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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / April 2007Everyone has AIDS
Team America video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0owRk-zYOk  SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 HIV Positive wrote... > Team America video: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0owRk-zYOk Yep, that pretty sums up the public attitude toward the disease. The media puts such a positive spin on the disease that public perception has gone from that of an icky contagious disease worse than leprosy or lice, to an alternative lifestyle option that includes such perks as free medical coverage, foodstamps, and handicap parking stickers. They even have parades in honor of the disease, the so-called annual "Gay Pride" parades in major cities around the world, but which I refer to as "AIDS Parades" because in reality almost every participant in the parade is HIV+ (and I challenge any of you to prove otherwise). ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Yesterday you cannot prove yesterday happened today, it would take you all day and then it would be tomorrow, and you can't prove last week happened. You can't prove anything except to yourself." -- Charles Manson ------------------------------------------------------------------- "brainfart" <fart@brain.org> wrote in message news:tJQOh.10178 > Yep, that pretty sums up the public attitude toward the disease. The > media puts such a positive spin on the disease that public perception > has gone from that of an icky contagious disease worse than leprosy > or lice, to an alternative lifestyle option ... PLANTATION - A third-grade teacher was arrested at his home for transmitting child pornography via computer, police said on Tuesday. Michael A. Postma, 26, was booked at the Broward County Jail on 38 charges of transmission of child pornography by electronic device, promoting sexual performance by a child, and possession of child pornography. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-328childporn%2C0%2C53066 02.story I > refer to as "AIDS Parades" because in reality almost every participant > in the parade is HIV+ (and I challenge any of you to prove otherwise). You made the statement, you show your proof. "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod@truthonly.com> wrote in message > "brainfart" <fart@brain.org> wrote in message > I > > refer to as "AIDS Parades" because in reality almost every participant > > in the parade is HIV+ (and I challenge any of you to prove otherwise). > > You made the statement, you show your proof. You really don't understand the concept of a challenge I see. Here is a super duper article. I hope this AIDS your quest. " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > You really don't understand the concept of a challenge I see. > Here is a super duper article. I hope this AIDS your quest. http://www.bobfromaccounting.com/3_1605/superaids.html Death wrote... > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > >>You really don't understand the concept of a challenge I see. >>Here is a super duper article. I hope this AIDS your quest. > > http://www.bobfromaccounting.com/3_1605/superaids.html Oh, wow, and I thought I was being sarcastic. But after a very careful reading, I decided the webpage was a clever parody. For next year's Gay Pride Parade, I want to harass the SFPD by phoning them and requesting information on how many rubber gloves and other hazmat supplies they plan on stockpiling for the parade.. >I >> refer to as "AIDS Parades" because in reality almost every participant >> in the parade is HIV+ (and I challenge any of you to prove otherwise). > >You made the statement, you show your proof. Never mind proof. Where are the scat pics? "Jaye Elke" <jayeelke@ifrance.com> wrote in message > Never mind proof. Where are the scat pics? http://www.modestypanel.com/snackorscat/ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com X-No-Archive: yes >"Jaye Elke" <jayeelke@ifrance.com> wrote in message >> >> Never mind proof. Where are the scat pics? > >http://www.modestypanel.com/snackorscat/ Ooooo those scat pics are all so yummy!!! Mmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! :-) ScottyFLL wrote... > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ooooo those scat pics are all so yummy!!! Mmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! :-) This page used to a daily turd photo blog: http://www.turds.com/ >HIV Positive wrote... >> Team America video: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >has gone from that of an icky contagious disease worse than leprosy >or lice, So, given a choice to stand next to someone who has lice, aids or leprosy, you would choose the lice guy? >to an alternative lifestyle option that includes such perks >as free medical coverage, foodstamps, and handicap parking stickers. Didn't realize the perks! Wow! Of course you know it's possible to get free medical coverage, foodstamps and a handicapped sticker without having AIDS, right? I just wanted to make sure you didn't run right out and start getting boned. You couldjust become a quadrapalegic. >They even have parades in honor of the disease, the so-called annual >"Gay Pride" parades in major cities around the world, but which I >refer to as "AIDS Parades" because in reality almost every participant >in the parade is HIV+ (and I challenge any of you to prove otherwise). You mean because you call it the AIDS parade, that's why eveyrone goes? That's not as weird a you worshipping periods on Mentrual Blood day, which occurs every Dec 25th. I know, I know, it's called christmas in most places, but you must be worshipping blood instead, cause that's what I call it. >------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Yesterday you cannot prove yesterday happened today, it would take >you all day and then it would be tomorrow, and you can't prove last >week happened. You can't prove anything except to yourself." >-- Charles Manson >------------------------------------------------------------------- How interesting thqat you and Manson say the same thing-- "which I refer to as "AIDS Parades" because in reality almost every participant in the parade is HIV+ (and I challenge any of you to prove otherwise)." Zeligg "For anyone who finds it odd that a smut peddler would presume to speak on political matters, let me say that I am not a pornographer trying to rise to the level of politics. ...it is the attack-dog politics of the radical conservative that has descended to the level of porn." Larry Flynt Zeligg wrote..., On 03/30/2007 10:38: >>HIV Positive wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > christmas in most places, but you must be worshipping blood instead, > cause that's what I call it. WTF? What does xmas blood worship have to do with anything? Or are you assuming that because I am criticizing gays, that I must be some prejudiced xian? I'm gay, I despise xianity, and the reason I'm on the gay-bashing warpath is because I can't have sex because every other gay person in North America is infected with HIV. There may be several dozen drop-outs like me around the world, but so far I've never met one and every other gay man on earth is essentially a cracked-out, rutting, AIDS-infected pig on crystal meth. There is nothing more to gay culture than porn, anonymous sex in gay bars, bathhouses, and public toilets, crystal meth and crack cocaine, and regular visits to the AIDS clinic and welfare office. >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>"Yesterday you cannot prove yesterday happened today, it would take [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How interesting thqat you and Manson say the same thing-- And neither of us has AIDS, and yet the opinions of cracked-out AIDS patients are considered more valid than ours... -------------------------------------------------------------------- "A lot of people don't want to look into what [Charles Manson] had to say, because of what he did, but I think it's important to point out that what he did is really no different than what my father did in Vietnam. My father killed people, he didn't believe in it. Charles Manson killed people, he at least believed in it - that he had a reason for it. Neither one is right or wrong, it just is. Killing is killing, there's no difference. Society makes one person a hero and another person a criminal, it's just a popularity contest. Morality is decided by the man with the most artillery." -- Marilyn Manson -------------------------------------------------------------------- >Zeligg wrote..., On 03/30/2007 10:38: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >bathhouses, and public toilets, crystal meth and crack cocaine, and >regular visits to the AIDS clinic and welfare office. Hahaha, you're gay like I'm straight! Dude, you're telling me, you're gay, and yet you don't know one gay person who is not a cracked-out, rutted AIDs infected pig on Crystal Meth. I have to assume you're referring to yourself as well, but then, can one ver truly know one's self? >>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>"Yesterday you cannot prove yesterday happened today, it would take [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >And neither of us has AIDS, and yet the opinions of cracked-out AIDS >patients are considered more valid than ours... Do you feel that Manson's opinions are valid? I don't know how much I'd be fighting to get his input included in this thread. Zeligg "For anyone who finds it odd that a smut peddler would presume to speak on political matters, let me say that I am not a pornographer trying to rise to the level of politics. ...it is the attack-dog politics of the radical conservative that has descended to the level of porn." Larry Flynt >HIV Positive wrote... >> Team America video: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0owRk-zYOk >Yep, that pretty sums up the public attitude toward the disease. The >media puts such a positive spin on the disease that public perception >has gone from that of an icky contagious disease worse than leprosy >or lice, to an alternative lifestyle option that includes such perks >as free medical coverage, foodstamps, and handicap parking stickers. I downloaded an interesting video last night via file Torrent. It's called 'HIV-AIDS - Fact Or Fraud.' The general thrust behind the programme is that HIV is a very old virus that's been in the population for hundreds of years and is totally harmless. AIDS is cause by lifestyle choices and latterly AZT. And to take up your point: to be fair when people are told they're going to die, die, die and have all the lies that comes with an HIV+ diagnosis heaped on them, they probably deserve a few perks. Having said that, I don't think a few freebies would persuade me to take AZT or its toxic friends. SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 snip > AIDS is cause by lifestyle choices and latterly AZT. Where in the world is there evidence for that? Clue: there ain't none. AZT doesn't cause AIDS. "Lifestyle" doesn't cause AIDS. Drugs, recreational or otherwise, don't cause AIDS. None of that causes CD4 counts to drop to zero. It's just so breathtakingly braindead stupid. >And to take up your point: to be fair when people are told they're >going to die, die, die and have all the lies that comes with an HIV+ >diagnosis heaped on them, they probably deserve a few perks. Perks should not include being willfully stupid. >Having said that, I don't think a few freebies would persuade me to >take AZT or its toxic friends. Then, if you are HIV+, you'll probably wind up with AIDS and die soon. Sorry--it's just that horribly simple and I've seen it happen time and again. Too often to people who actually WANT ARV therapy but can't get it because of the greed of pharma. George M. Carter >snip >> AIDS is cause by lifestyle choices and latterly AZT. > >Where in the world is there evidence for that? How about Glaxo Wellcome? See http://www.oldamericancentury.org/azt.htm "WARNING: RETROVIR (ZIDOVUDINE) [AZT] MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH HEMATOLOGIC TOXICITY INCLUDING GRANULOCYTOPENIA AND SEVERE ANEMIA PARTICULARLY IN PATIENTS WITH ADVANCED HIV DISEASE ( SEE WARNINGS). PROLONGED USE OF RETROVIR [AZT] HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH SYMPTOMATIC MYOPATHY SIMILAR TO THAT PRODUCED BY HUMAN IMMUNODEFICIENCY VIRUS. RARE OCCURRENCES OF LACTIC ACIDOSIS IN THE ABSENCE OF HYPOXEMIA, AND SEVERE HEPATOMEGALY WITH STEATOSIS HAVE BEEN REPORTED WITH THE USE OF ANTIRETROVIRAL NUCLEOSIDE ANALOGUES, INCLUDING RETROVIR AND ZALCITABINE, AND ARE POTENTIALLY FATAL ( SEE WARNINGS)." - from Glaxo Wellcome AZT product information. The claim that AIDS is caused by lifestyle choices is partly based on the sort of groups that are affected by it. >Clue: there ain't none. AZT doesn't cause AIDS. "Lifestyle" doesn't >cause AIDS. Drugs, recreational or otherwise, don't cause AIDS. None >of that causes CD4 counts to drop to zero. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. HIV is alleged to suppress the immune system. There are drugs that do the same. Organ transplant patients, for example, are given them to prevent rejection. >It's just so breathtakingly braindead stupid. Name calling doesn't prove your case. >>Having said that, I don't think a few freebies would persuade me to >>take AZT or its toxic friends. >Then, if you are HIV+, you'll probably wind up with AIDS and die soon. Here's an interesting point: if I lived in the US I would have AIDS. But because I live in the UK I don't. How's that for logic? >Sorry--it's just that horribly simple and I've seen it happen time and >again. Too often to people who actually WANT ARV therapy but can't get >it because of the greed of pharma. Yes, it is sad that people who want the drugs are prevented from getting them. Especially as I'm having them thrown at me and I'm having to think up imaginative excuses not to accept them. I appreciate there are other points of view, and I do not believe that money should prevent someone following the medical path they've chosen to follow. SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 >>snip >>> AIDS is cause by lifestyle choices and latterly AZT. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >HEMATOLOGIC TOXICITY INCLUDING GRANULOCYTOPENIA AND SEVERE ANEMIA >PARTICULARLY IN PATIENTS WITH ADVANCED HIV DISEASE ( SEE WARNINGS). Neither of those reflects a loss of CD4+ T lymphocytes. Toxicities? You bet. But not the hallmark of AIDS. It'd be great if you even approached a "clue" about this stuff. George M. Carter >>How about Glaxo Wellcome? See >>http://www.oldamericancentury.org/azt.htm >> >>"WARNING: RETROVIR (ZIDOVUDINE) [AZT] MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH >>HEMATOLOGIC TOXICITY INCLUDING GRANULOCYTOPENIA AND SEVERE ANEMIA >>PARTICULARLY IN PATIENTS WITH ADVANCED HIV DISEASE ( SEE WARNINGS). >Neither of those reflects a loss of CD4+ T lymphocytes. Toxicities? >You bet. But not the hallmark of AIDS. Are you suggesting that toxicity has no affect on the immune system? What is the hallmark of AIDS? SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 >>>How about Glaxo Wellcome? See >>>http://www.oldamericancentury.org/azt.htm [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Are you suggesting that toxicity has no affect on the immune system? Now how in the world did you twist those words out of what I stated? However, these toxicities, granulocytopenia and anemia, are NOT associated with the loss of adaptive, specific immunity seen in AIDS. >What is the hallmark of AIDS? HIV infection which is associated with a steady and persistent decline in CD4+ T lymphocytes. This deterioration of cell-mediated immunity results in dramatically increased risk of opportunistic infections. George M. Carter >>Are you suggesting that toxicity has no affect on the immune system? >Now how in the world did you twist those words out of what I stated? >However, these toxicities, granulocytopenia and anemia, are NOT >associated with the loss of adaptive, specific immunity seen in AIDS. >>What is the hallmark of AIDS? >HIV infection which is associated with a steady and persistent decline >in CD4+ T lymphocytes. This deterioration of cell-mediated immunity >results in dramatically increased risk of opportunistic infections. I'm not really sure what your point is. AZT is toxic to the immune system. People who take AZT go on to develop AIDS. Doesn't that speak for itself? SignatureURL: http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Moible: +447939991519 >>>Are you suggesting that toxicity has no affect on the immune system? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >system. People who take AZT go on to develop AIDS. Doesn't that >speak for itself? Wow...you cannot possibly be that stupid. People, if they take AZT, take it with several other drugs. And nearly 20 years ago, when people took just AZT alone, it was because they had ALREADY developed AIDS. Even now, many people don't start antivirals til AFTER they develop AIDS. Which is a loss of CD4 cells. Which there is not one smidgen of evidence anywhere that AZT causes anthing but an increase in CD4 cells (in combination with other antivirals). George M. Carter >>snip >>> AIDS is cause by lifestyle choices and latterly AZT. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ZALCITABINE, AND ARE POTENTIALLY FATAL ( SEE WARNINGS)." - from Glaxo > Wellcome AZT product information. Yes it says something like that in the label warning and your point is? Ever read the labels on Cancer Chemo drugs? If AZT is so dangerous how do you explain the thousands of patients like me who have been taking AZT daily since 1996 and do not suffer from severe Anemia, or Lactic Acidosis or any of the other rare side effects of the drug? I had a count of 16 CD4 cells in 1995 when I was diagnosed with AIDS suffered from PCP 3 times before 1996 when I started my first drug regimen which contained AZT,Epivir and Saquinavir. I now have over an 200 CD4 cell count and low but not undetectable viral loads. So here you have someone who has been ingesting what you call deadly chemo therapy drugs on a daily basis for over a decade. How could I possibly be alive if what you claim about HAART drug treatment is true? Yes the drugs have side effects, yes I have experienced some of them the most serious being nerve damage caused by Zerit that requires me to take narcotic pain medications to manage. However without said treatment I would not have survived the year of 1996 with out question. Gary Stein |
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