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Gay ice skaters with AIDS...

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brainfart - 20 Mar 2007 16:11 GMT
I read a short article in the newspaper about some ice skater and
from the twink depicted in the photo, I assumed he was homosexual
and had AIDS.  Sure enough, the article went on to describe his
ordeal with hip-transplant surgery, which was needed as a result
of poor circulation caused by his HIV medications.  The article
went on to praise his courage and declare him a role model for
gay youth.

It's sad when a gay person like me can hold such a stereotypical
opinion of other gays and wind up being right about it.  I saw a
twink, assumed he was HIV+, and naturally I was correct.  If only
his 10,000+ former sex partners had been as prejudiced as me...

Here's a photo, I've never seen such a flamer in my life, and the
ascot is beyond super-duper Liberace gay...

Rudy Galindo swishes across ice:
http://www.dissonskating.com/our_events/images/Rudy%20Galindo.jpg
ScottyFLL - 20 Mar 2007 16:49 GMT
> It's sad when a gay person like me can hold such a stereotypical
> opinion of other gays

It's a combination of homophobia and self-hatred.  You can live the
rest of your life this way, or you can get therapy.  The choice is
yours.
bobandcarole - 21 Mar 2007 15:17 GMT
> > It's sad when a gay person like me can hold such a stereotypical
> > opinion of other gays
>
> It's a combination of homophobia and self-hatred.

Like your ignorance is a combination of incest
and cheap liquor?

�You can live the
> rest of your life this way, or you can get therapy.

Therapy would be good! They can help you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_International
Death - 21 Mar 2007 01:32 GMT
"brainfart" <fart@brain.org> wrote in message

> I read a short article in the newspaper about some ice skater and
> from the twink depicted in the photo, I assumed he was homosexual
> and had AIDS.  Sure enough, ...

Last Update: Tuesday, March 20, 2007. 8:00pm (AEDT)

HIV positive man 'wanted to infect'

A committal hearing in Melbourne has heard a HIV positive Coburg grandfather wanted to infect
as many people as possible with the virus.

Michael Neal, 48, is charged with infecting two people with HIV and deliberately attempting to
infect 14 others.

The DPP alleges Neal told some of his victims he was intent on infecting as many men as
possible with HIV to widen his pool of potential partners.

The court heard he lied many times about his HIV status and heard his sexual practices were
driven by personal choice and not by mental illness.

A witness said Neal boasted about breeding youth, meaning infecting them in Coburg toilets.

The witness said he did not believe him but Neal told him he had video evidence.

Victoria's Human Services Department has told the court it only went to police with concerns
about Neal when he was caught with child pornography.

The director of public health, Dr Robert Hall, told the Magistrates Court Neal was being
monitored, to ensure he engaged in safe sex practices.

His monitoring was relaxed in April 2005, but the DPP told the court that in the five years
prior, Neal was lying about his HIV status and allegedly boasting that he wanted to infect as
many people as possible.

Dr Hall said he received a number of allegations about Neal, but his case was only referred to
police in late 2005 when those allegations spread to include child pornography.
Bernard Hubbard - 21 Mar 2007 04:55 GMT
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> "brainfart" <fart@brain.org> wrote in message
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> police in late 2005 when those allegations spread to include child
> pornography.

What a nice thing for a heterosexual breeder to do.
Death - 21 Mar 2007 15:13 GMT
"Bernard Hubbard" <bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote in message >

> > The DPP alleges Neal told some of his victims he was intent on infecting
> > as many men as possible with HIV to widen his pool of potential partners.
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> >
> What a nice thing for a heterosexual breeder to do.

I see the line, infecting as many men as possible with HIV to
widen his pool of potential partners, wasn't wasted on you.

It seems this faggot like your-self was heterosexual once.
He too like you, had children and later in life elected to
go with a faggot life.
You both give new meaning to, born-again, lol.
HIV Positive - 21 Mar 2007 15:26 GMT
>"Bernard Hubbard" <bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote in message >
>> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
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>> > A witness said Neal boasted about breeding youth, meaning infecting them
>> > in Coburg toilets.

>> What a nice thing for a heterosexual breeder to do.

>I see the line, infecting as many men as possible with HIV to
>widen his pool of potential partners, wasn't wasted on you.

LOL. :)

>It seems this faggot like your-self was heterosexual once.
>He too like you, had children and later in life elected to
>go with a faggot life.
>You both give new meaning to, born-again, lol.

It seems quite common for gay men to do what's often expected of them
and live a 'straight' life.

I've met many older gay men who have married and fathered children.
It's quite sad that you, sorry I mean they, waste so much of their
life living a lie.  Unfortunately such men are often in their fifties
by the time they realise how stupid they've been and are of little
interest to the gay community, which is driven by youth.  These older
men have to search out their sexual relationships in poorly lit public
toilets and other unsavoury places.

Interestingly, I know of several 'faggots' who have gone 'straight.'
My gay partner of ten years recently left me and is marrying a woman
next month.  I think he's motivated by a desire for a 'conventional'
lifestyle rather than love and sex.
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brainfart - 21 Mar 2007 16:30 GMT
HIV Positive wrote...
> Interestingly, I know of several 'faggots' who have gone 'straight.'
> My gay partner of ten years recently left me and is marrying a woman
> next month.  I think he's motivated by a desire for a 'conventional'
> lifestyle rather than love and sex.

I'm not sure how "conventional" any lifestyle can be when someone has
AIDS.  It doesn't matter if your ex-lover renounces homosexuality and
marries a woman, he still has AIDS and now his unfortunate bride does
too.

Sometimes I think I'm the only one, but there must be other gay men
who wish they were straight not because they believe homosexuality is
immoral, but because they don't want to be subjected to the threat of
HIV every time they have sex.  It would be nice if people with HIV
could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people
like me could have sex again.
Death - 21 Mar 2007 16:57 GMT
"brainfart" <fart@brain.org> wrote in message
> ...
> HIV every time they have sex.  It would be nice if people with HIV
> could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people
> like me could have sex again.

Melbourne
HIV-positive man 'organised gay orgies'
Tuesday Mar 20 13:16 AEDT

An HIV-positive Melbourne man organised orgies to deliberately infect other men with the virus,
a court has been told.

Michael John Neal, 48, of suburban Coburg, faces 122 charges relating to sex with 16 men when
he was knowingly infected with the HIV virus between 2000 and 2006.

He is accused of infecting two people with HIV over this period.

He appeared at the Melbourne Magistrates' Court for a committal hearing on Tuesday.

Prosecutor Mark Rochford told the court that Neal's reasons for infecting other men with HIV
was to increase the number of men he could have unprotected sex with.

"In conversations and other material Mr Neal has demonstrated an intention to infect people
with HIV," Mr Rochford said.

"He indicated his reasons for doing that is for more people (to be) introduced to a particular
group of HIV-infected persons actively participating in unprotected ... sex."

Mr Rochford told the court Neal organised sex parties and orgies, which were called "conversion
parties", to thus facilitate the infection of people with HIV.

He said some people attending the parties were aware of this and others were not.

When interviewed by police, Neal denied deliberately infecting people with HIV and said that he
had a document from a doctor saying the chances of him infecting others was very low.

The committal hearing before magistrate Peter Reardon continues.

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HIV Positive - 21 Mar 2007 17:01 GMT
>HIV Positive wrote...
>> Interestingly, I know of several 'faggots' who have gone 'straight.'
>> My gay partner of ten years recently left me and is marrying a woman
>> next month.  I think he's motivated by a desire for a 'conventional'
>> lifestyle rather than love and sex.

>I'm not sure how "conventional" any lifestyle can be when someone has
>AIDS.  It doesn't matter if your ex-lover renounces homosexuality and
>marries a woman, he still has AIDS and now his unfortunate bride does
>too.

My previous partner doesn't have AIDS.  He even failed an HIV test,
with a negative result.

And don't feel too much sympathy for the bride.  She's so desperate
for a man that she'd marry him whatever problem he had.  Personally I
took his departure as a bit of a release.  Things had gone stale
between us sometime ago, but we're still good friends.

>Sometimes I think I'm the only one, but there must be other gay men
>who wish they were straight not because they believe homosexuality is
>immoral, but because they don't want to be subjected to the threat of
>HIV every time they have sex.  It would be nice if people with HIV
>could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people
>like me could have sex again.

That's quite a sad outlook on life: too scared to have sex.

Don't let the fear of HIV spoil you enjoyment.  Worst case scenario is
that HIV is a manageable condition.
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Jeff North - 21 Mar 2007 19:31 GMT
>| HIV Positive wrote...
>| > Interestingly, I know of several 'faggots' who have gone 'straight.'
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>| could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people
>| like me could have sex again.

Yep, heterosexuality will protect you from AIDS.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2005supp_vol11no2/t
able1.htm

Male adult or adolescent
Male-to-male sexual contact      50,165
M2M + IV drugs use                4,345
                                ------
                                54,510 (47%)
                                ======
                               
Injection drug use               13,701
Heterosexual contact             14,612
Female adult or adolescent
Injection drug use                7,522
Heterosexual contact             26,087
                                ------
                                61,922 (53%)
                                ======

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HIV Positive - 21 Mar 2007 20:06 GMT
>>| Sometimes I think I'm the only one, but there must be other gay men
>>| who wish they were straight not because they believe homosexuality is
>>| immoral, but because they don't want to be subjected to the threat of
>>| HIV every time they have sex.  It would be nice if people with HIV
>>| could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people
>>| like me could have sex again.

>Yep, heterosexuality will protect you from AIDS.
>
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>                                 61,922 (53%)
>                                 ======

Male to male contact does account for a lot of the total.  Without
doing the maths I'd guess over 40%.

I think I was going to make a similar point using the UK figures from
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=654, however out of
7,450 new diagnosed HIV cases in 2005, the figures suggest that only
553 were through heterosexual sexual activity within the UK.

"Just under two thirds (2,571) of heterosexually acquired HIV
infections diagnosed in 2005 were in women, and just over two thirds
of the total in both heterosexual men and women (2,760) were probably
acquired in Africa. However, the numbers of HIV diagnoses among
heterosexuals probably infected in the UK have increased significantly
(553 in 2005 compared to 130 in 1996)."

And, of course, the figures are skewed because there are many times
more heterosexual people than there are gay men.
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Death - 21 Mar 2007 20:36 GMT
"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

> Yep, heterosexuality will protect you from AIDS.

by Gary Glenn
State Director, AFA of Michigan

Society imposes significant social and legal restrictions on -- and spends millions of dollars
urging Americans, particularly children, to avoid -- life-threatening behavioral choices such
as smoking, drug abuse, and drunk driving.

This rational, logical, common sense commitment to protecting our children from
life-threatening activity is irrationally discarded, however, concerning the deadly practice of
homosexual behavior. With the ready compliance of negligently pandering, enabling politicians
and bureaucrats -- particularly in public schools -- homosexual activists are dead set on
teaching our children "it's O.K. to be gay."

The N.E. Journal of Medicine reports that men who smoke risk cutting 7.3 years off their lives.

Oxford University's International Journal of Epidemiology reports: "Life expectancy at age 20
years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of
mortality continues, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20
will not reach their 65th birthday."

Judging by the number of years at risk, homosexual activity is up to three times deadlier than
smoking.

Society irrationally nonetheless condemns and restricts the lesser threat, while contemplating
laws to protect and force acceptance of the greater.

The Boy Scouts are viciously attacked for daring to stand firm to protect youngsters from
exposure to such deadly behavior. Paid homosexual activists are invited into our classrooms --
as young as first grade, one Detroit activist boasts - to offer our kids an early death by
teaching them "How to be Gay."

Between the Lines, Michigan's statewide "gay" newspaper, reports the risk of anal cancer
"soars" by nearly 4,000% for men who have sex with men. "The rate doubles again for those who
are HIV positive." Between the Lines admits there's no such thing as "safe sex" to prevent this
"soaring" cancer risk: "A condom offers only limited protection."

The Medical Institute of Sexual Health reports [Executive Summary, "Health Implications
Associated with Homosexuality," 1999]:

- "Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer,
gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices."
- "Women who have sex with women are at significantly increased risk of bacterial vaginosis,
breast cancer and ovarian cancer than are heterosexual women."
- "Domestic violence is...probably more common among homosexuals than among heterosexuals."
- "Significantly higher percentages of homosexual men and women abuse drugs, alcohol and
tobacco than do heterosexuals."

The Advocate, a "national gay and lesbian newsmagazine,"concurs that "lesbians are at higher
risk of breast, cervical, and ovarian cancer."

As with smoking, homosexual behavior's "second hand" effects threaten public health.

The Centers for Disease Control & Prevention report that men who engage in homosexual behavior
are 860% more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease (STD), increasing up to 500%
their risk of contracting HIV/AIDS. Men who have sex with men "have large numbers of anonymous
partners, which can result in rapid, extensive transmission of STDs," the CDC warns. "Control
of STDs is a central component of HIV infection prevention in the United States; resurgence of
bacterial STD threatens national HIV infection prevention efforts."

Gay Health reports that men who have sex with men are 320% more likely than heterosexuals to
have unprotected sex without telling their partners they're HIV-positive.

Reuters reported that while "'gay men of all ages remain at an alarming risk,' a CDC spokesman
told a news conference," another CDC study "confirms that young bisexual men are a 'bridge' for
HIV transmission to women."

Thus, individuals who choose to engage in homosexual behavior threaten not only their own
lives, but the lives of the general population.

If we truly care about persons ensnared in the homosexual lifestyle, and others their high-risk
behavior threatens, should society play the role of "enabler" and tell them it's only "natural"
to continue their self-destructive activity?

Certainly not. True compassion for our fellow man requires us instead to discourage such
life-threatening choices, to firmly stand and defend our society, our families and children
from political activists aggressively demanding we normalize, legitimize, promote, and protect
homosexual behavior, despite its deadly threat to personal and public health.

That's how we'd react to anyone we care about, who's convinced themselves -- or tells our
kids -- that it's O.K. to smoke, do drugs, drive drunk, or play Russian Roulette.

Back to Homosexual Agenda Main page
Jeff North - 21 Mar 2007 22:49 GMT
Guess what - there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than homosexuals.

>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>|
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>|
>| Back to Homosexual Agenda Main page

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HIV Positive - 22 Mar 2007 00:39 GMT
>Guess what - there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than homosexuals.

The percentages tell a different story.

And, of course, HIV and AIDS will probably always be linked to being
gay.

I remember when I told my family doctor I'd been diagnosed HIV+.  Her
first questions was "How long have you been gay?" :)
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Jeff North - 22 Mar 2007 08:14 GMT
>| On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:49:25 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>
>| wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>| And, of course, HIV and AIDS will probably always be linked to being
>| gay.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2005supp_vol11no2/t
able1.htm

Male adult or adolescent
Male-to-male sexual contact      50,165
M2M + IV drugs use                4,345
                                ------
                                54,510 (47%)
                                ======
                               
Injection drug use               13,701
Heterosexual contact             14,612
Female adult or adolescent
Injection drug use                7,522
Heterosexual contact             26,087
                                ------
                                61,922 (53%)
                                ======

>| I remember when I told my family doctor I'd been diagnosed HIV+.  Her
>| first questions was "How long have you been gay?" :)

I'd be getting a better doctor instead of this moron.
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HIV Positive - 22 Mar 2007 14:24 GMT
>>| On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:49:25 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>
>>| wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>| And, of course, HIV and AIDS will probably always be linked to being
>>| gay.

>http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2005supp_vol11no2/t
able1.htm

>Male adult or adolescent
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>                                 61,922 (53%)
>                                 ======

Sorry for not making myself clear: I meant as a percentage of the
population.  For example, what percentage of all sexual contact is
male to male?  It would have to be nearly 50% before you could begin
to argue that HIV isn't a gay thing.

>>| I remember when I told my family doctor I'd been diagnosed HIV+.  Her
>>| first questions was "How long have you been gay?" :)

>I'd be getting a better doctor instead of this moron.

LOL.  I think her reaction was more shock and surprise than ignorance.
She's actually a pretty good doctor.
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Jeff North - 22 Mar 2007 15:33 GMT
>| On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:14:21 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>
>| wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>| male to male?  It would have to be nearly 50% before you could begin
>| to argue that HIV isn't a gay thing.

HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care
about the hosts sexual orientation.

>| >>| I remember when I told my family doctor I'd been diagnosed HIV+.  Her
>| >>| first questions was "How long have you been gay?" :)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>| LOL.  I think her reaction was more shock and surprise than ignorance.
>| She's actually a pretty good doctor.
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HIV Positive - 22 Mar 2007 15:57 GMT
>>| Sorry for not making myself clear: I meant as a percentage of the
>>| population.  For example, what percentage of all sexual contact is
>>| male to male?  It would have to be nearly 50% before you could begin
>>| to argue that HIV isn't a gay thing.

>HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care
>about the hosts sexual orientation.

HIV and AIDS are gay things in the sense that they directly affect far
more gay people than heterosexual people.  Well, at least outside of
Africa.

You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement.
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Brian Mailman - 22 Mar 2007 19:28 GMT
>>HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care
>>about the hosts sexual orientation.
>
> HIV and AIDS are gay things in the sense that they directly affect far
> more gay people than heterosexual people.  Well, at least outside of
> Africa.

Try Russia, Eastern Europe, China, Micronesia, and India, just for starters.

B/
Death - 23 Mar 2007 00:55 GMT
> >>HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care
> >>about the hosts sexual orientation.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Try Russia, Eastern Europe, China, Micronesia, and India, just for starters.

Once again I see your education is lacking.
I suggest you keep silent about things you have
no knowledge about.

Here, I'll help you out and provide your dumb-a.s
some educational reading.

http://www.avert.org/ecstatee.htm
Jeff North - 22 Mar 2007 23:09 GMT
>| On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:33:48 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>
>| wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>|
>| You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement.

The CDC is stating otherwise, fool.
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Death - 23 Mar 2007 01:01 GMT
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>  HIV Positive <hiv.positive@gmail.com>
> >|
> >| You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement.
>
> The CDC is stating otherwise, fool.

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HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 02:15 GMT
>>| On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:33:48 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>
>>| wrote:
>>| >HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care
>>| >about the hosts sexual orientation.

>>| HIV and AIDS are gay things in the sense that they directly affect far
>>| more gay people than heterosexual people.  Well, at least outside of
>>| Africa.
>>|
>>| You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement.

>The CDC is stating otherwise, fool.

When did AIDS become a virus?  Can you provide a link to the CDC
information you're referring to?
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Jeff North - 23 Mar 2007 08:03 GMT
>| On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:09:54 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>
>| wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>| When did AIDS become a virus?  Can you provide a link to the CDC
>| information you're referring to?

Does it take a lot of practice to be so stupid or does it come
naturally?
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Death - 23 Mar 2007 16:47 GMT
"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

HIV Positive <hiv.positive@gmail.com>

> >| >>| You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement.
> >|
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Does it take a lot of practice to be so stupid or does it come
> naturally?

Again Jeff does not provide proof of his outrageous statements.
Death - 22 Mar 2007 01:17 GMT
"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

> Guess what - there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than homosexuals.

Again I see you picking on the niggers.
Jeff North - 22 Mar 2007 08:14 GMT
>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>|
>| > Guess what - there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than homosexuals.
>| >
>| Again I see you picking on the niggers.

Tell the CDC that, fool.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2005supp_vol11no2/t
able1.htm

Male adult or adolescent
Male-to-male sexual contact      50,165
M2M + IV drugs use                4,345
                                ------
                                54,510 (47%)
                                ======
                               
Injection drug use               13,701
Heterosexual contact             14,612
Female adult or adolescent
Injection drug use                7,522
Heterosexual contact             26,087
                                ------
                                61,922 (53%)
                                ======
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brainfart - 22 Mar 2007 15:44 GMT
Jeff North wrote...

>>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>|
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>                                  61,922 (53%)

I posted all the CDC statistics before, along with the INFECTION RATE that I
crudely calculated by combining the CDC numbers with Census data.  Like with
black people vs. white people on welfare, while the raw number of heterosexual
HIV cases is slightly higher than for homosexuals, when divided by their
respective numbers in the general population, the rate for homosexual men was
something like 160x higher than that for heterosexual men.

The homosexual rate is controversial, which is why you never see it mentioned,
and it is debatable because the true number of homosexuals in the population
is not known for certain (gays estimate it at over 75%, while rightarded xians
estimate it at less than 0.00001%, while the true non-political number is
somewhere in between).  My calculations gave me an estimated national 10% MSM
infection rate, though I expect it would be much higher in hot spots like San
Francisco and New York City.  I can safely bet that if you tested the patrons
of an average San Francisco gay bar, that the rate of infection would be well
over 50%.  Do you expect the same odds for a random woman you pick up in a
typical heterosexual singles bar?

Oh, and since I started this thread about gay ice skaters, how many gay male
professional figure skaters have AIDS compared to their heterosexual
counterparts (if there is such a thing)?  And since heterosexual male figure
skaters are an oppressed minority, shouldn't they be suffering a HIGHER rate
of HIV infection than the majority gay male figure-skating community?
ScottyFLL - 22 Mar 2007 16:47 GMT
> I posted all the CDC statistics before, along with the INFECTION RATE that I
> crudely calculated by combining the CDC numbers with Census data.  

So you're sticking only to American numbers.  How about doing a more
global research, including those enormous continents of Africa and
Asia?  Get back to us with some numbers.
HIV Positive - 22 Mar 2007 17:16 GMT
>> I posted all the CDC statistics before, along with the INFECTION RATE that I
>> crudely calculated by combining the CDC numbers with Census data.  

>So you're sticking only to American numbers.  How about doing a more
>global research, including those enormous continents of Africa and
>Asia?  Get back to us with some numbers.

Good point, however their data may be even less reliable then that
from the US.

And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 02:00 GMT
> >> I posted all the CDC statistics before, along with the INFECTION RATE that I
> >> crudely calculated by combining the CDC numbers with Census data.  
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>
> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.

I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs.  One is
either infected, or not infected.

WHO has a report showing breakdowns here http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/2006_EpiUpdate_en.pdf
See page 11 of 94 (using the Adobe Reader panel; page 5 in the report
itself), where it shows:

In Eastern Europe and Central Asia, only 4% of HIV infections are
attributed to men who have sex with men.  In South and Southeast Asia,
MSM account for 5%.

In Latin America, that number is 26%, while IV drug users account for
19%, and 38% appear to be heterosexuals with no other known risk
factors.
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 02:43 GMT
>> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.

>I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs.  One is
>either infected, or not infected.

Is there a standard definition of HIV now?  I must admit I was relying
on my failing memory when I wrote that.  Having checked the
information I was relying on it is probably now a little out of date:

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/data/vtwbtests.htm.

What is the worldwide definition of HIV?  Is there anything on the WHO
website?  I couldn't find anything.

>WHO has a report showing breakdowns here http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/2006_EpiUpdate_en.pdf
>See page 11 of 94 (using the Adobe Reader panel; page 5 in the report
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>19%, and 38% appear to be heterosexuals with no other known risk
>factors.

I think the key word here is "attributed."  Even here in the UK where
we stopped stopped imprisoning homosexuals several years ago men still
find it difficult to come to terms with the sexual preference.
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 03:18 GMT
> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.
> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs.  One is
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> on my failing memory when I wrote that.  Having checked the
> information I was relying on it is probably now a little out of date:

Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus.  A person tests
either positive or negative for it.  This has been the case since
tests were devised in the 1980s.

> What is the worldwide definition of HIV?  

If you are infected with HIV, you are HIV-positive.  If you test
negative, you are HIV-negative.

> >WHO has a report showing breakdowns herehttp://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/2006_EpiUpdate_en.pdf
> >See page 11 of 94 (using the Adobe Reader panel; page 5 in the report
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> find it difficult to come to terms with the sexual preference.
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Certainly some people are not being totally honest.  Researchers can
do only so much to ensure that they get as honest an answer as
possible, no matter where in the world they are.  But the fact is that
some strains of HIV are more easily spread than others.  From what I
remember reading, the strains that are prevalent in Africa are much
more easily transmitted through vaginal sex than are the strains most
prevalent in the West.  Additionally, in many third world countries,
anal sex is practiced by heterosexuals as a means of birth control,
which is always going to be an easier way to transmit due to the
sensitivity of the tissues involved and the likelihood of tearing.
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 03:36 GMT
>> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.
>> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs.  One is
>> >either infected, or not infected.

>> Is there a standard definition of HIV now?  I must admit I was relying
>> on my failing memory when I wrote that.  Having checked the
>> information I was relying on it is probably now a little out of date:

>Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus.  A person tests
>either positive or negative for it.  This has been the case since
>tests were devised in the 1980s.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.  It's as clear as mud now. :)

>> What is the worldwide definition of HIV?  

>If you are infected with HIV, you are HIV-positive.  If you test
>negative, you are HIV-negative.

I've already avoiding having AIDS by virtue of where I live.  Perhaps
I was just clinging onto the faint hope that I could move to another
country to avoid my HIV+ diagnosis.  Damn!
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 04:02 GMT
> >> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.
> >> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs.  One is
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> country to avoid my HIV+ diagnosis.  Damn!
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I hope that one day it will be possible to change HIV status.  I've
known some people who have been on interferon for hepatitis-C.  Maybe
one day they'll find a treatment to clear the body of HIV.
bob&carole - 23 Mar 2007 05:12 GMT
> > >> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.
> > >> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. One is
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> known some people who have been on interferon for hepatitis-C. Maybe
> one day they'll find a treatment to clear the body of HIV.

Learn to tell the truth, faggot

"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while
I'm around"--inept faggot scottyFLL

I knew you would fail from day one and I'm
on record as saying so. I laugh at you every
time I read it.

And I'll be here.."as long as you are around"
Shitty  :-) But you know that by now don't
you, faggot?
Death - 23 Mar 2007 17:05 GMT
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole01@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Learn to tell the truth, faggot

"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while
I'm around"--inept faggot scottyFLL

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lol
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 18:58 GMT
> > > >> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.
> > > >> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. ?One is
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> parts...at least while
> I'm around"--inept faggot scottyFLL

That was a prediction.  Quite a difference from a lie, Retardia.
Death - 23 Mar 2007 19:12 GMT
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> That was a prediction.  Quite a difference from a lie, Retardia.

The lie began with, " I think"...

"bob&carole" <bobandcarole01@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Learn to tell the truth, faggot

"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while
I'm around"--inept faggot scottyFLL

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Death - 23 Mar 2007 17:05 GMT
"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message

> I hope that one day it will be possible to change HIV status.

lol, welcome to one day, it is called AIDS.
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 18:59 GMT
> "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> > I hope that one day it will be possible to change HIV status.
>
> lol, welcome to one day, it is called AIDS.

AIDS does not change HIV status.
Death - 23 Mar 2007 19:18 GMT
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> > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> AIDS does not change HIV status.

That is as asinine as saying: a chicken is an egg.
Why do you think one is called HIV
and the other disease is called AIDS?
You progress from HIV to full-blown
............... "Death". LOL
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 21:06 GMT
> "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> and the other disease is called AIDS?
> You progress from HIV to full-blown

You stupid fuckwit!

When AIDS is diagnosed, the person is still HIV-positive.  HIV status
does not change.

Time for you to pull out that eighth-grade science book and have a
good read.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 00:30 GMT
"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message

> > > AIDS does not change HIV status.
>
> When AIDS is diagnosed, the person is still HIV-positive.  HIV status
> does not change.

No one said an AIDS infected faggot is HIV free,
however its status is now AIDS patient.

The flu is a virus also.
You began with a cold, but it progressed beyond
the common cold, just as the chicken progressed
beyond the egg.

In the future, lessons are extra.
HIV Positive - 24 Mar 2007 02:26 GMT
>No one said an AIDS infected faggot is HIV free,
>however its status is now AIDS patient.

Erm, well...

ScottyFLL: "I hope that one day it will be possible to change HIV
status."

Death: "lol, welcome to one day, it is called AIDS."

>The flu is a virus also.
>You began with a cold, but it progressed beyond
>the common cold, just as the chicken progressed
>beyond the egg.

I'm not sure your cold and flu analogy holds up either.  Cold and
early flu symptoms are often similar, but I don't think flu is a
progression of a cold.

Here's another chicken and egg analogy: which came first, HIV or the
test for HIV? :)
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Death - 24 Mar 2007 04:10 GMT
"HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Here's another chicken and egg analogy: which came first, HIV or the
> test for HIV? :)

Hell everyone knows the test came first
The Elisa test was/is used on plants and animals.
It was used for Lupus, Lyme Disease and syphilis.
Now it is now used for HIV, but NOT as a stand-alone test.
It was not designed as an HIV test, go figure.
ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 03:11 GMT
> "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> The flu is a virus also.

Yep.

> You began with a cold

What the f.ck are you talking about?  Flu viruses and cold viruses are
two different things.

> but it progressed beyond
> the common cold, just as the chicken progressed
> beyond the egg.
>
> In the future, lessons are extra.

Your lessons are worthless.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 04:27 GMT
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> > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>  Flu viruses and cold viruses are two different things.

Just like HIV and AIDS, shit4brains
ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 05:01 GMT
> "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just like HIV and AIDS, shit4brains

AIDS is caused by HIV.  There are not two separate viruses involved.

Cold and flu are caused by different viruses:  one is called a cold
virus, and one is called a flu virus.

I *love* that you call ME shit4brains when YOU don't have even a
rudimentary knowledge of the things that most children know!  A cold
is a cold.  The flu is the flu.  They are two separate illnesses
caused by different viruses.

HIV is HIV, and AIDS is a result of HIV.  HIV is necessary for a
diagnosis of AIDS, and it is the cause of AIDS.  But one can have HIV
without having a clinical presentation of AIDS, which really is just a
medical distinction as to the severity of the infection.
Brian Mailman - 24 Mar 2007 05:30 GMT
> HIV is HIV, and AIDS is a result of HIV.  HIV is necessary for a
> diagnosis of AIDS, and it is the cause of AIDS.  But one can have HIV
> without having a clinical presentation of AIDS, which really is just a
> medical distinction as to the severity of the infection.

Considering the entities mentioned, it's an administrative distinction,
not medical.  HIV/AIDS is a spectrum, and somewhere along the line a
determination is made as to definition.  The US and the UK have
determined different places is all.

Has little to do with "medical" per se, or anything scientific.

B/
Death - 24 Mar 2007 05:48 GMT
"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message

> AIDS is caused by HIV.  There are not two separate viruses involved.

You are the most f.cked up faggot to grace this group in years.
AIDS is HIV (with an OI), dumb-a.s.
That is two different diseases, dumb-a.s.
It doesn't have to be a viral disease, dumb-a.s.

Oh, by the way, there is your proof that you said
AIDS is caused by HIV.
And I replied,  a.sholes cause AIDS, lol
ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 14:47 GMT
> "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
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> That is two different diseases, dumb-a.s.
> It doesn't have to be a viral disease, dumb-a.s.

AIDS is a syndrome.  HIV is a virus.  HIV causes AIDS.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 21:27 GMT
"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message

> AIDS is a syndrome.  HIV is a virus.  HIV causes AIDS.

Ah yes, the ole, Homo-Induced-Virus virus.
Kind of like the ole, Cancer cancer or the
ever popular, Bacteria bacteria.
Death - 23 Mar 2007 16:53 GMT
"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message >

> Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus.

I see you have changed your mind. I remember you telling
me HIV was not a virus and that it did not cause aids.

To remind you of that, I said:
the a.shole causes aids, lol
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 18:59 GMT
> "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message >
> > Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus.
>
> I see you have changed your mind. I remember you telling
> me HIV was not a virus and that it did not cause aids.

Show us where I said that.  You are a liar.
Death - 23 Mar 2007 19:24 GMT
"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message

> > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message >
> > > Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Show us where I said that.  You are a liar.

Pass on that. I remember and so do you.
My response to you was:
"a.sholes cause aids", lol
you look it up at your leisure, liar.
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 21:07 GMT
> "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Pass on that.

I never said it.

HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a
virus.

> My response to you was:
> "a.sholes cause aids"

To which I would have responded that, no, AIDS is caused by a virus.
And that virus is HIV.
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 21:58 GMT
>HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a
>virus.

LOL, LOL, LOL.  It's called a virus, so it must be a virus.

I call my cat Tiger, so of course it's a tiger.  LOL, LOL, LOL.
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 23:00 GMT
> >HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a
> >virus.
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> I call my cat Tiger, so of course it's a tiger.  LOL, LOL, LOL.
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You aren't a virologist and your cat isn't an infectious agent.
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 23:57 GMT
>> >HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a
>> >virus.

>> LOL, LOL, LOL.  It's called a virus, so it must be a virus.
>>
>> I call my cat Tiger, so of course it's a tiger.  LOL, LOL, LOL.

>You aren't a virologist and your cat isn't an infectious agent.

Are the men is white coats always right about everything?
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ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 03:10 GMT
> >> >HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a
> >> >virus.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Are the men is white coats always right about everything?
> --http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/

I think that virologists know what a virus is.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 04:21 GMT
"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message

> I think that virologists know what a virus is.

Well at any rate, they know what a grubment grant is.
Jeff North - 24 Mar 2007 11:34 GMT
>| "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
>| > >
>| > I think that virologists know what a virus is.
>| >
>| Well at any rate, they know what a grubment grant is.

If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it?
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HIV Positive - 24 Mar 2007 14:40 GMT
>If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it?

Perhaps if someone finds it they'll let us know.

Until then it's no more than a magic trick and illusion.

Now you see it, now you don't.  But did you really see it the first
time?
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ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 14:49 GMT
> >If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it?
>
> Perhaps if someone finds it they'll let us know.

They found it.  They determined it to be a virus, using the scientific
definition of virus.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 21:04 GMT
"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message

> They found it.  They determined it to be a virus, using the scientific
> definition of virus.

Call........... and raise, when is a door not a door?
Jeff North - 25 Mar 2007 06:00 GMT
>| On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:34:36 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>
>| wrote:
>|
>| >If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it?
>|
>| Perhaps if someone finds it they'll let us know.

You really are a fool.

>| Until then it's no more than a magic trick and illusion.
>|
>| Now you see it, now you don't.  But did you really see it the first
>| time?
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Death - 24 Mar 2007 19:59 GMT
"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

> If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it?

HIV is a dis-ease that can cause a syndrome.
Didn't your mum tell you not to play with matches?
Jeff North - 25 Mar 2007 06:01 GMT
>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>| >
>| > If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it?
>|
>| HIV is a dis-ease that can cause a syndrome.

... and this 'dis-ease' is caused by .....

>| Didn't your mum tell you not to play with matches?

At least I have a mother.
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Death - 27 Mar 2007 19:14 GMT
"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

> Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
> >|
> >| HIV is a dis-ease that can cause a syndrome.
>
> ... and this 'dis-ease' is caused by .....

sticking your dick in a.sholes or having one stuck in yours.

> >| Didn't your mum tell you not to play with matches?
>
> At least I have a mother.

And you buried her? How faggot of ya.
You couldn't wait to get her meager savings? how tolerant of ya.
Did you give her "the" parting "gift" ? How loving of ya.
Bernard Hubbard - 29 Mar 2007 05:41 GMT
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>
> And you buried her? How faggot of ya.

And yet you critised me for allowing my mother be cremated?  What do you
really stand for?  Oh! that's right the one that gives you the greatest
profit at the time.

> You couldn't wait to get her meager savings? how tolerant of ya.
> Did you give her "the" parting "gift" ? How loving of ya.
Death - 29 Mar 2007 15:52 GMT
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> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
> >
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> really stand for?  Oh! that's right the one that gives you the greatest
> profit at the time.

prof, this is the second time you have lost track with
which sock said what.

In one post you say your mum is dead and buried, the next
post you say she was cremated, the next post she is alive
and well, standing in the wel-fare line.

By the way cremation provides the most profit
but the least amount of expense for you.
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> If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it?

Like faggot pedophiles, it is a dis-ease

Posted: March 27, 2007
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Sgt. Brian Burzynski
The Texas juvenile justice sexual abuse scandal - in which Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
and U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton are accused of failing to take action - is a broader scandal
that was covered up for two years, involving hundreds of serious complaints and investigations
against dozens of staff members, according to officials.

The Texas Youth Commission scandal went unnoticed, says Texas Ranger Brian Burzynski, despite
his numerous attempts, beginning in early 2005, to get local, state and federal prosecutors to
investigate allegations teachers, administrators and guards had sex with minor male inmates.

Burzynski exposed the situation March 8 in testimony to the Texas legislature's Joint Committee
on Operation and Management of the TYC. He stated he began his investigation Feb. 23, 2005,
after a phone call from a teacher at the West Texas state school in Pyote, Texas, alleging
another teacher at the school was involved in sexual misconduct with boy inmates.

In his testimony, Burzynski detailed being rebuffed by federal, state and local prosecutors for
two years.

Burzynski presented a timeline asserting his investigation was, in turn, stonewalled by Ward
County District Attorney Randall Reynolds, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, U.S. Attorney
Johnny Sutton and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

All refused to prosecute, he claimed, despite being presented evidence of sexual abuse at the
Pyote school.

Sutton also is under fire for decisions to prosecute two Border Patrol agents and Deputy
Sheriff Gil Hernandez after the alleged intervention of the Mexican government. Gonzales faces
heavy congressional pressure in the controversy over the recent forced resignations of eight
U.S. attorneys.

Burzynski testified that the first serious discussion of prosecution in the case occurred Feb.
13 in a meeting with Reynolds in the Ward County District Attorney's Office, only after the
story of his investigation finally broke in Texas newspapers.

Emerging evidence suggests the scandal was systematic and statewide, perpetrated by a criminal
conspiracy of staff employees.

Texas authorities are investigating allegations that pedophiles on the TYC staff conspired to
recruit and hire other pedophiles to engage in criminal acts of forced sex with the minor
inmates.

Among the charges in a Texas Ranger report was that administrators would rouse boys from their
sleep for the purpose of conducting all-night sex parties.

On March 2, Gov. Rick Perry appointed Jay Kimbrough, his former staff chief and homeland
security director, to serve as "special master" to head the TYC investigation. On March 17, the
entire TYC governing board resigned.

Ted Royer, spokesman for Perry, told WND Kimbrough's investigation has found "hundreds of new
complaints about abuse and neglect and abuse at facilities across the state."

"There is a culture at TYC that has all too often turned a blind eye to sexual abuse and
instead of addressing the issue, people have attempted to cover-up the scandal," Royer said.

TYC spokesman Jim Hurley told WND more than 1,200 complaints are now being investigated.

"The staff under investigation includes the whole range of TYC staff, from the top to the
bottom," said Hurley, who was asked by Perry's office to take on the spokesman's job as a
special assignment.

Three actual arrests have been made, and more are pending, according to Hurley, whose permanent
job is communications director for the Texas Department of Insurance.

"There was a failure of leadership in the Texas Youth Commission," Hurley explained. "The board
failed and the executive director failed."

The resigned board transferred its power to a new acting executive director, Ed Owens, former
deputy director of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Hurley said.

Along with the board and the executive director, the TYC also has dismissed its general
counsel, the deputy general counsel, the deputy executive director and the inspector general.

Hurley confirmed TYC management and staff personnel were hired despite prior records of felony
offenses or previous sexual misconduct.

"Apparently having a prior felony record did not preclude you becoming a TYC employee," Hurley
admitted. "A lot of the vetting of prospective employees were simply reviewed at the local unit
level."

WND asked Hurley if the evidence suggested a group of criminal pedophiles sexually abusing
minor boys were hiring counterparts just like themselves.

"It is conceivable that you could have a situation like that," Hurley responded. "In the past
week we have conducted criminal background reports on all TYC employees. We are also looking at
the records of every extension of term that has been issued for every inmate to see if the
people running TYC were extending sentences of these inmates."

Hurley told WND Kimbrough was determined to expose the full extent of the corruption at TYC.

The TYC has opened up the results of the investigation to the ACLU, NAACP, (League of United
Latin American Citizens, Texas District and County Attorneys Association and the Special
Prosecution Unit at the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.

At the conclusion of his testimony to the Texas legislature joint committee, Burzynski spoke
personally, saying he wanted to "shed some light on the real reason why I am here."

"When I interviewed the victims in this case, I saw kids with fear in their eyes, kids who knew
they were trapped in an institution where the system would not respond to their cries for
help," he said.

He emphasized the personal commitment he felt to the victims in the case.

"Perhaps their family failed them, society failed them, TYC definitely failed them," he said.
"But I promised each one of those victims that I would try to do everything in my power as a
Texas Ranger to insure that justice would be served and that this didn't happen again. The
Rangers would not fail them, and I made that perfectly clear to each one of them."

Burzynski said he "can only imagine what the students think about the Ranger who was unable to
bring them justice. I feel like I played a very small part in chipping away at an iceberg."

At the conclusion, he received a standing ovation from the joint committee and audience in the
room.

The Texas Rangers told WND Burzynski was not available to be interviewed and referred inquiries
to the governor's office.
Jeff North - 28 Mar 2007 09:31 GMT
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>| By Jerome R. Corsi
>| © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Oh lookie, the moron is quoting WND. ROTFLMAO.
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> Oh lookie, the moron is quoting WND. ROTFLMAO.

Oh lookie, the moron is more concerned with the site
than the faggot pedophile behavior, how Jeff of ya.

Here ya go faggot pedophile apologist,
http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/03/032307texas.htm

Texas Youth Sentences To Be Reviewed
by The Associated Press

Posted: March 23, 2007 - 8:00 pm ET

(Austin, Texas) The records of most inmates in Texas' scandal-rocked juvenile prison system
will be reviewed to determine whether their sentences were unfairly extended, an official
investigating the system said Friday.

Time has been added to the sentences of about 90 percent of Texas Youth Commission inmates,
commission special master Jay Kimbrough said. Inmates' families and advocates claim that prison
officials often extended sentences for capricious reasons or in retaliation for filing
grievances.

"I have no confidence in the integrity of that entire system," Kimbrough said as he announced
the probe Friday.

A panel of community activists, prosecutors and juvenile prison officials will review the
records on each inmate's sentencing extension and make a suggestions to a retired judge who
will decide whether the inmate should be immediately released, Kimbrough said.

Gov. Rick Perry appointed Kimbrough to investigate the commission early this month after the
Dallas Morning News cited a never-released 2005 Texas Rangers report that said boys at one
prison had been molested by top officials there. A later internal investigation confirmed the
findings and said commission officials knew of the abuse but did nothing to stop it.

Allegations of sexual abuse at other youth prisons have since emerged, and all members of the
commission, which runs the juvenile prisons system, have resigned.

An acting executive director has been hired to overhaul the troubled agency, which incarcerates
about 4,700 offenders ages 10 to 21 who are considered the most dangerous, incorrigible or
chronic.

One of the former officials accused of sexual abuse in the 2005 report denied any wrongdoing in
an interview with the San Antonio Express News published Friday, and said the ordeal has been
"torture."

"'Which kid did I offend?' I've revisited it again and again," said John Paul Hernandez, a
former principal at the West Texas State School in Pyote. "I've gone back to look at journals.
It's still not clear to me."

A Ward County grand jury began investigating the allegations Wednesday but did not take
immediate action; deliberations are to resume April 10.

Also Friday, the superintendent of a commission intake facility in Marlin was arrested on
misdemeanor charges that he lied to a Texas Ranger about whether there were allegations of
sexual assault at his facility.

©365Gay.com 2007
Jeff North - 28 Mar 2007 18:07 GMT
>| > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:01:25 -0600, in alt.politics.homosexuality "
>| > Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
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>| Oh lookie, the moron is more concerned with the site
>| than the faggot pedophile behavior, how Jeff of ya.

...and you wonder why people treat you like the fool that you are.
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> Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>

> >| > >| Like faggot pedophiles, it is a dis-ease
> >|
> >| Oh lookie, the moron is more concerned with the site
> >| than the faggot pedophile behavior, how Jeff of ya.
>
> ...and you wonder why people treat you like the fool that you are.

I see the faggot pedophile apologist has passed again.
WND wasn't the problem after-all. As if I ever thought
it was, lol.
Jeff North - 29 Mar 2007 00:07 GMT
>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>|
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>|
>| I see the faggot pedophile apologist has passed again.

The little lamer is attempting a flame.
You are only proving that you are a liar and a moron.

>| WND wasn't the problem after-all. As if I ever thought
>| it was, lol.

WND is not a reliable, nor quotable source of any information. It
isn't even good enough to be used as toilet tissue. But that is the
level that you ilk have to climb to.
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> >| > Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
> >|
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> The little lamer is attempting a flame.
> You are only proving that you are a liar and a moron.

Oh lookie, the faggot pedophile apologist has passed again.

> >| WND wasn't the problem after-all. As if I ever thought
> >| it was, lol.
>
> WND is not a reliable, nor quotable source of any information. It
> isn't even good enough to be used as toilet tissue. But that is the
> level that you ilk have to climb to.

and when the same story was posted from gay 365
you still went on as if it had not.
That shot your excuses all to hell but......... you lisp on.

You prove it wasn't the site but the article that has your panties
in a knot.
Jeff North - 29 Mar 2007 18:53 GMT
>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>| > >| > Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
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>|
>| Oh lookie, the faggot pedophile apologist has passed again.

The little lamer is attempting another useless flame. These morons
never learn.

>| > >| WND wasn't the problem after-all. As if I ever thought
>| > >| it was, lol.
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>|
>| and when the same story was posted from gay 365

It wasn't the same story, fool.

>| you still went on as if it had not.

What was to say. The culprits are under investigation and hopefully
the will be sentenced accordingly.

>| That shot your excuses all to hell but......... you lisp on.
>|
>| You prove it wasn't the site but the article that has your panties
>| in a knot.

WND is a site with no credibility. If you didn't snip everything you
would have noticed that I only commented on WND as a source, fool.
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