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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / January 2005Liar Liar Mark Thorson
From: jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) - Date: 24 Jan 2005 05:05:28 GMT Local: Sun, Jan 23 2005 9:05 pm Subject: Mark Thorson Shows Us How The *gang* Works Posts what the *gang* said about Catholics. Evidently he is too stupid or ate up to know he is proving what I said. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040924222415.01015.00001086%40mb.... aol.com Subject: Re: Government Insider Says Bush Authorized 911 Attacks From: Orac orac_...@hotmail.com Date: 9/24/2004 9:15 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: <orac_usa-B14EA8.22154824092...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> In article <20040923214159.15280.00001...@mb-m22.aol.com>, jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) wrote: Subject: Re: Government Insider Says Bush Authorized 911 Attacks From: Orac orac_...@hotmail.com Date: 9/23/2004 7:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: <orac_usa-8461EC.20590723092...@news4-ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> In article <20040922220257.08241.00000...@mb-m10.aol.com>, jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) wrote: Subject: Re: Government Insider Says Bush Authorized 911 Attacks From: Orac orac_...@hotmail.com Date: 9/22/2004 5:50 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: <orac_usa-EAB162.18503522092...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> In article <20040921235801.23955.00000...@mb-m16.aol.com>, jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) wrote: I did not say the above. You lose. >Tell me, Jan. No, you tell me why you not only believed this lie, but repeated it. >No, you tell me, Jan. No, you tell me why you not only believed this lie, but repeated it. >How is it a "lie," when you yourself have repeatedly and explicitly stated that a major tenet of the Catholic faith There's the lie. *stated that a major tenet of the Catholic faith * I have stated nothing about the Catholic faith. This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.printcharger.com/emailStripper.htm ----- examples of earlier postings with Jan's statements about Catholics ----- There are none. Mark lies. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - >Subject: Re: body cleanses, do they work? >From: Eric Bohlman ebohl...@omsdev.com >Date: 9/22/2004 7:32 PM Central Standard Time >Message-id: <Xns956CC7BDED01Eebohlmanomsdev...@130.133.1.4> >Orac <orac_...@hotmail.com> wrote in >news:orac_usa-793274.20154522092004@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net: >> Alternatively, in addition to your speculation, it could just be Jan's >> concrete thinking coming to the fore. She didn't EXPLICITLY mention >> Catholics using the word "Catholics." Therefore, in her eyes, she >> couldn't possibly have meant Catholics when she said that "praying to >> saints comes from Satan." Inadvertently, I may have even contributed >The problem here is that much of Jan's apparent concrete thinking appears >to be merely an act; she does periodically demonstrate (when it serves her >purposes) that she actually can understand figurative and other non-literal >uses of language quite well. Bullies and bigots will often deliberately >"act dumb" because they somehow think it makes them look "tough." I >suspect, but can't prove, that it's really intended as an expression of >contempt: "I know you're smarter than me, but I don't value you for it." Such a pity one can't stand simply truth. Absolutley no bigotry, no act, nor any of the desperate accusations. Eric, do show us where we are instructed to pray to saints. Where did this belief come from? It is a man made rule and the work of Satan, placing saints before Jesus Christ. Jesus saith unto him, I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME." John 14:6 Jan No mention of the Catholic faith, by me. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040922212212.08241.00000817%40mb.... aol.com Subject: Re: body cleanses, do they work? - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - >From: Eric Bohlman ebohl...@omsdev.com >Date: 9/22/2004 7:09 PM Central Standard Time >Message-id: <Xns956CC3BC6C12Bebohlmanomsdev...@130.133.1.4> >Orac <orac_...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:orac_usa- >87BAF6.19550422092...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net: >> So perhaps Jan would like to clarify: WHOM was she referring to when she >> said that using saints as mediators between God and man "comes from >> Satan"? >In many ways, that's like asking her to name the "toxins" removed during a >"cleanse." It's quite possible that she isn't *consciously* intending to >make a reference to Catholics, but rather to some undifferentiated, scary >"them" out there. If so, then the fact that Catholics would account for >the majority of that particular group is merely coincidental; as Gordon >Allport pointed out in his classic _The Nature of Prejudice_, people who >are prejudiced against one "them" tend to be prejudiced against nearly all >"thems" and don't even treat them as distinct (Allport reported several >studies where people who were prejudiced against real-life groups were also >prejudiced against totally fictitious groups like "Danierians"). >Of course, it would be intellectual dishonesty on her part if she didn't >realize that her statement winds up slamming Catholics even if she didn't >intend it to. Unfortunately, bigots usually *are* intellectually dishonest >in exactly that way. The truth that praying to saints doesn't come from God, is in not way a bigot, nor prejudice. It is simply the truth. Jan No mention of Catholics, by me, nor any hatred. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040602133702.13763.00000187%40mb.... aol.com Subject: Re: Jan Drew, classic bigot From: "William A. Noyes" no.addr...@ctc.net Date: 6/2/2004 2:06 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <40bda670$0$19313$a32e2...@news.nntpservers.com> "Nana Weedkiller" <nanaweedkil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:M3Iuc.12468$Lq1.2433@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... <Rich.@.> wrote in message news:40ca091b.564236812@news-server.hawaii.rr.com... On 30 May 2004 01:23:08 GMT, jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) wrote: I have bashed no Catholics. In fact, our best friends are Catholics. Indeed. Some of Jan's best friends are Catholics:-)))))))))))) I wonder what her Catholic friends think when she tells them that praying to Saints is due to "Satanic" influence. http://tinyurl.com/2oybd Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan. Jan >Poor Jan. Her best friends are led by Satan. Birds of a feather:-)))) The only reason a fundamentalist like Jan is claiming friendship to Catholics is the chance to witness to them and to convert them. Fundies think it shows how brave they are to get close to the work of Satan and ,even better, having snatched a Soul away from Satan if you get a "convert". It's something to brag about at the weekly prayer meeting and a notch on their heavenly belt. Catholics, Fundamentalists, Orthodox, Calvinists, Lutherans, Church of England, and most other versions of christianity are dangerous when they get governmental authority behind them. RCs have a nasty history of intolerance. Granted they've got their share of turn about but their history with others was and is the cause. Catholic would insist the conquered convert or die, yet now they complain when another religion talks to their members about religion. LOL. Talk about Hypocrisy with a capital H. I have never mention Catholics. Praying to saints comes from man, not God, and indeed comes from Satan. Jan This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.printcharger.com/emailStripper.htm *I* didn't mention Cathlics, what's more Richard H Jacobson is a known and proven liar who as nuked his posts. Mark Thorson, also known and proven liar overlooks this fact. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040525010815.13455.00001025%40mb.... aol.com Subject: Re: Coleah's Blathering, False Statements Diagnosing & Judging From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 24, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-24...@limbercartel.com Date: 5/24/2004 6:34 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <cKnsc.40409$cz5.12717...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> "Jan" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040523005006.16730.00001770@mb-m12.aol.com... Subject: Re: Coleah's Blathering, False Statements Diagnosing & Judging From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 22, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-22...@limbercartel.com Date: 5/22/2004 8:25 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <Q9Lrc.23071$cz5.5503...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> "Jan" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040521020838.18279.00001378@mb-m23.aol.com... From: oorer...@aol.com (OOREROOM) Insults and belittling snippped. Nothing left. >Do something about your hate. Jan recognizes hate because she is an expert in dishing it out. From Mark Probert >f.ck off and die bitch. Mark is guilty of exactly his accusations. >I recognize your hate, which recently included Catholics in MHA. Just the opposite, not one word of hate towards any Catholics, in fact, I have never mentioned them with the execption of reply when I stated that our very best friends are Catholics. You see this is a perfect example of how things get twisted DELIBERATELY. God did not instruct people to pray to Saints, is a fact, and absolutely nothing to do with hate. Search Result 1 From: Jan (jdrew63...@aol.com) Subject: Re: Jan's other hatreds View: Complete Thread (12 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2004-02-07 21:26:33 PST Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Catholics, Mark Thorson wrote: Shows once again how Mark lies. In doing a search I found, I made one comment about Catholics. Unlike Mark, I'll show you where it is. From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63...@aol.com) Subject: Re: Links So Far On SLAPP Victory over "Quackbuster" Team Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-08-09 07:34:27 PST <snip> No one has ever said any religion is without fault. I personally think the Catholics have done many things wrong. OTOH my best friends are Catholic and you will find no better people anywhere. Therefore we talk about God and leave religion out. So as all can see I certainly do not hate Catholics. You can further see Mark's title is a LIE. Jan This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.printcharger.com/emailStripper.htm Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20031128180805.08361.00001014%40mb-... ol.com >Subject: Re: Homeopathic Pellets >From: "Peter Moran" mori...@gil.com.au >Date: 11/28/2003 2:25 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: ><3fc7cb6c$0$29940$61c65...@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.c om.au> >"Dash" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message >news:bq8d5b01ls6@enews1.newsguy.com... >> I am just a travel agent.........with a keen interest in alternative >health. >> I have been there and done that with the allopathic community, and >> so far have been let down. >> Unfortunately I tried alternative medicine as my "last resort"..and it >> has never let me down! >That is faint praise, is it not?. NO. It has NEVER let him down. >Why was it his *last restort*?? Because conventional medicine had NO answers?? > The majority of prevalent illnesses >and complaints tend to get better by themselves or with the aid of placebos. Who said anything about prevalent illness?? >If you had had a serious illness cured by homeopathy I am sure you would >have mentioned it. >Old medical saying: "Blessed is he who treats the patient LAST." As in an altrernative practitioner who found the cause of the illness, or as in conventional who had no answers and the patient died?? >This has also been refered to as the "St Agnes effect" (the last saint >prayed to). There's a huge mistake. NOWHERE is man instructed to pray to ANYONE OTHER THAN GOD THROUGH JESUS HIS SON. Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan. Jan *I* did NOT mention Catholics, nor show any hatred. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040524015357.02666.00001366%40mb-... ol.com - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - >Subject: Why does Jan Drew Hat >From: George.Lagerg...@juge.com (George Lagergren) >Date: 5/23/2004 7:49 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <349_200405232...@juge.com> >Aloha Rich posted: 004 05-232-04 21:46 >Jd> In any case I will continue to pray to Saint Jude, patron >Jd> saint of lost causes, >Jd> that something will happen that prevents Jan from posting in >Jd> thisnewsgroup since praying that she will change would take more than a >Jd> miracle. >Jd> Unfortunately my prayers have not yet been answered. However I believe >Jd> that there is justice in this world and soon my prayers will >Jd> be answered. I am patient. > For Aloha Rich --> It would be far easier to pray to Saint Jude, > patron saint of lost causes, that medical schools start teaching > their med students baseline (that is, diet & nutritional) > medicine rather than only pharm drug medicine. > Would Aloha Rich live long enough to see his prayer answered? All prayers to Saints bounce off the ceiling. No where did God instruct man to pray to anyone except him THROUGH his son Jesus Christ. Praying to Saints is a man made up rule, led by the help of Satan. Rich's prayers of hate will not be heard, and shows his despicable behavior. Philippians 4:6 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 1 Peter 3:12 - For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil. John 14 12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. Jan No mention of Catholics, no hatred. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040602133702.13763.00000187%40mb-... ol.com Poor Mark, this has already been posted. Thanks for showing us the works of he *gang* WHO mentioned Catholics and did their usual hate twisting. Reply What did I say that is a LIE? Provide proof, please. This is what PROOF looks like. I cite Jan's own words, quote her exactly, and provide Google links for anyone who wants to check the accuracy of the quotes. Jan is terribly frustrated she can't do the same thing to me. Too bad, Jan. That's the price of making false accusations, you can't back them up. You can only attempt to confuse the issue. You can't win. So sorry. NOT. :-) :-) :-) To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-m01.aol.com > >From: Mark Thorson nos...@sonic.net > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have NEVER accused anyone of > any such thing. > > So do prove your claim Mark!!!!! > > You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!! ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid shills ----- Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-fn.aol.com Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert. Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-fw.aol.com Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives off his wife. Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-ct.aol.com As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife. Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-mn.aol.com As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his own people. Here's another example of Jan's lies. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040924222415.01015.00001086%40mb-m15.aol.com I have stated nothing about the Catholic faith. ----- examples of Jan's hate-filled statements about Catholics ----- Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040922214509.08241.00000819%40mb-m10.aol.com Absolutley no bigotry, no act, nor any of the desperate accusations. Eric, do show us where we are instructed to pray to saints. Where did this belief come from? It is a man made rule and the work of Satan, placing saints before Jesus Christ. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040922212212.08241.00000817%40mb-m10.aol.com The truth that praying to saints doesn't come from God, is in not way a bigot, nor prejudice. It is simply the truth. Jan Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040602133702.13763.00000187%40mb-m27.aol.com Praying to saints comes from man, not God, and indeed comes from Satan. Jan Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=20040525010815.13455.00001025%40mb-m06.aol.com I personally think the Catholics have done many things wrong. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20031128180805.08361.00001014%40mb-m24.aol.com There's a huge mistake. NOWHERE is man instructed to pray to ANYONE OTHER THAN GOD THROUGH JESUS HIS SON. Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan. Jan Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040524015357.02666.00001366%40mb-m24.aol.com All prayers to Saints bounce off the ceiling. No where did God instruct man to pray to anyone except him THROUGH his son Jesus Christ. Praying to Saints is a man made up rule, led by the help of Satan. Quoting from this ORIGINAL POSTING from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040602133702.13763.00000187%40mb-m27.aol.com I have never mention Catholics. Praying to saints comes from man, not God, and indeed comes from Satan. Jan |
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