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Martin - 07 Mar 2008 20:57 GMT
<http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=856>:

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An international team of researchers has developed a novel strategy
against HIV. They added two genes to immune cells which ‘transformed
them into potent weapons that destroy cells infected with HIV, the
virus that causes AIDS.’ This idea of ‘genetically engineering immune
cells to redirect their infection-fighting ability toward killing
HIV-infected cells could lead to an entirely new approach for
combating AIDS.’ This research looks promising, but it’s only working
in labs right now.

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And I'd stake my life on it not working in the real world.  None of
the HIV breakthroughs during the past 25 years do.

Whatever it is mentally challenged scientists label as HIV in their
Petri dishes isn't the same as HIV outside the lab, which explains why
flaky HIV science limps from one disaster to another.
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Scott Ley - 09 Mar 2008 13:23 GMT
> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=856>:
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> Petri dishes isn't the same as HIV outside the lab, which explains why
> flaky HIV science limps from one disaster to another.

Hello, Martin.  It's as though the HIV changes
its RNA for each host.  Okay, say you divide the
genes into two sets.  One set is made up of the
genes that are "species specific", i.e., they are
the ones that, say, make us "human" instead of
some other species.  The other set are more
"changeable", and account for the more subtle
differences among individuals of a species.

Now, with these two sets in mind, the HIV goes
into a host, invades the bloodstream and begins
to blow out the T4 guardians.  It's as if the HIV,
as it proliferates, takes on an individuality that
is different for each individual it inhabits. While
the HIV's species-specific gene set usually stays
the same (subject to rare random mutation), the
other gene set in the virus is purposefully altered
(as a natural function of the virus) in line with
the DNA of the host.

Maybe it is this individualization, coupled with
the astounding capability of HIV to hide, that
makes the virus so elusive?  (that's assuming
that it actually does exist, as you seem to deny
in your posts)

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Martin - 09 Mar 2008 19:35 GMT
>Now, with these two sets in mind, the HIV goes
>into a host, invades the bloodstream and begins
>to blow out the T4 guardians.  It's as if the HIV,
>as it proliferates, takes on an individuality that
>is different for each individual it inhabits.

[...]

>Maybe it is this individualization, coupled with
>the astounding capability of HIV to hide, that
>makes the virus so elusive?  (that's assuming
>that it actually does exist, as you seem to deny
>in your posts)

I think you've been watching too much science fiction.

Does your theory explain why HIV is primarily drawn to gays and
blacks?  Specifically, has HIV discovered the 'gay gene?'

And why is HIV RNA found in individuals who don't have HIV?
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Death - 10 Mar 2008 17:30 GMT
> >Now, with these two sets in mind, the HIV goes
> >into a host, invades the bloodstream and begins
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> I think you've been watching too much science fiction.

Cool. Many things in the real world are in use today due
to science fiction writers.

> Does your theory explain why HIV is primarily drawn to gays and
> blacks?  Specifically, has HIV discovered the 'gay gene?'

Hahaha, a smoke screen from you Martin?
HIV is not drawn to any group.
HIV is invited by personal behaviors and bad choices.

Perhaps you have heard the phrase:
play with fire and get burned?

> And why is HIV RNA found in individuals who don't have HIV?
Martin - 10 Mar 2008 20:52 GMT
>> I think you've been watching too much science fiction.

>Cool. Many things in the real world are in use today due
>to science fiction writers.

LOL.  It's easy to forget about all the crud they also speculate
about.

>> Does your theory explain why HIV is primarily drawn to gays and
>> blacks?  Specifically, has HIV discovered the 'gay gene?'

>Hahaha, a smoke screen from you Martin?

Smoke and mirrors: the foundation of HIV science. :)

>HIV is not drawn to any group.
>HIV is invited by personal behaviors and bad choices.

You probably blame bottom sex; I blame believing in fairy stories.

>Perhaps you have heard the phrase:
>play with fire and get burned?

Don't condoms, lemon juice and seaweed gel prevent that happening?
Works for HIV, or perhaps not. :)
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Scott Ley - 12 Mar 2008 19:25 GMT
>>Now, with these two sets in mind, the HIV goes
>>into a host, invades the bloodstream and begins
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>
> I think you've been watching too much science fiction.

Could be, but medical science seems to be a
rather unproductive read on all this.  Perhaps
thinking like an SF writer is what it takes?

> Does your theory explain why HIV is primarily drawn to gays and
> blacks?  Specifically, has HIV discovered the 'gay gene?'

Maybe it's because gays and blacks are more
into anal sex than other groups?  I've read
that HIV is passed moreso by blood than by
any other fluids.  And anal sex often involves
bleeding to one degree or another.  This may
be why it seems more difficult for women to
contract HIV?  Women would almost have to
have anal sex with an HIV+ man who has
lesions on his package.

> And why is HIV RNA found in individuals who don't have HIV?

That last one is a good one.  I don't have a
clue about it.  It seems logical, though, that a
person who carries the RNA of a virus, and yet
antibodies for the virus cannot be found, has
had the virus and has it no more, or still has
the virus, which would be in "hiding mode"
long enough for the antibodies to clear the
system.

Does anybody know if HIV antibodies ever
actually clear a person's system?

And besides, since a virus like HIV is little
more than its RNA, how is it that the two
(the HIV and the RNA) are distinguished?

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