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[2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

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JOHN - 15 Aug 2007 14:31 GMT
[2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

http://www.reviewingaids.org/awiki/index.php/Document:Massive_Fraud_Behind_HIV_Tests
Medavoy told me, "Duesberg was a wild card. We knew we could come across
one, and he was it. He saw through the propaganda we were spreading in the
guise of science. He attacked HIV from a researcher's point of view and he
said all the right things. That is, he didn't know there was an intense
propaganda campaign coordinated at high levels to 'protect' HIV as the cause
of AIDS. But he knew the science. He knew the difference between real
research and badly done or fake research. And HIV was, make no mistake about
it, a fake from day one."

Medavoy said, "A lot of what we did at this point was stop things from
getting into print. That's often more important than planting lies. As far
as Duesberg was concerned, I can tell you there were many newspapers and
magazines who were ready to give his views some space. You know, maverick
scientist rejects HIV as cause of AIDS. So we began a coordinated effort to
keep that from happening. We let the scientists at NIH [National Institutes
of Health], who had the most to lose if Duesberg could establish a credible
beachhead, handle the PR on rejecting Duesberg's science. They engaged in
some character assassination as well, which was fine. We, on the other side,
got "reliable sources" to go to those newspapers and magazines and tell them
that to print anything good about Duesberg was DANGEROUS and IRRESPONSIBLE.
That was our tack. We had our people say that thousands of people could die
if they stopped believing that HIV was the cause of AIDS. Promiscuous sex
would become more rampant than ever, people would get infected, get sick,
and spread the virus even further. We hammered on all this, and we cowed
most of those media outlets. It worked, for the most part."

"As far as the very embarrassing and growing list of AIDS survivors was
concerned - the people who had rejected the idea of HIV and were rebuilding
their health successfully without medical drugs - we tried to keep track of
pending stories on these people, and we went to those media outlets and told
them these people were 'vegetarian kooks' and 'anecdotal examples who had
not been studied by real scientists' and 'publicity seekers' and so on. We
said some of them had never really been HIV positive to begin with. It was
like shooting pigeons. We did pretty well. Some stories did appear on these
survivors, but the general tone was, 'so and so is a strange curiosity and
scientists are studying why he has managed to live for so long without
getting sick, and this may hold promise for future research.' You know, all
that crap."

Here is another choice quote from Medavoy on the AIDS scam. He told me this
in 1996:

"Some other operatives I was aware of played a role in getting mainstream
researchers to lobby for, and win, a new standard for HIV illness, based
purely on numbers of T-cells. [Note: this "innovation" came later, long
after 1987.] Tests would determine if a person was 'getting sick,' or if he
was 'getting better' after taking his AZT - all measured by how many T-cells
[part of the immune system defense] showed up on the tests. These operatives
knew, and had been briefed on this, that T-cells could actually vary all
over the place, up and down, depending on factors like the time of day a
person was given the test. It was another area of shoddy science, and they
took advantage of it. I'll give you an example. You've got some guy who has
been told he's HIV positive, and so, even though he's not sick at all, he
gets tested every few months for numbers of T-cells. Sooner or later, those
numbers will go down on a test. If the doctor isn't really attentive, he'll
tell the patient he is now officially diagnosed with full-blown AIDS,
because those numbers are too low. If the patient hasn't been taking AZT
yet, he will go for it now."
Flec - 16 Aug 2007 05:42 GMT
SanHolo - 16 Aug 2007 14:02 GMT
So, you're saying that HIV is not the cause of AIDS? That's good news,
we should tell that all those African and Indian people who become
sick because they have unprotected sex with someone who is HIV
positive. They don't need to learn to use condoms, because it's not
the virus that makes them sick! Great, we can save millions of dollars
which would have gone into programs to spread the use of condoms -
they can all be abandoned! Let's put that money into research of the
REAL cause of AIDS! Hooray!!!

And those T-Cell levels are fake, too? Great! I wondered anyway,
because those AIDS-defining levels are way lower than any healthy
individual will ever have. So, T-Cell levels have nothing to do with
how potent your immune system is! It's all al lie! I knew it from day
one! Die, scientists, die!!!

Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.
JOHN - 16 Aug 2007 15:28 GMT
> Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.

truth can take some swallowing.  The bigger the lie and father away you away
from it the more insane or ludricous it appears.

"My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless
retrovirus that was being used as a cover story to explain/conceal an
emerging depopulation operation in the Third World. HIV was also a cover for
other agendas outside the Third World. As long as AIDS is the target of
WHO/UN "humanitarian" efforts, the actual causes - which are easily
reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to
remain and fester and expand."      Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport
drceephd@insightbb.com - 16 Aug 2007 15:42 GMT
> > Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to
> remain and fester and expand."      Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

In my consulting efforts, the only person that has been lost to
HIV=AIDS nonsense was the one who took AZT.  I warned the person, but
the doc convinced the person to take AZT. We buried him 6 months
later.

Definition:  Propaganda pill.  A governmental lie covered with a
little truth that people will swallow and believe.  The lie is HIV
causes AIDS.  The smattering of truth is that people are dying and
they, and you, are being told is was HIV.
The docs are being spoon fed this profitable lie.  The scientists are
forced to keep their mouths shut. There is plenty of money for
everyone that way.  Just don't rock the boat.

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
JOHN - 16 Aug 2007 16:25 GMT
> Definition:  Propaganda pill.  A governmental lie covered with a
> little truth that people will swallow and believe.  The lie is HIV
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> DrCee
> Not a member of the church of modern medicine.

The people who only get their information via media are completely naive and
seduced into propaganda that sells you the gate they want you to go through

hard to swallow if you have nowhere to jump too, atheists basically, which
is why the state religion is atheism/we are alone/came from swamp life/this
is hell
Death - 16 Aug 2007 18:04 GMT
"JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message

> truth can take some swallowing.  The bigger the lie and father away you away
> from it the more insane or ludricous it appears.

Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth?

> "My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless
> retrovirus that was being used as a cover story ...       ...          ...

Something, is causing millions to die from AIDS. If not HIV, what?

From the top of my head and going through a short list we have had :
1. something
2.malnutrition/poverty
3.something
4.AZT/meds
5.something
6.monkeys
7.something
8.tainted flu/polio shots
9.and the every popular, something- where-ever it came from-.
JOHN - 16 Aug 2007 22:00 GMT
> Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth?

not lies http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html

>> "My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless
>> retrovirus that was being used as a cover story ...       ...
>> ...
>
> Something, is causing millions to die from AIDS. If not HIV, what?

Pharma meds http://www.whale.to/a/pharma_aids.html

inc vaccination http://www.whale.to/v/biowarfare.html

and the 25 aids umbrella diseases http://www.whale.to/a/aids_umbrella_h.html

plus malnutrition etc

simple really
drceephd@insightbb.com - 17 Aug 2007 01:30 GMT
> > Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth?
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> simple really

John, this is getting very Orwellian.

Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a
cancer of unknown origin.

In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e.
AIDS, a retro-virus.

Now in 2007, the cause of cervical cancer is pronounced to be a
virus.  Maybe because a vaccine for HPV has been developed?

How do the medical moguls explain this change in causation?  Has a
retro-virus mutated into a virus?  Or has a virus mutated into a retro-
virus?  When will the medical moguls make up their minds?

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
SanHolo - 17 Aug 2007 13:46 GMT
On Aug 17, 2:30 am, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:

> Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a
> cancer of unknown origin.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> DrCee
> Not a member of the church of modern medicine.

Mr. Cee, I was just wondering - do you read the fantasies you're
telling in some book or do you pull them out of your own nose? HPV has
been known to be associated with cervical cancer since the 80ies.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=6282442

(1982)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=6299907

(1985)
drceephd@insightbb.com - 17 Aug 2007 19:03 GMT
> On Aug 17, 2:30 am, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

uhh, dufus,

You need to learn how to read the litterature.

These papers discuss an association.  They examined some women and
concluded that some had HPV.  What brand, type, or number was not
mentioned.

Neither of these papers indicated that the HPV reported was anything
more than innocent bystanders.

Koch's postulates require that 100% of the victims have the proper HPV
present.  That HPV must be shown to cause the disease.  That has never
been done in humans or animals for HPV.

Unless you can put the HPV on a cotton swap, not in a syringe, and
apply it to an animal and each and every time the animal develops
cancer, you are passing gas out your mouth and your anus.

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
Death - 17 Aug 2007 23:22 GMT
<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message

> Koch's postulates require that 100% of the victims have the proper HPV
> present.  That HPV must be shown to cause the disease.  That has never
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> apply it to an animal and each and every time the animal develops
> cancer, you are passing gas out your mouth and your anus.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm
monty1945@lycos.com - 18 Aug 2007 00:37 GMT
"AIDS" is about 30 different "diseases," most of them old ones, or
else just "markers," with no symptoms, though the definition varies
from one place to another.  It is the responsibility of the claimant
to put forth a clear, succinct hypothesis.  This was done initially
with "HIV/AIDS," but it turned out to be wrong, and now the "experts"
don't seem to mind saying "we don't understand the mechanism," even
though this means that an entirely different way to help such people
("AIDS patients") is called for, and the present "medicines" may be
doing more harm than good.

I'm more than willing to be "infected with HIV," but because it cannot
be found, even in those with "high viral loads," this experiment can
never take place.  How some people can think it reasonable that "high
viral load" individuals have no actual virus particles in them will
likely be something students snicker at in history classes of the
future, the way students now snicker at the witchcraft craze of
several hundred years ago.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 18 Aug 2007 01:42 GMT
> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm

uhh, dufus,

your referral fails both step 1 and 2.

Not all cases of supposed AIDS cases show HIV antigens.  Antigens are
not HIV.  Antigens only, maybe, possibly, referr to the memory of an
exposure to  HIV.

Still, none of the claims can show that HIV can be isolated and grown
in culture.  If HIV was isolated, from what was it isolated, what was
the medium it was grown in, etc?

Who are you trying to fool?  Someone who cannot read and understand?

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
Death - 18 Aug 2007 02:14 GMT
<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message

> > http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm
>
> uhh, dufus,
>
> your referral fails both step 1 and 2.

http://rethinkingaids.com/GalloRebuttal/Farber-Gallo-40.html
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 17 Aug 2007 19:29 GMT
>In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e.
>AIDS, a retro-virus.

Question: What causes pneumocystis carinii pneumonia?

Answer: Pneumocystis carinii.  Duh.

Cervical cancer is one of the diagnostic signs of AIDS.  Because of
this you accuse the mainstream of saying that HIV is the cause
of cervical cancer.

Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia is one of the diagnostic signs of
AIDS,  Yet AIDS dissidents never accuse the mainstream of saying
that HIV is the cause of pneumocystis carinii pneumonia.

Logical consistency is a foreign language for AIDS dissidents.

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David Canzi                | Eternal truths come and go. |

drceephd@insightbb.com - 17 Aug 2007 22:21 GMT
On Aug 17, 2:29 pm, dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca (David Canzi -- non-
mailable) wrote:
> In article <1187310625.606166.92...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Answer: Pneumocystis carinii.  Duh.

Well, duh, duh to you.

Where is your proof that pneumocystis carinii causes pneumonia?   The
members of the church of modern medicine are always looking for some
innocent bystander to blame the illness upon.  Show us a reference to
a peer reviewed, double blinded, placebo controlled study that showed
pneumocystic can cause pneumonia.

> Cervical cancer is one of the diagnostic signs of AIDS.  Because of
> this you accuse the mainstream of saying that HIV is the cause
> of cervical cancer.

Uhh, dufus, cervical cancer is not a diagnostic sign of  AIDS, it is
supposed to be a result.   Either cervical cancer is caused by HIV, a
retrovirus, or it is caused by a virus.  Which is it?

> Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia is one of the diagnostic signs of
> AIDS,  Yet AIDS dissidents never accuse the mainstream of saying
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --
> David Canzi                             | Eternal truths come and go. |

I am convinced that figures never lie.  Yet, liars always figure.

DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 20 Aug 2007 04:54 GMT
>On Aug 17, 2:29 pm, dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca (David Canzi -- non-
>mailable) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Where is your proof that pneumocystis carinii causes pneumonia?

Woah!  Back up your hobby horse.  You said "in 1992 the cause of
cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV."  That claim is what
I'm questioning: I don't remember hearing or reading any such
pronouncement as you claim was made.

What process of reasoning or interpretation led you to conclude
that medical scientists believed HIV to be the cause of cervical
cancer?  Why don't you conclude that they consider HIV to be the
cause of p. carinii pneumonia?

I'm only interested in how you reach your conclusions about what
they believe.  Any discussion about whether their beliefs are
true or false would be off-topic.

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JOHN - 18 Aug 2007 08:49 GMT
> John, this is getting very Orwellian.

getting?   1984 has been here since way before 1984

> Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a
> cancer of unknown origin.
>
> In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e.
> AIDS, a retro-virus.

that was just to get more aids cases

"In 1984 most 'AIDS" diagnoses were based on a diagnosis of Kaposi's sarcoma
(an affliction of the blood vessels) or pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (a
lung disease caused by the overgrowth of a ubiquitous microbe) along with a
presumption of "immune deficiency" and a presumption of retroviral
infection. When the CDC expanded the list of 'AIDS-indicator diseases" in
1987, it caused an immediate boost of new AIDS cases by approximately
one-third. Using the pre-1987 definition, the incidence of new 'AIDS" cases
peaked in 1988, but with the net cast ever wider, incidence continued to
rise ... at least for a few years. In early 1992 still more 'AIDS-indicator
diseases" were added to the list, bringing the total to 29, and reducing the
AIDS-construct to utter absurdity. In 1982 someone who earned an 'AIDS"
diagnosis was very dose to death; after 1992 someone could acquire an 'AIDS"
diagnosis without even being sick (A CD-4 cell count of less than 200 per
milliliter is one of the official "AIDS-indicator diseases", although there
is no reliable statistical evidence that such a count is not compatible with
perfectly good health.)
   I can still remember Schmidt's contempt for the CDC's tactics in adding
cervical cancer to the list in 1992. As might be expected, the revision
caused an immediate rise in 'AIDS" diagnoses among women, enabling the CDC
to issue press releases proclaiming that AIDS was spreading fastest among
heterosexual women."---Lauritsen, John (The AIDS Cult p. 96,
97)http://www.whale.to/a/aids_umbrella_h.html

> Now in 2007, the cause of cervical cancer is pronounced to be a
> virus.  Maybe because a vaccine for HPV has been developed?

viruses are very useful http://www.whale.to/a/virus.html

> How do the medical moguls explain this change in causation?  Has a
> retro-virus mutated into a virus?  Or has a virus mutated into a retro-
> virus?  When will the medical moguls make up their minds?

they amke it up as they go along, and move the goalposts eevry day,
psychopaths don't give a sh.t http://www.whale.to/b/psychopaths_h.html

if you want to see a psychopath watch DVD to see him.

"Those who attempt to dispel the notion that HIV is the cause of AIDS are
perpetrators of death... I think that people like Peter Duesberg belong in
jail... I suggest to you that Peter Duesberg is probably the closest thing
we have in this world to a scientific psychopath." - Mark Wainberg, Canadian
AIDS researcher (Scovill 2004 http://www.theothersideofaids.com )
SanHolo - 19 Aug 2007 11:11 GMT
> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> we have in this world to a scientific psychopath." - Mark Wainberg, Canadian
> AIDS researcher (Scovill 2004http://www.theothersideofaids.com)

You answer the claims of Cee, although I already busted them as
inaccurate? Great how you pick your sources, just continue to build
this net of self-deception around you, it won't get you anywhere.

And concerning this:
"A CD-4 cell count of less than 200 per milliliter is one of the
official "AIDS-indicator diseases", although there is no reliable
statistical evidence that such a count is not compatible with
perfectly good health."

I suggest you visit a doctor, get some immunosuppressive drugs and
depress your CD-4+ cells down to 200 per microliter and see what
happens. You'll be surprised.

So sad, you have no idea what you're talking about.
JOHN - 19 Aug 2007 11:31 GMT
> And concerning this:
> "A CD-4 cell count of less than 200 per milliliter is one of the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> So sad, you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html
SanHolo - 19 Aug 2007 15:14 GMT
> http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=17690569

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=10605973

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=15090829

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=11722271

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=12693883

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=15718843


And one of the better:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=7802984


Tell me if you need more, these are the first 7 of 102 Abstracts I
found on a quick search.
David Wright - 19 Aug 2007 18:08 GMT
>> http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Tell me if you need more, these are the first 7 of 102 Abstracts I
>found on a quick search.

Bear in mind that John has the scientific literacy of an eggplant, and
he could not possibly understand any of those abstracts.  He doesn't
write the articles on whale.to, he merely stores them.  They are
written by better liars than he.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about
     Barbra Streisand."               -- Bill Maher
JOHN - 19 Aug 2007 22:23 GMT
>> http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Tell me if you need more, these are the first 7 of 102 Abstracts I
> found on a quick search.

you're the man for junk science citations
Mark Probert - 17 Aug 2007 04:34 GMT
>> Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.
>
> truth can take some swallowing.  

Then you must be malnourished.

The bigger the lie and father away you away
> from it the more insane or ludricous it appears.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to
> remain and fester and expand."      Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport
Peter Bowditch - 17 Aug 2007 07:45 GMT
>> Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to
>remain and fester and expand."      Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

When is Rappoport lining up for his dose of HIV? I'm sure he's
prepared to be injected with the live virus, seeing as how he says
it's harmless.

Oh, he isn't going to have a dose injected? How hypocritical of him.
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Mark Probert - 17 Aug 2007 04:34 GMT
> So, you're saying that HIV is not the cause of AIDS? That's good news,
> we should tell that all those African and Indian people who become
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.

Anything associated with the whale.to site is ludicrous.
Tim Campbell - 17 Aug 2007 05:26 GMT
On Aug 16, 10:34 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
wrote:

> > Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.
>
> Anything associated with the whale.to site is ludicrous.- Hide quoted text -

For Mark Probert anything that runs counter to the orthodoxy of the
medical high priesthood is considered to be "ludicrous."
Mark Probert - 17 Aug 2007 12:59 GMT
> On Aug 16, 10:34 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> For Mark Probert anything that runs counter to the orthodoxy of the
> medical high priesthood is considered to be "ludicrous."

Wrong.
marcia - 17 Aug 2007 13:20 GMT
> On Aug 16, 10:34 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> For Mark Probert anything that runs counter to the orthodoxy of the
> medical high priesthood is considered to be "ludicrous."

That was a huge leap of logic.
Peter Bowditch - 17 Aug 2007 13:24 GMT
>> So, you're saying that HIV is not the cause of AIDS? That's good news,
>> we should tell that all those African and Indian people who become
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Anything associated with the whale.to site is ludicrous.

Except this:

http://www.whale.to/a/bowditch.html

That is pure comedy.
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