Thanks for mentioning that again, John

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Love it! Keep it up.

Scopies's Law. You lose.

Very good John.  Exposing the itch's lies.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/real.html#10:

Lies

[See the 20 lies of pseudo-Skeptic Peter Bowditch and you will
understand why he projects that out with his constant 'anti-vaccine
liars' spiel.  It must be news to the US and UK governments about
vaccine not killings as they pay out every year for vaccine deaths.
Basic psychology.]

The real truth about vaccinations

By Australian Skeptics (Peter Bowditch)

October 13th, 2009, 12:41 pm

I want you to imagine a medical product which can save and has saved
many millions of lives, the majority of them children. (Lie: 10)

Imagine that the procedure is safe (not 100%, absolutely safe, of
course, because nothing is that) and has been used literally billions
of times with only a small number of bad reactions.(8,9)

It is cheap and can be administered by people with almost no training.
It is not very profitable for the pharmaceutical industry (2) because
research is expensive, but the buyers are mainly governments and
charities who are very cost conscious.

Now I want you to imagine that there is a highly organised opposition
to this procedure.

The opponents are prepared to lie without remorse about non-existent
dangers of the procedure (11,12) (and we know they are lying because
the truth has been pointed out to them many times).

They lie about the manufacturing process (20) and they even lie about
the ingredients in order to suggest that parents who allow their
children to undergo the procedure are sentencing those children to
eternity in Hell.

Researchers associated with the procedure are vilified and even
receive credible death threats.

It is even claimed that people undergoing the procedure might be
marking themselves out for extermination in a plan for global
genocide.

And what is this terrible procedure which is so awful that its
opponents have to discard all truth, science and apparently even
sometimes sanity to defeat it?

Vaccination.

I have often been accused of being offensive when I call the opponents
of vaccination "anti-vaccination liars". Well, what else can I call
people who lie about vaccines?

There is no anti-freeze in vaccines (16). There are no parts of
aborted foetuses in vaccines (17) and the Vatican has not advised
Catholics not to vaccinate their children because of this.

There is no pork in vaccines, so Muslims and Jews can safely protect
their children.

There are no microchips in vaccines that can be used to track your
location and schedule you for extermination (19). Vaccines are not
being used by the WHO and Save The Children to spread AIDS in Africa
as part of a plan of deliberate genocide (13). (You might think that
these last two, the microchips and the genocide, are things I just
made up. They are not, and I have been told both by people who are
highly respected in the anti-vaccination community.)

Vaccines do not cause autism, SIDS or Shaken Baby Syndrome (3,4,5).
Vaccines do not kill children.(1)

If you leave out the ones who are also claiming that there is no such
thing as swine flu and it is just a scare tactic to encourage people
to accept injections of microchips in preparation for a cull of 95% of
the world's population, and the ones who deny the safety and efficacy
of vaccines for commercial reasons, such as the purveyors of snake oil
and quackery(18), it is hard to determine the motivation of most of
the anti-vaccination campaigners.(15)

I used to think it was a hatred of children, but the almost rabid
opposition to the recently developed vaccine against human papilloma
virus suggests that they hate adult women as well.(6,7)

Cervical cancer is the fourth largest cause of female death from
cancer in the world (and the leading cause in developing countries),
but those 250,000 dead women each year are dismissed as insignificant.

Look at your children. Look at the kids in your local schools. Then
think about the latest figures from WHO that indicate about 2.5
million children under five are dying each year from vaccine-
preventable diseases(14), or about 7,000 each day. Then tell me that I
should be polite to the liars.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lie 1: >"Vaccines do not kill children."

Blimey, that is a big fat lie, perhaps you should tell the UK and USA
gov to stop lying as they have paid out for vaccine deaths
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/deaths.html

2. "It is not very profitable for the pharmaceutical industry."--
Bowditch

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/money1.html
INDUSTRY
[Feb 2008] The report predicts that due to the "promising commercial
potential" of new, high-price vaccines, the pediatric and adolescent
market will quadruple from approximately $4.3 billion in 2006, to over
$16 billion by 2016, across the US, the EU-five including France,
Germany, Italy, Spain, and the UK, and Japan.
            The crucial factor for success in the pediatric market,
the report notes, is the introduction of a product into national
vaccination schedules. "Along with reimbursement, this virtually
guarantees the rapid uptake and continuously high coverage rates in
the target population," Ms Kresse states.
            As an example, she cites Wyeth's Prevnar, as the first
premium price vaccine launched in the US in 2000 for vaccinating
infants against pneumonia and meningitis.
         Since then, Prevnar has been added to the childhood
vaccination schedules in the US and EU-five despite its high price of
nearly $320 for the 4-dose regimen. In 2006, Global sales reached
almost $2 billion, making Prevnar the first vaccine to attain
blockbuster status, according to the report. By 2016, Datamonitor
expects the total value of the infant market for pneumococcal vaccines
to increase to $2.3 billion.

PLUS the huge revenue from treating vaccine disease
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/diseases.html

eg Asthma drugs, and ear infections http://www.whale.to/vaccine/otitis.html

"BCG is a goldmine for ear, nose and throat specialists."--Dr Jean
Elmiger
MD

DOCTORS
�27,000 swine flu bonus for GPs (who already earn �107,000)
http://www.whale.to/a/now.html

[Nov 2006] Based on an average patient list of 5,000 people, if 70 per
cent of under-twos have ALL their jabs the practice gets a �2,655
bonus. But if 90 per cent of toddlers are fully immunised the bonus
rockets to �7,965. Surgeries are paid another �822 if 70 per cent of
under-fives have all their jabs. If 90 per cent of under-fives do
this. then the practice gets a bonus of �2,465. And if fewer than 70
per cent of children are vaccinated, then doctors get nothing.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article70331.ece

"Targeting patients for pneumococcal vaccination would mean immunising
5% and would bring in around �3,000."--Pulse article

"As far as I'm concerned, tetanus is not an infectious disease
characterised by muscle spasm but a bottomless pit of item-of-service
cash."--Pulse letter

"This practice could generate up to �3,700 from an effective annual
influenza vaccination campaign if it immunised 10% of the practice."--
Pulse article

3, 4, 5: "Vaccines do not cause autism, SIDS or Shaken Baby
Syndrome."--Chief vaccine liar Bowditch

Autism http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html

"We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over
the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in
children delivered by us who never received vaccines.......Every
doctor now essentially in this country has done something as heinous
as the Nazis did, unknowingly."----Dr. Mayer Eisenstein

"A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of
the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism?" ---
Dan Olmsted

SIDS http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sids.html

"I have never seen a SIDS death in a healthy breastfed baby,
unvaccinated, who has slept on anything from here to Timbuctoo. Over
the 19 years in IAS, we have never seen one."--Hilary Butler

SBS http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sbs1.html

It would be more correct to say vaccine deaths are hidden under the
dubious diagnosis of SBS

6,7: "I used to think it was a hatred of children, but the almost
rabid opposition to the recently developed vaccine against human
papilloma virus suggests that they hate adult women as well."

Vaccine critics don't hate children and adults, most have vaccine
damaged children, and most have done huge amounts of research into
vaccines, whereas Bowditch doesn't have any as far as I know, and
spends most of his time saying hateful things against vaccine critics
which suggests he is the one who hates.

8, 9: "Imagine that the procedure is safe (not 100%, absolutely safe,
of course, because nothing is that) and has been used literally
billions of times with only a small number of bad reactions."

Breastfeeding is safe, vaccination is dangerous as it can kill and
maim
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/safer.html

as shown by: National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program "The total
awards paid as of August 6, 2008 were $1,804,415,262.35

"Since 1990, between 12,000 and 14,000 reports of hospitalizations,
injuries and deaths following vaccination are made to the federal
Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, annually, but it is
estimated that only between 1 and 10 percent of all doctors make
reports to VAERS. Therefore, the number of vaccine-related health
problems occurring in the United States every year may be more than 1
million."---Barbara Loe Fisher
http://www.whale.to/m/vaers4.html

and now 1 in 5 kids has asthma, most of which is from vaccines

"Today, there are about 150 vaccines being worked on, and within the
next decade, we could have a flu vaccine for the left nostril and one
for one right nostril. Mankind will be used as a pin cushion. For
every vaccination, minimal encephalopathy destroys brain cells. As a
result, in Germany, there are 1.2 million children who have contracted
hyperkinetic syndrome who are then treated with Psychopharmeca (a drug
similar to Ritalin) used to calm them down... We have hundreds of
thousands of so-called minimal cerebral dysfunction cases and millions
of neurodermatitis patients. In Germany, there are millions of people
with allergies. We don't just produce minimal encephalopathies in the
brain, but we also produce modifications of the genetic code."--Dr
Buchwald MD

10: "I want you to imagine a medical product which can save and has
saved many millions of lives, the majority of them children."

If you study smallpox vaccination any 12 year old school kid could
figure out (given the real stats) that it killed over a million over
200 years

In 1880 it was killing 25,000 children under 5
http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html

as proven easily by Leicester who didn't vaccinate for decades, as
shown by Biggs using Leicester stats as well as other gov stats
http://www.whale.to/a/biggs1.html

A good example in 1920 was the Phillipines and numerous other
countries
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/quotes10.html

Over 90% of the victims had been vaccinated, as the vaccine was the
main spreader of smallpox, not surprisingly as arm to arm vaccination
was the vogue as late as 1890.

The classic case of 'saving' lives was when it introduced syphilis
into Hawaii, as well as spreading it around the world
http://www.whale.to/a/vaccine_syphilis.html

With measles, deaths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination and the
vaccine kills more than measles would be doing with or without
vaccination
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/measles.html

11. "The opponents are prepared to lie without remorse about non-
existent dangers of the procedure (and we know they are lying because
the truth has been pointed out to them many times)."

Non existant is a big fat lie http://www.whale.to/vaccines/diseases.html

Non existant means not one vaccine reaction or death, which is absurd.

12. And he can't find any example of deliberate lying while we have an
arm list of vaccine lies http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html

vaccine critics may make mistakes but I have yet to find anyone lying,
the need isn't there.

13. "Vaccines are not being used by the WHO and Save The Children to
spread AIDS in Africa as part of a plan of deliberate genocide."

Plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise
http://www.whale.to/v/biowarfare.html

start with Nkuba http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html

14. "2.5 million children under five are dying each year from vaccine-
preventable diseases."

Vaccines don't prevent disease, they give disease
http://www.whale.to/a/vpd.html

15. "it is hard to determine the motivation of most of the anti-
vaccination campaigners."

Any moron can work it out

16. "There is no anti-freeze in vaccines."

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/antifreeze.html

17: "There are no parts of aborted foetuses in vaccines "

http://www.whale.to/v/fetal.html

18:  "ones who deny the safety and efficacy of vaccines for commercial
reasons, such as the purveyors of snake oil and quackery."

Snake oil and quackery is a lie, they are just the competition to
Allopathy
http://www.whale.to/p/quacks.html

the real snake oil is 98% of Allopathy, like vaccination

19: "There are no microchips in vaccines that can be used to track
your location."

Who knows what the chips are for but they are in some vaccines
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/nano_particles.html

http://www.whale.to/b/implants.html

20: "They lie about the manufacturing process"

No we don't. http://www.whale.to/a/manufacture.html

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It isn't, that was my theory.

race).

That isn't the makow definition.

you have to label the plot and it sure looks like feminism is the best label
if you look at it's history, eg Steinham's CIA background.

True, but we need mothers looking after children first and foremost as
damaged children create a damaged society

The problem is psychopathy and psychopaths, essentially, male and female.

Don't forget Hilary Clintion, Albright, Rice, and who was that ghastly New
Labour woman who shafed the farmers?

and also the covert-hostile script which is the script of most feminists,
you only have to read about their father relationships to get some idea what
is going on there.

apart from that all people, male or female should be affored the same rights
and respect.

I suspect the worst of the patriarchial societies was down to psychopathic
and covert-hostile men.

john

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/148141-The-Trick-%20of-the-Psychopath-s-Trade-
Make-Us-Believe-that-Evil-Comes-from-Others

When you come to understand that the reins of political and economic power
are in the hands of people who have no conscience, who have no capacity for
empathy, it opens up a completely new way of looking at what we call "evil".
Evil is no longer only a moral issue; it can now be analyzed and understood
scientifically.

Early in the book, Lobaczewski describes his experiences in university where
he first encountered the phenomenon. He went into the library to get some
books on the question of psychopathy and found to his amazement that they
had all been removed! This fact demonstrates a self-awareness of their
difference amongst at least some of them, and in the case of Poland under
communism, of those in a position of power highly enough placed to get books
removed from the university library. Laura said reading that passage made
the hair stand up on her neck! The implications of this fact are
far-reaching in understanding our world, how it got that way, and what we
need to do to change it.