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Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results for A VARIETY of sexually transmitted diseases?... Ask -- Let's get tested TOGETHER BEFORE we have sex.

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don warner saklad - 05 Aug 2007 13:02 GMT
Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
for A VARIETY of sexually transmitted diseases?... Ask -- Let's get
tested TOGETHER BEFORE we have sex http://notb4weknow.blogspot.com
Martin - 05 Aug 2007 16:29 GMT
>Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
>for A VARIETY of sexually transmitted diseases?...

No.  I've probably had sexual contact with thousands of men during the
past 20, or more, years.  One evening in the local park can result in
such contact with more than a dozen men.

A few times a new shag has asked "What about HIV?"  To which I've
responded "What about it?"  And that's the end of the conversation
about HIV.  Perhaps they're too embarrassed to probe further or too
eager to have their wicked way with me.

Even a direct question, such as "Do you have HIV," would elicit a "No"
response from me.
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don warner saklad - 06 Aug 2007 16:51 GMT
> >Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
> >for A VARIETY of sexually transmitted diseases?...
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you are very likely infected given the implications of your sexual
history and that you may be immune to it you could still be passing on
infections to god knows how many people and they in turn passing on
infections. or we could assume you're some goofball.
Martin - 06 Aug 2007 17:32 GMT
>you are very likely infected given the implications of your sexual
>history and that you may be immune to it you could still be passing on
>infections to god knows how many people and they in turn passing on
>infections. or we could assume you're some goofball.

Presumably you haven't been here long.

Peddlers of HIV lies don't last long in this newsgroup.
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don warner saklad - 07 Aug 2007 17:38 GMT
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:51:22 -0000, don warner saklad
>
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who is peddling lies?
Martin - 07 Aug 2007 17:52 GMT
>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:51:22 -0000, don warner saklad

>> Peddlers of HIV lies don't last long in this newsgroup.

>who is peddling lies?

Yes, that's true.  There's a whole website devoted to their lies:
<http://www.unaids.org/>.
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don warner saklad - 08 Aug 2007 21:07 GMT
| Peddlers of HIV lies don't last long in this newsgroup.

who is peddling lies?

| Yes, that's true.  There's a whole website devoted to their lies:
http://www.unaids.org

Debunk one of their lies as an example -- just one...
Martin - 09 Aug 2007 01:22 GMT
>| Peddlers of HIV lies don't last long in this newsgroup.

>who is peddling lies?

Anyone who say HIV exists.  Anyone who says HIV causes AIDS.

I've looked at your blog.  What's the point of it?  It's just a mess
of text badly cut and pasted from elsewhere.

>| Yes, that's true.  There's a whole website devoted to their lies:
>http://www.unaids.org

>Debunk one of their lies as an example -- just one...

Nice try. :)
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don warner saklad - 09 Aug 2007 17:09 GMT
| Peddlers of HIV lies don't last long in this newsgroup.

who is peddling lies?

| Anyone who say HIV exists.  Anyone who says HIV causes AIDS.

| I've looked at your blog.  What's the point of it?  It's just a mess
| of text badly cut and pasted from elsewhere.

| Yes, that's true.  There's a whole website devoted to their lies:
http://www.unaids.org

Debunk one of their lies as an example -- just one...

| Nice try. :)

Nice try at what?

Like most of those peddling HIV/AIDS denial, push comes to shove and
they are unable to make a case. In this example replying with some
ambiguous meaningless two words.
Death - 09 Aug 2007 19:53 GMT
"don warner saklad" <don.saklad@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Like most of those peddling HIV/AIDS denial, push comes to shove and
> they are unable to make a case. In this example replying with some
> ambiguous meaningless two words.

The 10 HIV Myths According to the Denialist:

AIDS is a New Disease - AIDS is really a re-packaging of existing illnesses.

HIV Cause AIDS - some feel HIV is harmless; others feel that HIV may be involved but there are other
factors that contribute to AIDS.

HIV is Infectious - as stated earlier, many feel that conventional HIV theory violates established
rules of viral behavior.

HIV is Sexually Transmitted - the spread among heterosexuals is too slow, disproving the belief that
HIV is sexually transmitted.

Gay Men are Dying From AIDS - this stems from the belief that recreation drugs such as amyl nitrate
are responsible for the deaths among gay men. Denialists believe gay men have a higher incidence of
recreational drug use than the general population, accounting for higher HIV and AIDS death rates
among gay men.

Africa is Being Destroyed by HIV and AIDS - denialist believe it is things like malnutrition and
unsanitary conditions that cause the deaths in Africa, not HIV and AIDS.

AIDS is Incurable - avoiding things like toxic drugs and living a healthy life style will cure AIDS
according to the denialist.

You Can Test for HIV - the denialist believes that the tests used to diagnose HIV are flawed and
unreliable.

AZT is an Anti-Viral Medication - according to denialists, AZT does nothing but damage DNA and really
has no anti-viral activity.

Drug Regimens Stop HIV - in fact, combination therapies do nothing but mask symptoms, according to
the denialists, and in fact it is these drugs that make people sick, not HIV and AIDS.
#1 Fan - 08 Aug 2007 22:28 GMT
don warner saklad wrote...
> Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
> for A VARIETY of sexually transmitted diseases?... Ask -- Let's get
> tested TOGETHER BEFORE we have sex http://notb4weknow.blogspot.com

I'm not aware of any instant HIV tests and normal blood tests take
several days to weeks to complete.  Unless the potential partners
are physically restrained and confined testing center premises until
their HIV tests come back negative, there is no way for one partner
to be certain the other partner hasn't engaged in any sex outside
their potential relationship.

In other words, two days wait means two dozen possible outside sexual
encounters for each potential partner.  Do you really trust your new
partner enough to not have cheated on you during the time window
between taking the blood samples and receiving the results from the
off-site laboratory?
No One - 09 Aug 2007 00:45 GMT
> don warner saklad wrote...
> > Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
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> I'm not aware of any instant HIV tests and normal blood tests take
> several days to weeks to complete.  U

<http://www.emedicinehealth.com/rapid_oral_hiv_test/article_em.htm>.
An oral test that produces results in 20 minutes was available in
2004.  It isn't perfect - it produces false positives in some
circumstances - but it apparently doesn't produce false negatives.
Death - 09 Aug 2007 14:51 GMT
> > don warner saklad wrote...
> > > Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
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> 2004.  It isn't perfect - it produces false positives in some
> circumstances - but it apparently doesn't produce false negatives.

This should scare the sh.t out of you faggots if HIV can be detected
in the mouth.
ScottyFLL - 09 Aug 2007 15:04 GMT
> > > don warner saklad wrote...
> > > > Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
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> This should scare the sh.t out of you faggots if HIV can be detected
> in the mouth.

Why is that, honey?  Do you think that finding antibodies or particles
of HIV in saliva or mouth tissue means that kissing will cause AIDS?

Cretin.
bobandcarole - 09 Aug 2007 15:32 GMT
> > > > don warner saklad wrote...
> > > > > Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
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>
> Cretin.

How comical it will be if it CAN happen, right ScAtMaN?
Of course they would have to remove the old, crusty sh.t
from your mouth before they could test you...
ScottyFLL - 09 Aug 2007 16:03 GMT
> > > > > don warner saklad wrote...
> > > > > > Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
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>
> How comical it will be if it CAN happen, right ScAtMaN?

If it CAN happen, then there are a LOT more people than just gay men
who are in trouble.

> Of course they would have to remove the old, crusty sh.t
> from your mouth before they could test you

Nothing crusty anywhere on me, Blob.  Here are two words with which
you might want to familiarize yourself:  toothpaste, and shower.
bobandcarole - 09 Aug 2007 16:06 GMT
> > > > > > don warner saklad wrote...
> > > > > > > Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
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> Nothing crusty anywhere on me, Blob.  Here are two words with which
> you might want to familiarize yourself:  toothpaste, and shower.

Sez ScAtMaN Scotty after munching on a turd like it's a dill
pickle. :-)
Death - 09 Aug 2007 16:10 GMT
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole004@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> How comical it will be if it CAN happen, right ScAtMaN?
> Of course they would have to remove the old, crusty sh.t
> from your mouth before they could test you...

Yuck, lol. ScattyFull.
Martin - 09 Aug 2007 12:48 GMT
>don warner saklad wrote...
>> Do you and your potential sex partner know each others' test results
>> for A VARIETY of sexually transmitted diseases?... Ask -- Let's get
>> tested TOGETHER BEFORE we have sex http://notb4weknow.blogspot.com

>I'm not aware of any instant HIV tests...

There are no HIV tests at all!  It's a bit difficult to test for
something that doesn't exist.
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