>> People with hemophilia and HIV have lower CD4 counts and greater risk
>> of death and OIs.
>> http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/312/7025/207
>>
>Look at Carter and his doublespeak, ......click on My link.
That's the best you can manage?
I can hear the frothing in your mind, little mind. The anger that
wells up in you, impotent as it is wrapped in your cowardice and hate.
George M. Carter
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Comparison of immunodeficiency and AIDS defining conditions in HIV
negative and HIV postive men with haemophilia A. BMJ 1996;312:207-210
(27 January).
Caroline A Sabin, lecturer in epidemiology and medical statistics,a K
John Pasi, consultant in haemophilia and haemostasis,b Andrew N
Phillips, reader in epidemiology and biostatistics,a Patricia Lilley,
nursing coordinator,b Margarita Bofill, senior research officer,c
Christine A Lee, director, haemophilia centre b
a HIV Research Unit, Department of Public Health, Royal Free Hospital
School of Medicine, London NW3 2PF, b Haemophilia Centre and
Haemostasis Unit, Department of Haematology, Royal Free Hospital and
School of Medicine, London NW3 2PF, c Department of Clinical
Immunology, Royal Free Hospital and School of Medicine, London NW3 2PF
Correspondence to: Dr Sabin.
Abstract
Objective: To investigate the hypothesis that high usage of clotting
factor concentrate, rather than HIV infection, is the cause of
immunodeficiency and AIDS in men with haemophilia.
Design: A comparison of AIDS defining conditions and CD4 counts in HIV
positive and HIV negative patients with haemophilia matched for usage
of clotting factor concentrate.
Setting: A comprehensive care haemophilia centre.
Subjects: 17 HIV positive and 17 HIV negative male patients with
haemophilia A (age range 12-60 at beginning of study period) who had
received similar amounts of clotting factor concentrate yearly over
the years 1980-90.
Main outcome measures: Clinical events listed as AIDS defining in the
Centers for Disease Control AIDS definition; CD4 lymphocyte counts;
death.
Results: Of 108 HIV positive male patients with haemophilia A, only 17
could be matched to an HIV negative patient. This was due to the much
higher average usage of factor VIII in the HIV positive group. Between
1980 and 1990, 16 clinical events occurred in nine of the 17 HIV
positive patients. No event occurred in the 17 HIV negative patients.
In each pair the mean CD4 count during follow up was, on average,
0.5x109/l lower in the HIV positive patient.
Conclusion: These data reject the hypothesis that high usage of
clotting factor concentrate, rather than HIV infection, is the cause
of immunodeficiency and AIDS in men with haemophilia.
Martin - 23 May 2007 13:46 GMT
This article doesn't mention death once, so it's unclear why you put
it forward as evidence to support your HIV=AIDS=Death theory.
You appear to be totally fixated by death. Perhaps you need
counseling to help you come to terms with dying and death.
Also, the study was done using a very small number of patients: 34.
And the study doesn't appear to have taken into account life-style or
other factors.
If you read the article you'd have noticed this:
"Objective: To investigate the hypothesis that high usage of clotting
factor concentrate, rather than HIV infection, is the cause of
immunodeficiency and AIDS in men with haemophilia."
The objective of the study was very specific, and wasn't to determine
whether "people with hemophilia and HIV have lower CD4 counts and
greater risk of death and OIs."
Even the conclusion doesn't mention OIs or death.
>>> People with hemophilia and HIV have lower CD4 counts and greater risk
>>> of death and OIs.
>>> http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/312/7025/207
>Comparison of immunodeficiency and AIDS defining conditions in HIV
>negative and HIV postive men with haemophilia A. BMJ 1996;312:207-210
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
>clotting factor concentrate, rather than HIV infection, is the cause
>of immunodeficiency and AIDS in men with haemophilia.

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GMCarter - 23 May 2007 15:23 GMT
>This article doesn't mention death once, so it's unclear why you put
>it forward as evidence to support your HIV=AIDS=Death theory.
If you read the article, you will see it does indeed mention death.
>You appear to be totally fixated by death. Perhaps you need
>counseling to help you come to terms with dying and death.
LOL...does this mean you're immortal?? Gosh! Tell us your secret, do.
>Also, the study was done using a very small number of patients: 34.
>And the study doesn't appear to have taken into account life-style or
>other factors.
That's why they call it "matched" controls.
>If you read the article you'd have noticed this:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>whether "people with hemophilia and HIV have lower CD4 counts and
>greater risk of death and OIs."
That's right. But one of the whack theories of denialists back in the
day was that high doses of clotting factor caused AIDS. What high
clotting factor doses did was simply increase the likelihood of HIV
infection.
And those that were HIV+ who were matched for clotting factor dose to
those who were not HIV+ had a lot more opportunistic infections and
many of them died of AIDS.
It's another horrible moment in history too as the politics of the
cheap bastards who collected blood, notably the Red Cross in many
countries, did not want to spend money in testing the blood. So they
infected a lot people with hemophilia.
>Even the conclusion doesn't mention OIs or death.
Nope. But the article does.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/312/7025/207
Feel free to read it or not.
George M. Carter