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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / June 2007How long does HIV take to progress to AIDS?
So, people are living with HIV for more than 20 years without developing any symptoms! <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article _id=459888&in_page_id=1774>: "People who contracted HIV from contaminated blood products in the Seventies and Eighties could still be unaware of their condition and may have infected others, an inquiry has been told. [...] The panel in central London today heard from Peter Stevens, chairman of the Eileen Trust, which was set up in 1993 to support people who contracted HIV in the scandal. It now has 27 members, but Mr Stevens warned this could be the tip of the iceberg. He said: 'We have people coming to us who have had HIV for more than 20 years but have never had medical attention.'"  Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > [...] > > He said: 'We have people coming to us who have had HIV for more than > 20 years but have never had medical attention.'" Just in case you miss Carter....... They will be dead by July. >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> He said: 'We have people coming to us who have had HIV for more than >> 20 years but have never had medical attention.'" >Just in case you miss Carter....... > >They will be dead by July. LOL. I've been wondering where he and his cronies have gone. Perhaps their High Priestess has banned the from posting here: I have a nasty feeling I'm going to find out soon. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> >So, people are living with HIV for more than 20 years without >developing any symptoms! And another story about this: <http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=876852007>: "HUNDREDS of haemophiliacs may still be unaware that they contracted HIV or Hepatitis C from infected blood products up to 30 years ago, an independent inquiry heard yesterday. Campaigners warned that the 4,670 haemophiliacs who contracted either infection was 'the tip of the iceberg.'" So, there we have it: thousands of people are still alive and well thirty years after being infected with 'deadly HIV.' These people are doing so well they don't even know they have 'HIV.' And let's not forget that haemophiliacs are suppose to be one of the hardest hit 'HIV' groups because they had 'HIV' infected blood pumped directly into them. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> (see subject) It takes way too long. I wish it would mutate to kill within days of infection, then all the infected fucktards will die and save us trillions of dollars per year. >(see subject) > >It takes way too long. I wish it would mutate to kill within >days of infection, then all the infected fucktards will die >and save us trillions of dollars per year. There's a problem with your logic. In the 'AIDS is not fatal' thread you wrote "a person is dead from the moment they contract the virus." So, do you believe HIV kills immediately but you wish it took a few days to do so? I suppose it must be a bit difficult to see through all that red mist of hatred you live with. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > There's a problem with your logic. In the 'AIDS is not fatal' thread > you wrote "a person is dead from the moment they contract the virus." Perhaps this will help. A person convicted and sentenced to die in the electric chair, is dead, he just takes years to fall down and stop breathing. >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> There's a problem with your logic. In the 'AIDS is not fatal' thread >> you wrote "a person is dead from the moment they contract the virus." >Perhaps this will help. >A person convicted and sentenced to die in the electric chair, is >dead, he just takes years to fall down and stop breathing. If everyone who's going to die is dead already, that means EVERYONE is dead. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > If everyone who's going to die is dead already, that means EVERYONE is > dead. Some just choose not to rot, either in prison or of a disease till that time. Both take away days that could have been spent lying in the sun drinking a cold one and watching the girls go by. >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> If everyone who's going to die is dead already, that means EVERYONE is >> dead. >Some just choose not to rot, either in prison or of a disease till that time. >Both take away days that could have been spent lying in the sun >drinking a cold one and watching the girls go by. You've bought into the HIV=AIDS=Death lie. You only have to read Crack Baby's messages here to realise that being diagnosed HIV+ isn't such a bad thing. Compare his life to that of his brother's. He tells us his brother doesn't work, receives lots of financial support, and goes out every night to enjoy drugs and sex. And what does Crack Baby do? Not a lot it seems, but he does have a close and deep relationship with his hand. The image of those diagnosed HIV+ looking like a heap of bones and sitting around all day waiting to die is far from the truth. What people assume to be signs of 'HIV infection' is caused by something else, often the deadly drugs 'sufferers' are encouraged to take. One of the new HIV wonder drugs is Atripla, see <http://www.atripla.com/>. Let's have a look at some of its side effects: "Common side effects: Patients may have dizziness, headache, trouble sleeping, drowsiness, trouble concentrating, and/or unusual dreams during treatment with ATRIPLA. These side effects may be reduced if you take ATRIPLA at bedtime on an empty stomach." and "Other possible side effects with ATRIPLA include: Changes in body fat. Changes in body fat develop in some patients taking anti-HIV medicine. These changes may include an increased amount of fat in the upper back and neck ("buffalo hump"), in the breasts, and around the trunk. Loss of fat from the legs, arms, and face may also happen. The cause and long-term health effects of these fat changes are not known. Skin discoloration (small spots or freckles) may also happen with ATRIPLA." And that's just some of them. There are others!!! Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > You've bought into the HIV=AIDS=Death lie. No, I have never said that. I said the drugs could be poisonous, dangerous at best. Think back, my rant is about personal behavior, which happens long before the hiv+OIs=aids=premature death comes into the picture. Personal behavior happens long before the meds have to be discussed. As an undertaker, I see the results of personal behavior daily. What caused a 160 lb 30 yo male to melt to 98 lbs isn't my call. I've seen cancers do the same thing. >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> You've bought into the HIV=AIDS=Death lie. >No, I have never said that. >I said the drugs could be poisonous, dangerous at best. I wouldn't argue with that. :) >Think back, my rant is about personal behavior, which happens >long before the hiv+OIs=aids=premature death comes into the picture. >Personal behavior happens long before the meds have to be >discussed. Ah, okay. Fair enough. Yes, I agree that personal behaviour (and the choices we make) can lead to a premature death. But simply being gay doesn't. Being diagnosed HIV+ only leads to a premature death because the 'infected' are given a death sentence, and then poison themselves with nasty drugs. When I go to my HIV clinic I see others there who look like typical 'AIDS cases.' They're thin, and have an almost indescribable look in their eyes: it's as if they're empty shells grasping at the slightest hope of life. This is why the 'alternative medicine' lot are always so keen to exploit such people: they're a sitting target. HIV is just a numbers game. All the so-called HIV meds have two aims: to lower 'viral load' and increase CD4. The meds are not treatments. Being diagnosed HIV+ and going to the clinic is like playing bingo or the lottery. The irony is that the numbers are totally meaningless. >As an undertaker, I see the results of personal behavior daily. >What caused a 160 lb 30 yo male to melt to 98 lbs isn't my call. > >I've seen cancers do the same thing. Yes, there are many things that cause premature death. As I've mentioned before, the number of diagnosed HIV+ people dying here in the UK each year is tiny: less than 500 last year from a population of over 60 million. And not even all those deaths were attributed to HIV and/or AIDS. The figure includes deaths from other things, such as cancer, old age, road traffic accidents, etc. All the estimates of the number of people who have HIV or AIDS are produced by a random number generator, otherwise known as UNAIDS. I must really get on the tits of the 'do-gooders' who post here. You know the ones: those who run or work with/for one of the huge number of HIV/AIDS organisations out there. I appear to be the only person posting here who's been diagnosed HIV+, but I don't fit in with their stereotypical view of HIV and AIDS. No doubt you've noticed how the 'do gooders' keep threatening me with imminent death, as if to force me to fall to the ground and grovel for their help. One of the reasons I post here is to let others know that being diagnosed HIV+ isn't all it's cracked up to be. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > Ah, okay. Fair enough. Yes, I agree that personal behaviour (and the > choices we make) can lead to a premature death. But simply being gay > doesn't. Simply. Simply! Simply? Ok lets look at that. Simply, haemophilia doesn't cause HIV or AIDS. Simply doing IV drugs doesn't cause HIV or AIDS. Simply being a nigger doesn't cause HIV or AIDS. What do those four (4) groups have in common? >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> Ah, okay. Fair enough. Yes, I agree that personal behaviour (and the >> choices we make) can lead to a premature death. But simply being gay >> doesn't. >Simply. Simply! Simply? Ok lets look at that. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >What do those four (4) groups have in common? Can I phone a friend or ask the audience? Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> Moible: +447939991519 > >"Martin" <mar...@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > >> You've bought into the HIV=AIDS=Death lie. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > All the estimates of the number of people who have HIV or AIDS are > produced by a random number generator, otherwise known as UNAIDS. I was diagnosed as poz last november. I've read articles from supporters of hiv/aids establishments and also dissidents. I would very much like to believe the dissidents. I want believe 'cautiously'. I'm feeling healthy, staying away from drugs, preservatives, msg, (so-called capitalists food). coincidently, fellow 'sufferers' that I know who are on haart, also took recrational drugs and/or long-term medication in some point of their life. Well, I have to be cautious as I do not personally know any hiv 'sufferer' who is healthy and no on any medication. If you do know, please introduce him/ her to me. Let me be living proof, though it has only been half-year since my diagnosis. > I must really get on the tits of the 'do-gooders' who post here. You > know the ones: those who run or work with/for one of the huge number [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > <http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> > Moible: +447939991519 Martin wrote... > The image of those diagnosed HIV+ looking like a heap of bones and > sitting around all day waiting to die is far from the truth. What > people assume to be signs of 'HIV infection' is caused by something > else, often the deadly drugs 'sufferers' are encouraged to take. I wish they looked like heaps of bones, the new drugs create a dangerously false appearance of health (dangerous from the perspective of potential sex partners). As for the "deadly" drugs that supposedly create that fashionable zombie look, well the look existed long before any of the drugs were invented. > And that's just some of [the unpleasant side effects. > There are others!!! Then I guess it sucks to be an AIDS patient. Of course people still have the choice of whether to contract the virus, so if the thought of a lifetime of explosive technicolor diarrhea bothers them, then they might be more selective in their choice of sexual partners. If you were in the USA you would be free to refuse treatment, so your complaints about the nasty side- effects mean nothing to me. If you don't like it, either don't catch AIDS or go invent a perfect treatment or cure all by yourself, then give it away for free like the pharmaceutical companies are expected to do. The concensus is 8 to 10 years after infection... unless it doesn't. AID$ science and theory stand out because of their lack of falsifyability, which makes them unscientific. Alex > So, people are living with HIV for more than 20 years without > developing any symptoms! <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article _id=459888&in_page_ id=1774>: > "People who contracted HIV from contaminated blood products in the > Seventies and Eighties could still be unaware of their condition and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > <http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> |
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