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HIV Positive - 16 Apr 2007 17:47 GMT
One problem I have with the HIV=AIDS=Death idea is the statistics.

I was reading this article earlier today:
<http://www.dailyindia.com/show/133866.php/Richard-Gere-to-truckers:-Keep-off-HIV/AIDS>:
"The rising prevalence of HIV in the country [India] showed that a
decade of government efforts had not slowed the virus, which is now
estimated to have infected 5.7 million Indians.

According to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, ten percent of the world's
HIV-positive population is in India.

According to estimates by the U.N. Population Division, if trends
continue, nearly 49.5 million Indians will die of the disease between
2015 and 2050."

The figure of 49.5 million deaths within 35 years is pretty
staggering, so I thought I'd do a bit of checking.

According to this web page: <http://www.avert.org/indiaaids.htm> the
cumulative number of AIDS cases in India up until August 2006 was
124,995.  I thought that was probably for the year 2006 alone, however
this web page: <http://www.nacoonline.org/facts_reportaug.htm>
suggests 124,995 is the total number of AIDS cases there's been in
India between 1986 to 31 August 2006.  With only 126 of those being
reported in August 2006 itself.  The Avert website refers to these as
deaths, but NACO refers to them as AIDS cases.  Not everyone with AIDS
is dead, are they?

I appreciate that diagnosis and recording of statistics in India
probably isn't up to North American and European standards.  But even
so, there's a stark contrast between 124,995 diagnosed cases in the 20
years from 1986 to 2006 and a prediction of nearly 50 million cases
within 35 years.

Are these predictions really about getting financial assistance, or am
I misinterpreting the figures?
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GMCarter - 17 Apr 2007 00:19 GMT
>One problem I have with the HIV=AIDS=Death idea is the statistics.
>
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>decade of government efforts had not slowed the virus, which is now
>estimated to have infected 5.7 million Indians.

5.7 million HIV+ is a very rough guestimate. I've been to India--it's
insane there in terms of bureaucracy and inefficiency.

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>Are these predictions really about getting financial assistance, or am
>I misinterpreting the figures?

You're misinterpreting them by conflating numbers of HIV+ with numbers
of AIDS cases. Most people in India rely on government hospitals if
they get any care at all--and they suck. There is horrific stigma and
discrimination, often by doctors and nurses. Many people see
traditional healers, if anyone. Many die without ever getting a
diagnosis.

So the numbers of HIV+ guestimates are rough at best. A genuinely
interested person might hope that they are inflated. Practically, it
may well be that the count is too low. Some recent data tend to
support the former interpretation happily.

And, as usual, you're playing the "big circle" game. Raise a question,
get a lot of replies and evidence, ignore it and trot off to the next
bullshit canard as if there is some basis for your denialist nonsense.

It's brain dead circle jerk that will kill you with your own bullshit.

        George M. Carter
HIV Positive - 17 Apr 2007 12:58 GMT
>>One problem I have with the HIV=AIDS=Death idea is the statistics.

>>Are these predictions really about getting financial assistance, or am
>>I misinterpreting the figures?

>You're misinterpreting them by conflating numbers of HIV+ with numbers
>of AIDS cases.

That's an odd conclusion to come to.  The figures I compared were for
AIDS cases.
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GMCarter - 17 Apr 2007 13:33 GMT
>>>One problem I have with the HIV=AIDS=Death idea is the statistics.
>
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>That's an odd conclusion to come to.  The figures I compared were for
>AIDS cases.

No, they weren't. Wow, you're not only deluded, you're disingenuous.
HIV Positive - 17 Apr 2007 13:51 GMT
>>>>One problem I have with the HIV=AIDS=Death idea is the statistics.

>>>>Are these predictions really about getting financial assistance, or am
>>>>I misinterpreting the figures?

>>>You're misinterpreting them by conflating numbers of HIV+ with numbers
>>>of AIDS cases.

>>That's an odd conclusion to come to.  The figures I compared were for
>>AIDS cases.

>No, they weren't. Wow, you're not only deluded, you're disingenuous.

The figures I compared were:

124,995, the total number of AIDS cases in India between 1986 to 31
August 2006;

and

49.5 million, the estimated number of Indians who will die from AIDS
between 2015 and 2050.
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Death - 18 Apr 2007 15:52 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> 5.7 million HIV+ is a very rough guestimate. I've been to India--it's
> insane there in terms of bureaucracy and inefficiency.

Which pharma company paid for (that) trip?
GMCarter - 19 Apr 2007 11:42 GMT
>"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> 5.7 million HIV+ is a very rough guestimate. I've been to India--it's
>> insane there in terms of bureaucracy and inefficiency.
>
>Which pharma company paid for (that) trip?

None.
Death - 19 Apr 2007 16:12 GMT
> >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>
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>
> None.

Never heard of that company.
Is it based in France ?

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