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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / March 2008Who pays to provide Viagara for AIDS patients?
Someone mentioned the government's refusal to pay for a minor operation on an AIDS patient, yet the same gov't will pay for Viagra and other erection pills for the same AIDS patient. $15 per pill times dozens or hundreds per month times millions of AIDS patients, not including the cost of treating the recipients of the Viagra-induced, HIV-infected boners. This is a true story and much of the free Viagra is traded for crystal meth and other drugs to fuel wild sex orgies. >Someone mentioned the government's refusal to pay for a >minor operation on an AIDS patient, yet the same gov't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the cost of treating the recipients of the Viagra-induced, >HIV-infected boners. Have you considered working for UNAIDS? They seem to specifically employ people with numeracy skill problems to calculate HIV and AIDS statistics. Even in the US, which has the loosest definition for AIDS outside of Africa, there have only been a total of just over one million cases of AIDS diagnosed. In 2005 the CDC put the cumulative total at 952,629, with approximately 40,000 new cases per year. See <http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/At-A-Glance.htm>. At least half of the people diagnosed with AIDS in the US have died. So the millions of AIDS patients you refer to probably total no more than half a million. Do you really believe that more than, perhaps, a small fraction of these people are prescribed Viagra? And that they are taking six or seven pills each day? >This is a true story and much of the free Viagra is traded >for crystal meth and other drugs to fuel wild sex orgies. :)  Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 4,789 days and counting... Martin wrote... > At least half of the people diagnosed with AIDS in the US have died. > So the millions of AIDS patients you refer to probably total no more > than half a million. I know I should have used the more accurate term "HIV/AIDS" to describe the patients who are being prescribed Viagra at public expense. As for the claim of "millions," I checked my CDC figures for a few years ago and it stated a total of 350,000 Americans living with HIV/AIDS. The number of Americans infected but untested is unknown, but I was a bit off and the actual number of HIV patients eligible for the free Viagra is probably closer to 250,000. But what is it that makes those 250,000 so special as to deserve a free party pill that most people have to pay for out of their own pocket? > Do you really believe that more than, perhaps, a small fraction of > these people are prescribed Viagra? And that they are taking six or > seven pills each day? In the USA all "HIV/AIDS-related" drugs are covered by a federal law called the Ryan White Act. Not just antivirals but also antibiotics and a plethora of toxic substances with loads of side-effects including the possibility of erectile dysfunction. Since "dysfunction" is a subjective term, the doctor takes the patient's word for it that he is having more trouble than usual getting it up. The doctor also cannot impose his judgement on how much sex constitutes "normal" for a particular patient, so there really is no way for him to restrict the number of pills prescribed as long as it falls within the maximum daily dosage. It seems reasonable to assume that each male HIV patient qualifies for two or three Viagra pills per day, at a cost of $20 per day for a total of say $500 per month. The patient may only have minor impotence and use only half and trade the other half for crystal meth, or he may have lied about the impotence and trades all the pills for meth. >>This is a true story and much of the free Viagra is traded >>for crystal meth and other drugs to fuel wild sex orgies. > > :) I wonder if anyone wants to bother filing a Freedom of Information Act request to see how much their local AIDS clinic spends on Viagra each year? >Martin wrote... >> At least half of the people diagnosed with AIDS in the US have died. >> So the millions of AIDS patients you refer to probably total no more >> than half a million. >I know I should have used the more accurate term "HIV/AIDS" to describe >the patients who are being prescribed Viagra at public expense. As for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >off and the actual number of HIV patients eligible for the free Viagra >is probably closer to 250,000. US HIV and AIDS figures are a complete mystery to me. There doesn't appear to be any real, meaningful, numbers concerning HIV and AIDS from the US, which is odd because HIV was invented there. From the CDC <http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm>: "In 2005, the estimated number of persons living with HIV/AIDS in the 33 states and dependent areas with confidential name-based HIV/AIDS infection reporting was 475,871." Does this mean that thirteen states are not included in that total? The CDC also give this disclaimer: "Please note: These numbers do not represent reported case counts. Rather, these numbers are point estimates, which result from adjustments of reported case counts." But wait. The same page also contains this: "At the end of 2003, an estimated 1,039,000 to 1,185,000 persons in the United States..." Are there any REAL figures? All I see are estimates based on estimates. It's in stark contrast to the data from the UK, such as <http://www.avert.org/statsyr.htm>, which details diagnosed cases year by year. >In the USA all "HIV/AIDS-related" drugs are covered by a federal law >called the Ryan White Act. Not just antivirals but also antibiotics [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >and use only half and trade the other half for crystal meth, or he >may have lied about the impotence and trades all the pills for meth. I'll take your word for it. People who take regular medication are often prescribed several drugs, some of which are to counteract side effects of the initial treatment. It's interesting that you describe most HIV patients as drug addicts. There is a theory that HIV is, itself, a side effect of drug use. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Effects>: Diarrhea, nausea, excessive sweating, loss of appetite, tremor, weight loss, brain damage, delusions, muscle breakdown and Kidney failure. And your favourite: compulsive fascination with repetitive tasks. You keep saying people infected with HIV are driven to infect as many people as possible. This could be described as a compulsive fascination with a repetitive task. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 4,797 days and counting... > >Martin wrote... > >> At least half of the people diagnosed with AIDS in the US have died. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Does this mean that thirteen states are not included in that total? Yes. Large population states with faggots and niggers are excluded. http://bruindancemarathon.org/egpaf/us-stats.pdf Martin wrote... > US HIV and AIDS figures are a complete mystery to me. There doesn't > appear to be any real, meaningful, numbers concerning HIV and AIDS [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Does this mean that thirteen states are not included in that total? That is correct. I think those thirteen states follow the original reporting system from the 1980s and only report cases of "AIDS" which doesn't include HIV patients without visible symptoms. And for those states that report positive HIV test results as well as diagnosed cases of AIDS, the figures only include those who have been tested, and the number of untested HIV carriers in the general population remains unknown. > The CDC also give this disclaimer: "Please note: These numbers do not > represent reported case counts. Rather, these numbers are point [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > <http://www.avert.org/statsyr.htm>, which details diagnosed cases year > by year. But what does the UK do with its detailed data except invite AIDS- infected Africans to emigrate to Britain to take advantage of free medical treatment?
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