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Doctors recruited by Australia's HIV 'witch hunt'

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Martin - 25 Jul 2007 01:01 GMT
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CIVIL libertarians have attacked a decision by Australia's health
ministers to introduce mandatory reporting by doctors of "risky" HIV
patients to state health authorities.

The nation's health ministers decided on the policy change yesterday
at a meeting in Sydney.

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Death - 25 Jul 2007 12:48 GMT
"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message

> CIVIL libertarians have attacked a decision by Australia's health
> ministers to introduce mandatory reporting by doctors of "risky" HIV
> patients to state health authorities.
>
> The nation's health ministers decided on the policy change yesterday
> at a meeting in Sydney.

Microchips mulled for HIV carriers in Indonesia's Papua

Jul 24 03:57 AM US/Eastern

 Lawmakers in Indonesia's Papua are mulling the selective use of chip implants in HIV carriers to
monitor their behaviour in a bid to keep them from infecting others, a doctor said Tuesday.
John Manangsang, a doctor who is helping to prepare a new healthcare regulation bill for Papua's
provincial parliament, said that unusual measures were needed to combat the virus.

"We in the government in Papua have to think hard on ways to provide protection to people from the
spread of the disease," Manangsang told AFP.

"Some of the infected people experience a change of behaviour and can turn more aggressive and would
not think twice of infecting others," he alleged, saying lawmakers were considering various sanctions
for these people.

"Among one of the means being considered is the monitoring of those infected people who can pose a
danger to others," Manangsang said.

"The use of chip implants is one of the ways to do so, but only for those few who turn aggressive and
clearly continue to disregard what they know about the disease and spread the virus to others," he
said.

A decision was still a long way off, he added.

The head of the Papua chapter of the National AIDS Commission, Constant Karma, reportedly slammed the
proposal as a violation of human rights.

"People with HIV/AIDS are not like sharks under observation so that they have to be implanted with
microchips to monitor their movements," he told the Jakarta Post on Tuesday.

"Any form of identification of people with HIV/AIDS violates human rights."

According to data from Papua's health office cited by the Post, the province has just over 3,000
people living with HIV/AIDS. Some 356 deaths have been reported. Papua has a population of about 2.5
million.
Martin - 25 Jul 2007 14:31 GMT
>"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message
>> CIVIL libertarians have attacked a decision by Australia's health
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>> The nation's health ministers decided on the policy change yesterday
>> at a meeting in Sydney.

>Microchips mulled for HIV carriers in Indonesia's Papua
>
>Jul 24 03:57 AM US/Eastern

I was reading about this earlier.

#1 Fan will probably be campaigning for US states to chip "HIV
carriers" too.  Perhaps HIV- gays could be issued with hand scanners
so they could immediately tell whether their shag for the night was
infected or not.

>"The use of chip implants is one of the ways to do so, but only
>for those few who turn aggressive and clearly continue to disregard
>what they know about the disease and spread the virus to
>others," he [John Manangsang] said.

I think he's confusing HIV with rabies.

It's reminiscent of what the Nazis did to gays and Jews seventy years
ago.  Back then it was pink triangles, yellow stars and tattoos.
Technology has advanced and these things have progressed into embedded
chips.

I find it quite amusing that HIV=AIDS believers call people who don't
believe their lies 'denialists,' in an attempt to link us to Nazi
sympathisers.  However, these are also the people who support bizarre
'medical' experiments on humans and now want to permanently mark
everyone who carries THEIR virus.
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#1 Fan - 25 Jul 2007 22:40 GMT
Martin wrote...
> <http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/risky-hiv-carriers-to-be-reported/2007/07
/24/1185043115537.html
>:
>
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> The nation's health ministers decided on the policy change yesterday
> at a meeting in Sydney.

I live in the USA and such a law would be unconstitutional if only "risky"
HIV patients were reported.  In most of our jurisdictions, ALL people
testing positive for HIV are reported to state and federal authorities,
but there is no categorizing their danger to others.  And while they are
definitely a danger to others, I do not see how a doctor can be expected
to know the details of his patients' sex lives, therefore he has no
business declaring some patients riskier than others unless they tell him
they buttfuck several hundred strangers a week.
Death - 28 Jul 2007 14:00 GMT
"#1 Fan" <fan@superstar.stalk.net> wrote in message

> I live in the USA and such a law would be unconstitutional if only "risky"
> HIV patients were reported.  In most of our jurisdictions, ALL people
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> business declaring some patients riskier than others unless they tell him
> they buttfuck several hundred strangers a week.

The AustralianJuly 25, 2007 12:33am AEST
THE AUSTRALIAN

A study of 1457 HIV-positive men living in North Carolina, aged 18 to 30, revealed that the use of
"club drugs" such as crystal methamphetamine, ecstasy and other stimulants had jumped from 12 per
cent in 2000 to 22 per cent in 2005.

According to the team leader -- infectious disease expert Christopher Hurt with the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- the findings confirmed that gay sex and club drugs were a dangerous
cocktail that was helping to spread HIV "like wildfire".

Speaking yesterday in Sydney at the fourth International AIDS Society Conference on HIV Pathogenesis,
Treatment and Prevention, Dr Hurt cautioned that the link between drugs and HIV was indirect. He
suggested that the drugs reduced inhibitions, making it more likely that users engaged in unsafe sex.

Although the trend is alarming and has been observed in several countries including the US and
Canada, HIV-AIDS expert John Kaldor said the local situation was different. "So far methamphetamine
use is not associated with HIV infection in a serious way in Australia," said Professor Kaldor,
deputy director of the National Centre in HIV Epidemiology and Clinical Research and co-chairman of
the local arm of the conference.

"The extent of methamphetamine (use) is still low in our population. But it is something we keep a
close eye on here."

In response to the findings, the AIDS Council of NSW called for increased funding for drug and
alcohol research.

"The relationship between crystal use and potential HIV transmission is a complex one, said Stevie
Clayton, head of ACON. "It involves the party and sex club scenes, esoteric sexual practices, meeting
partners over the internet, poly-drug use and the use of drugs to prolong sex. What we need is more
research to understand the relationship between crystal use and all these other factors."

Federal, state and territory health ministers meeting in Sydney yesterday agreed to introduce rules
requiring doctors to report any HIV-positive patients who they suspected had infected or deliberately
intended to infect other people.

The move -- agreed to by all ministers -- was proposed by the Government of South Australia, where
there has been controversy over the case of an HIV-positive man accused of endangering lives by
intentionally having unprotected sex with men he met through an internet site.

NSW Health Minister Reba Meagher, who chaired the ministers' meeting, said it would be a "reasonable
requirement for clinicians ... to notify the relevant health authorities" in such cases. However, she
said penalties for breaching the requirement had not been discussed and would be up to each state to
decide.

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