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Always tired, legs and arms feel heavy
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Jeff Blake - 26 Apr 2005 15:11 GMT Hi,
I have been having a problem for the last couple years that when I wake up in the mornings i feel more tired then I do when I went to sleep. Now I could have slept for 3 hours or 14 or the normal 8 and its the same thing. I generally get up at 6:45 to go to work for 7:30 and I am like to make it to 9 before I am dosing off at work. Some of the problems I am aware of that I have are.
1. 6 years ago my nose ran like a fosset and I got it checked out thinking it was allergies, though I did find out that I had allergies but nothing severe that would cause my nose to act like it did....but after a year and a half the problem went away. Well not totally cause till this day I still have a hard time breathing through my nose, its like both my nostrils or atleast one is still constantly partially blocked. Doesnt matter whether it is summer or winter so I cant see how that is due to allergies cause its like that 24 hours a day.
2. I grind my teeth apparently alot while sleeping, could this be causing me to not get a very restful sleep?
I am going to my doctor May 5th 2005 to get a check up and maybe get my iron level checked...not sure if that could be the reason...but I would like to know if there is anything else I should be asking my doctor to check out that would possibly cause my tiredness.
thank you for the help Jeff
Joel M. Eichen - 26 Apr 2005 18:24 GMT This sounds like amalgamitis .. .where is Jan Drew when we need her?
Joel
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > thank you for the help > Jeff Janna - 26 Apr 2005 18:48 GMT > how that is due to allergies cause its like that 24 hours a day. sounds like sinusitis, you might need an anti-biotic. Sinusitis can really make you feel bad and it can hang on for months. Good you're going to the doctor. Sometimes decongestants will help with that "plugged" feeling. Good luck.
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > thank you for the help > Jeff Coleah - 26 Apr 2005 19:15 GMT After several years of feeling plugged up like that I went to a ENT doctor who sent me for an MRI, sure enough one side was completely blocked and the other partially. After sinus surgery I don't get sinusitis anymore, breathe better getting warm moist air through my nose again and sleep better.
I took allergy shots for a time which helped with sensitivities also.
>> how that is due to allergies cause its like that 24 hours a day. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> thank you for the help >> Jeff Joel M. Eichen - 26 Apr 2005 20:38 GMT You wrote,
> >> 2. I grind my teeth apparently alot while sleeping, could this be > >> causing me to not get a very restful sleep? REPLY
This is definitely amalgamitis, according to Jan Drew anyway.
Joel
> After several years of feeling plugged up like that > I went to a ENT doctor who sent me for an MRI, sure [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >> thank you for the help > >> Jeff Jeff Blake - 28 Apr 2005 12:54 GMT wow thats crazy, how major a surgery is sinus surgery. Also what is an ENT doctor?
thanks jeff
> After several years of feeling plugged up like that > I went to a ENT doctor who sent me for an MRI, sure [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >> thank you for the help > >> Jeff Jeff Blake - 28 Apr 2005 13:27 GMT Coleah,
Did you notice after getting the surgery that you had more energy during the day cause of better breathing during sleep and day time breathing? Just curious cause at this point I find it hard to believe that I will ever feel like my old self again and it has been a real mental issue with me that has gotten me down for a very long time.
again thanks for your help
> After several years of feeling plugged up like that > I went to a ENT doctor who sent me for an MRI, sure [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >> thank you for the help > >> Jeff PeterB - 28 Apr 2005 17:57 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > thank you for the help > Jeff Have you evaluated your nutritional status? Do you exercise? What are your dietary habits? Do you have an existing medical condition? What are your stress triggers? Do you drink? Smoke? Do you take a multi-vitamin? Everything factors in.
I was in the same situation in 1992 and wondering why someone my age should be struggling to get out of bed. It turned out I was suffering a subclinical nutrient deficiency. I began taking a multi-vitamin and 6 mos later I was a new man. I haven't had chronic fatigue since.
You can spend thousands of dollars on tests and diagnostics, only to be offered a shot of b vitamins that might help tempoprarily, or try a simple experiment. Improve your nutritional status. Find a quality health food store (not an athletic supplement shop) and get a whole-food multi-vitamin. Avoid synthetic formulas, they don't do the job. If it costs you the price of a good meal to get a months supply, isn't your health worth it? Don't waste your money at the drug store. Try to improve your diet: eliminate trans fats, lower your sugar, eliminate caffeine, switch to whole grains. I eliminated my considerable sinus problems by switching to virgin coconut oil for all my cooking. In the process, I lowered my BP substantially and lost 20lbs. I would avoid the surgery option, it doesn't address the underlying causes. An advanced concept of allergic response recognizes that we aren't supersensitive to most external agents by nature; it happens over time as a result of deterioration of the digestive system, in response to dietary habits. Do a web search on "leaky gut" or check out this link. http://www.crossroadsinstitute.org/leakgut.html
itchy - 06 May 2005 20:00 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > thank you for the help > Jeff Hi Jeff,
The condition you describe is very common, especially in people over 50, although it can begin earlier. It is most common in people whose hair turned grey earlier than normal-eg. in their 30'sor 40's. It is not what we usually think of as a disease, but more like an imbalance in body chemistry. Grinding the teeth is a very common symptom of this condition, caused mainly by long term over-use of salt and foods high in sodium (frequently combined with smoking). The problem tends to get more serious as you get older. Eventually leading to difficulty digesting food. People with this condition are frequently smokers, and this makes the situation worse. The symptoms vary from day to day depending on what you eat. On the worst days you may be constantly grinding your teeth and biting down. You may also become angry easily and have violent thoughts.
It will take a determined effort on your part and several/many years to get out of this condition. It won't kill you quickly like cancer or heart disease, but it will lead to a pretty unhappy place if you don't radically change your diet (and stop smoking if you are a smoker). The usual American diet is your worst enemy. Practically everything is loaded with salt. -itchy
PeterB - 06 May 2005 20:19 GMT > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > loaded with salt. > -itchy Itchy, these are some interesting views but what is your basis for the idea that this is likely to be an imbalance in body chemistry, and what do you mean by this? Grinding of teeth is more likely to be a stress behaviour, consistent with bracing, a physical manifestation of stored stress effect. To my knowledge, these are behaviours common to people in general regardless of age, hair color, or genetics. Of cousre, those with specific nutrient deficiencies, particularly magnesium, are more likely to experience adrenal fatigue and thus exhaustion. Such deficiencies can physically affect hundred of enzymatic processes that are required for proper metabolism, digestion, blood flow, and even mental health. I do agree with you that diet is a hugely important factor.
Peter
itchy - 07 May 2005 01:18 GMT > > > Hi, > > > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > Peter Thanks for your response, Peter.
I know that what I posted probably can't be backed up by any medical studies, and I am not a medical professional, so I won't even try. I have the condition Jeff described, going back ten years. If Jeff's condition is the same as mine, and I am quite sure that it is, then modern medicine will not be able to help him. Even alt. medicine will not diagnose him correctly. He will continue to get worse. I say this from personal experience. The condition is a sort of "china syndrome", that is very difficult to reverse once it begins. I have made a study of it, in order to help myself.
The imbalance I refer to is a Yin/Yang balance. Everything in the universe is seeking it's balance point, including people. Some people are constitutionally too yin, or too yang. Some are more balanced. Those who are too yin originally will have a lifetime direction toward yang, and vvs. This is the most fundamental part of oriental diagnosis, i.e. being able to "see" the original yin/yang balance, and examining the life choices made in terms of movement toward balance. My original condition and possibly Jeff's was quite yin. You would describe me as having a weaker than average constitution. I'm more the artistic/creative type. I've made a lot of yang choices in my life. Somehow, I went past the point of relative balance and just kept going.
I have to go ship a package now so...
PeterB - 07 May 2005 20:11 GMT > > > > Hi, > > > > [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > > I have to go ship a package now so... Thanks, Itchy. I am glad to encounter a holistic thinker here. We need more of those and fewer pharma bloggers.
itchy - 08 May 2005 02:19 GMT > > > > In article <de05c4ef.0504260611.209d87a5@posting.google.com>, > Jeff [quoted text clipped - 153 lines] > Thanks, Itchy. I am glad to encounter a holistic thinker here. We > need more of those and fewer pharma bloggers. There is always good and evil in the world. And evil is always stronger. That is reality. -itchy
Mark Probert - 06 May 2005 22:47 GMT > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > usual American diet is your worst enemy. Practically everything is > loaded with salt. Diagnosing over the internet?
What a maroon.
Mark Probert - 06 May 2005 22:15 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > thank you for the help If you are going for a comprehensive physical your doctor may possibly find something that is causing your problem.
While there, ask about whether you should start exercising regularly, as your post makes no mention of anything positive.
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