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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / September 2007Australian HIV witch hunts continues
<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22053973-2702,00.html>: "Mr Mwale was committed to stand trial on three counts of engaging in reckless conduct that placed a woman in danger of serious injury between February and November 2004. He pleaded not guilty." Is testing HIV anitbody positive really a "serious injury?" I can't understand the logic.  Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 >I can't understand the logic. Q.E.D. >>I can't understand the logic. >Q.E.D. Perhaps you will explain it to me. Here's the text you conveniently snipped: "<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22053973-2702,00.html>: "Mr Mwale was committed to stand trial on three counts of engaging in reckless conduct that placed a woman in danger of serious injury between February and November 2004. He pleaded not guilty." Is testing HIV anitbody positive really a "serious injury?"" Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 Martin wrote... > "<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22053973-2702,00.html>: > "Mr Mwale was committed to stand trial on three counts of engaging in > reckless conduct that placed a woman in danger of serious injury > between February and November 2004. He pleaded not guilty." > > Is testing HIV anitbody positive really a "serious injury?"" Umm, yeah it is. Actually, a reasonable jury would agree that the use of lethal force to prevent HIV infection is justified, something you should consider next time you decide to f.ck someone who has not consented in writing to having been fully informed and still agreeing to let you give them your viral load. And if someone actually does agree to such a thing in writing, they are insane and mentally incompetent and such a contract would have no legal validity and the jury would still acquit them. Lately I've noticed an attitude that HIV is no big deal, and that giving it to someone is really no worse than giving them herpes. Unpleasant and icky, but not really constituting an act of murder and so there is no moral qualm about inflicting this plague on someone. It seems to me that it shouldn't matter how long it takes for an assault victim to die of his injuries for the attack to be defined as murder, whether it is 30 seconds for a massive brain hemorrhage or 30 years to decompose like a block of Spam left out in the sun. >Martin wrote... >> "<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22053973-2702,00.html>: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Is testing HIV anitbody positive really a "serious injury?"" >Umm, yeah it is. Actually, a reasonable jury would agree that the use of >lethal force to prevent HIV infection is justified, something you should [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >in writing, they are insane and mentally incompetent and such a contract >would have no legal validity and the jury would still acquit them. Hmmm, well UK juries are a bit tougher than that. Take the case of Tony Martin, for example, who spent three and a half years in prison for killing a burglar: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/3101669.stm>. I suspect if the incident had happened in many places in the US the case wouldn't even have went to court. >Lately I've noticed an attitude that HIV is no big deal, and that giving >it to someone is really no worse than giving them herpes. Unpleasant and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >seconds for a massive brain hemorrhage or 30 years to decompose like a >block of Spam left out in the sun. I could live with that. HIV doesn't exists and, thus, has never killed anyone. Even if it were true and I passed it on to someone, I'd have died of 'natural causes' long before HIV killed them. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 > Martin wrote... > > "<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22053973-2702,00.html>:> > "Mr Mwale was committed to stand trial on three counts of engaging in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > writing to having been fully informed and still agreeing to let you give > them your viral load. <snip> Are you serious? Unless you are talking about a hypothetical HIV+ rapist who announces his HIV status before committing the crime, then "lethal force" is hardly justified as one could just say "no". If you only find out the other person's status after having sex, that also does not justify "lethal force" legally - an individual cannot lawfully act as the judge, jury, and executioner. No One wrote... >>Someone else wrote... >>>Is testing HIV anitbody positive really a "serious injury?"" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > does not justify "lethal force" legally - an individual cannot > lawfully act as the judge, jury, and executioner. I said no jury would convict, regardless of what the law says. It's hard to imagine a specific circumstance where a person agrees to sex but learns of the other partner's HIV+ status before intercourse begins, but in such a case the intent is pre-meditated murder, so I don't think anyone will feel sympathy for the HIV predator even if physical force wasn't needed to prevent the sexual activity from occurring. It would be easy to claim that you feared for your safety because someone so sociopathic and morally bankrupt that they would fail to inform you that they are about to infect you with AIDS is someone who could just as easily assault you. As I said, any (American) jury would agree that it was a justified killing in the name of self-defense. -------------------------------------------- "I'll make myself sick just to poison you... If I can't have you then no one will!" -- Marilyn Manson -------------------------------------------- > No One wrote... > >>Someone else wrote... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > physical force wasn't needed to prevent the sexual activity from > occurring. All you have to do is say "no". If someone tries to have sex with you anyway, it is rape or attempted rape and you have a right to defend yourself against that, regardless of HIV status. > It would be easy to claim that you feared for your safety because > someone so sociopathic and morally bankrupt that they would fail to > inform you that they are about to infect you with AIDS is someone > who could just as easily assault you. As I said, any (American) > jury would agree that it was a justified killing in the name of > self-defense. You would have no way of knowing the person's HIV status unless they told you, so exactly what is your point? "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > You would have no way of knowing the person's HIV status unless > they told you, so exactly what is your point? That is his point, lol faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That is his point, lol > faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. Oh you mean that all the infected heterosexuals around the world have it tattooed on there foreheads :-) >> faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. >Oh you mean that all the infected heterosexuals around the world have it >tattooed on there foreheads :-) As far am I'm aware, most of the criminal cases concerning sexual transmission of 'HIV' have involved heterosexual sex. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 >>> faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As far am I'm aware, most of the criminal cases concerning sexual > transmission of 'HIV' have involved heterosexual sex. The bigots do not wish to hear things like that, and will deny anything that does not show gays in a bad light. >>>> faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The bigots do not wish to hear things like that, and will deny anything that >does not show gays in a bad light. You're blowing smoke up your own a.s, Pedo-Baal. On a per capita basis the number of HIV/AIDS cases world wide is astronomically higher among homosexuals than it is among heterosexuals. In the US alone homosexual males (MSM) account for about 60% of all HIV/AIDS cases while heterosexual contact accounts for no more than 19%. If that doesn't shine a "Bad Light" on you homos then nothing does. > You're blowing smoke up your own a.s, Pedo-Baal. On a per capita basis > the number of HIV/AIDS cases world wide is astronomically higher among > homosexuals than it is among heterosexuals. In the US alone homosexual > males (MSM) account for about 60% of all HIV/AIDS cases while > heterosexual contact accounts for no more than 19%. If that doesn't > shine a "Bad Light" on you homos then nothing does. This 60% figure is a lie "leroyblue" aka bibon aka Bill Taylor posted time and time again under his other aliases. >> You're blowing smoke up your own a.s, Pedo-Baal. On a per capita basis >> the number of HIV/AIDS cases world wide is astronomically higher among [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This 60% figure is a lie "leroyblue" aka bibon aka Bill Taylor posted > time and time again under his other aliases. Most of what "leroyblue" posts is lies, if not all of it. Yet to see him back up his 'data' with a URL from any independent Government or AMA site. > >> You're blowing smoke up your own a.s, Pedo-Baal. On a per capita basis > >> the number of HIV/AIDS cases world wide is astronomically higher among > >> homosexuals than it is among heterosexuals. In the US alone homosexual > >> males (MSM) account for about 60% of all HIV/AIDS cases while > >> heterosexual contact accounts for no more than 19%. If that doesn't > >> shine a "Bad Light" on you homos then nothing does. By SARAH KERSHAW Published: August 12, 2007 It was a scourge of centuries past, a disease that ravaged the body and brain, drove geniuses to madness and slowly brought its victims to a terrible death. But syphilis, a sexually transmitted disease that was so rare by 1998 that federal health officials had planned to declare it eliminated by 2005, has made a troubling comeback in New York City and across the nation. In the first three months of this year, more than twice as many syphilis cases were diagnosed than were in the first quarter of 2006, according to the city Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. In recent years, the disease has been most common in men who have sex with men. But now, health officials say they are concerned about an increase in cases among women in New York, following a trend seen nationally beginning in 2005. After a decade with almost no female cases, health officials said the jump among women was possibly fueled by an increase in the number of men having sex with both men and women. City health officials said they were receiving more reports of bisexual behavior among men. And Dr. Stuart Berman, an epidemiologist at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that in the last few years, New York men with syphilis had reported engaging in bisexual behavior more often than men with the disease in other cities. Syphilis is highly contagious and can be hard to detect, but is easily curable with antibiotics. Untreated in pregnant women, it can cause stillbirth, severe birth defects and infant death. The raw numbers are relatively modest - 260 cases in New York for the first quarter of 2007, including 10 among women - but they also contain a troubling signal: risky behaviors and unsafe sex appear to be on the rise. And many health experts warned that a spike in H.I.V. cases could come on the heels of the syphilis outbreak. "There is risk going on out there," said Perry N. Halkitis, a professor of applied psychology at New York University who is studying the connection between the use of highly addictive drugs like methamphetamine and unsafe sex. "Most certainly you are going to see an increase in H.I.V. transmission." Federal health officials estimate that those infected with syphilis are two to five times more likely to become infected with H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS, because of the open sores caused by syphilis. But doctors said that because syphilis was on the decline until recently - medical providers do not routinely screen for it except in pregnant women - many people do not suspect the sores are a sign of infection. There is debate over when syphilis, caused by the bacterium Treponema pallidum, first appeared, but historians said it became a global plague in the 16th century. It was called "the great pox," to distinguish it from smallpox and because of the large, blistered rashes that occur in the late stages. A pantheon of historic figures and artists, including Al Capone, Manet and Toulouse-Lautrec, are believed to have died of syphilis, and some historians have suspected that others, including Hitler and Lenin, suffered from undiagnosed cases of the disease. Syphilis cases significantly declined with the advent of penicillin during World War II. The disease can look and feel like so many other ailments that it is also known as "the great imitator." In the final stage, as long as 30 years after initial infection, it can cause severe damage to many internal organs, depression, blindness and fits of creativity, and ultimately, death. It can easily be spread through oral sex, unlike some other sexually transmitted diseases, and is passed through direct contact with a syphilis sore. Symptoms occur an average of 21 days after infection, according to federal health officials, but they can take as long as 90 days to appear. The first sign is often a small, firm and round lesion at the point of the body where the disease was contracted. The lesion is painless and will heal without treatment, so many people are not aware they are infected. In 2005, the last year for which comparable federal data was available, the city's syphilis rate, 7.7 instances per 100,000 people, was more than double the national average of 3.0 per 100,000. Federal and local health officials said the rising rates of infection could be attributed to several factors: substance abuse that leads to increased sexual activity and unsafe sex; unsafe sex among people already infected with H.I.V.; complacency about the risks of H.I.V. infection and what some call "condom fatigue," as the vigilance that surrounded the early days of the AIDS epidemic has faded; and less fear of H.I.V. infection as the progress in treatment for AIDS means that a diagnosis is often no longer a death sentence. The last time city health officials reported a significant syphilis outbreak, in the 1990s, it was linked to unsafe sex that accompanied the crack epidemic. That outbreak was concentrated largely in poor neighborhoods outside Manhattan, whereas the current one is centered in Manhattan, with infected men living in Chelsea accounting for a majority of the cases. Blacks and Hispanics accounted for most new cases of syphilis, according to the city's recent survey, but whites experienced faster rates of increase. The 2007 numbers showed the incidence among white men was three times the incidence during the same period in 2006. A prominent theory nationally is that the methamphetamine epidemic has given rise to the syphilis comeback - and the greater risk for H.I.V. infection - because the highly addictive drug can cause hypersexuality, leading users to have frequent sex with multiple partners, often without taking precautions. Susan Blank, New York City's commissioner for sexually transmitted disease prevention and control, said the department had no data to prove that crystal methamphetamine addiction was responsible for higher syphilis rates. But Professor Halkitis, who is writing a book about methamphetamine, said drug abuse in New York was unquestionably driving rising rates of sexually transmitted diseases. Dr. Blank said the health department was alerting New Yorkers and their health care providers about the importance of screening for syphilis, offering free and confidential testing at all of its public clinics. The increase in cases among women also highlights the need to learn the sexual history of partners, health officials say, as some women may not know that their partners have had sex with men. The department launched a campaign in February to distribute millions of free condoms, and for those with a syphilis infection, it will confidentially notify sexual partners. >> >> You're blowing smoke up your own a.s, Pedo-Baal. On a per capita basis >> >> the number of HIV/AIDS cases world wide is astronomically higher among [quoted text clipped - 169 lines] > free condoms, and for those > with a syphilis infection, it will confidentially notify sexual partners. Well Death you, at your age should be well acquainted with syphilis, as it was in almost in epidemic proportions in the thirties, forties and fifties in the Southern USA. It seems even in these days around 80% of the syphilis cases in the USA are found in the South. Yes we know, not in white elderly undertakers............... > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > City health officials said they were receiving more reports of bisexual > > behavior among men. And Dr. Stuart Berman, an epidemiologist at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that > > in the last few years, New York men with syphilis had reported engaging in > > bisexual behavior more often than men with the disease in other cities. > > > > Blacks and Hispanics accounted for most new cases of syphilis, according > > to the city's recent survey, but whites experienced faster rates of increase. >> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> > to the city's recent survey, but whites experienced faster rates of >> > increase. Well Death you, at your age should be well acquainted with syphilis, as it was in almost in epidemic proportions in the thirties, forties and fifties in the Southern USA. It seems even in these days around 80% of the syphilis cases in the USA are found in the South. Yes we know, not in white elderly undertakers............... "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message > Well Death you, at your age should be well acquainted with syphilis, as it > was in almost in epidemic proportions in the thirties, forties and fifties > in the Southern USA. > > It seems even in these days around 80% of the syphilis cases in the USA are > found in the South. and what page in the CIA factbook did you find this crock of sh.t? > Yes we know, not in white elderly undertakers............... > "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > and what page in the CIA factbook did you find this crock of sh.t? I found it on the net, but not in the CIA fact book. Are you denying that the South has a greater proportion of Syphilis infections than the North? "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message > Are you denying that the South has a greater proportion of Syphilis > infections than the North? Yes "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > This 60% figure is a lie "leroyblue" aka bibon aka Bill Taylor posted > time and time again under his other aliases. It seems for once you are correct. Here is what the CDC said the percentage is, ....71%. Keep in mind this is only with 33 states reporting. CDC Home > HIV/AIDS > Topics > Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM) HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM) In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005 (based on data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting), even though only about 5% to 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify themselves as MSM [1, 2]. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm But once again this will be dismissed by denialist faggots and the old whine of liar will begin shortly as if this hadn't been posted a 100 times. > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Here is what the CDC said the percentage is, ....71%. > Keep in mind this is only with 33 states reporting. Actually, I'm nearly always "correct" but your "71%" ignores women, who also get infected. "Leroyblue" typically uses the male-only numbers and pretends that those are the numbers for the whole population. > http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm > > But once again this will be dismissed by denialist faggots > and the old whine of liar will begin shortly as if this hadn't > been posted a 100 times. Oh, so anyone who points out that you guys are ignoring women (who are the ones straight guys infect) is a "denialist faggot"? Grow up. > > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > (who are the ones straight guys infect) is a "denialist faggot"? > Grow up. Good advice, use it. Bi-faggots are the cocksuckers infecting straight women. You did notice that the CDC said faggots have 71% of HIV/AIDS with only 33 states reporting ? That leaves 29% to be divided among the 95% of population. That would include the down low nigger and the bi-faggots and drug abusers to share a piece of that 29% pie. Now how much is left for this heterosexual pandemic we hear so much about? Oh, can you guess which states are not reporting to the CDC? > >>> faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The bigots do not wish to hear things like that, and will deny anything that > does not show gays in a bad light. faggots and niggers lead the world in infections. How much worse can the light become? >> >>> faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > faggots and niggers lead the world in infections. How much worse > can the light become? Keep trolling Death. >>> >>> faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. >>> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Keep trolling Death. Stop cruising the playgrounds, Pedo-Baal. On Jul 16, 9:26?pm, leroyb...@pillinor.net wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:19:37 GMT, "RamRod Sword of Baal" > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Stop cruising the playgrounds, Pedo-Baal Remember when faggot ramrod' claimed that it was not also posting as faggot pedo 'raunchiboi''? In addition to the headers that almost perfectly match those of 'Ramrod' faggot 'raunchiboi' also uses the same sentence structure and is very hostile concerning political and religious posts. First a post from "Ramrod" Newsgroups: alt.flame.f.cking.faggots,alt.flame.faggots,alt.flame.niggers Subject: Re: Ramrod the lying faggot. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <uqFv8.22184$o66.71...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> > "You have no idea what evil is, you are obsessed with gays and gay sex, look at what real evil is, the killing of all those people in Palestine/Israel and in Ireland, all sparked by religion. The murder of millions of innocent Jews, gypsies and gays by the nazis, the 4 million that were killed when thepartition of India and Pakistan took place (more religion bloodshed)The tortured inmate of jails around the world for political 'crimes' etc etc etc" -- Ramrod Now a post from "raunchiboi" (notice the headers as well): Newsgroups: alt.flame.f.cking.faggots,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.flame.faggots,al t.flame.niggers References: <3rhn0v84s67mv2qrj5la02gavq01kc4...@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Rick Hodger : boundless liar X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <F_SP9.10273$aV5.26...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> "None of these Totalitarian Governments bring in all their evil laws at once, but slip them in one at a time so eventually you wake up one morning and find the police or secret police can march into your home without due cause and cart you away. And the US is heading that way in a basket, and these silly pricks are applauding, can you believe that actually applauding. Brain washed thoroughly." - raunchiboi The headers by themselves from other posts compared: From: "Ramrod" <ramrod@vikingbear.com> Newsgroups: alt.flame.f.cking.faggots,alt.flame.niggers X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <GEQn8.11834$EE4.38...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:02:14 GMT From: "RaunchiBoi" <raunchi...@raunchiboi.com> Newsgroups: alt.flame.f.cking.faggots X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <7m7c9.2770$Dr5.10...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:50:59 GMT Ramrod hated George Bush, just like raunchiboi. Ramrod used to post pics, just like raunchiboi. Ramrod used to post jokes that nobody ever laughed at, just like raunchiboi. The evidence just keeps mounting. Faggot 'raunchiboi' is a sockpuppet of faggot 'Ramrod', it's as simple as that... "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > As far am I'm aware, most of the criminal cases concerning sexual > transmission of 'HIV' have involved heterosexual sex. As long as it stayed in the fag community no one cared. Letting diseases out into the straight community, is a crime against humanity and hanging is a suitable punishment. > "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Letting diseases out into the straight community, is a crime > against humanity and hanging is a suitable punishment. Must be a slack night in the cold room as Death is still trolling. >> "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Must be a slack night in the cold room as Death is still trolling. But you found a "youngster." >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Letting diseases out into the straight community, is a crime >against humanity and hanging is a suitable punishment. The CDC has identified "Bisexuals" as the bridge between the homo subculture and heterosexual society. > >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The CDC has identified "Bisexuals" as the bridge between the homo > subculture and heterosexual society. The bi-faggot has brought AIDS back to their wives and girl-friends after taking an infected dick up their perverted a.shole. I don't need the CDC to tell me the obvious, even if it did take the CDC 25 years to come to that conclusion. The cowards at the CDC have prevented or controlled zero diseases. They with-hold information for years playing the PC game. Take the lawyer who traveled with TB through several countries, was put in a hospital here, then left with-out telling any-one. They couldn't contain, control or prevent one f.cking dude from doing as he listed. Martin wrote... >>>faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As far am I'm aware, most of the criminal cases concerning sexual > transmission of 'HIV' have involved heterosexual sex. And that's because no prosecutor wants to risk his career filing charges in a case of male-to-male transmission. Heterosexual (male-to-female) transmission is prosecutable because the victim is a defenseless womyn and thus a victim, but in male-to-male transmission cases the perpetrator is a homosexual male and thus qualifies for victim status despite his assault on another homosexual male. I've seen only two exceptions to this rule, and both involved male victims under the age of 18. > Martin wrote... > >> Oh you mean that all the infected heterosexuals around the world > >> have it tattooed on there foreheads :-) As far am I'm aware, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > assault on another homosexual male. I've seen only two exceptions to > this rule, and both involved male victims under the age of 18. Or more likely, it is because of any number of other possibilities: 1. Gay men are acting responsibly and notifying their partners of their HIV status. 2. A homophobic prosecutor doesn't care if a gay male is infected. 3. For those with more than one partner who was infected, there is a reasonable doubt as to whom to blame. 4. Everyone was using condoms, which are a highly effective, although not completely risk free, preventive measure that can be taken as evidence of a lack of criminal intent. <feel free to add to the list> > > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Oh you mean that all the infected heterosexuals around the world have it > tattooed on there foreheads :-) No, getting tattoos is a means of transmission of Homosexual Induced Virus. >> > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message >> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > No, getting tattoos is a means of transmission of Homosexual Induced > Virus. Death s out trolling again. >>> > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Death s out trolling again. While you cruise the shadows of the playgrounds. > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That is his point, lol > faggots can not be trusted to disclose their status. No, it wasn't his point, and one of the contributing factor to a drop in the HIV rate in San Francisco is "serosorting" in which people pair up based on their known HIV status. You can't get a reduction in the HIV rate by serosorting if gays cannot by and large be trusted to tell the truth about their status. No One wrote... >>"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > HIV rate by serosorting if gays cannot by and large be trusted to > tell the truth about their status. The "serosorting" you refer to is not intentional, it is the result of a nearly saturated gay population. In other words, it is almost impossible for two randomly selected gay men in San Francisco to be anything else but HIV+, so it creates the illusion that those with HIV are taking precautions to prevent the spread of their filthy disease. Saturation also accounts for the alleged drop in new HIV infections in the SF area. Once every gay man in San Francisco has already caught the virus, there are no gay men left to test positive. Actually, there are always a few fresh farmboys from Iowa who will quickly contract the virus within days of arriving in the big city, and they account for most of the new MSM infections in San Francisco. And if anyone would like to contradict my assertions, you could start by posting accurate statistics regarding the HIV prevalence rate for gay men in San Francisco and elsewhere. I don't know how you'd even prove the trend of "serosorting" unless you could provide some numbers for how many gay men in San Francisco are infected with the virus. What is the actual figure: 10%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 95%, or higher? > No One wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > for how many gay men in San Francisco are infected with the virus. > What is the actual figure: 10%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 95%, or higher? OK first of all in a previous post you made the statement that gays in San Francisco were 75% infected, now you are asking what % are infected, IE you lied previously. It is of course noted I challenged you to prove this statement, which as usual you did not. No 2, you are always saying you are gay, but in the above post you make the statement "of THEIR filthy disease" Another lie. If you were gay, and it was a gay disease it should have been 'Our gay disease" so obviously you are not gay, and we know from the numbers of heterosexuals being the major group around the world infected, that it is not a gay disease. Why not be honest and come out as a bigot, which is what we have always known you to be. >we know from the numbers of heterosexuals being the major group >around the world infected, that it is not a gay disease. It is in the US Pedo-Ball. It most surely is in the US; AIDS in 2005 http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm (The following data are from 50 states and the District of Columbia.) An estimated 19,248 MSM (17,230 MSM and 2,018 MSM who inject drugs) received a diagnosis of AIDS, accounting for 65% of male adults and adolescents and 47% of all people who received a diagnosis of AIDS[1]. An estimated 7,293 MSM (5,929 MSM and 1,364 MSM who inject drugs) with AIDS died, accounting for 60% of all men and 45% of all people with AIDS who died [1]. Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 517,992 MSM (452,111 MSM and 65,881 MSM who inject drugs) had received a diagnosis of AIDS, accounting for 68% of male adults and adolescents who received a diagnosis of AIDS and 54% of all people who received a diagnosis of AIDS [1]. Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 300,669 MSM (260,749 MSM and 39,920 MSM who inject drugs) with AIDS had died, accounting for 68% of male adults and adolescents with AIDS who had died and 57% of all people with AIDS who had died [1]. At the end of 2005, an estimated 217,323 MSM (191,362 MSM and 25,961 MSM who inject drugs) were living with AIDS, representing 67% of male adults and adolescents living with AIDS and 52% of all people living with AIDS [1]. References CDC. HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, 2005. Vol. 17. Rev ed. Atlanta: US Department of Health and Human Services, CDC: 2007:146. Accessed June 28, 2007. >>we know from the numbers of heterosexuals being the major group >>around the world infected, that it is not a gay disease. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Department of Health and Human Services, CDC: 2007:1-46. Accessed June > 28, 2007. In case you did not notice, the US is not the world, actually a very small part of it. With around 40 million around the world infected, and around a million in the US, I think the world speaks much louder than the US. "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message > <leroyblue@pillinor.net> wrote in message > > > > http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm > > > In case you did not notice, the US is not the world, ... My my, you whine for official grubment sites and you cry when they are delivered. >>>we know from the numbers of heterosexuals being the major group >>>around the world infected, that it is not a gay disease. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >With around 40 million around the world infected, and around a million in >the US, I think the world speaks much louder than the US. My reference was to the US. You may reference your 3rd world country if you like. >>>>we know from the numbers of heterosexuals being the major group >>>>around the world infected, that it is not a gay disease. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > My reference was to the US. You may reference your 3rd world country > if you like. You mean Australia, that every years outshines the US as a better place to live. :-) >>>>>we know from the numbers of heterosexuals being the major group >>>>>around the world infected, that it is not a gay disease. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >You mean Australia, that every years outshines the US as a better place to >live. :-) If one prefers to live in a country in which the majority legislates what rights the native inhabitants have, one would love the X-Penal-Colony, Australia. And by the way, you do still have the immigrant Concentration Camps (Stalags) out near the old missile range at Woomera too don't you or have you relocated them? Anyone interested in knowing how Australia treats it immigrants and confines them to Concentration Camps for years will find some eye opening information here http://tiny.pl/5qsk Let's hear what's good about OZ again Pedo-Baal, I think you left some stuff out. Maybe I'll do a nice write-up for APH on your homeland's present day Concentration Camps . >>>>>>we know from the numbers of heterosexuals being the major group >>>>>>around the world infected, that it is not a gay disease. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > stuff out. Maybe I'll do a nice write-up for APH on your homeland's > present day Concentration Camps . It still rates higher than the USA, so what does that say about the US.............. >>>>>>>we know from the numbers of heterosexuals being the major group >>>>>>>around the world infected, that it is not a gay disease. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >It still rates higher than the USA, so what does that say about the >US.............. Nothing, but the world knows that AUSTRALIA HAS CONCENTRATION CAMPS, http://tiny.pl/5qsk -- What do you say about that, Pedo-Baal? >>> If one prefers to live in a country in which the majority legislates >>> what rights the native inhabitants have, one would love the >>> X-Penal-Colony, Australia. And by the way, you do still have the >>> immigrant Concentration Camps (Stalags) out near the old missile range >>> at Woomera too don't you or have you relocated them? >>> Anyone interested in knowing how Australia treats it immigrants and >>> confines them to Concentration Camps for years will find some eye >>> opening information here http://tiny.pl/5qsk Sorry that URL does not work. >>> Let's hear what's good about OZ again Pedo-Baal, I think you left some >>> stuff out. Maybe I'll do a nice write-up for APH on your homeland's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Nothing, but the world knows that AUSTRALIA HAS CONCENTRATION CAMPS, > http://tiny.pl/5qsk -- What do you say about that, Pedo-Baal? Looks like Leroyblue wants to start a name calling slanging match, sorry, but I leave you to be that childish. In answer to your post, I say that the UN has voted on which are the best countries to live, and Australia came out way on top of the USA. ================================================== Incidentally that are no 'concentration camps' at Woomera. The place that held the illegal immigrants at Woomera had far better than the conditions we had when I worked there. They had air conditioned accommodation, when many of the workers up there when I was there lived in tents, or small huts. The better single men accommodation was not air conditioned either. Considering the temperature in that area ranges from 114 down to 32 f I think that the illegal immigrants had it much better than the Australia workers there. Let us not forget that these people illegally entered the country, some from countries that have Terrorist activities there, and quite major health problems, and no country allows just anyone to stroll in and take up residence, they entered without legal permits, so they are held until it is determined if we want them here or not, simple as that. If they are being held in detention, it is because they will not go back to their home country. Australia, as does the US have laws regarding who may enter the country, and if you do so illegally you are either deported, or in Australia's case held pending your legal application to stay, you know of course that most of the detainees will not say where they are from, so deporting them is a little difficult. So if they are not welcome here for one reason or another, they simply are held until it is found where to deport them to after lengthy court battles.. What do they do in the US, throw them in prison? BTW How is Guantanamo Bay detainment torture camp going? =============================================== BTW you keep raving on about the way Aborigines are treated. Let me enlighten you. They have all the rights and privileges of all other Australian citizens, and in same case more. They are entitled to unemployment relief, with no limitations on a time period like all Australians not like the US which restricts how long you can get unemployment relief. They are entitled to free medical treatment and reduced price medication the same as the rest of Australians, not like the US where you have to pay for it. There is no limitations where they can live, work etc, the same as the rest of Australians Now if they want to wander around the bush, in areas like Arnhem Land that is their right, but then they must find a Doctor of Chemist the same as I would if I wanted treatment, I do not have a Doctor following me around when I travel. Currently there seems to be a problem with alcohol with some Aborigines, in area that are controlled by them, in many cases they, themselves have put limitations on booze, either barring it or restricting it. I was working briefly on a gas field 200 miles West of Alice Springs, it is on Aboriginal land and no alcohol was permitted, I also travelled up to the tip of Cape York, where various limitations on the carrying and consumption of alcohol applies, all these areas had the limitations implemented by the local Aboriginal authorities and they were backed up by the State Government, or in the case of Alice Springs the NT Government. There have been accusations of child molesting in some Aboriginal communities, and the Federal Government has recenly intervened prohibiting alcohol in these areas. Where I live, casks of wine are not permitted for sale until 4 PM because of Aboriginal drinking problems, that is for all Australians living here not just the Aboriginals. Aboriginals who live in a place that is traditionally their land, can put in a claim on the land if it is crown land and they can be granted ownership of that land. Ayers Rock (Uluru) is a place that they claimed, and now in owned by the local Aboriginal people and leased to companies for a fee that run tourist facilities there. This has worked for them, but up on the top tip of Australia, Cape York, they were granted land rites for that area, there was a tropical tourist area there, a Wlderness Lodge with nice facilities, owned by an airline, when it reverted to Aboriginal ownership, they refused to lease it back to the airline, and chose to run it themselves, which was there right. It did not last long, the generators caught fire, so they just walked away from it, and now is in ruins. I went through there a couple of years ago, and it had been a great place for Tourists wanting to visit that area, but now it is just ruins, and it would cost millions to get it back running. Who would want to spend that sort of money, if after the original lease ran out the owners would not renew the lease, saying they would run it themselves again............. http://www.pajinka.com.au/section/3.html =========================================== Not far from where I live is a small Aboriginal town called Yarrabah See http://www.indiginet.com.au/yarrabah/ Now they have electricity, telephones town water, sewage,etc More information is available on :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah,_Queensland It is a pleasant place when I have visited the couple of times I have been out there. ------------------------------- Now we know all aboriginal communities are not good, but we are in a democratic society here, and in Australia, no one is guaranteed a home to live in, one needs to work to earn the money for a home, and I cannot put up my hand and say "Give Me a free home", and get one I had to work and buy my house. All Australians are the same under the law, so should we build and maintain homes for all the Aboriginal people? If we do, what about the non Aboriginals, are they not to expect the same. So what are we to do build homes for all that say they are aboriginal and give then to them. (In Australia, an Aboriginal is person who has Aboriginal blood, or lives like and Aboriginal.) Now many Aboriginals live in Government houses, and they get unemployment relief without ever working a day in their lives. If you want to see how bad it can get a walk down Eveleigh Street in Redfern (do not go after dark or alone) will show you just how bad it can get. The Conservative leader of the opposition called for bulldozers to fix the problem. It is a hothouse of crime, and the Police do not want to go down that area. http://www.eniar.org/news/redfernriots5.html Now on saying that, we must not think all Aboriginals are the same as hose in that area, we have good and bad in all groups. =============================== There have been Aboriginal Senators in Federal Parliament (Neville Bonner, Aden Ridgeway) an Aboriginal Governor (Sir Douglas Nicholls) in South Australia. Now no one is saying all has been wonderful for the Aboriginal, but experience has shown that throwing ever increasing amounts of money at the problem does not help. Aboriginals are about 2% of the Australian population, roughly around 400,000 persons, and billions have been spent on them, much unfortunately gobbled up by bureaucrats (Same the world over it seems) and yet the problems of alcohol abuse, poverty and child abuse seem to continue. Where these people do need some help, some of it must come from within the Aboriginal community itself, simply saying we need more money is not the answer. Giving people housing and money, and no purpose does not seem to help. There is a limit to how much any Government can do before it encroaches on the freedom of its people, some of this help must come from within the Aboriginal Community. ----------------------------------------- Aboriginals are a diverse lot, some good, some not so good. Some are workers, others do not work. Some live in cities, others in the bush I know white people who are the same........... ---------------------------- Now before Leroyblue gets on his high horse, maybe he had better look at the US treatment of the Indians in America over the years, and the torture chambers in Guantanamo Bay, before he starts. ========================================== >Now before Leroyblue gets on his high horse, maybe he had better look at the >US treatment of the Indians in America over the years, and the torture >chambers in Guantanamo Bay, before he starts. Your country has Concentration Camps, Prison Ships and you ship immigrants of to Concentration Camps in places like Borneo without giving them a chance to remain in your country. You are without doubt one of the most vile and treacherous societies in modern world. >>Now before Leroyblue gets on his high horse, maybe he had better look at >>the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > giving them a chance to remain in your country. You are without doubt > one of the most vile and treacherous societies in modern world. You are a first class w.nker. No one has been sent to Borneo No one is on prison ships We do not run torture chambers like the US does in Guantanamo bay and other places around the world. We do not use Mexican as slave labour paid minimal wages to work in the fields, as they do in the US. On Jul 22, 4:29?am, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote: > <leroyb...@pillinor.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > We do not use Mexican as slave labour paid minimal wages to work in the > fields, as they do in the US. Your loss raunchiboi. "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message > You mean Australia, that every years outshines the US as a better place to > live. :-) The Australian August 14, 2007 TOO lazy, too busy -- whatever the excuse, 54 per cent of Australian adults don't do enough exercise, and their inactivity is costing the health system $1.5 billion a year. Health fund Medibank Private has studied the proportion of treatment costs for seven medical conditions that can be attributed to inactivity, and found that the highest -- $468.7million -- was due to falls, more than a fifth (21 per cent) of the total health costs of all falls. Second on the list was heart disease, in which $371.5 million of the treatment costs were attributable to lack of exercise, or 18 per cent of the total. Medibank Private said being inactive -- that is, falling short of the recommended 150 minutes of moderate-intensity exercise, spread over at least five sessions a week -- would shorten your life by an average of 2 1/2 years. The finding was in line with World Health Organisation estimates that inactivity killed two million people a year worldwide, and doubled the risk of heart disease, Type 2 diabetes and obesity, while increasing the risk of cancers and depression. The solution is deceptively simple: a daily 15-minute walk -- to get the bus to work or take the kids to school -- coupled with one hour of exercise a week "could quite literally lengthen your life", the study found. Although the research, due to be released today, is not the first to put a figure on how much inactivity is costing the health system, it claims to be the most accurate. And it is the first to produce a net figure, after deducting the costs of exercise -- such as gym fees and the cost of sports-related injuries. Conducted for Medibank Private by economic modelling company Econtech, the research found the cost of sports injuries was about $179 million a year, and total yearly spending on sports and exercise products was about $653 million. Medibank Private managing director George Savvides said he hoped the figures would "shock people into getting off the couch". del.icio.us > "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > del.icio.us ------------------------------------------------------------ Life expectancy according to the CIA factbook. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ USA Total Population 78 years Men 75.15 Women 80.97 Australia Total population 80.62 years Men 77.75 Women 83.63 Nuf said :-) "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message > Life expectancy according to the CIA factbook. Statements by Bugs Bunny and the Easter Bunny would be more accurate than anything said by the CIA. > "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message >> >> Life expectancy according to the CIA factbook. > > Statements by Bugs Bunny and the Easter Bunny would > be more accurate than anything said by the CIA. They both say Oz people are better than you lot :-) > > "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > They both say Oz people are better than you lot :-) I'm thinking of buying truck-loads of bottled water and shipping it to Oz, at a small profit of course. How is the situation by you? >> > "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message >> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm thinking of buying truck-loads of bottled water and shipping > it to Oz, at a small profit of course. How is the situation by you? I do not think that the US can spare the water. >>> > "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I do not think that the US can spare the water. http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/Update16.htm Aug 2002 USDA reports that in parts of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas, the underground water table has dropped by more than 30 meters (100 feet). As a result, farmers in some states in the southern Great Plains have discovered their pumps are pumping air instead of water. Even states like Nebraska and Colorado, where much of the corn is irrigated, are facing poor harvests this year. (For additional examples of falling water tables, see Eco-Economy Update "Water Deficits Growing in Many Countries".) http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/10/13/edbrown.t.php In the southern Great Plains of the United States, depletion of the Ogallala aquifer has already led to irrigation cutbacks. Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Colorado have been losing irrigated land in the last two decades. "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Statements by Bugs Bunny and the Easter Bunny would > > be more accurate than anything said by the CIA. See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign By John Borland 08.14.07 | 2:00 AM CalTech graduate student Virgil Griffith built a search tool that traces IP addresses of those who make Wikipedia changes. Photo: Photo: Jake Appelbaum On November 17th, 2005, an anonymous Wikipedia user deleted 15 paragraphs from an article on e-voting machine-vendor Diebold, excising an entire section critical of the company's machines. While anonymous, such changes typically leave behind digital fingerprints offering hints about the contributor, such as the location of the computer used to make the edits. In this case, the changes came from an IP address reserved for the corporate offices of Diebold itself. And it is far from an isolated case. A new data-mining service launched Monday traces millions of Wikipedia entries to their corporate sources, and for the first time puts comprehensive data behind longstanding suspicions of manipulation, which until now have surfaced only piecemeal in investigations of specific allegations. Wikipedia Scanner -- the brainchild of Cal Tech computation and neural-systems graduate student Virgil Griffith -- offers users a searchable database that ties millions of anonymous Wikipedia edits to organizations where those edits apparently originated, by cross-referencing the edits with data on who owns the associated block of internet IP addresses. Inspired by news last year that Congress members' offices had been editing their own entries, Griffith says he got curious, and wanted to know whether big companies and other organizations were doing things in a similarly self-interested vein. "Everything's better if you do it on a huge scale, and automate it," he says with a grin. This database is possible thanks to a combination of Wikipedia policies and (mostly) publicly available information. The online encyclopedia allows anyone to make edits, but keeps detailed logs of all these changes. Users who are logged in are tracked only by their user name, but anonymous changes leave a public record of their IP address. Share Your Sleuthing! Cornered any companies polishing up their Wikipedia entries? Spotted any government spooks rewriting history? Try Virgil Griffith's Wikipedia Scanner yourself, then submit your finds and vote on other readers' discoveries here. The organization also allows downloads of the complete Wikipedia, including records of all these changes. Griffith thus downloaded the entire encyclopedia, isolating the XML-based records of anonymous changes and IP addresses. He then correlated those IP addresses with public net-address lookup services such as ARIN, as well as private domain-name data provided by IP2Location.com. The result: A database of 34.4 million edits, performed by 2.6 million organizations or individuals ranging from the CIA to Microsoft to Congressional offices, now linked to the edits they or someone at their organization's net address has made. Some of this appears to be transparently self-interested, either adding positive, press release-like material to entries, or deleting whole swaths of critical material. Voting-machine company Diebold provides a good example of the latter, with someone at the company's IP address apparently deleting long paragraphs detailing the security industry's concerns over the integrity of their voting machines, and information about the company's CEO's fund-raising for President Bush. The text, deleted in November 2005, was quickly restored by another Wikipedia contributor, who advised the anonymous editor, "Please stop removing content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism." A Diebold Election Systems spokesman said he'd look into the matter but could not comment by press time. Wal-Mart has a series of relatively small changes in 2005 that that burnish the company's image on its own entry while often leaving criticism in, changing a line that its wages are less than other retail stores to a note that it pays nearly double the minimum wage, for example. Another leaves activist criticism on community impact intact, while citing a "definitive" study showing Wal-Mart raised the total number of jobs in a community. > "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truth_only.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > CalTech graduate student Virgil Griffith built a search tool that > traces IP addresses of those who make Wikipedia changes. <snip> On purely technical topics, the Wikipedia has been shown to be comparable in accuracy to the Encyclopedia Brittanica (neither is perfect). On hot button issues, politics, bios, topics where there is a vested corporate interest in changing the facts, you can expect to see some problems with slimeballs trying to edit entries to suit their agendas. "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > > > Statements by Bugs Bunny and the Easter Bunny would > > > > be more accurate than anything said by the CIA. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > see some problems with slimeballs trying to edit entries to suit their > agendas. Companies and party aides cast censorious eye over Wikipedia Bobbie Johnson, technology correspondent The Guardian Wednesday August 15 2007 Wikipedia entries ranging from Labour Students to a US supplier of voting machines have undergone some massaging Editing your own entry on Wikipedia is usually the province of vain celebrities keen for some good PR. But a new website has uncovered dozens of companies that have been editing the site in order to improve their public image. The Wikipedia Scanner, which trawls the backwaters of the popular online encyclopaedia, has unearthed a catalogue of organisations massaging entries, including the CIA and the Labour party. Workers operating on CIA computers have been spotted editing entries including the biography of former presidents Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon, while unnamed individuals inside the Vatican have worked on entries about Catholic saints - and Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams. Meanwhile, an anonymous surfer from Labour's Millbank headquarters excised a section about Labour Students which referred to "careerist MPs" and criticisms that the party's student movement was no longer seen as radical. And somebody from a computer traced to Democrat HQ edited a page on conservative American radio host Rush Limbaugh, calling him "idiotic", "ridiculous" and labelling his 20 million listeners as "legally retarded". But the biggest culprit that the Scanner claims to have discovered is Diebold, a supplier of voting machines, which it says has made huge alterations to entries about its involvement in the controversial "hanging chad" election in the US in 2000. The company was criticised in the wake of the disputed results, but edits made by its employees on Wikipedia have included the removal of 15 paragraphs detailing the allegations. "In August 2003 Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold, announced that he had been a top fundraiser for George W Bush ..." the deleted text read. "When assailed by critics for the conflict of interest ... he vowed to lower his political profile." The change, made two years ago, was quickly reversed and the culprit warned off for "vandalism". A Diebold official was not available for comment. Read the full content.. It is not the first time people have been found editing their own Wikipedia entries, which is considered a breach of etiquette on the site. Last year some US Congressional staff were found to be removing information they deemed unsavoury from the profiles of the politicians they worked for, and this year computer group Microsoft back-pedalled after it was revealed to have offered money to experts to "correct" entries about it on the site. The Scanner, built by Virgil Griffith, a researcher at the California Institute of Technology, works by comparing 5.3m edits made on the encyclopaedia against the internet addresses of more than 2m companies or individuals. Edited entries Republican party Apparently replaced the term "occupying forces" with "liberating" in an article referring to the Iraq war. Somewhat less controversially, a Republican staffer also rewrote a biography of American revolutionary leader George Rogers Clark. Democrat party Somebody using a computer inside Democrat HQ edited a page on conservative American radio host Rush Limbaugh, calling him "idiotic", "ridiculous" and labelling his 20 million listeners as "legally retarded". Fox News Users traced back to the rightwing TV station have edited a number of pages about its presenters, including excising information about reporter Shepard Smith, who became infamous after saying "bl.wj.b" on air. CIA Alongside numerous revisions about America's national security and geography, a surfer using a CIA address also took the time to add extensive sections on lightsabre combat in the Star Wars movies. Labour party A section on Labour Students was edited to remove a section on the rise of the career politician. "It is sometimes claimed that Labour Students has helped the rise of careerists within the party at the expense of more radical leftwingers," said the deleted text. > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Companies and party aides cast censorious eye over Wikipedia > Bobbie Johnson, technology correspondent The Guardian <snip> ROTFLMAO - as I said, the wikipedia is reasonable for purely technical information, and has some problems when people have a vested interest in lying. Your reply added absolutely nothing. "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > > > > > > > On purely technical topics, the Wikipedia has been shown to be > > > comparable in accuracy to the Encyclopedia Brittanica ... > > ROTFLMAO - as I said, the wikipedia is reasonable... > ...a vested interest in lying. An online tool that claims to reveal the identity of organisations that edit Wikipedia pages has revealed that the CIA was involved in editing entries. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that edit Wikipedia pages has revealed that the CIA was involved in > editing entries. What you selectively quoted (to the point of lying about what I wrote): :: ROTFLMAO - as I said, the wikipedia is reasonable for purely :: technical information, and has some problems when people have :: a vested interest in lying. :: Your reply added absolutely nothing. The only reason to trim a 4-line post is when you have something to hide. > > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What you selectively quoted (to the point of lying about what I wrote): Really, what has changed? The words you used, no. The meaning, no. Perhaps the essence, no. You said what you said, I just didn't go through the whole ball of crap. > :: ROTFLMAO - as I said, the wikipedia is reasonable ... > > The only reason to trim a 4-line post is when you have something to > hide. I hid nothing, other than more of your double-speak which wasn't worth reposting in toto. When was the last time the Encyclopedia (Brittanica) edited by the DNC or the CIA? Absent an answer, on par with Wikipedia- lately and consistently: you haven't a whine to stand on. So the question is, why are you attempting again to make some believe you are creditable? > > > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I hid nothing, other than more of your double-speak > which wasn't worth reposting in toto. Liar - here's the full text (all four lines) an dit is not "double-speak": :: What you selectively quoted (to the point of lying about what I wrote): :::: ROTFLMAO - as I said, the wikipedia is reasonable for purely :::: technical information, and has some problems when people have a :::: vested interest in lying. :::: Your reply added absolutely nothing. :::: The only reason to trim a 4-line post is when you have something :::: to hide. > When was the last time the Encyclopedia (Brittanica) edited by > the DNC or the CIA? > Absent an answer, on par with Wikipedia- lately and consistently: > > you haven't a whine to stand on. So the question is, why are you > attempting again to make some believe you are creditable? ROTFLMAO! You are reduced to making things up to cover up how wrong you are. > > When was the last time the Encyclopedia (Brittanica) edited by > > the DNC or the CIA? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ROTFLMAO! You are reduced to making things up to cover up how > wrong you are. Once again I see you wisely passed on a question. I will give you another shot at it in case you missed it, when was the last time the DNC or the CIA edited articles in the Encyclopedia (Brittanica) ? > > > When was the last time the Encyclopedia (Brittanica) edited by > > > the DNC or the CIA? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > when was the last time the DNC or the CIA > edited articles in the Encyclopedia (Brittanica) ? Irrelevant. The Wikipedia is about as accurate as the Enclyclopedia Brittanica on technical topics. "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > Irrelevant. The Wikipedia is about as accurate as the Enclyclopedia > Brittanica on technical topics. Welcome to the reality of 2007 (Brittanica) August 16, 2007 Wisdom? More like dumbness of the crowds This article appears in The Times today. A new web tool was launched this week. The WikiScanner allows users to track changes made to the phenomenally popular online encyclopaedia, Wikipedia. By comparing those changes with blocks of IP addresses, the editors of Wikipedia entries may be identified according to their location and the organisation from which they post. The removal of unflattering references to particular corporations has been traced back to computers at the relevant companies. Someone at Labour's headquarters altered a section about the Labour Students organisation to remove a reference to career politicians. The development of technology that exposes such shenanigans could be taken as evidence of the self-correcting nature of cyberspace. It ought to be seen instead as a lesson in how easily information can be manipulated in a culture that prizes "user-generated content". Wikipedia relies on the wisdom of crowds. Knowledge is fluid. A definition contained in a reference work can never be regarded as complete and definitive. More reliable information emerges through continual revision. Consequently, anyone can edit an entry in Wikipedia. Many articles are plainly useless, but owing to the democratic nature of the medium the way is always open to incremental improvement. Some may find this a seductive vision of the spread of knowledge. I find it alarming. It combines the free-market dogmatism of the libertarian Right with the anti-intellectualism of the populist Left. There is no necessary reason that Wikipedia's continual revisions enhance knowledge. It is quite as conceivable that an early version of an entry in Wikipedia will be written by someone who knows the subject, and later editors will dissipate whatever value is there. Wikipedia seeks not truth but consensus, and like an interminable political meeting the end result will be dominated by the loudest and most persistent voices. This is an inherent flaw. The problem is not that there are too few voices in the editorial process, who can skew the result, but the opposite. Participation is prized more than competence. When a prominent Wikipedian who claimed to be a tenured professor of divinity was revealed instead to be a young college dropout, the site's founder Jimmy Wales responded that he was unconcerned. The notion that a false claim to knowledge is wrong is not part of Wikipedia's culture. The WikiScanner is thus an important development in bringing down a pernicious influence on our intellectual life. Critics of the web decry the medium as the cult of the amateur. Wikipedia is worse than that; it is the province of the covert lobby. The most constructive course is to stand on the sidelines and jeer at its pretensions. August 16, 2007 > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message > > > > Irrelevant. The Wikipedia is about as accurate as the Enclyclopedia > > Brittanica on technical topics. > > > Welcome to the reality of 2007 (Brittanica) (The Nature article I quoted was published in 2005, so "Death" is now pretending that the world collapsed in only 2 years, after ignoring the distinction between technical topics and bios of politicians). > August 16, 2007 > Wisdom? More like dumbness of the crowds > This article appears in The Times today. (Yawn - as if "Times Today" was somehow equal to Nature). > A new web tool was launched this week. The WikiScanner allows users > to track changes made to the phenomenally popular online > encyclopaedia, Wikipedia. By comparing those changes with blocks of > IP addresses, the editors of Wikipedia entries may be identified > according to their location and the organisation from which they > post. You are repeating yourself, and ignoring the fact that a comparision reported in a highly respected, peer-reviewed journal showed that the Wikipedia is comparable to the Encyclopedia Brittanica on technical topics (math, physics, chemistry, engineering, computer science, etc.) You brought up the CIA repeatedly in your other posts. Why don't you take the tool you are touting and report back as to whether or not the CIA or congressional staffers modified and falsified a Wikipedia page on Banach spaces? Of course, you'll find none. The CIA doesn't care about Banach spaces. Nobody has a vested interest or axe to grind that would cause them to lie about Banach spaces. So any errors regarding Banach spaces are going to be accidental, and the Nature study shows that any such errors occur about as frequently in the Wikipedia as they do in the Encyclopedia Brittanica. "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message |
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