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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / May 2008AIDS Vaccine
Oh dear. It looks like the distinction between HIV and AIDS is getting even more blurred now. <http://news.monstersandcritics.com/india/news/article_1299375.php/India_US_body_ to_jointly_develop_AIDS_vaccine>: "India Wednesday signed an agreement with the US-based International AIDS Vaccine Initiative (IAVI) to develop an AIDS vaccine. According to the ministry of science and technology, its Department of Biotechnology (DBT) has tied up with IAVI to develop the vaccine." You might think this was a poorly worded report by an over-eager journalist. 'HIV and AIDS: it's all the same, isn't it?!' Some time ago the two distinct terms were merged to become HIV/AIDS. But it's no mistake: there's a whole website about the proposed "AIDS vaccine" at <http://www.iavi.org/>. IAVI = International AIDS Vaccine Initiative.  SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >Oh dear. It looks like the distinction between HIV and AIDS is >getting even more blurred now. Wow. THAT's what you're going to use as a rationale for not getting treatment? >>Oh dear. It looks like the distinction between HIV and AIDS is >>getting even more blurred now. >Wow. THAT's what you're going to use as a rationale for not getting >treatment? Erm, no. I have already explained my reasons for "not getting treatment." Do you have any other comments about the proposed "AIDS vaccine?" Is it something you support? :) SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>>Oh dear. It looks like the distinction between HIV and AIDS is >>>getting even more blurred now. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Erm, no. I have already explained my reasons for "not getting >treatment." Actually, no you haven't. You ran away from discussing what you think caused your CD4 count to plunge below 100, if it isn't HIV. What then? >Do you have any other comments about the proposed "AIDS vaccine?" Is >it something you support? :) So "AIDS Vaccine" is a bit of a misnomer. Big deal. HIV vaccine is more accurate. And an effective preventive or therapeutic HIV vaccine would be simply grand (and potentially thwart the development of AIDS and thus, could be considered an AIDS vaccine, if using the term loosely.) Unfortunately, a great deal of time and life has been wasted on envelope vaccines that do not work. Other more modern approaches so far, like adenoviral vectors and the like, have not stimulated robust enough responses to be effective. So the target and the carriers have been wrong/inadequate so far. I think the best target is p24, which may result in a good therapeutic and possibly effective preventive vaccine. So far, I haven't seen one I'd say was worth trying. George M. Carter >>>>Oh dear. It looks like the distinction between HIV and AIDS is >>>>getting even more blurred now. >>>Wow. THAT's what you're going to use as a rationale for not getting >>>treatment? >>Erm, no. I have already explained my reasons for "not getting >>treatment." >Actually, no you haven't. You ran away from discussing what you think >caused your CD4 count to plunge below 100, if it isn't HIV. What then? I explained there's no such thing as a 'normal' CD4 count, and how depression, stress, and other factors may have had an impact on mine. Don't you remember I had to ask you THREE times what your CD4 count was before you gave an answer. You eventually had to admit you don't know. Perhaps yours is less than 100. I only know what mine is because it's monitored. Does a high CD4 count mean I'm well and a low CD4 count mean I'm poorly? I'm not sure what all this has to do with treatment. It's impossible to treat something that isn't there. Perhaps you should seek medical help about your CD4 fixation. >>Do you have any other comments about the proposed "AIDS vaccine?" Is >>it something you support? :) >So "AIDS Vaccine" is a bit of a misnomer. Big deal. HIV vaccine is >more accurate. Not accurate, just MORE accurate? You're learning. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>>>>Oh dear. It looks like the distinction between HIV and AIDS is >>>>>getting even more blurred now. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I explained there's no such thing as a 'normal' CD4 count, and how >depression, stress, and other factors may have had an impact on mine. LOL...you spun out a fantasy that suits you based on no data or evidence whatsoever to support your claim. >Don't you remember I had to ask you THREE times what your CD4 count >was before you gave an answer. You eventually had to admit you don't >know. Perhaps yours is less than 100. I only know what mine is >because it's monitored. Does a high CD4 count mean I'm well and a low >CD4 count mean I'm poorly? My lympyhocyte, RBC and negative HIV antibody results do not indicate CD4 monitoring nor do they suggest it is low. And others posted data underscoring that below 100 is NOT normal. And a low CD4 count means you are at very high risk for a potentially lethal opportunistic infection. >I'm not sure what all this has to do with treatment. It's impossible >to treat something that isn't there. Perhaps you should seek medical >help about your CD4 fixation. LOL....you are pretty f.cking stupid, you know that? >>>Do you have any other comments about the proposed "AIDS vaccine?" Is >>>it something you support? :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Not accurate, just MORE accurate? You're learning. More precise. Sorry you don't like the data. Even bigger pity you don't seem to rely on any data whatsoever to support your denial of your HIV disease. Unless you're lying about being HIV+, which is quite possible, given your recent commentary, you may not live to see the end of summer. George M. Carter > Unless you're lying about being HIV+, which is quite possible, There's that, and it's also possible he's on anti-retrovirals already (look at the song-and-dance around the OI prophy that he's just let slip he was on despite the misspelling of the medications). > given your recent commentary, you may not live to see the end of > summer. It would be quite handy to have a sock you could kill off, no? "Someone" (again, posting from google groups using a webmail account to *try* to hide the origin) could come in and try to play the guilt game, a la David Pasquarelli, about how the "stress" of posting here did him in. B/ >> Unless you're lying about being HIV+, which is quite possible, >There's that, and it's also possible he's on anti-retrovirals already >(look at the song-and-dance around the OI prophy that he's just let slip >he was on despite the misspelling of the medications). Did I misspell them? Which ones? I don't know why you say I "let slip" I was taking antibiotics. I mentioned in this newsgroups at the beginning of March I'd been prescribed Septrin and was taking it. <fd53v29v6eus4me3738rc6sndvn5s16ino@4ax.com>: "I was prescribed Septrin (Co-trimoxazole), which I've been taking for a few weeks now." I have just checked, and must admit I didn't mention I had taken Dapsone. I thought I had, I did elsewhere, but obviously not here. I did not intend to mislead anyone. Septrin and Dapsone are not ART, they are simply antibiotics. I am not anti-medication for the sake of it. If I have a headache I take Paracetamol; I take Prozac to ease my depression; I take Zopiclone to help me sleep; and I used Ventoline and Qvar 50 inhalers to treat my asthma, but that problem disappeared about six months ago. >> given your recent commentary, you may not live to see the end of >> summer. >It would be quite handy to have a sock you could kill off, no? It's not something I've thought about. However, I'm certain there's at least one person here using more than one alias. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> "HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message > It's not something I've thought about. However, I'm certain there's > at least one person here using more than one alias. I told you if you hung around long enough, you would come to that conclusion on your own. Sense child-hood I've heard the expression, it is the clucking hen that laid the egg. >>I explained there's no such thing as a 'normal' CD4 count, and how >>depression, stress, and other factors may have had an impact on mine. >LOL...you spun out a fantasy that suits you based on no data or >evidence whatsoever to support your claim. I'm still alive. I'm fit and healthy. What more evidence can I give than that? >>Don't you remember I had to ask you THREE times what your CD4 count >>was before you gave an answer. You eventually had to admit you don't >>know. Perhaps yours is less than 100. I only know what mine is >>because it's monitored. Does a high CD4 count mean I'm well and a low >>CD4 count mean I'm poorly? >My lympyhocyte, RBC and negative HIV antibody results do not indicate >CD4 monitoring nor do they suggest it is low. And others posted data >underscoring that below 100 is NOT normal. > >And a low CD4 count means you are at very high risk for a potentially >lethal opportunistic infection. So you keep telling me. >>I'm not sure what all this has to do with treatment. It's impossible >>to treat something that isn't there. Perhaps you should seek medical >>help about your CD4 fixation. >LOL....you are pretty f.cking stupid, you know that? So you keep telling me. >Sorry you don't like the data. Even bigger pity you don't seem to rely >on any data whatsoever to support your denial of your HIV disease. > >Unless you're lying about being HIV+, which is quite possible, given >your recent commentary, you may not live to see the end of summer. Why do you think I'm lying? Interestingly, a few weeks ago you speculated that I only had twelve months to live. Now you've reduced your estimate by at least six months. According to this website <http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/AutumnalEquinox.html> Summer ends on the 22nd September, and Autumn (Fall) begins on the 23rd September. Those dates are confirmed by several other websites. I've made a note of them in my diary. I'll let you know if I'm still alive then. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>>I explained there's no such thing as a 'normal' CD4 count, and how >>>depression, stress, and other factors may have had an impact on mine. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I'm still alive. I'm fit and healthy. What more evidence can I give >than that? Darling, those are almost precisely the words Pasquarelli used to use. >>>You ran away from discussing what you think caused your CD4 count to >>>plunge below 100, if it isn't HIV. What then? >>I explained there's no such thing as a 'normal' CD4 count, and how >>depression, stress, and other factors may have had an impact on mine. >LOL...you spun out a fantasy that suits you based on no data or >evidence whatsoever to support your claim. <http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/antidep ressants-may-help-body-fight-hiv-and-cancer-826254.html>: ----- Begin Quote ----- Antidepressant drugs may help the immune system fight serious illness, research suggests. They enhance the activity of natural killer cells, key elements of the immune system, and could help the body combat infections such as HIV, and even cancer [...] The research emerged from findings that stress and depression impair NK cell function and can accelerate the progress of HIV/Aids. ----- End Quote ----- Admittedly this refers to depression accelerating HIVAIDS, rather than causing CD4 depletion. However, this information does call into question Killer Carter's insinuation that depression has no effect on the immune system. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> 4,869 days and counting... "Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message http://www.fiar.us/ you attack Killer Karter a year later, shame on you. ......and yes, I remember him singing durges............ >"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >......and yes, I remember him singing durges............ Is he dead? Nothing's been posted to his fiarytale website since last year. Bagsie I write his obituary. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> 4,869 days and counting... >>"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is he dead? unknown, I looked on the fiar web page to see if he had posted anything new. > Nothing's been posted to his fiarytale website since last year. I wish Carter well, I trust he is ok. I disagreed with some of the things he said but, that, in and of it-self should not be a death-sentence. > Bagsie I write his obituary. oh sh.t, back to singing durges............... I understood Killer was posting to another group some months back. If you have time look up ole Karter in a google search and see if that is true. [Killer Carter] >I understood Killer was posting to another group some months back. >If you have time look up ole Karter in a google search and see if >that is true. Google Groups doesn't have anything posted by him after 7 September 2007. Previous to that he often posted several hundred Usenet articles a month, but went quiet and then disappeared after making a tit of himself here last May. See: <http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Ig5ZPBAAAADLL0aVS2PpfCJm5ObxLiM1>. Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> 4,870 days and counting... >you attack Killer Karter a year later, shame on you. > >......and yes, I remember him singing durges............ I get bored. There's only you and Mitch here to keep me company. :) Signature<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/> 4,870 days and counting...
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