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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / March 2008How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ?...
How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm > How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ?http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm The only ways I know of are: 1) Surver their exclusive partners for HPV; 2) Sever, macerate, and execute PCR detection of HPV on the poor fellow's penises. No, really, I think that is the only other way. Seriously! I just went to an HPV seminar by a local urologist this Sunday. That's pretty much it; there might be one viral particle lodged in a skin cell somewhere on a man's penis, and no swab will detect the virus, and any small sample might miss a damaged/infected cell. Is there any consensus on this from group members? And by the way, HI! Nice to drop by. Doug Goncz Replikon Research Seven Corners, VA 22044-0394 > How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? Did you bother to read the article at your own link? "Currently, there is no test designed to find HPV in men." > http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm "HPV is very common and most men with HPV will never develop health problems from it." >> How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm That is not, of course, the same of saying that there's no test that will find HPV in men. That only says that the FDA hasn't approved, for men, the test that is used for women. There's no reason the same test couldn't be used for men, except that many insurance companies won't pay for an "off-label" test. > >> How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That is not, of course, the same of saying that there's no test that > will find HPV in men. There apparently is no test approved for detecting HPV in men. > That only says that the FDA hasn't approved, > for men, the test that is used for women. There's no reason the same > test couldn't be used for men, How do you know this? > except that many insurance companies > won't pay for an "off-label" test. Doctors can generally prescribe what they want, even off-label, and insurance companies will pay for it. > > >> How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Doctors can generally prescribe what they want, even off-label, and > insurance companies will pay for it. Doctors can't cure what Scott Salberg has, see below: http://blobtardia.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default On Feb 29, 2:43 pm, "ªºªandcarole" <bobandcarole...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > http://blobtardia.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you posted the wrong link there, Blobtardia! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! > On Feb 29, 2:43 pm, "ªºªandcarole" <bobandcarole...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > I think you posted the wrong link there, Blobtardia! And you took the hook and swallowed perfectly, faggot. How does it feel to have your actual picture posted all over usenet?? See below :-) What's stupid is the fact that you can't post anything but a forged "screenshot" Lets see some pictures, like this Scott Allen Salbergs family never evolved http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/index.html Pay close attention to how grotesque his family is. You will notice the inferior cranial development and the slightly sloped foreheads reminiscent of Neanderthal man. One has to wonder if their knuckles drag the ground as they walk. Obviously this family never evolved. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/index.html On Feb 29, 2:54 pm, "ªºªandcarole" <bobandcarole...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 29, 2:43 pm, "ªºªandcarole" <bobandcarole...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > - Show quoted text - http://blobtardia.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default >> >> How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >How do you know this? Viruses don't care what gender you are. Look at some of the studies by Joel Palefsky in the Journal of Infectious Diseases; he and his colleagues have done genotyping of HPV in men using PCR. So it's possible, and the results pass peer review. >> except that many insurance companies >> won't pay for an "off-label" test. > >Doctors can generally prescribe what they want, even off-label, and >insurance companies will pay for it. I used to work for a PPO, and we would (in general) pay for off-label drugs, but not off-label tests. I had to fight them over that myself - they wouldn't pay for a PSA, even though my father had already died of prostate cancer before he had reached my age at the time - and there appears to be a genetic component to prostate cancer. > >> >> How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Viruses don't care what gender you are. We aren't talking about the virus here. We are talking about the test. > Look at some of the studies by Joel Palefsky in the Journal of > Infectious Diseases; he and his colleagues have done genotyping of HPV > in men using PCR. What does genotyping have to do with anything? From what I read here ( http://www.thehpvtest.com/over-30/HPV-test-the-pap-HPV-faq.html#whatis ) the HPV test uses CERVIX cells. Men don't have cervixes. So how can this same test be done on men? > So it's possible, and the results pass peer review. What's possible? Testing men? Have they found a way to test non- cervix cells? Is there a blood test? Passing peer review doesn't imply automatic FDA approval. Has the method been submitted to FDA for approval? Does it need to be? If not, why isn't some company out there trying to profit from this? > >> except that many insurance companies > >> won't pay for an "off-label" test. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of prostate cancer before he had reached my age at the time - and > there appears to be a genetic component to prostate cancer. I've actually never heard of an off-label test before this discussion and a Google search on "off-label lab test" returns no results. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=off-label+lab+test Since the HPV test in women uses cervix cells, clearly this same test cannot be used in men. If another test exists, it must be in the pipeline awaiting FDA approval. Surely some company would want to profit off of such a test. >> >There apparently is no test approved for detecting HPV in men. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >What does genotyping have to do with anything? OK, if I have to spell it out, genotyping of HPV. Which implies that HPV is being detected. >From what I read here ( http://www.thehpvtest.com/over-30/HPV-test-the-pap-HPV-faq.html#whatis >) the HPV test uses CERVIX cells. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >What's possible? Testing men? Have they found a way to test non- >cervix cells? Yes - they test other epithelial cells. Look at the papers I suggested. > >> >There apparently is no test approved for detecting HPV in men. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You didn't provide links and I'm not much interested in HPV to begin with, so I'll pass. "ScottyFLL" <ScottyFLL@gmail.com> Long time Scotty, how are tricks? Is Noone still being a pain in the a.s? > "ScottyFLL" <Scotty...@gmail.com> > > Long time Scotty, how are tricks? > Is Noone still being a pain in the a.s? I kicked a.s good AGAIN, and now she's got her tail between her legs and is cowering in a corner somewhere. She's scared of me. :-) > "ScottyFLL" <Scotty...@gmail.com> > > Long time Scotty, how are tricks? He's still sucking dicks and humiliating himself. On Feb 29, 7:39?pm, "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote: > "ScottyFLL" <Scotty...@gmail.com> > > Long time Scotty, how are tricks? He's still sucking dicks and humiliating himself. How you doing Bob? You still driving the faggies nuts? > > >> How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Doctors can generally prescribe what they want, even off-label, and > insurance companies will pay for it. "Details" buttons at this shortened link may say whether any tests may be used on male cells (say from the meatus): http://www.biokits.com/kitssearch-product.html?srword=hpv 5 kits identified in the search when I ran it. There's a lot more to read to answer the question. Now, the urologist at our poly group's HPV SIG meeting said if we did innoculate men, we could wipe out this disease. Yes, that is right, IM Gardasil produces immune response to those four high-risk strains in men, but we can't really justify exposing men to the risk of innoculation en masse; if there were even one lawsuit from an anaphylactic reaction, the whole program would shut down and nobody would get any innoculations, ever. I'm fascinated by HPV. Doug On Mar 2, 7:10 am, The Dougster 22044 USA <Doug. 703.475.7...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Details" buttons at this shortened link may say whether any tests may > be used on male cells (say from the meatus): [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - One clinic I used to work at tested men for HPV (off-label, I'm sure) by having them collect a urine specimen in a liquid-based (ThinPrep) Pap bottle. Dunno how accurate was, and it's the only place I've ever seen it done. You might run that one past your urologist colleague and get his thoughts on it. Eilinel > On Mar 2, 7:10 am, The Dougster 22044 USA <Doug. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > seen it done. You might run that one past your urologist colleague and > get his thoughts on it. Well, Eilinel, recent studies show HPV particles in semen, and in the disected vas deferens from vasectomy, so, this seems reasonable. CDC says MSM like me may request an anal Pap, so I'll ask when I see my uro in April for more extensive knowledge of my HPV status: what strains am I carrying, where are they, and is there any cell damage. I believe a Pap spatula scraping from the meatus urinaris would be a good starting place as well. I am seeing PPVA in a week, and they will be more sex-positive than my uro. He's old-school. "Multiple partners" I said. "Condoms!" he said. Not even a sentence. Not exactly in denial, though. I think he's actually jealous. :) Doug On Mar 2, 7:10 am, The Dougster 22044 USA <Doug. 703.475.7...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Gardasil produces immune response to those four high-risk strains in > men, Now, of course, innoculating someone against something, and testing for that something, are two different animals. > but we can't really justify exposing men to the risk of > innoculation en masse; It would have to go through the same process as the trials performed with women. > if there were even one lawsuit from an > anaphylactic reaction, the whole program would shut down and nobody [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > On Mar 2, 7:10 am, The Dougster 22044 USA <Doug. > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - WRONG! Details on my blog! Be sure to scroll down http://blobtardia.blogspot.com/ > How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ?http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm Compare your sores with Scott Allen Salbergs. See Below: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/index.html Pay close attention to how grotesque his family is. You will notice the inferior cranial development and the slightly sloped foreheads reminiscent of Neanderthal man. One has to wonder if their knuckles drag the ground as they walk. Obviously this family never evolved. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/index.html > > How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ?http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Obviously this family never evolved.http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/inde... Please be sure to visit bobandcarole's blog, where they have pictures. http://blobtardia.blogspot.com/ o O o o O o O o o o o oo o o Fart Bubbles > > How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ?http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Obviously this family never evolved.http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/inde... Scott Allen Salbergs family never evolved http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/index.html Pay close attention to how grotesque his family is. You will notice the inferior cranial development and the slightly sloped foreheads reminiscent of Neanderthal man. One has to wonder if their knuckles drag the ground as they walk. Obviously this family never evolved. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/index.html I knew when I saw the subject line, it was posted by Don Skalad or Saklad as he is better known. > How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ? > http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm > How do you test men for genital human papillomavirus HPV ?http://www.cdc.gov/STD/hpv/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm See my blog for additional information. http://scottsalberg.blogspot.com/
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