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Death - 03 Feb 2008 11:36 GMT
Swiss change safe sex message on HIV By FRANK JORDANS, Associated Press
Writer
Thu Jan 31, 8:10 PM ET

GENEVA - Swiss AIDS experts said Thursday that some people with HIV who
meet strict conditions and are under treatment can safely have unprotected
sex with non-infected partners.

The proposal astonished AIDS researchers in Europe and North America who
have long argued that safe sex with a condom is the single most effective
way of preventing the spread of the disease — apart from abstinence.

"Not only is (the Swiss proposal) dangerous, it's misleading and it is not
considering the implications of the biological facts involved with HIV
transmission," said Jay Levy, director of the Laboratory for Tumor and AIDS
Virus Research at the University of California in San Francisco.

The Swiss National AIDS Commission said patients who can satisfy strict
conditions, including successful antiretroviral treatment to suppress the
virus and who do not have any other sexually transmitted diseases, do not
pose a danger to others. The proposal was published this week in the
Bulletin of Swiss Medicine.

The Swiss scientists took as their starting point a 1999 study by the U.S.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which showed that transmission
depends strongly on the viral load in the blood.

The other studies had also found that patients on regular AIDS treatment
did not pass on the virus, and that HIV could not be detected in their
genital fluids.

"Let's be clear, the decision has to remain with the HIV-negative partner,"
said Pietro Vernazza, head of infectious diseases at the cantonal hospital
of St. Gallen in Switzerland and an author of the report.

The studies cited by the Swiss commission did not themselves definitively
conclude whether people with HIV and on antiretroviral treatment could
safely have unprotected sex without passing on the virus.

The World Health Organization said Switzerland would be the first country
in the world to try this approach.

"There is still some concern that you can never guarantee that somebody
will not be infectious, and the evidence I have to say is not conclusive,"
said Charlie Gilks, director of AIDS treatment and prevention at WHO.

"We are not going to be changing in any way our very clear recommendations
that people on treatment continue to practice safer sex, including
protected sex with a condom, in any relationship," he added.

In any case, of the 2 million people worldwide now receiving HIV treatment,
only a very small number receive medical care comparable to that in
Switzerland, Gilks said.
dank - 06 Feb 2008 22:45 GMT
Death wrote...
>  Swiss change safe sex message on HIV By FRANK JORDANS, Associated Press
> Writer
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> meet strict conditions and are under treatment can safely have unprotected
> sex with non-infected partners.

Did any of the experts volunteer to have an AIDS patient f.ck them in
the a.s to prove how safe it is?
Death - 08 Feb 2008 03:28 GMT
>   Death wrote...
> >  Swiss change safe sex message on HIV By FRANK JORDANS, Associated Press
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Did any of the experts volunteer to have an AIDS patient f.ck them in
> the a.s to prove how safe it is?

They haven't for the past 25 years and I see no reason 4 that
2 change.
It is more fun to guess and play with your life
and not endanger their own.
 
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