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Another circumcision horror story (2)

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Martin - 14 Aug 2009 15:16 GMT
Yet another circumcision horror story.

<http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6567872.html>:

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A Houston couple argued over whether to have their 5-week-old infant
circumcised the day before his mother cut off the boy's penis and
testicles, leaving a perfectly square wound and a childhood of
reconstructive surgeries, prosecutors told a jury Monday.

“Now he's more than circumcised,” Assistant District Attorney Denise
Oncken said.

Oncken said Katherine Nadal, 28, argued for the circumcision after
spending the afternoon injecting cocaine. Camden Gothia, 38, testified
that he argued against it because of the pain it appears to cause.

Earlier Monday, prosecutors told jurors that Nadal completely severed
the baby's genitals on March 13, 2007, then dispassionately watched
neighbors, paramedics and surgeons work to save the boy's life. None
of the child's parts was recovered.

Nadal is charged with injury to a child, causing serious bodily
injury, a first-degree felony. If convicted, she faces a maximum
sentence of life in prison. She remains in jail in lieu of $75,000
bail.

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What sort of parent looks down at their new-born baby boy's penis,
doesn't like what they see, and decides to have cosmetic surgery
performed on it?

Supporters of circumcision can only come up with two arguments to
support their fetish:

1. they don't like the look of an uncircumcised penis;

2. the uncircumcised penis smells and the circumcised penis doesn't,
therefore circumcised men don't need to shower as often as
uncircumcised men.

These are two arguments that the majority of men either disagree with
or are things they happily live with.

Waits for the newsgroup clown to say "This is not related to
circumcision per se."
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Jack - 14 Aug 2009 16:16 GMT
There is a strange, world-wide, tendency among parents to cut their
babies' genitals.  Boys and girls, to greater or lesser degree,
throughout ages.  From the South Pacific to Dear Old England.
Andrew Usher - 14 Aug 2009 17:33 GMT
> There is a strange, world-wide, tendency among parents to cut their
> babies' genitals.  Boys and girls, to greater or lesser degree,
> throughout ages.  From the South Pacific to Dear Old England.

Actually, it's not strange at all, to people that think.

Andrew Usher
Jack - 14 Aug 2009 18:13 GMT
> > There is a strange, world-wide, tendency among parents to cut their
> > babies' genitals.  Boys and girls, to greater or lesser degree,
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>
> Andrew Usher

I'da thought even you would agree with the "girls, to greater or
lesser degree."  Yours is a radical viewpoint.
Martin - 14 Aug 2009 22:16 GMT
>>There is a strange, world-wide, tendency among parents to cut their
>>babies' genitals.  Boys and girls, to greater or lesser degree,
>>throughout ages.  From the South Pacific to Dear Old England.

>Actually, it's not strange at all, to people that think.

It certainly seems strange to me that parents, and others, want to
take a knife to children and hack bits off.

The more I think about it, the stranger it seems.
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David Canzi - 17 Aug 2009 05:32 GMT
>> There is a strange, world-wide, tendency among parents to cut their
>> babies' genitals.  Boys and girls, to greater or lesser degree,
>> throughout ages.  From the South Pacific to Dear Old England.
>
>Actually, it's not strange at all, to people that think.

Here is what one thinking person thought:

"When will we realize that the fact that we can become accustomed
to anything, however disgusting at first, makes it necessary to
examine carefully everything we have become accustomed to."
-~ George Bernard Shaw

Shaw was commenting on the flogging of school children, a practice
once accepted as normal and proper.  Children who grew up seeing
it done routinely became adults who accepted it unthinkingly as
the normal thing.  Only the people who think questioned it.

Circumcision is similar.  Because it is prevalent, unthinking
people perceive it as normal.  Because one generation perceives
it as normal, it becomes prevalent in the next generation.

Thinkers can recognize when some of their own society's common
beliefs and practices are absurd, and question them.  It is the
non-thinkers who chronically mistake what they are accustomed to,
the way things are, for the way things should always be.

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Jake Waskett - 17 Aug 2009 10:52 GMT
> In article
> <30dd6ffa-94e3-42f3-87ab-669705e398ff@a13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
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>
> Circumcision is similar.

That sentence is the weak point in your argument.

> Because it is prevalent, unthinking people
> perceive it as normal.  Because one generation perceives it as normal,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> chronically mistake what they are accustomed to, the way things are, for
> the way things should always be.
Andrew Usher - 17 Aug 2009 18:17 GMT
> Circumcision is similar.  Because it is prevalent, unthinking
> people perceive it as normal.  Because one generation perceives
> it as normal, it becomes prevalent in the next generation.

But this is not actually an argument against circumcision. It's simply
a factual claim about why people might not question it.

I could come up with some good analogies, but I don't think I need to.

Andrew Usher
Jack - 17 Aug 2009 20:16 GMT
On Aug 17, 1:17 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> David Canzi wrote:
> > Circumcision is similar.  Because it is prevalent, unthinking
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Andrew Usher

David's quote tells us why parents mindlessly agree to something so
bizarre as unanesthetized penis surgery for their healthy newborns.
 
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