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[2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport
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JOHN - 15 Aug 2007 14:31 GMT [2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport
http://www.reviewingaids.org/awiki/index.php/Document:Massive_Fraud_Behind_HIV_Tests Medavoy told me, "Duesberg was a wild card. We knew we could come across one, and he was it. He saw through the propaganda we were spreading in the guise of science. He attacked HIV from a researcher's point of view and he said all the right things. That is, he didn't know there was an intense propaganda campaign coordinated at high levels to 'protect' HIV as the cause of AIDS. But he knew the science. He knew the difference between real research and badly done or fake research. And HIV was, make no mistake about it, a fake from day one."
Medavoy said, "A lot of what we did at this point was stop things from getting into print. That's often more important than planting lies. As far as Duesberg was concerned, I can tell you there were many newspapers and magazines who were ready to give his views some space. You know, maverick scientist rejects HIV as cause of AIDS. So we began a coordinated effort to keep that from happening. We let the scientists at NIH [National Institutes of Health], who had the most to lose if Duesberg could establish a credible beachhead, handle the PR on rejecting Duesberg's science. They engaged in some character assassination as well, which was fine. We, on the other side, got "reliable sources" to go to those newspapers and magazines and tell them that to print anything good about Duesberg was DANGEROUS and IRRESPONSIBLE. That was our tack. We had our people say that thousands of people could die if they stopped believing that HIV was the cause of AIDS. Promiscuous sex would become more rampant than ever, people would get infected, get sick, and spread the virus even further. We hammered on all this, and we cowed most of those media outlets. It worked, for the most part."
"As far as the very embarrassing and growing list of AIDS survivors was concerned - the people who had rejected the idea of HIV and were rebuilding their health successfully without medical drugs - we tried to keep track of pending stories on these people, and we went to those media outlets and told them these people were 'vegetarian kooks' and 'anecdotal examples who had not been studied by real scientists' and 'publicity seekers' and so on. We said some of them had never really been HIV positive to begin with. It was like shooting pigeons. We did pretty well. Some stories did appear on these survivors, but the general tone was, 'so and so is a strange curiosity and scientists are studying why he has managed to live for so long without getting sick, and this may hold promise for future research.' You know, all that crap."
Here is another choice quote from Medavoy on the AIDS scam. He told me this in 1996:
"Some other operatives I was aware of played a role in getting mainstream researchers to lobby for, and win, a new standard for HIV illness, based purely on numbers of T-cells. [Note: this "innovation" came later, long after 1987.] Tests would determine if a person was 'getting sick,' or if he was 'getting better' after taking his AZT - all measured by how many T-cells [part of the immune system defense] showed up on the tests. These operatives knew, and had been briefed on this, that T-cells could actually vary all over the place, up and down, depending on factors like the time of day a person was given the test. It was another area of shoddy science, and they took advantage of it. I'll give you an example. You've got some guy who has been told he's HIV positive, and so, even though he's not sick at all, he gets tested every few months for numbers of T-cells. Sooner or later, those numbers will go down on a test. If the doctor isn't really attentive, he'll tell the patient he is now officially diagnosed with full-blown AIDS, because those numbers are too low. If the patient hasn't been taking AZT yet, he will go for it now."
Flec - 16 Aug 2007 05:42 GMT SanHolo - 16 Aug 2007 14:02 GMT So, you're saying that HIV is not the cause of AIDS? That's good news, we should tell that all those African and Indian people who become sick because they have unprotected sex with someone who is HIV positive. They don't need to learn to use condoms, because it's not the virus that makes them sick! Great, we can save millions of dollars which would have gone into programs to spread the use of condoms - they can all be abandoned! Let's put that money into research of the REAL cause of AIDS! Hooray!!!
And those T-Cell levels are fake, too? Great! I wondered anyway, because those AIDS-defining levels are way lower than any healthy individual will ever have. So, T-Cell levels have nothing to do with how potent your immune system is! It's all al lie! I knew it from day one! Die, scientists, die!!!
Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.
JOHN - 16 Aug 2007 15:28 GMT > Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous. truth can take some swallowing. The bigger the lie and father away you away from it the more insane or ludricous it appears.
"My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless retrovirus that was being used as a cover story to explain/conceal an emerging depopulation operation in the Third World. HIV was also a cover for other agendas outside the Third World. As long as AIDS is the target of WHO/UN "humanitarian" efforts, the actual causes - which are easily reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to remain and fester and expand." Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport
drceephd@insightbb.com - 16 Aug 2007 15:42 GMT > > Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to > remain and fester and expand." Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport In my consulting efforts, the only person that has been lost to HIV=AIDS nonsense was the one who took AZT. I warned the person, but the doc convinced the person to take AZT. We buried him 6 months later.
Definition: Propaganda pill. A governmental lie covered with a little truth that people will swallow and believe. The lie is HIV causes AIDS. The smattering of truth is that people are dying and they, and you, are being told is was HIV. The docs are being spoon fed this profitable lie. The scientists are forced to keep their mouths shut. There is plenty of money for everyone that way. Just don't rock the boat.
DrCee Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
JOHN - 16 Aug 2007 16:25 GMT > Definition: Propaganda pill. A governmental lie covered with a > little truth that people will swallow and believe. The lie is HIV [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > DrCee > Not a member of the church of modern medicine. The people who only get their information via media are completely naive and seduced into propaganda that sells you the gate they want you to go through
hard to swallow if you have nowhere to jump too, atheists basically, which is why the state religion is atheism/we are alone/came from swamp life/this is hell
Death - 16 Aug 2007 18:04 GMT "JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message
> truth can take some swallowing. The bigger the lie and father away you away > from it the more insane or ludricous it appears. Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth?
> "My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless > retrovirus that was being used as a cover story ... ... ... Something, is causing millions to die from AIDS. If not HIV, what?
From the top of my head and going through a short list we have had : 1. something 2.malnutrition/poverty 3.something 4.AZT/meds 5.something 6.monkeys 7.something 8.tainted flu/polio shots 9.and the every popular, something- where-ever it came from-.
JOHN - 16 Aug 2007 22:00 GMT > Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth? not lies http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html
>> "My book instead proved that HIV - wherever it came from - was a harmless >> retrovirus that was being used as a cover story ... ... >> ... > > Something, is causing millions to die from AIDS. If not HIV, what? Pharma meds http://www.whale.to/a/pharma_aids.html
inc vaccination http://www.whale.to/v/biowarfare.html
and the 25 aids umbrella diseases http://www.whale.to/a/aids_umbrella_h.html
plus malnutrition etc
simple really
drceephd@insightbb.com - 17 Aug 2007 01:30 GMT > > Truth, now there is clever word, so what is the truth? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > simple really John, this is getting very Orwellian.
Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a cancer of unknown origin.
In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e. AIDS, a retro-virus.
Now in 2007, the cause of cervical cancer is pronounced to be a virus. Maybe because a vaccine for HPV has been developed?
How do the medical moguls explain this change in causation? Has a retro-virus mutated into a virus? Or has a virus mutated into a retro- virus? When will the medical moguls make up their minds?
DrCee Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
SanHolo - 17 Aug 2007 13:46 GMT On Aug 17, 2:30 am, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
> Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a > cancer of unknown origin. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > DrCee > Not a member of the church of modern medicine. Mr. Cee, I was just wondering - do you read the fantasies you're telling in some book or do you pull them out of your own nose? HPV has been known to be associated with cervical cancer since the 80ies.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=6282442 (1982) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=6299907 (1985)
drceephd@insightbb.com - 17 Aug 2007 19:03 GMT > On Aug 17, 2:30 am, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - uhh, dufus,
You need to learn how to read the litterature.
These papers discuss an association. They examined some women and concluded that some had HPV. What brand, type, or number was not mentioned.
Neither of these papers indicated that the HPV reported was anything more than innocent bystanders.
Koch's postulates require that 100% of the victims have the proper HPV present. That HPV must be shown to cause the disease. That has never been done in humans or animals for HPV.
Unless you can put the HPV on a cotton swap, not in a syringe, and apply it to an animal and each and every time the animal develops cancer, you are passing gas out your mouth and your anus.
DrCee Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
Death - 17 Aug 2007 23:22 GMT <drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> Koch's postulates require that 100% of the victims have the proper HPV > present. That HPV must be shown to cause the disease. That has never [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > apply it to an animal and each and every time the animal develops > cancer, you are passing gas out your mouth and your anus. http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm
monty1945@lycos.com - 18 Aug 2007 00:37 GMT "AIDS" is about 30 different "diseases," most of them old ones, or else just "markers," with no symptoms, though the definition varies from one place to another. It is the responsibility of the claimant to put forth a clear, succinct hypothesis. This was done initially with "HIV/AIDS," but it turned out to be wrong, and now the "experts" don't seem to mind saying "we don't understand the mechanism," even though this means that an entirely different way to help such people ("AIDS patients") is called for, and the present "medicines" may be doing more harm than good.
I'm more than willing to be "infected with HIV," but because it cannot be found, even in those with "high viral loads," this experiment can never take place. How some people can think it reasonable that "high viral load" individuals have no actual virus particles in them will likely be something students snicker at in history classes of the future, the way students now snicker at the witchcraft craze of several hundred years ago.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 18 Aug 2007 01:42 GMT > <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm uhh, dufus,
your referral fails both step 1 and 2.
Not all cases of supposed AIDS cases show HIV antigens. Antigens are not HIV. Antigens only, maybe, possibly, referr to the memory of an exposure to HIV.
Still, none of the claims can show that HIV can be isolated and grown in culture. If HIV was isolated, from what was it isolated, what was the medium it was grown in, etc?
Who are you trying to fool? Someone who cannot read and understand?
DrCee Not a member of the church of modern medicine.
Death - 18 Aug 2007 02:14 GMT <drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> > http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm > > uhh, dufus, > > your referral fails both step 1 and 2. http://rethinkingaids.com/GalloRebuttal/Farber-Gallo-40.html
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 17 Aug 2007 19:29 GMT >In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e. >AIDS, a retro-virus. Question: What causes pneumocystis carinii pneumonia?
Answer: Pneumocystis carinii. Duh.
Cervical cancer is one of the diagnostic signs of AIDS. Because of this you accuse the mainstream of saying that HIV is the cause of cervical cancer.
Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia is one of the diagnostic signs of AIDS, Yet AIDS dissidents never accuse the mainstream of saying that HIV is the cause of pneumocystis carinii pneumonia.
Logical consistency is a foreign language for AIDS dissidents.
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drceephd@insightbb.com - 17 Aug 2007 22:21 GMT On Aug 17, 2:29 pm, dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca (David Canzi -- non- mailable) wrote:
> In article <1187310625.606166.92...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Answer: Pneumocystis carinii. Duh. Well, duh, duh to you.
Where is your proof that pneumocystis carinii causes pneumonia? The members of the church of modern medicine are always looking for some innocent bystander to blame the illness upon. Show us a reference to a peer reviewed, double blinded, placebo controlled study that showed pneumocystic can cause pneumonia.
> Cervical cancer is one of the diagnostic signs of AIDS. Because of > this you accuse the mainstream of saying that HIV is the cause > of cervical cancer. Uhh, dufus, cervical cancer is not a diagnostic sign of AIDS, it is supposed to be a result. Either cervical cancer is caused by HIV, a retrovirus, or it is caused by a virus. Which is it?
> Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia is one of the diagnostic signs of > AIDS, Yet AIDS dissidents never accuse the mainstream of saying [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > David Canzi | Eternal truths come and go. | I am convinced that figures never lie. Yet, liars always figure.
DrCee Not a member of the church of modern medicine
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 20 Aug 2007 04:54 GMT >On Aug 17, 2:29 pm, dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca (David Canzi -- non- >mailable) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Where is your proof that pneumocystis carinii causes pneumonia? Woah! Back up your hobby horse. You said "in 1992 the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV." That claim is what I'm questioning: I don't remember hearing or reading any such pronouncement as you claim was made.
What process of reasoning or interpretation led you to conclude that medical scientists believed HIV to be the cause of cervical cancer? Why don't you conclude that they consider HIV to be the cause of p. carinii pneumonia?
I'm only interested in how you reach your conclusions about what they believe. Any discussion about whether their beliefs are true or false would be off-topic.
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JOHN - 18 Aug 2007 08:49 GMT > John, this is getting very Orwellian. getting? 1984 has been here since way before 1984
> Initially women were dying from the treatment for cervical cancer, a > cancer of unknown origin. > > In 1992, the cause of cervical cancer was pronounced to be HIV, i.e. > AIDS, a retro-virus. that was just to get more aids cases
"In 1984 most 'AIDS" diagnoses were based on a diagnosis of Kaposi's sarcoma (an affliction of the blood vessels) or pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (a lung disease caused by the overgrowth of a ubiquitous microbe) along with a presumption of "immune deficiency" and a presumption of retroviral infection. When the CDC expanded the list of 'AIDS-indicator diseases" in 1987, it caused an immediate boost of new AIDS cases by approximately one-third. Using the pre-1987 definition, the incidence of new 'AIDS" cases peaked in 1988, but with the net cast ever wider, incidence continued to rise ... at least for a few years. In early 1992 still more 'AIDS-indicator diseases" were added to the list, bringing the total to 29, and reducing the AIDS-construct to utter absurdity. In 1982 someone who earned an 'AIDS" diagnosis was very dose to death; after 1992 someone could acquire an 'AIDS" diagnosis without even being sick (A CD-4 cell count of less than 200 per milliliter is one of the official "AIDS-indicator diseases", although there is no reliable statistical evidence that such a count is not compatible with perfectly good health.) I can still remember Schmidt's contempt for the CDC's tactics in adding cervical cancer to the list in 1992. As might be expected, the revision caused an immediate rise in 'AIDS" diagnoses among women, enabling the CDC to issue press releases proclaiming that AIDS was spreading fastest among heterosexual women."---Lauritsen, John (The AIDS Cult p. 96, 97)http://www.whale.to/a/aids_umbrella_h.html
> Now in 2007, the cause of cervical cancer is pronounced to be a > virus. Maybe because a vaccine for HPV has been developed? viruses are very useful http://www.whale.to/a/virus.html
> How do the medical moguls explain this change in causation? Has a > retro-virus mutated into a virus? Or has a virus mutated into a retro- > virus? When will the medical moguls make up their minds? they amke it up as they go along, and move the goalposts eevry day, psychopaths don't give a sh.t http://www.whale.to/b/psychopaths_h.html
if you want to see a psychopath watch DVD to see him.
"Those who attempt to dispel the notion that HIV is the cause of AIDS are perpetrators of death... I think that people like Peter Duesberg belong in jail... I suggest to you that Peter Duesberg is probably the closest thing we have in this world to a scientific psychopath." - Mark Wainberg, Canadian AIDS researcher (Scovill 2004 http://www.theothersideofaids.com )
SanHolo - 19 Aug 2007 11:11 GMT > <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > we have in this world to a scientific psychopath." - Mark Wainberg, Canadian > AIDS researcher (Scovill 2004http://www.theothersideofaids.com) You answer the claims of Cee, although I already busted them as inaccurate? Great how you pick your sources, just continue to build this net of self-deception around you, it won't get you anywhere.
And concerning this: "A CD-4 cell count of less than 200 per milliliter is one of the official "AIDS-indicator diseases", although there is no reliable statistical evidence that such a count is not compatible with perfectly good health."
I suggest you visit a doctor, get some immunosuppressive drugs and depress your CD-4+ cells down to 200 per microliter and see what happens. You'll be surprised.
So sad, you have no idea what you're talking about.
JOHN - 19 Aug 2007 11:31 GMT > And concerning this: > "A CD-4 cell count of less than 200 per milliliter is one of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > So sad, you have no idea what you're talking about. http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html
SanHolo - 19 Aug 2007 15:14 GMT > http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=17690569 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=10605973 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=15090829 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=11722271 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=12693883 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=15718843
And one of the better: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=7802984
Tell me if you need more, these are the first 7 of 102 Abstracts I found on a quick search.
David Wright - 19 Aug 2007 18:08 GMT >> http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Tell me if you need more, these are the first 7 of 102 Abstracts I >found on a quick search. Bear in mind that John has the scientific literacy of an eggplant, and he could not possibly understand any of those abstracts. He doesn't write the articles on whale.to, he merely stores them. They are written by better liars than he.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about Barbra Streisand." -- Bill Maher
JOHN - 19 Aug 2007 22:23 GMT >> http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Tell me if you need more, these are the first 7 of 102 Abstracts I > found on a quick search. you're the man for junk science citations
Mark Probert - 17 Aug 2007 04:34 GMT >> Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous. > > truth can take some swallowing. Then you must be malnourished.
The bigger the lie and father away you away
> from it the more insane or ludricous it appears. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to > remain and fester and expand." Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport Peter Bowditch - 17 Aug 2007 07:45 GMT >> Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >reversible - of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to >remain and fester and expand." Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport When is Rappoport lining up for his dose of HIV? I'm sure he's prepared to be injected with the live virus, seeing as how he says it's harmless.
Oh, he isn't going to have a dose injected? How hypocritical of him.
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Mark Probert - 17 Aug 2007 04:34 GMT > So, you're saying that HIV is not the cause of AIDS? That's good news, > we should tell that all those African and Indian people who become [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous. Anything associated with the whale.to site is ludicrous.
Tim Campbell - 17 Aug 2007 05:26 GMT On Aug 16, 10:34 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> > Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous. > > Anything associated with the whale.to site is ludicrous.- Hide quoted text - For Mark Probert anything that runs counter to the orthodoxy of the medical high priesthood is considered to be "ludicrous."
Mark Probert - 17 Aug 2007 12:59 GMT > On Aug 16, 10:34 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > For Mark Probert anything that runs counter to the orthodoxy of the > medical high priesthood is considered to be "ludicrous." Wrong.
marcia - 17 Aug 2007 13:20 GMT > On Aug 16, 10:34 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > For Mark Probert anything that runs counter to the orthodoxy of the > medical high priesthood is considered to be "ludicrous." That was a huge leap of logic.
Peter Bowditch - 17 Aug 2007 13:24 GMT >> So, you're saying that HIV is not the cause of AIDS? That's good news, >> we should tell that all those African and Indian people who become [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Anything associated with the whale.to site is ludicrous. Except this:
http://www.whale.to/a/bowditch.html
That is pure comedy.
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