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Birch tea
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Gopher - 16 Jan 2005 21:32 GMT I'm new here. Before asking my question, let me be sure this is where I belong. I have only a very limited knowledge of herbs etc. and probably won't be of much use to others. I would be here to learn. If this is mainly a place where people who know a lot about this sort of thing discuss matters with each other, I probably wouldn't much fit in. I have quite a few questions, really, but let me just begin with one. I have a problems with muscle spasms -- legg cramps, and spasms in the back. I do have a couple of books on herbs and saw that birch is supposed to be good for muscle spasms as well as inflamation (which is a chronic problem with me.) So I was interested. If I am short on knowledge, I am even shorter on money. I have a birch tree right in my back yard, and am in an area where there are birch trees everywhere. I read that a tea can be made from the leaves. So can I just go out (when it is spring) and pick some leaves and boil them?
jampa - 16 Jan 2005 22:24 GMT > I'm new here. Before asking my question, let me be sure this is where > I belong. I have only a very limited knowledge of herbs etc. and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > read that a tea can be made from the leaves. So can I just go out (when > it is spring) and pick some leaves and boil them? The bark of the birch is very good also, be carefull not to peal a full strip around the tree, there are many good books and online resources about herbs,doing a search on google for birch bark, leaf will bring up lots of info, what and how we eat is the key to health, for inflamation, it is important to Avoid caffine, sugar, nightshade foods, chemical additives, perfumes and dyes in luandry soap can really irritate the body also, greens like kale and collards have a lot of bioavailable calcium and taste good, extra virgin olive oil is very helpfull for inflamation and as agenral health tonic, always use good quality extra virgin olive oil, from italy is best, they dont spray there olives with pesticides there, just pore the oilive oil on your food afre you cook or on salads with lemon, speaking of lemon, warm water with lemon squeezed in is great way to start the day, helps alkalize the body. water quality is so very important to health, only drink pure spring water, or get a good water filter. Hope you feel Better, Peace, Jampa
jampa - 16 Jan 2005 22:40 GMT Hi, the birch bark is also good medicine, becarefull not to peal around whole tree, there is lots of herbal information on the web, do a search on google for birch bark, leaf. Herbs are helpful, what we do and do not eat is also important, for inflamaiton it would be very important to avoid coffee, sugar, nightshade family foods, chemical additives, probaly gluten, also use natural body and laundry soap, with out perfumes and dyes, our skin can absorb a lot of chemicals, and when we wsash our clothes and bedding with toxic perfumes we inhale that stuff all the time, the chemicals used in laundry nd other soaps can be very disturbing to out bodies and minds. Greens are rich in calcium, like kale and collard greens they taste good also, extra virgin olive oil is excellent for inflamation and as a general tonic for our whole body, always use extra virgin from italy is best, they dont spray there olives there, make sure bottle says from olives grown in italy not just packed in italy, add olive oil after food is cooked or on soups and salads. Lemon is another medicinal food, warm water with half alemon squezed in first thing in morning is wonderful, helps alkalize body and better then cup of coffee. clean water is a must, spure spring water or a good water filter. aluminum cookware and teflon are very dangerous please dont use them.
Sunshine and laughter are Great! Peace Jampa
Mark Thorson - 16 Jan 2005 22:47 GMT > I have a problems with muscle spasms -- legg cramps, and spasms > in the back. I used to have a lot of problems with leg cramps, but not anymore. What seems to have worked is avoiding calcium-rich foods, specifically milk and tofu. (Calcium sulfate is used in making tofu, to curdle the soy protein.)
I'm not 100% certain that calcium is the culprit. I take mineral supplements with calcium, magnesium, and zinc in them, and they don't cause cramps. I also eat cheese now and then, and that doesn't do it either. It may be the dose -- back when I drank milk, I drank a lot of it, often a pint or even a whole quart in a day. And when I ate tofu, I would eat at least half of the block in a day.
My current dose of the mineral supplements is two tablets daily, which contain two-thirds of the US RDA of calcium. When I eat cheese, it's usually a few ounces at most.
jampa - 16 Jan 2005 23:07 GMT > I'm new here. Before asking my question, let me be sure this is where > I belong. I have only a very limited knowledge of herbs etc. and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > read that a tea can be made from the leaves. So can I just go out (when > it is spring) and pick some leaves and boil them? The bark of the birch is very good also, be carefull not to peal a full strip around the tree, there are many good books and online resources about herbs,doing a search on google for birch bark, leaf will bring up lots of info, what and how we eat is the key to health, for inflamation, it is important to Avoid caffine, sugar, nightshade foods, chemical additives, perfumes and dyes in luandry soap can really irritate the body also, greens like kale and collards have a lot of bioavailable calcium and taste good, extra virgin olive oil is very helpfull for inflamation and as agenral health tonic, always use good quality extra virgin olive oil, from italy is best, they dont spray there olives with pesticides there, just pore the oilive oil on your food afre you cook or on salads with lemon, speaking of lemon, warm water with lemon squeezed in is great way to start the day, helps alkalize the body. water quality is so very important to health, only drink pure spring water, or get a good water filter. Hope you feel Better, Peace, Jampa
Moderator of Naturopathic and Holistic Medicine - 17 Jan 2005 01:51 GMT I would suggest Calcium and Magnesium together - both in the citrate form. Better absorption. Its not that expensive and is better overall than birch bark. The amount of birch leaves you would need to consume is nuts. Unless you get it in tincture form. Lobelia tincture is also great for full body relaxation.
Stretch.
Exercise - swim, walk, yoga
Hot bath with therapeutic peat. Relaxes muscles, provides nutrients and removes metabolic waste. This is effective but wont address the nutrient deficiency. Why and what gave you the spasms - work, stress, nutrient deficiency, injury?
Valerian is an overall relaxant - if you're nervous.
Chamomile is also great for relaxing - and others - very cheap in bulk bins.
More information on therapeutic peat and how it works - http://healthegoods.com/content/spa1.htm
Get better!
Gopher - 17 Jan 2005 13:39 GMT > I would suggest Calcium and Magnesium together - both in the citrate > form. I'll check this out.
Also will check out the therapeutic peat. Know nothing about this.
> Why and what gave you the spasms - work, stress, > nutrient deficiency, injury? Several things, I guess. First a mild to moderate case of Rheumatoid Arthritis. Second, some joint injury in upper neck (had a ruptured disk that required surgical repair) and some in lower back. Third, overdoing exercise and then not doing any. (I'm 64 and still act like I am 25 sometimes, and then pay the price and then sit around and do nothing while a recuperate. Need to work on this. Accept it that a gentle stretching and exercise is what I need.)Those seem to be the main things as far as I know. There are some sources of fairly severe stress in my life, but in general I handle psychological stress pretty well. Am not really nervous
> Chamomile is also great for relaxing - and others - very cheap in bulk > bins. Yes. Its nice. I can find it wild aroung here.
positivehealth@gmail.com - 17 Jan 2005 08:21 GMT Dear Gopher I'm new here. So am I. Before asking my question, let me be sure this is where I belong. I have only a very limited knowledge of herbs etc. and probably won't be of much use to others. I would be here to learn. If this is mainly a place where people who know a lot about this sort of thing discuss matters with each other, I probably wouldn't much fit in.
Well, I am here to share my knowledge with any body who is genuinely interested in. Further, I would like to make contact with people who can devote to learning and spreading the knowledge without expecting monitory benifits.
I have quite a few questions, really, but let me just begin with one. I have a problems with muscle spasms -- legg cramps, and spasms in the back.
One must understand that there is a difference between cure and palliation. In palliation, the symptoms are suppressed for a while, so you feel better temperarily. In cure, once you feel better, the symptoms do not come back. But, it means recovery of your organic system, by your own repair mechanism. And, it can not be fast (not in minutes). In short, herbal teas also if they palliate, will be acting like modern medicines.
Herbs and homoeopathy can do miracles. But, it needs a lot of hystory and lot more symptoms. I can help you in relieving your problem if you provide this info. As far as herbs are concerned, I believe every region has its own herbs which are useful, and should be explored.
I do have a couple of books on herbs and saw that birch is supposed to be good for muscle spasms as well as inflamation (which is a chronic problem with me.) If I am short on knowledge, I am even shorter on money.
I donot know to which region you belong. Obviously, if the books refer to Birch for your problems, it must be antient knowledge. always respect it. You have nothing to lose and every thing to gain. If you are short on money, it does not necessarily mean you are short on courage. So I was interested. I have a birch tree right in my back yard, and am in an area where there are birch trees everywhere. I read that a tea can be made from the leaves. So can I just go out (when it is spring) and pick some leaves and boil them?
Try it. You will know the results. and, if you find it useful, many others will be benifited by your experience.
Gopher - 17 Jan 2005 13:47 GMT Thanks for the encouragment. I guess boiling some birch leaves and trying it won't poisen me. I'll give it a try.
Gopher.
Akal - 17 Jan 2005 22:33 GMT Well, I read the ensuing discussion. Jampa has witten, bark of Birch is lso useul. THat reminds me to tell you something. In many ayurvedic Medicines, it is the inside of the bark skin which is used for medicine. Especially, for trees that grow slowly and are sturdy and long lived. You can understnd that the bark takes a longer time to form and is stabler than leaf, and hence is more medicinal. But, you must not destroy the tree for your purpos. Teke only as much as is necessary for your good health. Remember, tree has life. And, in order to improve your condition, you are making it to suffer. So ask for its permission, tell it that you want to use it for your benifit, and ask for it's forgivance. You will definately be benifited by its use.
Gopher - 17 Jan 2005 23:08 GMT > Jampa has witten, bark of Birch is > lso useul. THat reminds me to tell you something. In many ayurvedic > Medicines, it is the inside of the bark skin which is used for > medicine. What is "ayurvedic" medicine? I would presume it has to do with the Vedas of India, but I don't think I ever heard of "ayurvedic medicine."
> Especially, for trees that grow slowly and are sturdy and > long lived. You can understnd that the bark takes a longer time to form > and is stabler than leaf, and hence is more medicinal. So do I just boil it? (I need the basics).
But, you must
> not destroy the tree for your purpos.... I agree with everything you say about the tree being a life in its own right and how it should be treated.
Gopher
Akal - 21 Jan 2005 08:28 GMT Especially, for trees that grow slowly and are sturdy and
> > long lived. You can understand that the bark takes a longer time to > form > > and is stabler than leaf, and hence is more medicinal. > > So do I just boil it? (I need the basics). Boiling in ayurved is done by putting lett us say two cups of water and boiling it to reduce it to half a cup Then take it once a day.
These methods of boiling vary largly from preparation to preparation, properties of the tree and the patient requirement. What I said above, is a gross generalisation. For example, in "Fant", one just puts boiling water on half to one tea spoon of the powder (about half a cup), leave it over night and drink in the morning, empty stomach. Again, the time of the day and whether to take empty stomach or after food will vary. If you have any problems, understanding, you are welcome to ask.
maison.mousse - 21 Jan 2005 08:47 GMT Akal a ?crit dans le message <1106296127.055826.14600@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
>Especially, for trees that grow slowly and are sturdy and >> > long lived. You can understand that the bark takes a longer time to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >food will vary. >If you have any problems, understanding, you are welcome to ask. Trees live long for many reason. One of the most important reason is that almost all tree bark is toxic. The only medical effect boiling up a bunch of birch bark and drinking it will have is to make you sick!!
JL
Gopher - 17 Jan 2005 13:47 GMT Thanks for the encouragment. I guess boiling some birch leaves and trying it won't poisen me. I'll give it a try.
Gopher.
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