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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / May 2007Should I start ART? (just a bit of fun)
This is just a bit of fun: you can vote on whether you think I should begin ART at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>. Please note that to prevent someone voting more than once your IP address will be stored for the duration of the voting process. I mention this because some people may be concerned about their privacy, however every time you visit a website or do just about anything else on the Internet your IP address is revealed, so please don't be concerned about voting. I thought it would be interesting to see if anyone votes, and the mood of opinion out there. I know that there are many readers here who do not post messages.  SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 > This is just a bit of fun: you can vote on whether you think I should > begin ART at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>. It's only important if you think you should start ART or not. What anyone else thinks, unless it's someone actively involved in your medical care, is completely unimportant. B/ >> This is just a bit of fun: you can vote on whether you think I should >> begin ART at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>. >It's only important if you think you should start ART or not. > >What anyone else thinks, unless it's someone actively involved in your >medical care, is completely unimportant. I did say it was just a bit of fun. :) Quite a lot of people have visited the page, but the number of voters is disappointing. SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 >>> This is just a bit of fun: you can vote on whether you think I should >>> begin ART at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I did say it was just a bit of fun. :) It's not even vaguely interesting. B/ >>>> This is just a bit of fun: you can vote on whether you think I should >>>> begin ART at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >It's not even vaguely interesting. Well, I never said it was interesting. But I've got you talking about it, so you're showing some interest. SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 >>>>> This is just a bit of fun: you can vote on whether you think I should >>>>> begin ART at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > But I've got you talking about it, so you're showing some interest. Are you like Death/Diablo, etc, that any attention you receive is wished for? Who really cares--or should care--whether or you begin ART or not (assuming you haven't already)? B/ >Are you like Death/Diablo, etc, that any attention you receive is wished >for? I don't think so. I also don't moderate a newsgroup so that I only surround myself with views I want to hear. >Who really cares--or should care--whether or you begin ART or not >(assuming you haven't already)? Not everyone shares your "don't care" attitude. Anyone else "don't care" or is Brian on his own on this one? Maybe I'll set up another vote. SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 "HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message > Not everyone shares your "don't care" attitude. > > Anyone else "don't care" or is Brian on his own on this one? http://www.livingwithouthivdrugs.com/ >>Are you like Death/Diablo, etc, that any attention you receive is wished >>for? > > I don't think Obviously. B/ >>>Are you like Death/Diablo, etc, that any attention you receive is wished >>>for? >>I don't think >Obviously. Quoting in that way to make a point is pretty low. But I suppose you've got used to editing opinion so that it fits your viewpoint. It reminds me of what you wrote in message <131ssui63skrp00@news.supernews.com>: "If you wish to use dishonest means of discussion, then you lose credibility. Being clever isn't the same as being smart." On this occasion you haven't been clever or smart. SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 "HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message > Quoting in that way to make a point is pretty low. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It reminds me of what you wrote in message > <131ssui63skrp00@news.supernews.com>: If you stick around long enough, you'll see plenty of dis-honest statements just as the one you demonstrated. Expect no reply from mailman, well one that makes rhyme or reason of his hypocrisy. >>>>Are you like Death/Diablo, etc, that any attention you receive is wished >>>>for? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Quoting in that way to make a point is pretty low. You don't like people playing the games you do? Then don't play them. > But I suppose you've got used to editing opinion so that it fits your > viewpoint. I don't edit opinions. If you don't like the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+, then don't post there. It's as simple as that. B/ >You don't like people playing the games you do? Then don't play them. I don't play games, and I don't edit quotes to misrepresent what people have written. I'm surprised to learn that the debate surrounding HIV and AIDS is just a game to you. That says a lot about you and your views. >> But I suppose you've got used to editing opinion so that it fits your >> viewpoint. >I don't edit opinions. > >If you don't like the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+, then don't post >there. It's as simple as that. It's interesting that you mention soc.support.aids-hiv+. Despite your advertising of it here, I note there's been no new messages posted to that newsgroup for over a week, however there's been well over 100 messages posted here during that period. Perhaps the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+ need to be reviewed. What are they? SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >Perhaps the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+ need to be reviewed. >What are they? BTW, the link you post at the bottom of your messages in soc.support.aids-hiv+ is broken. It's returning a "not found" error message. Not found: just like HIV itself. See: <http://www.webcom.com/benny/ssah/ssah+.html> SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>Perhaps the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+ need to be reviewed. >>What are they? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not found: just like HIV itself. For someone who doesn't seem to like the group, or its policies, you certainly appear to be concerned with it. B/ >>>Perhaps the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+ need to be reviewed. >>>What are they? >> BTW, the link you post at the bottom of your messages in >> soc.support.aids-hiv+ is broken. It's returning a "not found" error >> message. >> >> Not found: just like HIV itself. >For someone who doesn't seem to like the group, or its policies, you >certainly appear to be concerned with it. What are the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+. The website you quote is still "not found," just like HIV itself. The policies seem to be whatever Brian wants them to be. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>>>Perhaps the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+ need to be reviewed. >>>>What are they? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > is still "not found," just like HIV itself. The policies seem to be > whatever Brian wants them to be. Gosh, you certainly seem to be concerned, some would say obsessed, with what you say is irrelevant and meaningless to you. How's the weather in Gilbert lately? B/ >> What are the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+. The website you quote >> is still "not found," just like HIV itself. The policies seem to be >> whatever Brian wants them to be. >Gosh, you certainly seem to be concerned, some would say obsessed, with >what you say is irrelevant and meaningless to you. How's the weather in >Gilbert lately? So, what are the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+? I don't recall referring to it as "irrelevant" or "meaningless." But you have already told us this HIV stuff is all a bit of a game to you. I'm not obsessed with the newsgroup. You were the one who mentioned it. I note that discussion is a bit sparse over there. Hasn't anyone posted anything there you agree with recently? Isn't soc.support.aids-hiv+ aimed at people, like me, who have been diagnosed HIV+? Oh, and I don't know where Gilbert is. If you want to know what the weather's like I suggest you look here: <http://www.weather.com/>. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> > So, what are the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+? Why should I answer your questions when you're not interested in the answer? You've read the policies, and you've been told the policies. You were told how to adjust your message to make it acceptable. Post submissions if you like. They'll be approved or rejected according to policy. That's my last post on the topic. B/ >> So, what are the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+? >Why should I answer your questions when you're not interested in the >answer? So, you're unwilling to publish the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+. Does anyone have them? Or are they secret? >You've read the policies, and you've been told the policies. >You were told how to adjust your message to make it acceptable. I haven't read the policies, that's why I've asked you (as the moderator of the newsgroup) for a copy of them. And I don't know what message or adjustment you're talking about. <http://www.webcom.com/benny/ssah/ssah+.html> still isn't working. >Post submissions if you like. They'll be approved or rejected according >to policy. LOL. Is this the policy you refuse to discuss or publish? I find it interesting that the "policies" of the newsgroup have now become a "policy." Is that the single policy of only publishing things Brian agrees with? >That's my last post on the topic. That's what happens when you let power go to your head. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>> So, what are the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I haven't read the policies, that's why I've asked you (as the > moderator of the newsgroup) for a copy of them. Yes, you've read the policies. They've been included in the *one* rejection message you received. >>Post submissions if you like. They'll be approved or rejected according >>to policy. >>That's my last post on the topic. > > That's what happens when you let power go to your head. You have this group to play in, you like. Post or don't post, as you see fit. B/ >Yes, you've read the policies. > >They've been included in the *one* rejection message you received. I have not received a rejection message. >You have this group to play in, you like. Post or don't post, as you >see fit. You may consider HIV to be a game, but I don't. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>Yes, you've read the policies. >> >>They've been included in the *one* rejection message you received. > > I have not received a rejection message. sent to hiv.positive@gmail.com >>You have this group to play in, you like. Post or don't post, as you >>see fit. > > You may consider HIV to be a game, but I don't. Apparently you do. B/ >> I have not received a rejection message. >sent to hiv.positive@gmail.com But not received. Has it gone via Russia? >> You may consider HIV to be a game, but I don't. >Apparently you do. What do you base that on? SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>> I have not received a rejection message. > >>sent to hiv.positive@gmail.com > > But not received. Then check with your postmaster. B/ >>I have not received a rejection message. >sent to hiv.positive@gmail.com I've received it now. Apparently GMail classified it as spam. My original message seems to have been rejected because of one URL mentioned in its signature. Traditionally signature space doesn't form part of the message itself and can be used by the author for whatever purpose they choose. Anyway, I've posted the rejection, which includes my original submission here: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/rejection/index.php>. I'll leave it up to others to decide if you made the right call or not. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> "HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message > I'll leave it up to others to decide if you made the right call or > not. My vote is not. I also vote he did not answer your questions. >"HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message >> I'll leave it up to others to decide if you made the right call or >> not. >My vote is not. LOL. Your vote doesn't count. For me, even being diagnosed HIV+ and having AIDS (using the CDC definition) isn't good enough. You'd think I'd be just the sort of person who was welcomed in an HIV/AIDS support forum. No new messages have been posted to soc.support.aids-hiv+ since 15 April. And even those were between Brian and George discussing a new HIV wonder drug. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> > LOL. Your vote doesn't count. For me, even being diagnosed HIV+ and > having AIDS (using the CDC definition) isn't good enough. You'd think > I'd be just the sort of person who was welcomed in an HIV/AIDS support > forum. Yes, you were. Welcomed, that is. And even with the shenanigans you've pulled, I extended the invitation to post. Of course, since you've alienated so many of the other people who've posted, mine might be the only welcome, but <shrug>.... well, you can always create another sock. B/ >> LOL. Your vote doesn't count. For me, even being diagnosed HIV+ and >> having AIDS (using the CDC definition) isn't good enough. You'd think >> I'd be just the sort of person who was welcomed in an HIV/AIDS support >> forum. >Yes, you were. Welcomed, that is. I think I'll pass on that one. Discussion is pretty dead there. >And even with the shenanigans you've pulled, I extended the invitation >to post. What shenanigans? Another accusation? >Of course, since you've alienated so many of the other people who've >posted, mine might be the only welcome, but <shrug>.... well, you can >always create another sock. More accusations? Which of the two regular posters did I alienate? SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>> LOL. Your vote doesn't count. For me, even being diagnosed HIV+ and >>> having AIDS (using the CDC definition) isn't good enough. You'd think [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I think I'll pass on that one. That's your choice, of course. Then also of course, there's nothing more to say. B/ >>>I have not received a rejection message. > >>sent to hiv.positive@gmail.com > > I've received it now. Apparently GMail classified it as spam. Ah. So all that squalling about not receiving it and you had it all the time. > My original message seems to have been rejected because of one URL > mentioned in its signature. Say the *complete* reason. > Traditionally signature space doesn't form part of the message itself > and can be used by the author for whatever purpose they choose. If it's part of the submission, it's part of the message. > Anyway, I've posted the rejection, which includes my original > submission here: > <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/rejection/index.php>. > > I'll leave it up to others to decide if you made the right call or > not. <shrug> It's not up to a vote. B/ >> I've received it now. Apparently GMail classified it as spam. > >Ah. So all that squalling about not receiving it and you had it all the >time. Erm, no. I had not received it. I did not have "it all the time." >> My original message seems to have been rejected because of one URL >> mentioned in its signature. >Say the *complete* reason. That is the complete reason. >> Traditionally signature space doesn't form part of the message itself >> and can be used by the author for whatever purpose they choose. >If it's part of the submission, it's part of the message. As I said, the signature is traditionally a place for the author to put whatever they want. >> Anyway, I've posted the rejection, which includes my original >> submission here: >> <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/rejection/index.php>. >> I'll leave it up to others to decide if you made the right call or >> not. ><shrug> > >It's not up to a vote. I know, and I didn't ask for a vote. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>> I've received it now. Apparently GMail classified it as spam. >> >>Ah. So all that squalling about not receiving it and you had it all the >>time. > > Erm, no. I had not received it. I did not have "it all the time." Then why did you wait to spring the trap until after your message had been rejected? >>> My original message seems to have been rejected because of one URL >>> mentioned in its signature. > >>Say the *complete* reason. > > That is the complete reason. Nope. You posted dissident/denialist material in contravention of the charter and the policies of the group. >>> Traditionally signature space doesn't form part of the message itself >>> and can be used by the author for whatever purpose they choose. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As I said, the signature is traditionally a place for the author to > put whatever they want. As I said, it's part of the submission. B/ >>>> I've received it now. Apparently GMail classified it as spam. >>>Ah. So all that squalling about not receiving it and you had it all the >>>time. >> Erm, no. I had not received it. I did not have "it all the time." >Then why did you wait to spring the trap until after your message had >been rejected? Good grief, you are paranoid. I've no idea what trap you're talking about. I didn't even realise my message had be rejected until you mentioned it here. >>>> My original message seems to have been rejected because of one URL >>>> mentioned in its signature. >>>Say the *complete* reason. >> That is the complete reason. >Nope. >You posted dissident/denialist material in contravention of the charter >and the policies of the group. Did I? Oh well, the message is at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/rejection/index.php>, so I'll leave it to others to decide whether a quote from the Guardian's website is "dissident/denialist material" or not. Oh, and I see you're banging on about the newsgroup's charter now as well as the policies you've been unable to find. Yes, I've seen the charter. It's here: <ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/soc/soc.support.aids-hiv+>. However, I note on the 2nd March in <12ugsq42v6qeu51@news.supernews.com> you wrote: "That would be soc.support.aids-hiv+. While originally intended as a support group, I've broadened the charter to include just about anything poz-related except denialist cant..." See: <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/misc.health.aids/msg/6f5466d0c38384ea>. Hmmm, I must admit that I not sure if a newsgroup moderator can make modifications to a newsgroup's charter on a whim. I note there have been no updates to the published version since 1998. After further reading it appears that bad newsgroup moderators are as difficult to get rid of as bad British court judges. So your position is probably quite safe, despite the lack of enthusiasm there is for soc.support.aids-hiv+. Do you think anyone will post a message there this week? >>>> Traditionally signature space doesn't form part of the message itself >>>> and can be used by the author for whatever purpose they choose. >>>If it's part of the submission, it's part of the message. >> As I said, the signature is traditionally a place for the author to >> put whatever they want. >As I said, it's part of the submission. Oh well, you edit all messages posted to soc.support.aids-hiv+, anyway, so I don't suppose it really matters. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> (snip) Gosh, you seem to know a lot about groups and how they work. One would think you were involved. B/ > Anyway, I've posted the rejection, which includes my original > submission here: > <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/rejection/index.php>. Oh, and yes: It says more about you, than me that you'd find some ultra-clever way around the non-denialist policy; by posting a link to an empty site and then linking to another with denialist bullshit on it. You really are a piece of work. B/ >> Anyway, I've posted the rejection, which includes my original >> submission here: >> <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/rejection/index.php>. >Oh, and yes: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You really are a piece of work. There's nothing "ultra-clever" about it at all. The signature is automatically added to the messages I post. Signature space is traditionally reserved for whatever the poster chooses to put there. And the posting of my message wasn't a purposeful act to get around your censoring policy. And I'd hardly call my few pages "denialist bullshit." It's just contact details, links to a few news items selected by Google that are usually all pro the HIV=AIDS=Death religion, and a few links to some other websites. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> snip >And I'd hardly call my few pages "denialist bullshit." I would. But then, they probably won't be around too much longer as neither will you? I hope I am wrong. I understand Ken Anderlini died recently of AIDS--he wasone of the co-moderators of AIDS Myth Exposed. Is that correct? George M. Carter >snip >>And I'd hardly call my few pages "denialist bullshit." >I would. But then, they probably won't be around too much longer as >neither will you? I hope I am wrong. Well, that doesn't surprise me. Unlike some others, your interest in HIV and AIDS is political. To you it's just another gay cause to support. Time is ticking, George. You've already speculated that I have less than a year to live. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how I am next April. >I understand Ken Anderlini died recently of AIDS--he wasone of the >co-moderators of AIDS Myth Exposed. Is that correct? Yes, apparently he has died. A "strange neurological disease for which nobody could pinpoint the cause," apparently. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>snip >>>And I'd hardly call my few pages "denialist bullshit." [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Unlike some others, your interest in HIV and AIDS is political. To >you it's just another gay cause to support. LOL...that's right. Project your own delusions on me. Delusion is stock in trade for you apparently. No. HIV/AIDS is not just a political issue--though the political dimensions are horrifying and enormous. It's one of the reasons I get so irritated at denialist cant. Aside from being lethally stupid, it makes it impossible to discuss those political ramifications. And you are thus following JUST what some of the originators of denialist cant would like, goose stepping along a right wing path without even realizing it. Let alone the even more important issues of treatment, complementary and alternative therapies, pathogenesis and therapeutic implications, etc. No. Just the same old set of stupid and refuted claims that denialists regurgitate out until they die. >Time is ticking, George. You've already speculated that I have less >than a year to live. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how I >am next April. Yes. I hope you are still here. I hope you are not still a denialist. But if both, that's fine. I don't wish you dead. It's a prediction based on what you claim to be your medical history and current condition. >>I understand Ken Anderlini died recently of AIDS--he wasone of the >>co-moderators of AIDS Myth Exposed. Is that correct? > >Yes, apparently he has died. A "strange neurological disease for >which nobody could pinpoint the cause," apparently. LOL....yeah. Right. Got a nice cheap bridge here for you, too, dear. George M. Carter >LOL...that's right. Project your own delusions on me. Delusion is >stock in trade for you apparently. > >No. HIV/AIDS is not just a political issue--though the political >dimensions are horrifying and enormous. How many gay, HIV and AIDS organisations are you involved with? I don't dispute that, unlike some others here, you totally believe what you preach and your heart seems to be in the right place. >And you are thus following JUST what some of the originators of >denialist cant would like, goose stepping along a right wing path >without even realizing it. What's all the Nazi imagery for? >Let alone the even more important issues of treatment, complementary >and alternative therapies, pathogenesis and therapeutic implications, >etc. Ah, yes. I was reading about President Yahya Jammeh of Gambia earlier: <http://www.upi.com/Health_Business/Analysis/2007/04/24/analysis_experts_warn_on_ gambia_aids_cure/>. >No. Just the same old set of stupid and refuted claims that denialists >regurgitate out until they die. Give all the 'denialist' rubbish a rest, otherwise I'll start comparing your HIV=AIDS=Death belief with religion. The South African Advertising Standards Authority has ruled there's no proof Jesus heals AIDS: <http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2103937,00.html>. >>Time is ticking, George. You've already speculated that I have less >>than a year to live. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how I >>am next April. >Yes. I hope you are still here. I hope you are not still a denialist. >But if both, that's fine. I don't wish you dead. It's a prediction >based on what you claim to be your medical history and current >condition. Thank you for not wishing me dead. Sometimes I get the feeling you're sat there sticking pins into a Voodoo doll of me. It seems like only last week all your responses to my messages warned of my impending death. :) >>>I understand Ken Anderlini died recently of AIDS--he wasone of the >>>co-moderators of AIDS Myth Exposed. Is that correct? >> >>Yes, apparently he has died. A "strange neurological disease for >>which nobody could pinpoint the cause," apparently. >LOL....yeah. Right. Got a nice cheap bridge here for you, too, dear. LOL. We sold it to your lot years ago! :) Well, it's always easy to put these things down to HIV. I was chatting to a woman on the bus yesterday. Last Friday she found out two young women she knew had died due to unrelated events. IIRC one died from cancer and the other died from a blood problem. People die: you often remind me about that. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>LOL...that's right. Project your own delusions on me. Delusion is >>stock in trade for you apparently. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >How many gay, HIV and AIDS organisations are you involved with? I work on HIV/AIDS and chronic hepatitis issues. Perhaps because I am living with hepatitis C, am queer and have lots of friends I like. Perhaps because I feel I can make some difference! LOL....your point? >I don't dispute that, unlike some others here, you totally believe >what you preach and your heart seems to be in the right place. How white of you. Like I need your blessing? >>And you are thus following JUST what some of the originators of >>denialist cant would like, goose stepping along a right wing path >>without even realizing it. > >What's all the Nazi imagery for? Guess. >>Let alone the even more important issues of treatment, complementary >>and alternative therapies, pathogenesis and therapeutic implications, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >earlier: ><http://www.upi.com/Health_Business/Analysis/2007/04/24/analysis_experts_warn_on_ gambia_aids_cure/>. I see. One probable huckster means that no botanical medicine can have any value? And you already indicated that HIV drugs are merely poison. So no treatment works for anything! Yippee!! >>No. Just the same old set of stupid and refuted claims that denialists >>regurgitate out until they die. > >Give all the 'denialist' rubbish a rest, otherwise I'll start >comparing your HIV=AIDS=Death belief with religion. Denialism is MUCH more like religion. It ignores the data, makes up vague, handwaving excuses for why people develop low CD4 counts and AIDS and embraces them based on faith. snip >I was chatting to a woman on the bus yesterday. Last Friday she found >out two young women she knew had died due to unrelated events. IIRC >one died from cancer and the other died from a blood problem. People >die: you often remind me about that. That's right. ALL people die. You, me, everyone. It frustrates me and saddens me that bullshit drives so much of the discussion--and again, all the other possible GENUINE topics of concern are subsumed in the nonsense. Which is PRECISELY what the right wing wants--as their entire goal is to gather more power, wealth and resources while the rest of humanity squabbles over the crumbs--and denialist delusions in this corner of it all. George M. Carter >>How many gay, HIV and AIDS organisations are you involved with? >I work on HIV/AIDS and chronic hepatitis issues. Perhaps because I am >living with hepatitis C, am queer and have lots of friends I like. >Perhaps because I feel I can make some difference! > >LOL....your point? My point is that you put a lot of time and effort in to these issues. You have invested a lot in the hypothesis that HIV=AIDS=Death, and just like the drug companies and those who work in the industry, you have a vested interested in keeping the idea alive. For some it's about money, careers and politics. I don't think it's about money or career for you, but I think you enjoy fighting for causes and HIV=AIDS=Death is one you've chosen. How much spare time would you have in your life if you removed all the HIV=AIDS=Death activities you are involved in? >>I don't dispute that, unlike some others here, you totally believe >>what you preach and your heart seems to be in the right place. >How white of you. Like I need your blessing? LOL. >>>And you are thus following JUST what some of the originators of >>>denialist cant would like, goose stepping along a right wing path >>>without even realizing it. >>What's all the Nazi imagery for? >Guess. The word Nazi comes with a lot of historical and psychological baggage. I'd "guess" you and others try to associate those who don't believe HIV=AIDS=Death with Nazis as an easy way to load all that baggage on to them. So, you're effectively saying that anyone who doesn't agree with your position that HIV=AIDS=Death is a Nazi. Dr Mark Wainberg (Director, McGill University AIDS Centre) makes some similar remarks about 1 hour, 3 minutes into this video: <http://documentaries.ws/1/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.405> And even suggests the US constitution should be amended to prevent people from even saying HIV<>AIDS<>Death. >>>Let alone the even more important issues of treatment, complementary >>>and alternative therapies, pathogenesis and therapeutic implications, >>>etc. >>Ah, yes. I was reading about President Yahya Jammeh of Gambia >>earlier: >><http://www.upi.com/Health_Business/Analysis/2007/04/24/analysis_experts_warn_on_ gambia_aids_cure/>. >I see. One probable huckster means that no botanical medicine can have >any value? And you already indicated that HIV drugs are merely poison. >So no treatment works for anything! Yippee!! I didn't say that. >It frustrates me and saddens me that bullshit drives so much of the >discussion--and again, all the other possible GENUINE topics of >concern are subsumed in the nonsense. Perhaps you should start discussing some of these topics. >Which is PRECISELY what the right wing wants--as their entire goal is >to gather more power, wealth and resources while the rest of humanity >squabbles over the crumbs--and denialist delusions in this corner of >it all. Ah, you've started one of your political rants now. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>>How many gay, HIV and AIDS organisations are you involved with? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >My point is that you put a lot of time and effort in to these issues. Yep. So do you apparently. >You have invested a lot in the hypothesis that HIV=AIDS=Death, That's a lie. I have NEVER said that. To the contrary, I have worked on the hypothesis that people can LIVE with HIV disease, avoid AIDS where possible and delay death out to a normal life span. >and >just like the drug companies and those who work in the industry, you >have a vested interested in keeping the idea alive. Another dead cold f.cking lie. PHarma has a horrifically vested interest in profiteering on people, no matter what harm they may cause. >For some it's about money, careers and politics. I don't think it's >about money or career for you, but I think you enjoy fighting for >causes and HIV=AIDS=Death is one you've chosen. To conflate the evil of pharma's greed with the desire to make a difference is just despicable. >How much spare time would you have in your life if you removed all the >HIV=AIDS=Death activities you are involved in? Plenty. I have a balanced life, though you'd like to paint me as somehow suffering an obsession or some such. In a vain attempt to deflect from facing your own situation, part of the denial you suffer. >>>I don't dispute that, unlike some others here, you totally believe >>>what you preach and your heart seems to be in the right place. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >The word Nazi comes with a lot of historical and psychological >baggage. Yes. It sure as hell does. >I'd "guess" you and others try to associate those who don't believe >HIV=AIDS=Death with Nazis as an easy way to load all that baggage on >to them. No. I associate it with people like David Rasnick, Duesberg's fascist side kick. >So, you're effectively saying that anyone who doesn't agree with your >position that HIV=AIDS=Death is a Nazi. Nope. Wrong yet again. >Dr Mark Wainberg (Director, McGill University AIDS >Centre) makes some similar remarks about 1 hour, 3 minutes into this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >And even suggests the US constitution should be amended to prevent >people from even saying HIV<>AIDS<>Death. Perhaps he does. I'm not Mark Wainberg, though I've met him. I don't trust your interpretation so maybe I'll check the link, maybe I won't. >>>>Let alone the even more important issues of treatment, complementary >>>>and alternative therapies, pathogenesis and therapeutic implications, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I didn't say that. No, you didn't. You seem to have implied it. If that's not what you mean, by all means, feel free to explain. >>It frustrates me and saddens me that bullshit drives so much of the >>discussion--and again, all the other possible GENUINE topics of >>concern are subsumed in the nonsense. > >Perhaps you should start discussing some of these topics. Oh, I have been. For years. And I do. Sadly, they go pretty much nowhere with denialists. >>Which is PRECISELY what the right wing wants--as their entire goal is >>to gather more power, wealth and resources while the rest of humanity >>squabbles over the crumbs--and denialist delusions in this corner of >>it all. > >Ah, you've started one of your political rants now. Yep. So? Got a problem with it? Or are you just sniffing like some bloody prat with nothing better to say or do? Did you like that nightmare, Thatcher? George M. Carter > snip >>And I'd hardly call my few pages "denialist bullshit." > > I would. But then, they probably won't be around too much longer as > neither will you? I hope I am wrong. I'm sad when anybody dies, for whatever reason. But you are probably right--doesn't a person, when left untreated, lose 50-75 tcells per year? OTOH, I've known folks who've wandered around for over a year with 0-5.... Of course, that would be untreated. One can wonder if that's true in this instance. Notice how he won't answer the question about OI prophy? B/ >> snip >>>And I'd hardly call my few pages "denialist bullshit." [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Of course, that would be untreated. One can wonder if that's true in >this instance. Notice how he won't answer the question about OI prophy? Yes. I've also known people in that situation (0-5 CD4 count) back in the early 90s. Some did last longer than a year but not many. He could last longer. Regardless, it won't have any effect on the fact that his CD4 count has dropped below 100 because of his HIV infection, of course. George M. Carter >>> Anyway, I've posted the rejection, which includes my original >>> submission here: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > There's nothing "ultra-clever" about it at all. It was quite clever. I saw it coming immediately, and realized the trap you'd set. If I rejected the message to begin with, you could claim I was picking on how you'd posted here, and as what you've said you've done on your sites, claim you'd posted ontopic. If I let it through, you could add the material later and be quite gleeful about having sneaked it in. I chose the latter course, hoping the very long hope you had a sense of honor and entertaining the possibility you might actually be looking for support eventually. As I said, it says more about you than me that you played me like that. > The signature is automatically added to the messages I post. Signature > space is traditionally reserved for whatever the poster chooses to put > there. You keep saying that out of context, of course. And the posting of my message wasn't a purposeful act to get > around your censoring policy. I believe it was, and it's not censoring. Posting to a moderated newsgroup is like writing a letter to the editor. You're not censored when it's not published. You were pointed here as an alternative place to post. B/ >If I rejected the message to begin with, you could claim I was picking >on how you'd posted here, and as what you've said you've done on your >sites, claim you'd posted ontopic. > >If I let it through, you could add the material later and be quite >gleeful about having sneaked it in. "Add the material later?" Hmmm, I'm beginning to understand now. My message wasn't rejected for the reasons you claimed. It was rejected because you were concerned that I would later edit the web page listed in the signature so that it contained something you didn't agree with. I'm not sure whether that's foresightedness or paranoia. Whichever it is, it certainly calls your honesty into question. >I chose the latter course, hoping the very long hope you had a sense of >honor and entertaining the possibility you might actually be looking for >support eventually. You speak of honour? So let me see if I understand you correctly: you initially claimed that my message was rejected because I "...attempted to post an article concerning a denialist/dissident POV." Now that I have published the message elsewhere for all to see you're backtracking and claiming it was rejected because I may have edited a web page listed in the message so that it contained something you didn't agree with. Yep, you're paranoid! But it's apparently acceptable for you to edit all messages posted to soc.support.aids-hiv+ so they contain a link to a non-existent web page? I wonder what you're planning to put on it. >As I said, it says more about you than me that you played me like that. You've already told us HIV/AIDS is a game to you. It is not a game to me. >> The signature is automatically added to the messages I post. Signature >> space is traditionally reserved for whatever the poster chooses to put >> there. >You keep saying that out of context, of course. How would Brian put it into context? >> And the posting of my message wasn't a purposeful act to get >> around your censoring policy. >I believe it was, and it's not censoring. Posting to a moderated >newsgroup is like writing a letter to the editor. You're not censored >when it's not published. It's interesting that you see yourself as an editor, choosing whether or not to publish correspondence. I do not agree with that definition of a moderator. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> (snip) An hour ago, you closed the subject. Why are you still going on about it? B/ >(snip) > >An hour ago, you closed the subject. Why are you still going on about it? Did I? I don't recall doing that. However, I note that you've refused to answer any of my questions or address any of the points I've made. Perhaps you mean you *wish* I'd closed the subject. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> > HIVPositive wrote: > > Anyway, I've posted the rejection, which includes my original [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > B/ Brian Mailman is a shill for the drug companies peddling their toxic drugs on the internet. How much do they pay you Brian? snip >Brian Mailman is a shill for the drug companies peddling their toxic >drugs on the internet. How much do they pay you Brian? LOL...here comes Frodlet!! The real question Frodlet: How much does pharma pay YOU!!! Another good book: read Rost's The Whistleblower. If you didn't already hate Pfizer (among others), this just gives more grist for the mill that underscores how despicable pharma is. That doesn't mean drugs don't work tho--just that pharma's sole interest is profit, regardless of how many they harm or kill in the process, whether due to overdosing, misleading off-label promotion or denial of access to the poor globally. But no--can't have that discussion. Just more invective, screaming and delusional denialist bullshit. Go on, Frodlet! Squeal and screech and rail! It is entertaining at least. George M. Carter >Yes, you've read the policies. > >They've been included in the *one* rejection message you received. I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, so I've checked through my incoming email again. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find the message you refer to. However, I did notice one that contains: "This is an automatic acknowledgment that your message has been APPROVED for posting to moderated newsgroup soc.support.aids-hiv+. Look for the charter of soc.support.aids-hiv+ at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/index.html" Unfortunately that URL leads to a page about the soc.culture.russian.moderated newsgroup. There are lots of broken links on that page, too. Including one titled "how to create your own trolls and be totally anonymous," which I think is quite telling. What game are you playing? SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>Yes, you've read the policies. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "This is an automatic acknowledgment that your message has been > APPROVED for posting to moderated newsgroup soc.support.aids-hiv+. Then you've received the rejection notice as well. Thanks for affirming publically you've posted and had your messages approved. B/ >> However, I did notice one that contains: >> >> "This is an automatic acknowledgment that your message has been >> APPROVED for posting to moderated newsgroup soc.support.aids-hiv+. >Then you've received the rejection notice as well. I haven't. >Thanks for affirming publically you've posted and had your messages >approved. That's okay. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> > HIVPositive wrote: > > So, what are the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > B/ http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/297/8/805 Presenting Plasma HIV RNA Level and Rate of CD4 T-Cell Decline To the Editor: The study by Dr Rodriguez and colleagues concludes that presenting human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) plasma RNA viral load only minimally predicts the rate of CD4 cell decline in individuals with HIV infection and hypothesizes that a significant (>90%) amount of HIV disease progression and pathogenesis is due to factors other than HIV viral load. The results are portrayed as casting doubt on the utility of an early HIV viral load measurement to predict disease outcome in individuals. CONCLUSIONS: Presenting HIV RNA level predicts the rate of CD4 cell decline only minimally in untreated persons. Other factors, as yet undefined, likely drive CD4 cell losses in HIV infection. Important video relating to HIV and AIDS. http://www.aidsfraudvideo.com We are a global-reach voluntary group. Our goal is ensuring the interests of AIDS-diagnosed people are no longer secondary to the interests of drug suppliers, service providers and the AIDS research industry. http://aidsmyth.addr.com/enteraidsmyth.htm Did You Know that many experts now contend AIDS is not a fatal, incurable condition caused by HIV? We bring you the voices of alternative scientists and reforming campaigners worldwide. We are independent of vested pharmaceutical and medical interests -offering readers and forum members, global news and leading edge views on diagnosis and treatment. Most of the information you receive is commercially driven and based on misleading assumptions or unfounded estimates and predictions. The symptoms associated with AIDS are treatable using non-toxic, immune enhancing therapies that have restored health and have enabled those truly at risk to remain well. rocketscience >>You don't like people playing the games you do? Then don't play them. > > I don't play games, and I don't edit quotes to misrepresent what > people have written. Sorry, I forget which one of your socks does what. B/ >>>You don't like people playing the games you do? Then don't play them. >>I don't play games, and I don't edit quotes to misrepresent what >>people have written. >Sorry, I forget which one of your socks does what. What does that mean? Are you unable to produce any evidence to back up your claim that I play games, so you're attempting to attribute what others write to me? By the way, Brian: have you been diagnosed HIV+? SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>>>You don't like people playing the games you do? Then don't play them. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What does that mean? It means "I forget which one of your socks does what." C'mon, now, Nigel, you speak English. B/ >>>Sorry, I forget which one of your socks does what. >> What does that mean? >It means "I forget which one of your socks does what." C'mon, now, >Nigel, you speak English. I have no idea who Nigel is or what you're talking about. I noticed you dodged my question: have you been diagnosed HIV+? SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> "HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message > I have no idea who Nigel is or what you're talking about. > > I noticed you dodged my question: have you been diagnosed HIV+? That is what mailman does best, accuse anyone who disagrees or questions the bullshit he sprouts, of being a sock of someone else. His simple mind can't comprehend that there are 2 or more like-minded people who have opinions that differ from his. To solve that little problem, it has to be just me posting under 37 different names. As you can see, he has quite a complex on top of being paranoid. >"HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message >> I have no idea who Nigel is or what you're talking about. >That is what mailman does best, accuse anyone who disagrees >or questions the bullshit he sprouts, of being a sock of someone else. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >To solve that little problem, it has to be just me posting >under 37 different names. LOL. That's quite some split personality you've got there, Death. :) Some people here have argued that I'm closer to Death than I realise, but not THAT close! For the record: I disagree with many things Death has posted. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> "HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message > For the record: I disagree with many things Death has posted. I welcome that in a free and open forum. I have no desire to limit how or what you think. >>>>Sorry, I forget which one of your socks does what. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I have no idea who Nigel is or what you're talking about. Right. We'll keep up that pretense. B/ >>>It means "I forget which one of your socks does what." C'mon, now, >>>Nigel, you speak English. >> I have no idea who Nigel is or what you're talking about. >Right. > >We'll keep up that pretense. I think you're confusing me with someone else. I am not Nigel. I don't even know who Nigel is. I note you've dodged my question about your HIV status again. I asked about it because I wanted to know if you were another misguided do-gooder or someone who is directly affected by HIV. Your comments about HIV games and pretense now make me wonder if you have different motives. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>>>It means "I forget which one of your socks does what." C'mon, now, >>>>Nigel, you speak English. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I note you've dodged my question about your HIV status again. Why should anyone answer your questions? B/ >> I note you've dodged my question about your HIV status again. >Why should anyone answer your questions? No one has to. I was just wondering what interest you have in HIV and AIDS. I think I now understand where you're coming from. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> >>> I note you've dodged my question about your HIV status again. >>Why should anyone answer your questions? > > No one has to. I was just wondering what interest you have in HIV and > AIDS. What is yours? > I think I now understand where you're coming from. No, you don't. But do keep on the Rovian tactics of implying, insinuating, and applying baseless speculation. B/ >>>Why should anyone answer your questions? >> No one has to. I was just wondering what interest you have in HIV and >> AIDS. >What is yours? I have mentioned it here several times before. Perhaps you weren't paying attention: I have been diagnosed HIV+. And if I lived in the US, which fortunately I don't, I would also be considered to have AIDS. >>I think I now understand where you're coming from. >No, you don't. But do keep on the Rovian tactics of implying, >insinuating, and applying baseless speculation. I have done none of those things. However that does seem to describe what you do. Who's this Nigel person you've mentioned? What are the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+? What interest do you have in HIV and AIDS? These are all questions you've dodged and failed to answer. I have answered your questions. You've come here making unfounded accusations about me, asked me questions which I've answered, but refused to answer any that are asked of you. Maybe I have speculated in private about your motives, but that speculation is not baseless. SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> > You've come here making unfounded accusations about me, No, I haven't. > asked me > questions which I've answered, No, you haven't. > but refused to answer any that are > asked of you. Rinse, later, repeat. Why should anyone respond to someone who twists everything out of context? > Maybe I have speculated in private about your motives, > but that speculation is not baseless. It most certianly is. B/ >> You've come here making unfounded accusations about me, >No, I haven't. In <132j0aca46h4g58@news.supernews.com>: 'Sorry, I forget which one of your socks does what.' In <132kgpq62lpind3@news.supernews.com>: 'It means "I forget which one of your socks does what." C'mon, now, Nigel, you speak English.' In <132musjcaon50aa@news.supernews.com>: 'We'll keep up that pretense.' In <132povqeae0vg6b@news.supernews.com>: 'But do keep on the Rovian tactics of implying, insinuating, and applying baseless speculation.' In <132kh1dbufvrra1@news.supernews.com>: 'Gosh, you certainly seem to be concerned, some would say obsessed, with what you say is irrelevant and meaningless to you. How's the weather in Gilbert lately?' In <132hsf2jfhr4dc1@news.supernews.com>: 'You don't like people playing the games you do? Then don't play them.' Those are just a few quotes from messages you've posted in this thread. You've accused me of being a 'sock' and 'Nigel,' being involved in some sort of 'pretence' with you, 'insinuating,' in 'Gilbert,' and 'playing...games.' >> asked me >> questions which I've answered, >No, you haven't. Perhaps that's an oversight on my part. Which questions have you asked me that I have not answered? >> but refused to answer any that are >> asked of you. >Rinse, later, repeat. Why should anyone respond to someone who twists >everything out of context? Oh, look. Something else you've accused me of doing. >> Maybe I have speculated in private about your motives, >> but that speculation is not baseless. >It most certianly is. What speculation have I made about you that's baseless? SignatureShould I begin ART? Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > If you don't like the policies of soc.support.aids-hiv+, then don't post > there. It's as simple as that. LOL, poor demented shit4brains. Lay off those aids cock-tails, they are causing you to lose touch with reality, again. >>>>>> This is just a bit of fun: you can vote on whether you think I should >>>>>> begin ART at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Are you like Death/Diablo, etc, that any attention you receive is wished >for? this is what vampires do try argueing with one anything you give him is food any kind of interaction, especially if passionate >Who really cares--or should care--whether or you begin ART or not >(assuming you haven't already)? > >B/ How does one vote on that link?? >How does one vote on that link?? Hiya Peter. Go here: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/> Change the drop-down box titled 'Choices' to the answer of your choice: yes, no or undecided. Then click the Vote button. :) SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 > On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:14:34 -0400, "petenewman" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > URL:http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ > Moible: +447939991519 I vote no. You could probably guess that. >This is just a bit of fun: you can vote on whether you think I should >begin ART at <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >of opinion out there. I know that there are many readers here who do >not post messages. death by doctoring http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/doctoring1.html |
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