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Martin - 10 Jul 2007 23:31 GMT
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"OKLAHOMA CITY - Two University of Oklahoma scientists are starting
research that they hope will someday lead to the development of a
vaccine to combat the HIV virus, which causes AIDS.

The research to be performed by Mark Lang, an assistant professor of
microbiology and immunology at the OU Health Sciences Center, and
microbiologist John West will examine the basic aspects of the immune
system, rather than the complex aspects of the virus.

[...]

'There have been many promising candidates for a possible vaccine over
the years, but we've only been able to fully understand the immune
system's function in the last five years,' Lang said."

I doubt anyone "fully" understands the human immune system.  It's
interesting they claim this understanding has only recently been
achieved.  It makes me wonder what knowledge the discovery of HIV and
previous HIV drug development was based on.

"Lang said that in a best-case scenario, their research could lead to
a vaccine ready for use in about four years."

LOL.  And where have we heard that before?

This time the prediction may come true, though.  The HIV=AIDS theory
is running out of steam, and an HIV vaccine would provide the drug
companies with a nice stream of income.
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Joe B - 12 Jul 2007 11:11 GMT
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>"OKLAHOMA CITY - Two University of Oklahoma scientists are starting
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>is running out of steam, and an HIV vaccine would provide the drug
>companies with a nice stream of income.

Many years ago (1998 IIRC) in this group we debated what medical
science really knows about the human immune system. At that time, a
regular poster, an immunologist acknowledged that we probably have an
understanding at a 20% level. The Dr. did indicate that placing a
percent on it was difficult but the 20% was what was established.
Based on that all we've been doing for the past 25 years or so is
guessing
Martin - 12 Jul 2007 15:08 GMT
>Many years ago (1998 IIRC) in this group we debated what medical
>science really knows about the human immune system. At that time, a
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>Based on that all we've been doing for the past 25 years or so is
>guessing

A medical diagnosis is little more than informed guesswork.  That's
why patients who are unhappy with their diagnosis go elsewhere for a
'second opinion.'

And what we see with HIV is what happens when guesswork is based on
guesswork.
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JOHN - 13 Jul 2007 21:43 GMT
> Many years ago (1998 IIRC) in this group we debated what medical
> science really knows about the human immune system. At that time, a
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> Based on that all we've been doing for the past 25 years or so is
> guessing

yeah, so vaccination is an experiment, and just from history we can tell
easily all vaccination is useless and dangerous
 
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