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Does ART work?

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HIV Positive - 15 May 2007 22:26 GMT
Does ART work?  Some mixed findings from here in the UK.  Perhaps the
most interesting points are that half of those who died had CD4 counts
over 200 and almost a third had undetectable viral loads.

<http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/8DB0098A-5707-4F4C-84FA-AE9C854865F6.asp>:
"One-in-three deaths that occurred in HIV-positive individuals in the
United Kingdom between 2004 and 2005 were not directly related to HIV,
according to the final results of the British HIV Association (BHIVA)
mortality audit presented at BHIVA's Autumn conference, held last week
in London. The audit also found that cancers related to HIV, as well
as those traditionally not related to HIV, accounted for more deaths
than any other cause. Other major non-"classical" AIDS-defining
specific causes of death included liver disease due to hepatitis B/C
co-infection and/or alcohol, and cardiovascular disease.

[...]

However, since the number of HIV-positive individuals is constantly
increasing, the proportion of deaths is actually falling.
Consequently, only around 1% of all diagnosed HIV-positive individuals
actually died in 2004.

[...]

CD4 and viral loads in the last six months of life were not uniformly
poor. In fact, around half of all people who died had CD4 cell counts
above 200 cells/mm3 and 30% had 'undetectable' viral loads. Consistent
with these data is the finding that one-third of deaths were not
considered to be directly linked to HIV infection.

[...]

Patient factors leading to death included poor adherence (26, or 6.7%
of all deaths); declining treatment (18, or 4.7% of all deaths); and,
in two cases, poor HIV clinic attendance or lack of regular care.

[...]

Conclusion
Along with late diagnosis, causes not directly related to HIV account
for the majority of deaths in adults with HIV. Deaths due to adverse
reactions to HIV therapy and to running out of options with multi-drug
resistant HIV were, according to Professor Sebastian Lucas of St.
Thomas’ Hospital, London, who presented the data with BHIVA’s
President, Professor Margaret Johnson, reassuringly rare."
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GMCarter - 16 May 2007 00:48 GMT
>Does ART work?  Some mixed findings from here in the UK.  Perhaps the
>most interesting points are that half of those who died had CD4 counts
>over 200 and almost a third had undetectable viral loads.

The question is what is the rate of death among those who do not have
access to ARV therapy.

ARV drugs have significant limitations. Toxicity and cost being the
two most important. ARV therapy is not a cure. AIDS has even more
significant limitations.

        George M. Carter
HIV Positive - 16 May 2007 12:21 GMT
>>Does ART work?  Some mixed findings from here in the UK.  Perhaps the
>>most interesting points are that half of those who died had CD4 counts
>>over 200 and almost a third had undetectable viral loads.

>The question is what is the rate of death among those who do not have
>access to ARV therapy.

Rephrasing a difficult question in to the one you prefer to answer is
an old politician's trick.

People who do not have access to ARV therapy tend to be poor and/or
live in poor countries.

Poor people tend to die at a younger age than rich people.  Poor
people tend to die of a different range of things to rich people.
These things have been known for a very long time.

>ARV drugs have significant limitations. Toxicity and cost being the
>two most important. ARV therapy is not a cure. AIDS has even more
>significant limitations.

Isn't ARV therapy a treatment for HIV, rather than a treatment for
AIDS?
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GMCarter - 16 May 2007 16:36 GMT
>>>Does ART work?  Some mixed findings from here in the UK.  Perhaps the
>>>most interesting points are that half of those who died had CD4 counts
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>Rephrasing a difficult question in to the one you prefer to answer is
>an old politician's trick.

Precisely what I am accusing you of doing, dear.

>People who do not have access to ARV therapy tend to be poor and/or
>live in poor countries.

But not necessarily malnourished, though that is often the case.

>Poor people tend to die at a younger age than rich people.  Poor
>people tend to die of a different range of things to rich people.

Yes. Us poor people tend to die faster. And if one has HIV and no
access to treatment, death will be faster.

>These things have been known for a very long time.

Yep.

Malnutrition is not AIDS.

>>ARV drugs have significant limitations. Toxicity and cost being the
>>two most important. ARV therapy is not a cure. AIDS has even more
>>significant limitations.
>
>Isn't ARV therapy a treatment for HIV, rather than a treatment for
>AIDS?

ARV therapy knocks down viral load. This often results in recovery of
CD4 counts and substantially diminishes the chances of AIDS developing
or opportunistic infections occuring. ARV reduces morbidity and
mortality related to AIDS.

ARV has toxicities. ARV is costly. ARV has limitations.

AIDS is worse.

        George M. Carter
rocketscience - 16 May 2007 19:17 GMT
> On Wed, 16 May 2007 12:21:07 +0100, "HIV Positive"
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>                 George M. Carter

Important video relating to HIV and AIDS.

http://www.aidsfraudvideo.com

http://aidsmyth.addr.com/enteraidsmyth.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Sold-Out-Really-Cause/dp/1556436424
http://www.amazon.com/Inventing-AIDS-Virus-Peter-Duesberg/dp/0895263998
http://aras.ab.ca/rethinkers.php
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/culshaw1.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1430/is_n9_v14/ai_12508167
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aids/chap6.htm
http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/producer.htm

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