Hi
Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
(in graphical form) for you.
http://www.venus.co.uk/~alec/t1/shiphen/shiphen_oGTT_03.gif [just 35KB]
I knew you'd be pleased! (Esp. you Beav...) ;)
Key to graphs:
a) The magenta line
This is all the NHS would give me (so far)
A two hour, two point test, 75g of glucose (as Lucosade),
tesing venous blood. 12 hour fast.
Test date: today, 9/Jul/03
b) The Blue line
This is a detailed series of tests I did
on myself using a hand held device,
IN THE WAITING ROOM, during the NHS test above.
Duration: 6 hours.
Frequency: every 10 or 20 minutes.
Testing capillary blood (finger pricks).
c) The Green Line
This was another test by orthodox
private medicine. Again, only 2 hours long
but test frequency every 30 mins, this time.
Test date: 27/June
d) The Yellow Line
My original 100g test.
Suspiciously high "fasting" glucose
(I bicycled to work albeit slowly...).
Strange reactive spike of 10.8mm/L at
2:45 hours.
Test date: 14/May
NHS Conclusions:
"Normal - you dont have diabetis"
My preliminary conclusions:
1.
I am pleased to see that my hand held meter
is with a few %age point of the more accurate
venus clinical measurements today.
2.
The blue graph goes less high and does so less fast
than the (previous) yellow graph.
Also there was no "reactive" kick after the 2 hour
mark.
This is good, perhaps my recent "hypoglycemic" diet has
been paying dividents.
However a) I ate 25% less glucose
and b) it was in a different form today (Lucosade
rather than dissolved glucose with added Vit-C
from Boots) compared with 14th May 03.
3. There was a sudden plunge at 2:50 of about 2.1 mmol/L
which doesnt look too healthy.
4. Also I'm not too sure if my BG should be going
as high as 10.7!
5. Less "bouncing around" during the latter stages of
the test. Hopefully a good sign, though I am told
that it would be better if my BG was a little higher
say 5.5 to 6.5 towards the end of the test.
==> Any comments anyone?
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
P.S. In case anyone is interested here are some other
blood test measurements the private Endocrinologist
requested:
Sodium 142 mmol/L
Potassium 3.8 mmol/L
Urea 5.4 mmol/L
Creatinine 78 umol/L
Haemoglobin Alc 5.1 %
Calcium 2.38 mmol/L
Corrected Calc 2.34 mmol/L
Albumin 45 g/L
Urine Glucose nil
Testosterone 17.0 nmol/l
Cortisol 309 nmol/L
P.P.S. Any why havent I seen my private Endocrinologist
for his words of wisdom, yet. Because despite taking
a booking to see me this week, it turns out that he's
on holiday. Again.
PPPS Please excuse the degree of cross-posting, but all you guys
seem to have something relevant to say...
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Wesley Groleau - 10 Jul 2003 04:47 GMT
Blue & Magenta seem to say the same thing.
No comment otherwise.
Shiperton Henethe - 10 Jul 2003 15:32 GMT
By the way am I right in thinking
that the blue/magenta graphs also prove
"hypoglycemia" i.e. that eating glucose
drives my sugar levels low...
Thus presumably indicating an over-active
but slow responding insulin response.
The sharp drop of over 2 mmol/L just before
the two hour mark presumably also indicates
something not working right...
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
> Blue & Magenta seem to say the same thing.
>
> No comment otherwise.
Tsu Dho Nimh - 10 Jul 2003 13:03 GMT
>Hi
>
>Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
>(in graphical form) for you.
They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!
It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
and calm down an overactive pancreas.
Tsu
--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré
Shiperton Henethe - 10 Jul 2003 15:26 GMT
> moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!
Boll*x to that!
What (for e.g.) about about Dave's
point about heavy metal poisoning?!!
The correct medical procedure is
1. Work out what illness you have
2. Work out how bad it is
3. See if there is any obvious cause for the illness
4. Set about curing it.
Fine. I already have adjusted my diet.
But it hasnt made much difference yet.
And I am not about to ruin many, many months of my life
on a strict regimen of not drinking, and making
sure I eat 19 times a day (yes I exaggerate)
based purely on an amateur diagnosis.
Martin L Budd ("Low Blood Sugar" book) says that
there are various specific food supplements
all of which might help.
Also there are things that can be done directly
to support your glands. For example
if the real cause is partly hypothyroidism
then one can take Thyro Complex (Nutri),
T-lyph (Bovine Thyroid - Nutri),
Core Level Adrenal (Nutri)...
But if I am stiff with the heavy metals, then
I presume I need to try and get rid of the
bast*rds! I could waste my entire life
eating lentils and home-nitted whole meal
yoghurt and still feel like sh*te!
Ship
> >Hi
> >
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> dispense with the necessity of reflection.
> - Jules Henri Poincar?
Tsu Dho Nimh - 10 Jul 2003 16:53 GMT
>> moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!
>
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>3. See if there is any obvious cause for the illness
>4. Set about curing it.
>Fine. I already have adjusted my diet.
>But it hasnt made much difference yet.
It takes several months for the frequent meals to start making a
difference. And the rate of imprivement is directly related to
how rigidly you follow the snacking and eschewing of "bad stuff"
(note, I'm a medical technologost, and I've personally been there
and done that with hypoglycemia ... I know how the test are done
and whatthe normal curves look like.
>And I am not about to ruin many, many months of my life
>on a strict regimen of not drinking, and making
>sure I eat 19 times a day (yes I exaggerate)
>based purely on an amateur diagnosis.
So you would rather stay hypoglycemic and bitch about it?
>Martin L Budd ("Low Blood Sugar" book) says that
>there are various specific food supplements
>all of which might help.
So follow the book's suggestions if you think they are superior.
Tsu
--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré
Shiperton Henethe - 10 Jul 2003 20:52 GMT
> >Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
> >(in graphical form) for you.
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>
> Tsu
Just to get really clear about this
what features about my (blue) graph tell me it's not normal?
Would a UK medic accept it as evidence of hypoglycemia?
Ship
Sleepyman - 11 Jul 2003 00:46 GMT
>Just to get really clear about this
>what features about my (blue) graph tell me it's not normal?
>
>Would a UK medic accept it as evidence of hypochondria?
>
>Ship
Yes he would.
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Shiperton Henethe - 30 Jul 2003 20:43 GMT
Finally!
I have now just managed to get back to see my private
endocrinologist. He's one of the top endocrinologists
in the country (UK) and charges GBP 125.00 for half an hour.
And guess what he has diagnosed from all my results:
- I do NOT have diabetis
- I am NOT pre-diabetic
- I do NOT have Impaired Fasting Glucose
- I do NOT have Impaired Glucose Tolerance
- I do NOT have Reactive Hypoglycemia.
So thanks for all the advice ("BEAV" in particular).
I am now GBP 475 lighter (GBP 125+225+125)
and none-the-wiser.
(I showed him all my graphs as well for the record.)
My endocrinologist (Lister Hospital, London)
concedes that my glucose graphs are fractionally
strange and muttered about a "physiologically reactive
condition" but said that despite all the evidence
that my fatique goes up and down with my glucose
levels, he refused to accept that glucose regulation
was the problem, and the my GTT results are definitely
"normal".
He said I could try a small meals, with low fast
carbohydrate content, little or no fluids with the
meals. It might help a bit. "Try it for 3 months".
My answer is yes, it does help a bit, and I'm now
into my 3rd month.
His final recommendation was to go see this top
Psychiatrist fella who will give me CBT and
pump me full of anti-depressants.
Great. :( I've already tried both CBT, and anti-depressant
neither of which did much for me apart from the
anti-depressants which f***ed up my eyesight.
But my chronic fatique remained.
'Still, I'm open minded and might just give it
another bash.
But meanwhile, eat humble pie all you know it all
"he's pre-diabetic and wont accept it" bums!
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
> Hi
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