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Put your health where you mouth is: HIV meds for everyone!

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Martin - 22 Jul 2007 17:40 GMT
It looks like those people who keep telling me I should be stuffing
myself with HIV drugs may soon have a chance to try some of their own
medicine.

<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=avwsFKCGoZqo&refer=australia>:

----- Being quote -----

July 22 (Bloomberg) -- HIV drugs will be given to people who don't
have the virus by U.S. scientists to determine whether the medicines
can protect those at greatest risk of catching the AIDS-causing
disease.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta are
recruiting volunteers in Thailand, Botswana and the U.S. to test
so-called pre-exposure prophylaxis as a means of prevention. The
National Institutes of Health is planning a trial for Peru and
Ecuador, researchers told an AIDS conference in Sydney today.

The theory suggests that taking anti-HIV drugs before potential
exposure to the virus can protect a person against acquiring it
through risky sex or intravenous drug use. It's controversial because
of concern it may raise resistance to the drugs, making them less
effective when infection happens.

"We don't yet have definitive proof this is effective,'' Dawn Smith,
the CDC's associate chief for science, told the conference.

Unlike other experimental approaches to fighting HIV such as vaccines
and microbicides, the technique uses drugs that are already in use,
such as Gilead Sciences Inc.'s Viread and Truvada. The regime has been
shown to lower the risk of infection in monkeys, according to the AIDS
Vaccine Advocacy Coalition.

U.S. Trial

The U.S. trial will target young black males who have sex with men
because they are statistically more at risk of contracting HIV than
their white peers, Smith said. The Thai trial will target as many as
2,000 injecting drug users, and the trial in Botswana will recruit as
many as 1,200 heterosexual men and women. The CDC expects its first
set of results by mid-next year, Smith said.

----- End quote -----

And, yes, I fell of my chair when I read this too!  Even those who
post here in support of HIV medication admit that it's toxic and
deadly.

It's 'comforting' to know that after testing this new whim on monkeys
the first set of people carefully chosen for the trial is "young black
males who have sex with men."

And the supporters of the HIV=AIDS theory have the nerve to compare
those of us who don't believe their lies with Nazis.
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Death - 23 Jul 2007 16:29 GMT
"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >

> The U.S. trial will target young black males who have sex with men...
>
> It's 'comforting' to know that after testing this new whim on monkeys...

I hope the monkeys suffer no ill effects.........
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 23 Jul 2007 18:02 GMT
>It looks like those people who keep telling me I should be stuffing
>myself with HIV drugs ...

If you've never been tested for HIV (as you've claimed elsewhere),
then why would there be people saying you should take HIV drugs?
Is this just your fantasy factory running at full output capacity,
or is something else going on here?

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Martin - 24 Jul 2007 01:09 GMT
>>It looks like those people who keep telling me I should be stuffing
>>myself with HIV drugs ...

>If you've never been tested for HIV (as you've claimed elsewhere),
>then why would there be people saying you should take HIV drugs?
>Is this just your fantasy factory running at full output capacity,
>or is something else going on here?

I don't recall ever claiming otherwise.  I have specifically mentioned
on several occasions I was diagnosed 'HIV+' twelve and a half years
ago.

Why do people tell me, someone who's fit and healthy, that I should be
stuffing myself with HIV medication?  I think 'vested interest' is the
answer you're looking for.  Interestingly, most of these 'advisors'
are involved in the HIV/AIDS industry in some way.

So, I don't think my "fantasy factory" is running at all.  The fantasy
appears to be in the minds of those who believe the HIV=AIDS theory.

You asked if there was "something else going on here?"  Are you
questioning my motives?  Unlike the majority of people who post in
this newsgroup, I am GAY and have been diagnosed HIV+.  So, I don't
post from an anti-gay viewpoint or as an HIV- 'do-gooder:'  I have
been living with an HIV+ diagnosis for twelve and a half years.

I'm not alone in doubting HIV.  And I'm not alone in being diagnosed
HIV+ and not showing any symptoms of the 'deadly virus,' despite not
taking any HIV medication.  The believers of HIV try to brush us under
the carpet and discredit us as 'denialists.'  It's interesting that
you chose to question my motives rather than comment on the
information I posted.

What motivates you to post here?
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David Canzi -- non-mailable - 24 Jul 2007 03:24 GMT
>>>It looks like those people who keep telling me I should be stuffing
>>>myself with HIV drugs ...
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>stuffing myself with HIV medication?  I think 'vested interest' is the
>answer you're looking for.

When they say you should take HIV drugs they have to tell you
some reason why.  What reason did they tell you, and why did
they believe you'd accept that reason given that you've never
been tested for HIV?

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Martin - 24 Jul 2007 13:02 GMT
>>Why do people tell me, someone who's fit and healthy, that I should be
>>stuffing myself with HIV medication?  I think 'vested interest' is the
>>answer you're looking for.

>When they say you should take HIV drugs they have to tell you
>some reason why.  What reason did they tell you, and why did
>they believe you'd accept that reason given that you've never
>been tested for HIV?

My 'CD4 count' is below 200.  This is the sole reason I've been
advised and pressured into taking HIV medication.

Why did they think I'd accept their advice?  Presumably because they
believe HIV exists and leads to AIDS, and assume everyone else
believes that too.  There's been plenty of high profile advertising
during the past 25 years to promote the flawed theory.
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David Canzi -- non-mailable - 24 Jul 2007 16:23 GMT
>>>Why do people tell me, someone who's fit and healthy, that I should be
>>>stuffing myself with HIV medication?  I think 'vested interest' is the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>My 'CD4 count' is below 200.  This is the sole reason I've been
>advised and pressured into taking HIV medication.

Thank you -- that was all I wanted to know.

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