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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / March 2008Egyptian police arrest HIV suspects
Here's one for Dank.... <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7247228.stm>: ----- Begin Quote ----- Egyptian police have arrested four men suspected of being HIV positive, bringing the total detained in a recent crackdown to 12, rights groups say. Human Rights Watch (HRW) said last week that HIV-positive Egyptian men had been chained to hospital beds and forced to undergo tests for the virus. [...] "These cases show Egyptian police acting on the dangerous belief that HIV is not a condition to be treated but a crime to be punished," Gasser Abdel-Razek, HRW's acting director of regional relations in the Middle East, told the BBC. ----- End Quote -----  Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 4,781 days and counting... "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > Here's one for Dank.... > > "These cases show Egyptian police acting on the dangerous belief that > HIV is not a condition to be treated but a crime to be punished," Only if you pass HIV to someone else........... > "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Only if you pass HIV to someone else........... ............Knowingly. SignatureSincerely yours, Scotty > > "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ............Knowingly. We've been there and done that 10 years ago right here. The excuse not to get tested or as some called that excuse, stigma. Whether you pass hiv knowingly or not, you still pass it. If in doubt, get tested or keep your dick in your pants. People know what risky behaviors cause hiv and if they indulged >> > "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > People know what risky behaviors cause hiv and if they indulged Thank you, Death, for responding! I'm new here, so forgive me if I need to catch up a little... Is what you describe above an actual legal reality? or is it your opinion as to how the law ought to be? What if your brother is unknowingly HIV+, and you are aware that he is in a high-risk group? What would be the extent of your own accountability? What if the HIV+ person you know is just an acquaintance of yours? Lastly, two young friends are playing in a garage with a father's weapon, and neither of them know it's loaded. The gun goes off and kills one of the youngsters. Is the other youngster to blame? SignatureSincerely yours, Scotty > >> > "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > here, so forgive me if I need to catch up a > little... welcome to mha > Is what you describe above an actual legal > reality? or is it your opinion as to how the > law ought to be? several articles posted here by Martin, Dank and myself show that the law is changing the way it handles hiv passing. There have been several articles when those who infected others are being proscuted, and it is my opinion as well. > What if your brother is unknowingly HIV+, > and you are aware that he is in a high-risk > group? What would be the extent of your > own accountability? No one is responsible for the what someone else might or might not do. That is why I include the phrase (personal responsibility often) > What if the HIV+ person you know is just > an acquaintance of yours? I don't believe just knowing someone is a crime yet....... > Lastly, two young friends are playing in a > garage with a father's weapon, and neither > of them know it's loaded. The gun goes > off and kills one of the youngsters. Is the > other youngster to blame? which brings us back to your statement......knowingly and why I responded to that one word. >> >> > "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > There have been several articles when those who infected > others are being proscuted, and it is my opinion as well. "Ignorance is no excuse." >> What if your brother is unknowingly HIV+, >> and you are aware that he is in a high-risk [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > or might not do. > That is why I include the phrase (personal responsibility often) People often seem to mistake a deep sense of tragedy for "guilt". They would do well to realize the common sense of the personal responsibility of *others* in many such types of situations. >> What if the HIV+ person you know is just >> an acquaintance of yours? > > I don't believe just knowing someone is a crime yet....... No, but i believe there's a moral responsibility along these lines. If i know a man of dubious character who has acquired a gun, and i know that he's likely up to no good, there are people who need to be protected from him. >> Lastly, two young friends are playing in a >> garage with a father's weapon, and neither [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > which brings us back to your statement......knowingly > and why I responded to that one word. I seem to remember something happening in France many years ago. Something to do with HIV being passed via blood transfusions? What happens in these cases? So should the concept of "ignorance is no excuse" be applied across the board?, or is there interest in the individual case basis? SignatureYours with gratitude, Scotty "Scott Ley" <scottyNOSP@Msecretsgolden.com> wrote in message > > I seem to remember something happening in > France many years ago. Something to do with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the board?, or is there interest in the individual > case basis? I believe that was the time(s) when Bill Clinton was governor and selling blood from the Arkansas prisons. Testing has cleaned up the blood banks and put a stop to the cry and hue of everyone is equally at risk. > "Scott Ley" <scottyNOSP@Msecretsgolden.com> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Testing has cleaned up the blood banks and put a stop to > the cry and hue of everyone is equally at risk. Okay, well, thank you again, Death (interesting name -- my first impulse was to be afraid of you <g>). Guess my next question would be "global" having to do with the group, m.h.a. It seems that you, Martin and Dank pretty much comprise the group where on-topic stuff is discussed. Yet it appears to be the largest newsgroup discussing AIDS in terms of number of posts. I'm still trying to weed through the noise, and my question would be, Are there a lot of lurkers? occasional posters? and all that? And a quick question for/about Martin. Martin, if you read this, i think most people "on the outside looking in" would write you off as just a huge and sad case of Major Denial. After all that's happened, how can anybody possibly deny the existence of the virus, HIV, and its direct effect upon AIDS? And why the controversy? HIV leading to AIDS has been the connecting thought since Gallo, et al. So are there documented cases where AIDS came to be in a victim where there was no indication that HIV was present? Seems to me that this is all you need to solidify your argument. Thank you for reading. OH! I just had a thought that Martin might find this offensive, and it is not meant that way. Even if a case can be made that you are in denial, this doesn't mean that denial can't be handy when it comes to warding off disease. For example, i believe that it's a harmonious mixture of denial and fearlessness that keeps doctors and other med types alive and healthy under some of the most unhealthful conditions. SignatureSincerely yours, Scotty P.S. Is there a FAQ for m.h.a. that i could read? > > "Scott Ley" <scottyNOSP@Msecretsgolden.com> wrote in message > > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > name -- my first impulse was to be afraid of you > <g>). That may still be the case, I'm an undertaker. > Guess my next question would be "global" having > to do with the group, m.h.a. It seems that you, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > there a lot of lurkers? occasional posters? and all > that? I can't say, hence the name, lurkers. There were several posters here at one time, but alas it is down to just 3 or 4 of us left regurally. A few pop in from time to time and have done so for years. I sometimes crosspost to afff to increase the number of posters but those numbers have fallen as well. > And a quick question for/about Martin. Martin, if > you read this, i think most people "on the outside [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > HIV was present? Seems to me that this is all you > need to solidify your argument. There were a few cases of AIDS without the usual HIV signs. Rare but a few. That said, there are also only a few rare cases where HIV has been the killer of its victim. I believe and will till shown differently that HIV+OIs=AIDS. That the general population is not at equal risk of infection. > Thank you for reading. Thanks for showing enough balls to get involved in something most people don't want to hear or know about. The head in the sand trick suits them just fine. > OH! I just had a thought that Martin might find > this offensive, and it is not meant that way. Even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > med types alive and healthy under some of the > most unhealthful conditions. I haven't seen one in 10 years, lol. >> > "Scott Ley" <scottyNOSP@Msecretsgolden.com> wrote in message > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > That may still be the case, I'm an undertaker. Honorable profession, and more and more in demand... people are just dying to use your services. <g> BTW, got a little busy for several days and haven't been able to enjoy UseNet. Happens sometimes. Sorry 'bout that! >> Guess my next question would be "global" having >> to do with the group, m.h.a. It seems that you, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I sometimes crosspost to afff to increase the number of posters > but those numbers have fallen as well. afff? alt.flame.fruits.figleaves? >> And a quick question for/about Martin. Martin, if >> you read this, i think most people "on the outside [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > till shown differently that HIV+OIs=AIDS. That the general > population is not at equal risk of infection. Makes sense to me. If you have something i can read about those rare cases of AIDS minus HIV, i would be eternally obliged. I've never heard nor read of such cases. As for your equation, isn't there a condition, sort of a "phase" of AIDS where, if one survives the OI's, the HIV attacks brain tissue? >> Thank you for reading. > > Thanks for showing enough balls to get involved > in something most people don't want to hear or > know about. The head in the sand trick suits them just fine. This is why i suspect many lurkers here. People are not only shy, as you suggest, about the subject matter, but also about the flame/stalking rep. of UseNet. >> P.S. Is there a FAQ for m.h.a. that i could read? > > I haven't seen one in 10 years, lol. That's okay, m.h.a. isn't alone in this. And it looks as if this newsgroup is the last great bastion of AIDS discussion on UseNet. The other related groups get little if any activity now. So maybe many are listserving or blogging? Haven't had a chance to check that yet. Lots of info when you Google for a faq, though. Thank you, Death, and remember... you are an important part of Life! <g> SignatureSincerely yours, Scotty "Scott Ley" <scottyNOSP@Msecretsgolden.com> wrote in message > "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > haven't been able to enjoy UseNet. Happens > sometimes. Sorry 'bout that! welcome back > >> Guess my next question would be "global" having > >> to do with the group, m.h.a. It seems that you, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > afff? alt.flame.fruits.figleaves? close, alt flame f.cking faggots. > >> And a quick question for/about Martin. Martin, if > >> you read this, i think most people "on the outside [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > i would be eternally obliged. I've never heard > nor read of such cases. this is something to read and perhaps take with a grain of salt. I'll look again when time allows http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/rrbhivneg.htm "Scott Ley" <scottyNOSP@Msecretsgolden.com> wrote in message > Makes sense to me. If you have something i can > read about those rare cases of AIDS minus HIV, > i would be eternally obliged. I've never heard > nor read of such cases. http://www.aegis.com/aidsline/1997/dec/M97C0493.html
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