (controls: N=21) were compared. The groups were matched regarding age, education, and amount of amalgam. Wechsler Memory Scale-Revised was obtained for all subjects and compared to amalgam points in a dose-response design. The results demonstrated that amalgam patients function on the same level as the controls regarding memory variables, attention, concentration, and delayed recall. Psychophysiological measures of skin conductance as correlates of attention and basal memory functions, were compared in the two groups. No differences between the two groups were observed and no correlation between memory variables and exposure to amalgam could be detected. > > Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. > > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > between memory variables and exposure to amalgam could > be detected. You may not have noticed that this reference highlights the lack of data supporting either argument. To wit, "There is widespread concern regarding the safety of silver-mercury amalgam dental restorations, yet little evidence to support their harm OR_SAFETY." Beyond that, there are a number of problems with each of these studies, for example the subject groups are too small to uncover prevalence of disease even in some smokers, much less poisoning by amalgams. If you were going to choose between being a smoker and being a recipient of mercury amalgams, of coure, the choice would clearly be in favor of amalgams. But that doesn't mean mercury amalgams are "safe." The BDA (British dental association) is far more cautious about the potential for harm from mercurcy leaching amalgams than the ADA in the U.S.. Further, the use of individuals "self-reporting" an association of symptoms to amalgam is a decidedly misleading protocol. There is no example of such methodology, to my knowledge, having been used at any time for the purpose of epidemiology and it represents a random selection process that frankly guarantees impertinence. Equally bad, it serves to re-direct attention from the potential for toxicosis by impugning the subjects for being mentally fractious. Other evidence: A 1987 study showed that the levels of mercury in the spinal fluid of MS patients was 8 times higher than normal. [Silberod, R: A comparison of mental health of multiple sclerosis patients with silver/mercury dental fillings; Psychological Reports 70: pp.1139-51, 1992]. Mercury levels in the heart tissue of individuals who died from Idiopathic Dilated Cardiomyopathy (IDCM) were found to be on average 22,000 times higher than in individuals who died of other forms of heart disease. [J Amer Coll Cardiology v33(6) pp.1578-1583,1999] In vitro studies suggest that even low, environmentally relevant exposure levels of mercury, which are not toxic, still contribute to immune dysfunction by interfering with proper lymphocyte functioning. [Scand J Immunol 50(3): pp.233-241] Dodes JE: The amalgam controversy. An evidence-based analysis. J Am Dent Assoc, 2001 Mar; 132(3): 348-56. Weiner JA, Nylander M: An estimation of the uptake of mercury from amalgam fillings based on urinary excretion of mercury in Swedish subjects. Sci Total Environ, 1995 Jun 30; 168(3): 255-65. Lorscheider FL, Vimy MJ, Summers AO. Mercury exposure from "silver" tooth fillings: emerging evidence questions a traditional dental paradigm. FASEB J, 1995 Apr; 9(7): 504-8. Siblerud RL, Motl J, Kienholz E: Psychometric evidence that mercury from silver dental fillings may be an etiological factor in depression, anger, and anxiety. Psychol Rep, 1994 Feb; 74(1): 67-80. Aposhian HV, Bruce DC, Alter W, et al: Urinary mercury after administration of 2,3-dimercaptopropane-1-sulfonic acid:correlation with dental amalgam score. FASEB J, 1992 Apr; 6(7): 2472-6. Two studies suggest risk from silver fillings. Chicago Tribune, Aug 15, 1990 Hahn LJ, Kloiber R, Vimy MJ, et al: Dental "silver" tooth fillings: a source of mercury exposure revealed by whole-body image scan and tissue analysis. FASEB J, 1989 Dec; 3(14): 2641-6. Eggleston DW, Nylander M: Correlation of dental amalgam with mercury in brain tissue. J Prosthet Dent, 1987 Dec; 58(6): 704-7. Patterson JE, et al: Mercury in human breath from dental amalgam. Bull Environ Contam Toxicol, 1985 Apr; 34(4): 459-68. Stortebecker P MD, PhD: Direct transport of mercury from the oro-nasal cavity to the cranial cavity as a cause of dental amalgam poisoning. Swedish Journal of Biological Medicine, 1980 Mar: 19. PeterB >>What is the scariest question for an altie? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'll wait. Please hold your breath while waiting.... >>>What is the scariest question for an altie? >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Please hold your breath while waiting.... You really are a slow learner. >>>>What is the scariest question for an altie? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You really are a slow learner. Coming from the least learned poster in this newsgroup. --Rich >>>>What is the scariest question for an altie? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You really are a slow learner. Non sequitur. Are you holding your breath like I politely asked? BTW, how about some real proof of those 38 years. The State of Indiana website does not have any information. > Right back at ya. > > Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. A study will do nicely. > > I'll wait. Are you still on this amalgam thing? It's like you can only play one note on your toy piano. You have anything else to share with the forum besides this one boring, sour note? Next you'll be trying to tell us that the mercury in fish is less dangerous than fillings. PU-LEE'ZE woman! >> Right back at ya. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Are you still on this amalgam thing? On it. In it. Totally absorbed in it. It's like you can only play > one note on your toy piano. Wrong. Jan also plays Liar! Liar! You have anything else > to share with the forum besides this one boring, sour note? > Next you'll be trying to tell us that the mercury in fish > is less dangerous than fillings. PU-LEE'ZE woman! I think she already said that about fish. >>> Right back at ya. >>> >>> Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. A study will do nicely. >>> >>> I'll wait. >>>>Right back at ya. >>>> >>>>Do post the proof of the safety of amalgams. A study will do nicely. >>>> >>>>I'll wait. Are you holding your breath like I asked? |
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