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Study confirms HIV virus originates in wild chimps in Cameroon

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Useful Info - 09 Jun 2007 14:57 GMT
Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
Martin - 09 Jun 2007 15:52 GMT
>misc.health.alternative,misc.health.aids,alt.rasap,alt.gossip.celebrities

What a strange selection of newsgroups to post your message to.  Did
you accidentally miss off alt.flame?

Presumably, this is the article you're referring to:
<http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-05/26/content_4625186.htm>

When you begin to read it the claim behind the headline soon
disappears:

"The study *suggested* people contract the deadly virus from
chimpanzees by killing and eating them."

"A virus called SIVcpz (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus from chimps) was
*believed* to have been the precursor to HIV..."

The scientists could have better spent their time staying at home and
looking for HIV in humans.  25 years later and no one can find it.
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<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/>
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American Patriot - 10 Jun 2007 00:31 GMT
I know Wotsy likes to f.ck monkeys that's probably how he got Aids. LoL

> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
Death - 11 Jun 2007 20:16 GMT
"American Patriot" <preel@thermopolis.org> wrote in message

> I know Wotsy likes to f.ck monkeys that's probably how he got Aids. LoL

http://www.serb.org/serbia/bill-clinton-canadian-tainted-blood-scandal.php

or from the liberal communist leadership that is hell-bent on spreading
AIDS world-wide
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Jun 2007 04:50 GMT
Sounds like some people want to creat a "Mad Chimp Disease"
hypothesis.  We truly live in the age of heaping BS.  Notice that all
the predictions are wrong, all the promises fail to happen?
Unfortunately, too few people do.  I wonder how much the taxpayers of
various nations are contributing to the salaries of those scientists
who claimed that there would soon be a "Mad Cow disease" epidemic back
in the 90s.  We already know that a poverbial king's randsom is being
wasted on "HIV/AIDS."
Soylent Green - 12 Jun 2007 05:45 GMT
> Sounds like some people want to creat a "Mad Chimp Disease"
> hypothesis.  We truly live in the age of heaping BS.  Notice that all
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> in the 90s.  We already know that a poverbial king's randsom is being
> wasted on "HIV/AIDS."

Think about where Mad Cow originated from you uneducated jerk. It didn't
just show up from outer space. It didn't come from Michael Jackson f.cking 
monkeys in the a.s either. It started in the 50's and 60's when some
enterprising agricultural and nutritional PHD's decided pigs and cows were
inefficient processors of what they ate. It came from slaughter houses
grinding up the leftover butchered crap they couldn't sell for human or
animal consumption, or peddle to the rendering companies. They ground up
anuses, reproductive organs, the entire lymphatic systems, stomachs, bones
etc., into pelletized form and mixed it with regular bulk feed for the cows
to eat. Then they started mixing measured amounts of cow sh.t back into the
feed to reduce hay and feed costs. They did the exact same thing with pigs
except it was worse. In addition to the sh.t, they ground up the unsold
feathers, feet, heads and guts of chickens into feed for the hogs. They
didn't know about the almost indestructable nature of misfolded proteins
that we now call prions back then. Oops.

Next time you're boiling a pot of spaghetti from products made in the USA,
take a real good whiff of it. Then go drive by a big hog farm and let your
memory catalog the smell. Compare the two. That American made spaghetti
smells like hog sh.t doesn't it? Buy imported spaghetti next time and see if
it smells as bad.

Consider this too. About 10 to 15% of the ingredients of the food that you
eat kills bugs when they eat it, and is banned in other countries as unfit
or unsafe for human consumption. What's it doing to you? Cancer? Alzheimers?
Excessive and uncontrollable fat?
Agent Smith - 12 Jun 2007 14:36 GMT
"Soylent Green" <urwhatueat@discover.com> wrote in news:466e2506$0$1348
$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com:

> they started mixing measured amounts of cow sh.t back into the
> feed

Got any more lies you're trying to sell?
Soylent Green - 12 Jun 2007 20:28 GMT
> "Soylent Green" <urwhatueat@discover.com> wrote in news:466e2506$0$1348
> $834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com:
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>
> Got any more lies you're trying to sell?

Enjoy that next steak.

(FAO) FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ORGANIZATION OF THE UNITED NATIONS
helping to build a world without hunger

http://www.fao.org/docrep/004/X6518E/X6518E03.htm

Chapter 2 FEEDING ANIMAL WASTES (Contd.)
2.2 FEEDING POULTRY WASTE TO SHEEP

2.3 FEEDING POULTRY WASTE TO PIGS

2.4 FEEDING POULTRY WASTE TO POULTRY

2.5 FEEDING CATTLE WASTE

2.5.1 Feeding cattle manure to cattle
The usual sequence involving refeeding cattle manure to cattle is
indicated below:

Class of cattle Plane of nutrition
? dairy
finishing steers
beef cows
replacement herd ? high
high to medium
medium to low low

This recycling situation results naturally in an inevitable accumulation
of undigestibles (ash and structural carbohydrates) in the manure.
Separating the liquid and solid fractions by mechanical means may offer a
solution, as the liquid fraction would be suitable for high-yielding
animals while the solid fraction could be used for maintenance or bedding
material or eventually discarded.

Cattle manure can be fed either in dry form, chemically treated fresh
manure or ensiled with forages, crop residues and other feed ingredients
or wastes.

The most comprehensive cattle manure processing and refeeding studies have
been carried out by Alabama scientists. Anthony (1969) fed different
levels of silage (wastelage) based on 57% of fresh cattle manure and 47%
of chopped hay. In experiments with washing, autoclaving, cooking and
ensiling, the latter proved to be the most effective and also the most
practical. The results indicated that cattle performed quite
satisfactorily even when fed a very high level of dairy cattle manure.
(6.34 kg DM/head/day). Anthony estimated that one full-fed feedlot steer
produces enough manure to produce wastelage for one growing cow and one
mature breeding cow.

Feedlot manure from beef cattle fed 80% concentrate and 20% roughage was
tested by Braman (1976) as a feed component for heifers. The manure,
scraped from concrete floors, contained 17.1% crude protein, 20.1% crude
fibre and 9.6% ash. In a metabolism trial, the protein value of the manure
(fed dehydrated) was compared to that of cottonseed meal. The protein
value of the feedlot manure was that of maize, but only 60% of that of
cottonseed meal. Nevertheless, relatively high DM digestibility was
achieved: 82% for the maize/cottonseed-meal ration and 77% for the
maize/manure ration. In a feeding trial, a mixture of 60% feedlot manure,
35% peanut hulls and 5% ground maize was ensiled and compared with a
conventional ration comprising hay, maize silage and maize grain. The
results, shown in Table 63, confirmed Anthony's earlier findings that
cattle manure is a medium-quality forage substitute that can produce
economies with a growing cattle herd.

http://ehso.com/ehshome/FoodSafety/chickenmanure.php

What The Heck are They Putting in Beef These Days!?
Chicken Manure!!!

http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/feed12804.cfm

Cattle feed is often a sum of animal parts

http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/blood031504.cfm

Blood & Manure Still Fed to U.S. Cattle for Two More Months
Death - 12 Jun 2007 15:27 GMT
"Soylent Green" <urwhatueat@discover.com> wrote in message

> to eat. Then they started mixing measured amounts of cow sh.t back into the
> feed to reduce hay and feed costs. They did the exact same thing with pigs
> except it was worse. In addition to the sh.t, ...

Fluoride Finally Being
Recognized As A Curse?
By Will Van Sant
Florida Institute of Phosphate Research
6-5-7

Few noticed in November when the American Dental Association alerted its members via e-mail of
a possible problem with giving babies fluoridated water:

The ADA, long among fluoride's biggest advocates, wrote that parents of infants younger than a
year old "should consider using water that has no or low levels of fluoride" when mixing baby
formula.

Public health agencies in some states, like Vermont and New Hampshire, responded by issuing
warnings through the media based on the ADA e-mail.

But it would be four months before Florida's Department of Health would relay the ADA's message
on its Web site along with its own seemingly contradictory footnote: "Mixing formula with
fluoridated water poses no known health risks."

Neither Hillsborough nor Pinellas counties' water utilities - both of which use fluoride
additive - passed along the warning.

So is fluoridated water safe for infants? It depends on whom you ask.

The issue for the ADA and for babies is fluorosis, a condition caused by too much fluoride that
damages the enamel of teeth. In its milder forms, fluorosis causes white specks or streaks to
appear. More severe cases involve dark staining and pitting of tooth enamel, which can increase
the likelihood of decay and infection.

Both sides in the fluoride debate agree severe cases are rarely seen in those whose water is
fluoridated at recommended levels. Mild fluorosis is more common and fluoride backers have
argued for years that such cases are cosmetic and not harmful.

Yet some scientists warn even mild to moderate cases may lead to more significant problems.

Two things led the ADA to issue its e-mail, said Daniel Meyer, the group's senior vice
president of science and professional affairs. One was an October announcement by the Food and
Drug Administration allowing health claims on bottled fluoridated water - except when marketed
to infants.

The other was a report released in March 2006 by the National Research Council, which had been
asked by the Environmental Protection Agency to evaluate the federal safety limits for fluoride
that naturally occurs in drinking water. The safety limit: 4 parts per million.

The report found that the EPA limit is too high and associated with harmful dental effects and
an increased risk of bone fractures. Not addressed in the report was the safety of treated
water supplies - which have much lower concentrations. Pinellas and Hillsborough counties
average around 0.8 parts per million.

The report also concluded that additional research was warranted because of previous work that
had suggested links between fluoride and lowered IQs in children and bone cancer. And it raised
questions about the connection between baby formula reconstituted with fluoridated water and
fluorosis.

In light of the report and the FDA's new rule, the ADA's Meyer said a decision was made to send
the e-mail, but he made clear that his group's overall position supporting fluoridating water
supplies was unchanged.

"The overwhelming evidence, " Meyer said, "is that at the proper levels, fluoride is very
effective and very safe."

That some should treat the ADA e-mail with more gravity than others is not surprising. Adding
fluoride to drinking water to prevent tooth decay has been a public health staple for 60 years.
Yet skeptics have claimed the practice does more harm than good.

The rhetoric can be extreme. Supporters have been slammed as lapdogs for the chemical
fertilizer industry that benefits by selling its waste to water suppliers as a fluoridation
agent. And critics are often derided as deluded fearmongers blind to the support fluoridation
has from the scientific community.

With a 6-1 vote of the Pinellas County Commission in 2004, about 600, 000 residents joined the
estimated 170-million people nationwide whose water is fluoridated.

St. Petersburg, Dunedin, Gulfport and Belleair were already adding fluoride to their water.
Pinellas supplies water to all other county residents. Hillsborough County, Tampa and Temple
Terrace also fluoridate.

After learning of the ADA e-mail last year, Pinellas Utilities Department director Pick Talley
said he contacted the state Health Department and the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention to gauge the seriousness of the threat. No public outreach was warranted, Talley
said he was told, so his department was silent.

"We kind of follow the mainstream medical advice on fluoridation, " Talley said. "There are a
lot more serious issues that mothers need to know about when it comes to their infants."

Similarly, Hillsborough County utility officials stayed mum, doubting the significance of the
ADA e-mail.

That attitude infuriates Tom Nocera, a Clearwater resident who has blasted Pinellas County for
its decision to fluoridate.

"They are trying to protect policies that have been in place for a number of years, " said
Nocera, 58, a federal government employee who works in disaster relief. "They don't want to be
proven wrong."

Kathleen Thiessen, one of the NRC report's 12 authors, is sympathetic to Nocera's view. A
scientist who specializes in assessing toxic risks, Thiessen said studies done overseas have
associated mild to moderate fluorosis with lower IQs, endocrine system problems and skeletal
damage.

Thiessen, who along with two other authors of the report have gained reputations as fluoride
skeptics, said the ADA's e-mail should be of particular concern to poor parents enrolled in the
federal government's Women, Infant and Children Nutrition Program.

For the most part, parents can use WIC checks to buy only powdered or condensed formula, which
must be mixed with water.

Neither the ADA e-mail nor the NRC report has led to a groundswell of skepticism about
fluoridation. But they have been affirmation for former Pinellas County Commissioner Barbara
Sheen Todd, who cast the lone vote against adding fluoride to the water supply.

"The very things that I feared are now the things that are showing up, " Todd said.

Fast Facts:

What goes in your water?

Like much about the fluoride debate, fluorosilic acid can be made to appear better or worse
simply by how it's described. The acid is what's added to water supplies to fight tooth decay.

Critics of the process call the acid an industrial waste product. Supporters prefer industry
byproduct.

Whatever it's called, the major portion of the fluorosilic acid added to the nation's water
supply comes from Florida's phosphate fertilizer industry. Here's how:

Florida's phosphate rock is about 3.5 percent fluorine. To make phosphoric acid for fertilizer,
the rock is mixed with sulfuric acid. The mixture produces a gas called silicon tetrafluoride.
The gas is sent through ductwork and a water scrubber to create fluorosilic acid, a clear
liquid that in high concentrations is toxic. The acid is what fertilizer companies sell as a
fluoride additive. It's diluted to what's considered a safe level when pumped into water
supplies.
 source: Florida Institute of Phosphate Research

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drceephd@insightbb.com - 12 Jun 2007 21:27 GMT
> "Soylent Green" <urwhatu...@discover.com> wrote in message
>
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> supplies.
>   source: Florida Institute of Phosphate Research

How about these reported facts:
    The heavy metals in fertilizer coming from the phosphate mines is
accumulating and poisoning many northern farms.

    The phosphate is contaminated with radioactive strontium 90.
This is included in your fertilizer.  This is why cigarettes used to
set of the detectors at airports...they were radioactive.

DrCee
Death - 12 Jun 2007 23:07 GMT
<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message

> How about these reported facts:
>      The heavy metals in fertilizer coming from the phosphate mines is
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> This is included in your fertilizer.  This is why cigarettes used to
> set of the detectors at airports...they were radioactive.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/
JOHN - 03 Jul 2007 13:03 GMT
> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org

LOL.  And not in monkey kidneys used to make vaccines, yeah, right
 
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