 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / October 2007AIDS & Inracellular latent infections?
Hello, " the triangular shapes specific to each disease pathogen and sets up a standing wave within the mass of the structure which causes an expansion of the intracellular fluids which subsequently rupture the protective coating that holds the structure together. http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/showt...=7683#post7683 " I am not interested in discussing about this treatment or PYRO-ENERGEN treatments. But I am interested to know about possible cellular swelling and brusting/lysis as indicated in above quote. Does it happens in AIDs and other intracellular & latent infections? Can such infectious agents, when intracellular, cause increased in cellular tonicity due to their presence resulting fragile cell membrane, swelling and brusting of cells? If yes, how such lysis/brusting can affect? Will it increase (by spread of infectious agents on lysis) or treat(premature death) the disease? Whether, such disease are related to immune cells only? > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Whether, such disease are related to immune cells only? "Programmed cell death is an integral part of both plant and animal tissue development. Development of an organ or tissue is often preceded by the extensive division and differentiation of a particular cell, the resultant mass is then "pruned" into the correct form by apoptosis. Unlike cellular death caused by injury, apoptosis results in cell shrinkage and fragmentation. This allows the cells to be efficiently phagocytosed and their components reused without releasing potentially harmful intracellular substances into the surrounding tissue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis " How above apoptosis is resisted on HIV infection? There is no "HIV," Kumar - understand that first. If you get bodily fluid from a "high viral load" person, you are not going to find the abundance of particles that would be required to inhibit CD4 levels, leading to "AIDS." There are plenty of things that will lower CD4 levels, but they were mostly ignored when the "germ theory" people got involved. Even in cases were a virus is present, they are only dangerous if certain conditions exist, and yeast/fungi is more of a problem to people in "advanced nations" (viruses are usually just a nuisance at worst). The really nasty viruses cause a very dangerous inflammatory response, though from my research, it seems that you need to be exposed to a lot of virus in a vulnerable place, such as what happens in rabies. Keep in mind that nobody knows exactly how deadly these supposedly deadly viruses are, because many people may be exposed and not get ill and also because the amount of virus they were exposed to (and where in the body) is not recorded. In the case of the "HIV" claim, if the CD4 cells are to be depleted in the way it is suggested, there would need to be a lot more of the infectious virus particles than will ever be found (in blood, semen, breast milk). Recently, some "orthodox" researchers determined that the basic "HIV/AIDS" claim is simply impossible. I posted in on my web site, on the "HIV/AIDS" thread. Keep in mind when you read things like your citation that much of this is a laboratory production, under conditions that just don't occur in actual people. Find out exactly what was done. Your link did not work for me, so I couldn't read it. On Sep 29, 12:13 pm, monty1...@lycos.com wrote: > There is no "HIV," Kumar - understand that first. If you get bodily > fluid from a "high viral load" person, you are not going to find the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > actual people. Find out exactly what was done. Your link did not > work for me, so I couldn't read it. It is new thing. I give link in OP again; http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7683#post7683. Someone thought, that any agent taking away water of infected cells may be related to AIDs cure. Btw, whether these infected cells(if they are) are seprated from their clubbed tissues? Autoimmunity and AIDs were somewhat related to one healing agent. >There is no "HIV," Kumar - understand that first. So far, quite right. Which is the important thing concerning this matter. But it goes even further. >If you get bodily >fluid from a "high viral load" person, you are not going to find the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >exposed and not get ill and also because the amount of virus they were >exposed to (and where in the body) is not recorded. Actually, there aren't even *any* nasty viruses, but only harmless ones. See: Article (01.03.2006): Are there and can there be diseascausing viruses? http://rolf-martens.com/otherspubs/060301_lanka_no_diseasecausing_viruses.html Rolf M. > See: > > Article (01.03.2006): Are there and can there be diseascausing viruses?http://rolf-martens.com/otherspubs/060301_lanka_no_diseasecausing_vir... > > Rolf M. *Yawn* Quoting Mr Lanka regarding viruses is like quoting G. W. Bush regarding weapons of mass descruction in Iraq. Nuff said. > > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > How above apoptosis is resisted on HIV infection? First, do not even consider monthy1s answer. All I say to his claims are this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aids_denial Then, to your questions: HIV acts like many other viruses, they have their DNA implemented in the DNA of the infected cell (any cell can be infected this way). That's why the immune system can't find it, it's simply DNA for the moment. When the cell starts producing the proteins encoded in the "viral" DNA, then the cell can be recognized as infected and killed (look for HLA 1 and HLA 2 in your books/online). Maybe the infected cell starts to generate the viral proteins and assemble the viruses too fast and the cell bursts before it is found and killed by the immune system. This kills the infected cells and leads to necrosis, not the much cleaner and tissue-friendlier apoptosis, and further spreads the virus. That's how you get a sore throat for example, many cells lining your larynx die and the protective layer is weakened. The case of HIV is special because it infects those cells, which would in other infections recognize and tell the infected cells to commit apoptosis. It's like burning down police stations before going on a riot. =) I hope that helps. San > > > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I give link url in op again' http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7683#post7683 I think these are lytic and lysogenic cycles as per following link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lytic_cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysogenic_cycle On infection, cells may go either way. Apoptosiscan be pursued on infection. Unlike cellular death caused by injury, apoptosis results in cell shrinkage and fragmentation. Now, when cells is infected and multiplies to some level. Cell should become hypertonic due to increased cellular contents rsulting cell swelling and brusting later on. Any mechanism, if can take their water in early stages, should be able to kill those infected cells. Actually one healing agent(salt, sulphur based) is thought to related to taking away water of infected cells and kill it. "It(healing agent) destroys old-senile worn out cells, esp. RBCs, WBCs and macrophases in the liver by taking away their water. Therefore, its defficiency results into excessive useless circulating, wandering cells in blood vessels and causes spherocytosis. Cells are enlarged but with poor performance. They block capilalary ends and cause local ischemic and necrotic changes. Its defficiency causes sepretion of old cells from growing tissues. They circulate in the body and become antigenic in nature. Thus the body produces auto-immune bodies against these cells. Therefore, it is usful in auto-immune disorders.." Above are indicated physico-chemical reactions of one healing agent. This is related ti infection, autoimmunity, hemolytic anemia, liver infections/disorders, pyrexia of unknown origin, absorption of septic foci/pus etc. and also thought by writer(alas!, couldn't complete his work) for AIDs. Kumar: Ask yourself whether you want to listen to a person who cites a wikipedia entry that is not about science, but instead is about attacking those who are interested in examining actual evidence. Also, there is no such thing as an "AIDS denialist," so far as I've seen, because the whole point is to explain why people have immune system issues and problems. This is yet another reason to wonder what this person's motivation is. On the other hand, I am making the most basic point possible, and that is that you will not find an abundance of particles that meet the textbook description of "HIV" in people said to have "high viral loads." This is a striking and glaring impossibility that these kinds of people refuse to even discuss. How can someone who claims to be an expert on a specific scientific issue refuse to address the most basic question possible on that issue? Isn't the only reason not to answer the question that they simply do not have any answer that would make even a modicum of sense? It's like those who claimed that the end of the world would be on a certain date, and then after that date passed, they just kept naming a new date in the future - that is the behavior of a cult leader, not a scientist. But this kind of individual wants people like yourself to completely ignore people who want to discuss basic scientific issues that are necessary for a particular scientific claim to be accurate. Does such a person even realize that Einstein's relativity theory has been tested over and over again over the years, and in fact was tested not that long ago? Clearly, this is a person who simply does not understand the scientific method and academic standards. Listen to such people, and you receive what you deserve, I suppose. On Oct 2, 7:46 am, monty1...@lycos.com wrote: > Kumar: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > standards. Listen to such people, and you receive what you deserve, I > suppose. Sorry. I didn't meant like you felt. Do you say, there are other reasons to get HIV/AIDs like disease? I also feel that there can be a intra-body reson to getting any infection on normal exposure, Because people exposed to any infective agents similarily, some of them get infection others not. How?
|
Reply to this Message |
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2008 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.