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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / May 2007"The AIDS Debate - The Most Controversial Story You've Never Heard"
<http://www.suppressedscience.net/aids-debate.html>: "Ninety-four percent of all AIDS-related deaths in the US occurred after the introduction of AZT, according to CDC statistics through the year 2000. And according to the University of Pittsburgh, the No. 1 cause of death in US AIDS patients today is liver failure, a side-effect of the new protease inhibitors."  SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> ><http://www.suppressedscience.net/aids-debate.html>: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >cause of death in US AIDS patients today is liver failure, a >side-effect of the new protease inhibitors." Doctors Depressed. After decades of advances, death rates among humans still stand at 100%. Darling, if this the kind of specious crap you're using to base your life choices, I am very sorry for you. George M. Carter > Darling, if this the kind of specious crap you're using to base your > life choices, I am very sorry for you. > > George M. Carter usual crapola from the resident death dealing shill >> Darling, if this the kind of specious crap you're using to base your >> life choices, I am very sorry for you. >> >> George M. Carter > >usual crapola from the resident death dealing shill Who would that be? You? Aren't you a paid shill of pharma? I'm sure of it! > >> Darling, if this the kind of specious crap you're using to base your > >> life choices, I am very sorry for you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm sure of it! Important video relating to HIV and AIDS. http://www.aidsfraudvideo.com http://aidsmyth.addr.com/enteraidsmyth.htm http://www.amazon.com/Science-Sold-Out-Really-Cause/dp/1556436424 http://www.amazon.com/Inventing-AIDS-Virus-Peter-Duesberg/dp/0895263998 http://aras.ab.ca/rethinkers.php http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/culshaw1.html http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1430/is_n9_v14/ai_12508167 http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aids/chap6.htm http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/producer.htm another good video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yVcxP0wTOCo# rocketscience >> >> Darling, if this the kind of specious crap you're using to base your >> >> life choices, I am very sorry for you. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Important video relating to HIV and AIDS. Yeah, if you want to believe that nonsense, go ahead. By the way, chicken sh.t, your name is not rocketscience. > On 16 May 2007 04:38:21 -0700, rocketscience > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > By the way, chicken sh.t, your name is not rocketscience. If it's not Stephen Allen it's probably Stephen Davis: http://www.reviewingaids.org/awiki/index.php/Stephen_Davis The "fact or fraud" video is so old it has apparently has Walter Gilbert in it. I emailed Gilbert a while ago to see what his views are these days, this is his reply (I did not claim to be a doctor, by the way): -----Original Message----- From: Walter Gilbert [mailto: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:27 PM To: richard.jefferys@ Subject: Re: question Dear Dr. Jeffreys---I am afraid that those comments go back to the late 80's. At that time I was a skeptic--the argument based on Koch's postulates to try to distinguish between cause and association. However, even during that time we had several AIDS projects going within Biogen--one to try to stimulate T-independent B-cell activation (a pet approach of mine), another to develop soluble CD4--to use as an antiviral agent. That second project got to clinical trials (and failed because the virus in patients didn't have the high affinity for CD4 that the lab-grown virus had.) Today I would regard the success of the many antiviral agents which lower the virus titers (to be expected) and also resolve the failure of the immune system (only expected if the virus is the cause of the failure) as a reasonable proof of the causation argument. yours truly Walter Gilbert snip >> By the way, chicken sh.t, your name is not rocketscience. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >these days, this is his reply (I did not claim to be a doctor, by the >way): Yes--a little inspection shows the list of "denialists" to be a fraud. Thanks for this update. Like the Frod Show....who "rocketscience" resembles. I had a similar experience when I asked Root-Bernstein, who is pretty convinced HIV causes AIDS but still avers a co-factor may be necessary. Or maybe not. George M. Carter > > On 16 May 2007 04:38:21 -0700, rocketscience > > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Walter Gilbert Stephen Allen aka "Truth Please" is now aware that Gilbert has changed his opinions. http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.health.aids/msg/da6a9e1d939040b4?hl=en& "I don't think you can conclude that Gilbert, has indeed, changed his mind. Remember that in the context of the letter you posted he openly admitted that he was now working under research funding to find medical treatments that would boost CD4 counts and lower viral load which may or may not have anything to do with HIV infection. (and he used the parenthesis to illustrate this perspective) I have often asked myself, would I change my mind about HIV as the cause of AIDS if someone offered me a million bucks? hmmmmmm, well maybe....On second thought. Naaaaa! " Denial is an answer all of reality's inconveniences! Stephen Allen is also a rabid 911 conspiracy theorist. Chris Noble > > > On 16 May 2007 04:38:21 -0700, rocketscience > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Chris Noble Not surprising, but Allen has (deliberately?) misread Gilbert's email. Gilbert resigned from Biogen in 1984, so the work on soluble CD4 he refers to in the email was started at a time when he was *publicly supporting Duesberg.* Gilbert's last Biotech venture, the Genome Corporation, failed in 1987. So nobody offered Gilbert a million bucks to do anything and he as no financial interest in AIDS treatment. |
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