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Zodiac Killer - 15 Apr 2004 06:44 GMT
I used to be a hardcore tweeker but have been off it for 5 years now.
Anyway, my out of state brother has been flaking out bad for at least
2 years now.  He had a good job and our parents BOUGHT him both a
nice condo which he pays no rent on AND a nice car which he doesn't
have to make payments on.  I should probably mention that he has
AIDS, but is covered by both the county AIDS assistance program and
company health insurance (or was until he lost his job several
months ago), so the cost of his medical treatment isn't a factor.

Anyway, the problem is that despite having a fairly well-paying job
and virtually no expenses in the form of rent and car, he was
ALWAYS broke and bumming money off our parents.  Almost every week
he was phoning to beg for yet another check for several hundred
dollars.  He even got himself arrested last year after getting
stopped for expired license plates.  It seems that although my
father bought him that nice car about 8 months before, he never
bothered to register it and simply put his old plates on it.  So
when he was pulled over he not only had expired plates, but also
falsely represented plates, AND several unpaid traffic tickets
that had all gone to warrant, AND no insurance!!!  So my parents
paid his bail, wired him $1000 for the fine that the court would
impose with the expectation that he would return the balance if
the fine was less.  The fine was $180 but rather than return the
remaining $820 my brother KEPT IT without permission then had the
balls to phone a week later to beg for even more money!  Of course
he had absolutely no logical explanation for how $820 evaporated
in a week.

And that was all last year.  This year he lost his nice job after
calling in "sick" about 10,000 times too often.  So my parents
paid his car insurance, stocked his pantry with hundreds of
dollars of groceries, and sent him probably a few thousand dollars
in checks.  Then his electricity got cut off (again) so my parents
phoned in a credit card payment to have it turned back on.  Then
his phone got cut off (again) and once again my parents paid to
have it reconnected.  Several weeks ago his phone bill was due so
my parents sent him a check to cover it.  You guessed it, he
didn't pay it and now has no telephone!  There is a $50 reconnect
charge and he is using the more expensive "alternative" local
phone company service that caters to people with bad credit
because he owes several hundred dollars to the regular phone
company that disconnected him for nonpayment several years ago.
And I won't even mention the flock of creditors after him for
what we estimate to be at least $10,000 in unpaid bills.

He called tonight from a friend's house (he "lost" the 3 phone
cards my father sent him just a few weeks ago) begging for more
money again.  My mother pressed him until he finally broke down
and admitted he was on crystal meth.  He claims he's been using
it just since this New Year's, but I know he's used it off and
on for at least 10 years, in fact he was the one who turned me
on to it the first time.  I've been telling our parents I knew
he was on either meth or crack or heroin or all of them at
once.  Then of course he smokes at least a 1/4oz of pot a week
($50) plus 2 packs of cigarettes a day ($45/week).  And almost
every night of the week he is down at the goddamn gay bar
buying $5 drinks for all his so-called "friends."

I estimate that his drug dealer has now gotten $20,000 of our
parents' money and the gay bar another $20-$30,000, not to
mention another $20,000 for the convenience store in cigarette
sales.  And this doesn't include his salary he spent on these
things before he lost his job.  And we all know that the county
taxpayers haven't received a dime in compensation for the AIDS
treatment they so generously provide to him and his fellow
HIV+ idiots free of charge.

So we don't know what to do with him.  The AIDS program offers
free "counseling" but it is probably nothing more than chanting
communist propaganda slogans at him about how it's all Ronald
Reagan's and Newt Gingrich's fault.  Professional rehab doesn't
seem acceptable to me, as they "treat" you until the day your
insurance or savings run out then pronounce you "cured" and
kick you out.  Then it is very difficult to separate the legit
rehab programs from the Jeezus and Scientology scams.

I've been suggesting hiring a professional cult deprogrammer.
I have noticed that my brother almost appears to be in a sort
of cult, the cult of the gay community.  When he talks he
rants a bunch of leftist politics and raves about the gay
community and gay bar.  To him the gay bar is the absolute
center of the f.cking universe.  And to him the local gay rag
(The Bugle) is holy scripture.  Try to imagine a gay Karl Marx
on crystal meth and you're close.  And while I consider Rush
Limbaugh to simply be a fat drug-addicted windbag, to my
brother he represents Satan Incarnate.  In all, I consider his
strange behavior and beliefs to be very cultish, calling for
the drastic measure of professional deprogramming (I think the
standard deprogramming technique is to kidnap the cultist,
take him to a Holiday Inn suite, and dunk his head in the toilet
while chanting propaganda slogans at him until he renounces his
beliefs).

When I quit meth cold turkey in 1999 it took a full year before
the cravings (really incessant thoughts about doing it) went
away, then just as I got over the cravings I went crazy,
presumably due to the dopamine imbalance caused by the meth, and
had to go on the antipsychotic drug Risperdal.

Anyway, that's the story if any of you care.  I still maintain
my libertarian position that adults have a right to use any
drugs they want.  But that doesn't mean drugs don't cause
problems.  I still defend marijauna, no one ever had their lives
ruined from smoking pot, despite what the government propaganda
tries to make us believe.  I also support hallucinogens like
LSD and psilocybin, though my brother flipped out from LSD after
it reacted with his AIDS medication (we think) and had to be
hauled off to the loony bin in a straightjacket.  It was rather
funny at the time, as he was ranting and raving about how the
government was trying to wipe out AIDS by killing all the gays
and thought they were burning West Hollywood and actually drove
all the way to California to try to stop the massacre.  By the
time he got there he was so disoriented all he could do was
phone my father to come pick him up.

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"Drugs should be freely distributed.  That way the people who want to
kill themselves will do it, leaving more room for the people who can
do the rest of the drugs."
-- Marilyn Manson
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David Bamford - 15 Apr 2004 16:04 GMT
Imagine trying to go through the withdrawal that you went through, and at
the same time having every medical person around you telling you will
probably die, and you might relise why he is so intent on being out of it
all the time, and being with people that may understand.  And don't sound so
bitter yourself, you just sound jelouse in the end.
> I used to be a hardcore tweeker but have been off it for 5 years now.
> Anyway, my out of state brother has been flaking out bad for at least
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> -- Marilyn Manson
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Zodiac Killer - 15 Apr 2004 19:38 GMT
"David Bamford" <dj56@ihug.com.au> wrote...
> Imagine trying to go through the withdrawal that you went through, and at
> the same time having every medical person around you telling you will
> probably die, and you might relise why he is so intent on being out of it
> all the time, and being with people that may understand.  And don't sound so
> bitter yourself, you just sound jelouse in the end.

Jealous?!?  Of what?  And he's NOT going to die anytime soon unless he
keeps using the meth.  He probably had about a year to live just when
they invented the new "cocktail" drugs.  The first set of drugs worked
for 7 years before the virus became resistant and now he's on the
second set which I imagine will probably work for a similar amount of
time.  But then I heard that meth either suppresses the immune system
or speeds up viral replication, but I don't know if either is true.
As for marijuana, well my brother's doctor, along with just about
every AIDS doctor in the world, actually recommended smoking it as it
enhances appetite and helps put weight on AIDS patients.  So my
brother goes and counteracts marijuana's beneficial effect completely
by using meth which not only destroys appetite but speeds up
metabolism so that one loses more weight than by simply not eating.

As for "being out of it," well my brother was pretty much out of it
before he tested HIV+ in 1994.  Even before finding out he had AIDS
he was constantly in a drug and alcohol haze.  And the sad thing is
that even when he's sober he's not exactly the brightest bulb in
the chandelier.  And even though he comes from a respectable upper
middle-class family, it seems he goes out of his way to associate
with the lowest trash imaginable.  You wouldn't believe some of the
freaks he calls "friends" that he's dragged home from that goddamn
gay bar.  To call them "trailer trash" is not a figure of speech,
his current meth buddy really does live in a trailer (and collects
welfare)!  Of course, my brother is so naïve that he imagines this
guy really is his friend and doesn't realize that it is only
because he buys the meth they snort together and drives him all
over town every day because he doesn't have a car (never a penny
for gas, of course).

Anyway, my parents have been discussing the possibility of letting
him move in with them to get him away from Las Vegas.  It makes
sense as they simply cannot afford to support him living out of
state.  And where they live there really are no drugs, not to
mention no goddamn gay bars where he would hook up with drugs.
He might be bored, but he also might learn that there are things
to do in life than go to the goddamn gay bar every night.  He
might learn to read something more intellectual than "Stud"
magazine.  All the propaganda slogans in the world aren't going
to get him off the meth, only moving away from it is going to
work.  The only thing they can't figure out is how to get him
his AIDS meds.  Clark County (Las Vegas) has a fairly good and
liberal AIDS treatment program.  If he moves he may face a
minimum residency requirement before qualifying and there is no
guarantee that it will be as good and generous.  They are also
planning to move to Utah by the end of the year and I suspect
Utah has less than a dozen total HIV cases for the entire state
so I can't imagine the small retirement community my parents
plan to move to is going to have a very good AIDS program.

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"'There will be no loyalty, except loyalty toward the Party.  There will
be no love, except the love of Big Brother.  There will be no laughter,
except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy.  There will be no
art, no literature, no science.  When we are omnipotent we shall have no
more need of science.  There will be no distinction between beauty and
ugliness.  There will be no curiosity, no employment of the process of
life.  All competing pleasures will be destroyed.  But always - do not
forget this, Winston - always there will be the intoxication of power,
constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler.  Always, at every
moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling
on an enemy who is helpless.  If you want a picture of the future,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face - FOREVER!'"
-- George Orwell; "1984"
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jose - 04 May 2004 06:38 GMT
Would your folks like an adopted son who does no drugs except an occasional
beeror pill and keeps his bills paid
I am open for hire

> "David Bamford" <dj56@ihug.com.au> wrote...
> > Imagine trying to go through the withdrawal that you went through, and at
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> -- George Orwell; "1984"
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hal - 18 May 2004 07:09 GMT
Your brother sounds like he is one- spoiled, two- allows himself to be
a victim.

The line of thinking goes something like this, even if one has been
victimized in life how is affirming it and reinforcing it going to
alleviate it. Somethimes its just time to move on.

The cult thing rings pretty true to me. Sounds like he's caught up in
an aids cult as well:

From Gary Nulls website:

Arguments Against the Existence of HIV

Some virologists now claim that the microbe accused of causing AIDS
has never been isolated and cultured. In other words, it has never
been shown to exist. Recent reports from an Australian scientific
team, E. Papadopulos-Eleopulos et al have brought this idea to light.
In a recent journal Papadopulos reports, "...all the evidence comes
from electron micrographs of whole cell cultures, not density
gradients. From this evidence, it can be said that cell cultures
[contain] a large variety of particles, some of which are claimed to
look like retroviral particles. That's all. None of the particle data
has been taken further--no purification, no analysis, and no proof of
replication. In these cultures, several research groups, including
Hans Gelderblom and his associates from the Koch Institute in Berlin
who specializes in this area, have reported not just one type of
particle but a stunning array of particles.

"This raises several questions. If one of these particles really is a
retrovirus experts call HIV, what are all the others? If the HIV
particles originate from the tissues of AIDS patients, where do all
the others come from? Which of these particles band at 1.16 gm/ml? If
the HIV particles cause AIDS, why doesn't one or several of the other
particles also cause AIDS? Or why doesn't AIDS or the cultures cause
the appearance of the particles? And when it comes to HIV, the HIV
experts can't even agree what is the HIV particle. There are three
subfamilies of retrovirus and HIV has been classified by different
research groups under two of these subfamilies as well as three
different species." 2

In his own work, German virologist Stefan Lanka has reached the same
conclusion: "A virus is an easily definable entity. It's the very
stable product of cells...easy to isolate. To characterize a virus,
you have to photograph the isolated particle; then you destroy the
virus, characterize the proteins of the virus, and photograph the
protein. And you do the same with the genetic material of the
virus....This has never ever been done with HIV." 3

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/aids.htm

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=aids+myths&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=4s2e47%24eh
6%40news.xs4all.nl&rnum=1

GMCarter - 18 May 2004 09:24 GMT
>Your brother sounds like he is one- spoiled, two- allows himself to be
>a victim.
>
>The line of thinking goes something like this, even if one has been
>victimized in life how is affirming it and reinforcing it going to
>alleviate it. Somethimes its just time to move on.

Yes, this is not bad advice--however, the remaining material from Gary
Null, an idiot with the brain of a dessicated mummy, is NOT good
advice and would simply result in the fellow winding up like David
Pasquarelli: deader than a doornail.

>The cult thing rings pretty true to me. Sounds like he's caught up in
>an aids cult as well:

LOL... talk about cults: Gary Null sells WAY overpriced supplements of
unknown quality while dispensing the kind of nonsense that makes it
easy for quackbusters to point a finger and say, look, see? An idiot.
Therefore none of it works. (Quackbusters, though, aren't much known
for their brains either.)

>From Gary Nulls website:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>has never been isolated and cultured. In other words, it has never
>been shown to exist.

This is old news and has been amply refuted. For Null to follow this
line of thinking suggests that NO viruses exist. The Perth group has
never done one minute's worth of lab research--and following THEM
despite the work of thousands of others who DO this type of work is
more cult-like behavior.

I am hoping that the foks at WBAI will finally sack his sorry a.s as I
encourage people to BOYCOTT WBAI until he is removed from the air.

        George M. Carter
Hal - 19 May 2004 02:23 GMT
> >Your brother sounds like he is one- spoiled, two- allows himself to be
> >a victim.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
>         George M. Carter

If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific
documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact,
at least with a high probability. There is no such document."

Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really
convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a
retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical
virology."

Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and
Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.

I dont know much about Gary Null. I know almost nil about null. I did
read a bit of his book abut aids, Rethinking Aids, and it seemed very
well researched. All your argument really proves to me is that even
aids dissidents are not immune to greed. Thanks for reinforcing in my
mind the extent to which capitalism breeds pestulence.
GMCarter - 19 May 2004 08:14 GMT
snip...
>If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific
>documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact,
>at least with a high probability. There is no such document."
>
>Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

LOL. Yes--there ARE. First, this is an old statement. Mullis has been
shown to be wrong about a lot, even regarding his own PCR invention.
Indeed, there is no ONE document that shows HIV exists and causes
AIDS. There are MYRIAD.

Indeed, there is no ONE document to show that influenza causes the
flu.

It's a stupid argument without intrinsic value.

>"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really
>convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and
>Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.

He seems to be into nightshade viroids. What methods does he
specifically prefer for such isolation and purification?

I would hope such an august person would come up with more than just a
general opinion and provide some specifics.

>I dont know much about Gary Null. I know almost nil about null. I did
>read a bit of his book abut aids, Rethinking Aids, and it seemed very
>well researched. All your argument really proves to me is that even
>aids dissidents are not immune to greed. Thanks for reinforcing in my
>mind the extent to which capitalism breeds pestulence.

Gary Null didn't write that. Robert Root-Bernstein did. It was an
interesting book. I believe he no longer is part of the denialist
camp.

        George M. Carter
Hal - 19 May 2004 02:29 GMT
> >Your brother sounds like he is one- spoiled, two- allows himself to be
> >a victim.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
>         George M. Carter

Never mind, Null didnt write rethinking Aids. And since he is not
mentioned on the virusmyth website I might venture to acknowlege that
he could be an idiot, though you made no citations and all your post
amounts to until you do is slander.
Gary Stein - 19 May 2004 02:44 GMT
> Never mind, Null didnt write rethinking Aids. And since he is not
> mentioned on the virusmyth website I might venture to acknowlege that
> he could be an idiot, though you made no citations and all your post
> amounts to until you do is slander.

If the viusmyth website is your only source of information on HIV/AIDS then
your comments are understandable.

If on the other hand you have read some of the research on HIV/AIDS from
sources other then the dissident websites can you describe what it is that
you find unconvincing about the science? Please try to either use references
or be as descriptive as you can in explaining your doubts. References/quotes
from virusmyth are not needed in that they have been thoroughly debunked
thousands of times in this and other forums so do try and find something to
say from your own mind and reading rather then simply parroting the
dissident mantra.

Gary Stein
 
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