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Martin - 14 Dec 2007 05:11 GMT
<http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009446080>:

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Boston, MA (AHN) - A 45-year-old woman who was wrongly diagnosed with
HIV and received treatments for almost nine years before she
discovered she never had AIDS, was awarded $2.5 million in damages by
a jury Wednesday. .

Audrey Serrano said in her lawsuit against her doctor who diagnosed
her, the multiple powerful drugs she took started a chain of ailments,
including depression, loss of weight, fatigue, loss of appetite and
inflammation of the intestine.

According to Serrano, she cried after hearing the jury's verdict was
in favor of her lawsuit in Worcester Superior Court.

Serrano said in a telephone interview, "I'm going to finish my school
and I am going to continue to help others. I am going to find another
doctor that will help me."

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I wonder what her HIV viral load and CD4 counts were during the nine
year period she was diagnosed HIV+?
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Martin - 14 Dec 2007 05:40 GMT
><http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009446080>:
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>I wonder what her HIV viral load and CD4 counts were during the nine
>year period she was diagnosed HIV+?

And there's more...

<http://blog.lawinfo.com/2007/12/13/woman-misdiagnosed-with-hiv-gets-25-m/>:

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In her lawsuit against a doctor who treated her, Audrey Serrano said
the powerful combination of drugs she took triggered a string of
ailments, including depression, chronic fatigue, loss of weight and
appetite and inflammation of the intestine.

Serrano, 45, said she cried after hearing the verdict Wednesday in
Worcester Superior Court and was gratified that the jury believed her.

”I’m going to finish my school and I am going to continue to help
others,” Serrano said in a telephone interview from her Fitchburg
home. ”I am going to find another doctor that will help me.”

Serrano’s attorney, David Angueira, said Dr. Kwan Lai, who treated his
client at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center in
Worcester’s HIV clinic, repeatedly failed to order definitive tests
even after monitoring of Serrano’s treatment did not show the presence
of HIV in her blood.

”It is one of the clearest cases of misdiagnosis that I have ever seen
and it’s based in part on a presumption that people who engage in
certain types of conduct are more likely to have HIV and AIDS than
other people without really listening to the patient,” Angueira said
after the verdict.

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Death - 14 Dec 2007 15:08 GMT
"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message

> Boston, MA (AHN) - A 45-year-old woman who was wrongly diagnosed with
> HIV and received treatments for almost nine years before she
> discovered she never had AIDS, ...

Well was it HIV or AIDS she didn't have?
Martin - 14 Dec 2007 20:30 GMT
>"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message
>> Boston, MA (AHN) - A 45-year-old woman who was wrongly diagnosed with
>> HIV and received treatments for almost nine years before she
>> discovered she never had AIDS, ...

>Well was it HIV or AIDS she didn't have?

After nine years on killer HIV drugs are you surprised this poor woman
doesn't know the difference between HIV and AIDS?

She obviously knew more than the HIV specialist she was seeing.  But,
let's face it, that's not difficult.
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Death - 15 Dec 2007 14:12 GMT
> >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> Boston, MA (AHN) - A 45-year-old woman who was wrongly diagnosed with
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> After nine years on killer HIV drugs are you surprised this poor woman
> doesn't know the difference between HIV and AIDS?

Yes, very much so.

> She obviously knew more than the HIV specialist she was seeing.  But,
> let's face it, that's not difficult.
petenewman - 16 Dec 2007 07:42 GMT
I find this case very interesting, after reading more details on the
www.aliveandwell.org website.
And I would now take a lot of convincing to start HAART, which is what my
Dr wants me to do.
Its presumed now that she was always negative, despite having a partner
with aids..she was initially given meds to contain the virus but her T
cellcounts became low enough to put her in the Aids category.Huh!!
She developed Aids related conditions after taking HAART ie
Wasting,prolonged fatigue, skin lesions,oral thrush, herpes, nosebleeds and
others including severe heart and respiratory difficulties.
She has been awarded $2.5 m in compensation.  The HIV tests were described
as an illusion by one expert, rather than determining anything specific.
Im feeling suddenly a huge burden being lifted, funny how the mind and
HIV/AIDS dogma can determine ones health.

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DavidT - 16 Dec 2007 11:34 GMT
On 16 Dec, 07:42, "petenewman" <petenewman2...@nospam.yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:
> I find this case very interesting, after reading more details on thewww.aliveandwell.orgwebsite.
>  And I would now take a lot of convincing to start HAART, which is what my
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Wasting,prolonged fatigue, skin lesions,oral thrush, herpes, nosebleeds and
> others including severe heart and respiratory difficulties.
The doctor concerned never checked her HIV status or viral load. This
case represents medical misdiagnosis and medical mismanagement. It
says nothing about the existence of HIV or the validity of the tests.

The equivalent might be where a doctor has decided to start
chemotherapy because he was told someone had breast cancer, without
ever double checking whether the patient ever had it. There have been
cases like this. Would this lead you to believe breast cancer did not
exist? (Presumably you would).

Oh, and by the way, none of the above list of conditions that Mrs
Sorrano allegedly suffered are "AIDS-related". Some might be related
to her HIV therapy which was negligently prescribed, but none are
actually AIDS-defining.
petenewman - 16 Dec 2007 19:42 GMT
wrote:
> I find this case very interesting, after reading more details on thewww.aliveandwell.orgwebsite.
>  And I would now take a lot of convincing to start HAART, which is what my
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Wasting,prolonged fatigue, skin lesions,oral thrush, herpes, nosebleeds and
> others including severe heart and respiratory difficulties.
The doctor concerned never checked her HIV status or viral load. This
case represents medical misdiagnosis and medical mismanagement. It
says nothing about the existence of HIV or the validity of the tests.
It represents medical management, to hell with the diagnosis...we can
reduce you to a zombie after nine years of haart,including T cell counts in
the Aids category.     Imagine if this was in the early days and she was
given mega dollops of AZT!     No I think I have more to fear from my Dr
than the poz HIV.     Are you saying if he had checked her status and viral
load she would not have been on HAART .I think that is the point, she
developed Aids from the Meds.
The equivalent might be where a doctor has decided to start
chemotherapy because he was told someone had breast cancer, without
ever double checking whether the patient ever had it. There have been
cases like this. Would this lead you to believe breast cancer did not
exist? (Presumably you would).
I have HIV and have been told HAART will save my life... Would you think
that if someone had breast cancer, that chemotherapy was the only thing
that could cure him? (Presumably you would)
Oh, and by the way, none of the above list of conditions that Mrs
Sorrano allegedly suffered are \"AIDS-related\".  Is that because she
never had HIV?  She was heading towards death from organ failure, isnt that
now the leading cause of death from Aids victims.
 Some might be related
to her HIV therapy which was negligently prescribed, but none are
actually AIDS-defining.       Oh thats so comforting lol.  Not a Dr are
you?

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petenewman - 16 Dec 2007 20:43 GMT
My apologies the previous post is difficult to read lol    I got the
computer, now just gotta learn how to use it.

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Martin - 16 Dec 2007 21:12 GMT
>On 16 Dec, 07:42, "petenewman" <petenewman2...@nospam.yahoo.co.nz>
>wrote:
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>> Wasting,prolonged fatigue, skin lesions,oral thrush, herpes, nosebleeds and
>> others including severe heart and respiratory difficulties.

>The doctor concerned never checked her HIV status or viral load. This
>case represents medical misdiagnosis and medical mismanagement.

Which is odd because HIV viral load tests are usually performed
regularly on patients taking the wonder drugs.  The test is used to
indicate when the patient is failing the drugs, or is it the other way
around?

>It says nothing about the existence of HIV or the validity of the tests.

Maybe not, but it does show us how nasty the drugs are.

>The equivalent might be where a doctor has decided to start
>chemotherapy because he was told someone had breast cancer, without
>ever double checking whether the patient ever had it. There have been
>cases like this. Would this lead you to believe breast cancer did not
>exist? (Presumably you would).

I think Peter was question HIV before this story made the headlines.

>Oh, and by the way, none of the above list of conditions that Mrs
>Sorrano allegedly suffered are "AIDS-related". Some might be related
>to her HIV therapy which was negligently prescribed, but none are
>actually AIDS-defining.

Hmmm, nice wonder drugs.

Wasting is listed at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_defining_illnesses> and elsewhere
as an AIDS defining condition.  Specifically: "Wasting syndrome due to
HIV."  Of course you may argue that she didn't have HIV, so her
wasting was caused by something else.  I wonder what, though.

According to that list I also have AIDS, but we both know that I
don't.
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Martin - 16 Dec 2007 20:39 GMT
>I find this case very interesting, after reading more details on the
>www.aliveandwell.org website.
> And I would now take a lot of convincing to start HAART, which is what my
>Dr wants me to do.

My doctor wants me to take the HIV wonder drugs too.  I don't think
he's the brightest star in the sky because he describes me as having
"asymptomatic HIV disease," despite a positive HIV test result and
double digit CD4 count.

Apparently, a positive HIV antibody result and low CD4 count ISN'T a
symptom of HIV.  And I have that in writing, signed and dated.

There's a picture of Audrey Serrano and her little family of HIV drugs
here:
<http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/HIVAIDS-Fitchburg2C-Mass/ss/events/sc/070302aids/i
m:/071204/480/b9a028e2e7f24339b80f7799625bfc91/
>.
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