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brainfart - 20 Mar 2007 16:11 GMT I read a short article in the newspaper about some ice skater and from the twink depicted in the photo, I assumed he was homosexual and had AIDS. Sure enough, the article went on to describe his ordeal with hip-transplant surgery, which was needed as a result of poor circulation caused by his HIV medications. The article went on to praise his courage and declare him a role model for gay youth.
It's sad when a gay person like me can hold such a stereotypical opinion of other gays and wind up being right about it. I saw a twink, assumed he was HIV+, and naturally I was correct. If only his 10,000+ former sex partners had been as prejudiced as me...
Here's a photo, I've never seen such a flamer in my life, and the ascot is beyond super-duper Liberace gay...
Rudy Galindo swishes across ice: http://www.dissonskating.com/our_events/images/Rudy%20Galindo.jpg
ScottyFLL - 20 Mar 2007 16:49 GMT > It's sad when a gay person like me can hold such a stereotypical > opinion of other gays It's a combination of homophobia and self-hatred. You can live the rest of your life this way, or you can get therapy. The choice is yours.
bobandcarole - 21 Mar 2007 15:17 GMT > > It's sad when a gay person like me can hold such a stereotypical > > opinion of other gays > > It's a combination of homophobia and self-hatred. Like your ignorance is a combination of incest and cheap liquor?
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> rest of your life this way, or you can get therapy. Therapy would be good! They can help you!
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Death - 21 Mar 2007 01:32 GMT "brainfart" <fart@brain.org> wrote in message
> I read a short article in the newspaper about some ice skater and > from the twink depicted in the photo, I assumed he was homosexual > and had AIDS. Sure enough, ... Last Update: Tuesday, March 20, 2007. 8:00pm (AEDT)
HIV positive man 'wanted to infect'
A committal hearing in Melbourne has heard a HIV positive Coburg grandfather wanted to infect as many people as possible with the virus.
Michael Neal, 48, is charged with infecting two people with HIV and deliberately attempting to infect 14 others.
The DPP alleges Neal told some of his victims he was intent on infecting as many men as possible with HIV to widen his pool of potential partners.
The court heard he lied many times about his HIV status and heard his sexual practices were driven by personal choice and not by mental illness.
A witness said Neal boasted about breeding youth, meaning infecting them in Coburg toilets.
The witness said he did not believe him but Neal told him he had video evidence.
Victoria's Human Services Department has told the court it only went to police with concerns about Neal when he was caught with child pornography.
The director of public health, Dr Robert Hall, told the Magistrates Court Neal was being monitored, to ensure he engaged in safe sex practices.
His monitoring was relaxed in April 2005, but the DPP told the court that in the five years prior, Neal was lying about his HIV status and allegedly boasting that he wanted to infect as many people as possible.
Dr Hall said he received a number of allegations about Neal, but his case was only referred to police in late 2005 when those allegations spread to include child pornography.
Bernard Hubbard - 21 Mar 2007 04:55 GMT  Signature "The homosexuality is so etched onto the mind of Jimbo Riske that even mental illness does not prevent him from focusing on it." --Bernard Hubbard
> > "brainfart" <fart@brain.org> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > police in late 2005 when those allegations spread to include child > pornography. What a nice thing for a heterosexual breeder to do.
Death - 21 Mar 2007 15:13 GMT "Bernard Hubbard" <bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote in message >
> > The DPP alleges Neal told some of his victims he was intent on infecting > > as many men as possible with HIV to widen his pool of potential partners. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > What a nice thing for a heterosexual breeder to do. I see the line, infecting as many men as possible with HIV to widen his pool of potential partners, wasn't wasted on you.
It seems this faggot like your-self was heterosexual once. He too like you, had children and later in life elected to go with a faggot life. You both give new meaning to, born-again, lol.
HIV Positive - 21 Mar 2007 15:26 GMT >"Bernard Hubbard" <bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote in message > >> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > A witness said Neal boasted about breeding youth, meaning infecting them >> > in Coburg toilets.
>> What a nice thing for a heterosexual breeder to do.
>I see the line, infecting as many men as possible with HIV to >widen his pool of potential partners, wasn't wasted on you. LOL. :)
>It seems this faggot like your-self was heterosexual once. >He too like you, had children and later in life elected to >go with a faggot life. >You both give new meaning to, born-again, lol. It seems quite common for gay men to do what's often expected of them and live a 'straight' life.
I've met many older gay men who have married and fathered children. It's quite sad that you, sorry I mean they, waste so much of their life living a lie. Unfortunately such men are often in their fifties by the time they realise how stupid they've been and are of little interest to the gay community, which is driven by youth. These older men have to search out their sexual relationships in poorly lit public toilets and other unsavoury places.
Interestingly, I know of several 'faggots' who have gone 'straight.' My gay partner of ten years recently left me and is marrying a woman next month. I think he's motivated by a desire for a 'conventional' lifestyle rather than love and sex.
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brainfart - 21 Mar 2007 16:30 GMT HIV Positive wrote...
> Interestingly, I know of several 'faggots' who have gone 'straight.' > My gay partner of ten years recently left me and is marrying a woman > next month. I think he's motivated by a desire for a 'conventional' > lifestyle rather than love and sex. I'm not sure how "conventional" any lifestyle can be when someone has AIDS. It doesn't matter if your ex-lover renounces homosexuality and marries a woman, he still has AIDS and now his unfortunate bride does too.
Sometimes I think I'm the only one, but there must be other gay men who wish they were straight not because they believe homosexuality is immoral, but because they don't want to be subjected to the threat of HIV every time they have sex. It would be nice if people with HIV could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people like me could have sex again.
Death - 21 Mar 2007 16:57 GMT "brainfart" <fart@brain.org> wrote in message
> ... > HIV every time they have sex. It would be nice if people with HIV > could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people > like me could have sex again. Melbourne HIV-positive man 'organised gay orgies' Tuesday Mar 20 13:16 AEDT
An HIV-positive Melbourne man organised orgies to deliberately infect other men with the virus, a court has been told.
Michael John Neal, 48, of suburban Coburg, faces 122 charges relating to sex with 16 men when he was knowingly infected with the HIV virus between 2000 and 2006.
He is accused of infecting two people with HIV over this period.
He appeared at the Melbourne Magistrates' Court for a committal hearing on Tuesday.
Prosecutor Mark Rochford told the court that Neal's reasons for infecting other men with HIV was to increase the number of men he could have unprotected sex with.
"In conversations and other material Mr Neal has demonstrated an intention to infect people with HIV," Mr Rochford said.
"He indicated his reasons for doing that is for more people (to be) introduced to a particular group of HIV-infected persons actively participating in unprotected ... sex."
Mr Rochford told the court Neal organised sex parties and orgies, which were called "conversion parties", to thus facilitate the infection of people with HIV.
He said some people attending the parties were aware of this and others were not.
When interviewed by police, Neal denied deliberately infecting people with HIV and said that he had a document from a doctor saying the chances of him infecting others was very low.
The committal hearing before magistrate Peter Reardon continues.
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HIV Positive - 21 Mar 2007 17:01 GMT >HIV Positive wrote... >> Interestingly, I know of several 'faggots' who have gone 'straight.' >> My gay partner of ten years recently left me and is marrying a woman >> next month. I think he's motivated by a desire for a 'conventional' >> lifestyle rather than love and sex.
>I'm not sure how "conventional" any lifestyle can be when someone has >AIDS. It doesn't matter if your ex-lover renounces homosexuality and >marries a woman, he still has AIDS and now his unfortunate bride does >too. My previous partner doesn't have AIDS. He even failed an HIV test, with a negative result.
And don't feel too much sympathy for the bride. She's so desperate for a man that she'd marry him whatever problem he had. Personally I took his departure as a bit of a release. Things had gone stale between us sometime ago, but we're still good friends.
>Sometimes I think I'm the only one, but there must be other gay men >who wish they were straight not because they believe homosexuality is >immoral, but because they don't want to be subjected to the threat of >HIV every time they have sex. It would be nice if people with HIV >could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people >like me could have sex again. That's quite a sad outlook on life: too scared to have sex.
Don't let the fear of HIV spoil you enjoyment. Worst case scenario is that HIV is a manageable condition.
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Jeff North - 21 Mar 2007 19:31 GMT >| HIV Positive wrote... >| > Interestingly, I know of several 'faggots' who have gone 'straight.' [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >| could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people >| like me could have sex again. Yep, heterosexuality will protect you from AIDS.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2005supp_vol11no2/t able1.htm Male adult or adolescent Male-to-male sexual contact 50,165 M2M + IV drugs use 4,345 ------ 54,510 (47%) ====== Injection drug use 13,701 Heterosexual contact 14,612 Female adult or adolescent Injection drug use 7,522 Heterosexual contact 26,087 ------ 61,922 (53%) ======
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HIV Positive - 21 Mar 2007 20:06 GMT >>| Sometimes I think I'm the only one, but there must be other gay men >>| who wish they were straight not because they believe homosexuality is >>| immoral, but because they don't want to be subjected to the threat of >>| HIV every time they have sex. It would be nice if people with HIV >>| could somehow be eliminated from the general population, then people >>| like me could have sex again.
>Yep, heterosexuality will protect you from AIDS. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 61,922 (53%) > ====== Male to male contact does account for a lot of the total. Without doing the maths I'd guess over 40%.
I think I was going to make a similar point using the UK figures from http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=654, however out of 7,450 new diagnosed HIV cases in 2005, the figures suggest that only 553 were through heterosexual sexual activity within the UK.
"Just under two thirds (2,571) of heterosexually acquired HIV infections diagnosed in 2005 were in women, and just over two thirds of the total in both heterosexual men and women (2,760) were probably acquired in Africa. However, the numbers of HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals probably infected in the UK have increased significantly (553 in 2005 compared to 130 in 1996)."
And, of course, the figures are skewed because there are many times more heterosexual people than there are gay men.
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Death - 21 Mar 2007 20:36 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> Yep, heterosexuality will protect you from AIDS. by Gary Glenn State Director, AFA of Michigan
Society imposes significant social and legal restrictions on -- and spends millions of dollars urging Americans, particularly children, to avoid -- life-threatening behavioral choices such as smoking, drug abuse, and drunk driving.
This rational, logical, common sense commitment to protecting our children from life-threatening activity is irrationally discarded, however, concerning the deadly practice of homosexual behavior. With the ready compliance of negligently pandering, enabling politicians and bureaucrats -- particularly in public schools -- homosexual activists are dead set on teaching our children "it's O.K. to be gay."
The N.E. Journal of Medicine reports that men who smoke risk cutting 7.3 years off their lives.
Oxford University's International Journal of Epidemiology reports: "Life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continues, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 will not reach their 65th birthday."
Judging by the number of years at risk, homosexual activity is up to three times deadlier than smoking.
Society irrationally nonetheless condemns and restricts the lesser threat, while contemplating laws to protect and force acceptance of the greater.
The Boy Scouts are viciously attacked for daring to stand firm to protect youngsters from exposure to such deadly behavior. Paid homosexual activists are invited into our classrooms -- as young as first grade, one Detroit activist boasts - to offer our kids an early death by teaching them "How to be Gay."
Between the Lines, Michigan's statewide "gay" newspaper, reports the risk of anal cancer "soars" by nearly 4,000% for men who have sex with men. "The rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive." Between the Lines admits there's no such thing as "safe sex" to prevent this "soaring" cancer risk: "A condom offers only limited protection."
The Medical Institute of Sexual Health reports [Executive Summary, "Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality," 1999]:
- "Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices." - "Women who have sex with women are at significantly increased risk of bacterial vaginosis, breast cancer and ovarian cancer than are heterosexual women." - "Domestic violence is...probably more common among homosexuals than among heterosexuals." - "Significantly higher percentages of homosexual men and women abuse drugs, alcohol and tobacco than do heterosexuals."
The Advocate, a "national gay and lesbian newsmagazine,"concurs that "lesbians are at higher risk of breast, cervical, and ovarian cancer."
As with smoking, homosexual behavior's "second hand" effects threaten public health.
The Centers for Disease Control & Prevention report that men who engage in homosexual behavior are 860% more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease (STD), increasing up to 500% their risk of contracting HIV/AIDS. Men who have sex with men "have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid, extensive transmission of STDs," the CDC warns. "Control of STDs is a central component of HIV infection prevention in the United States; resurgence of bacterial STD threatens national HIV infection prevention efforts."
Gay Health reports that men who have sex with men are 320% more likely than heterosexuals to have unprotected sex without telling their partners they're HIV-positive.
Reuters reported that while "'gay men of all ages remain at an alarming risk,' a CDC spokesman told a news conference," another CDC study "confirms that young bisexual men are a 'bridge' for HIV transmission to women."
Thus, individuals who choose to engage in homosexual behavior threaten not only their own lives, but the lives of the general population.
If we truly care about persons ensnared in the homosexual lifestyle, and others their high-risk behavior threatens, should society play the role of "enabler" and tell them it's only "natural" to continue their self-destructive activity?
Certainly not. True compassion for our fellow man requires us instead to discourage such life-threatening choices, to firmly stand and defend our society, our families and children from political activists aggressively demanding we normalize, legitimize, promote, and protect homosexual behavior, despite its deadly threat to personal and public health.
That's how we'd react to anyone we care about, who's convinced themselves -- or tells our kids -- that it's O.K. to smoke, do drugs, drive drunk, or play Russian Roulette.
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Jeff North - 21 Mar 2007 22:49 GMT Guess what - there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than homosexuals.
>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >| [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >| >| Back to Homosexual Agenda Main page --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
HIV Positive - 22 Mar 2007 00:39 GMT >Guess what - there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than homosexuals. The percentages tell a different story.
And, of course, HIV and AIDS will probably always be linked to being gay.
I remember when I told my family doctor I'd been diagnosed HIV+. Her first questions was "How long have you been gay?" :)
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Jeff North - 22 Mar 2007 08:14 GMT >| On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:49:25 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> >| wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >| And, of course, HIV and AIDS will probably always be linked to being >| gay. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2005supp_vol11no2/t able1.htm Male adult or adolescent Male-to-male sexual contact 50,165 M2M + IV drugs use 4,345 ------ 54,510 (47%) ====== Injection drug use 13,701 Heterosexual contact 14,612 Female adult or adolescent Injection drug use 7,522 Heterosexual contact 26,087 ------ 61,922 (53%) ======
>| I remember when I told my family doctor I'd been diagnosed HIV+. Her >| first questions was "How long have you been gay?" :) I'd be getting a better doctor instead of this moron. --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
HIV Positive - 22 Mar 2007 14:24 GMT >>| On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:49:25 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> >>| wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>| And, of course, HIV and AIDS will probably always be linked to being >>| gay.
>http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2005supp_vol11no2/t able1.htm >Male adult or adolescent [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 61,922 (53%) > ====== Sorry for not making myself clear: I meant as a percentage of the population. For example, what percentage of all sexual contact is male to male? It would have to be nearly 50% before you could begin to argue that HIV isn't a gay thing.
>>| I remember when I told my family doctor I'd been diagnosed HIV+. Her >>| first questions was "How long have you been gay?" :)
>I'd be getting a better doctor instead of this moron. LOL. I think her reaction was more shock and surprise than ignorance. She's actually a pretty good doctor.
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Jeff North - 22 Mar 2007 15:33 GMT >| On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:14:21 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> >| wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >| male to male? It would have to be nearly 50% before you could begin >| to argue that HIV isn't a gay thing. HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care about the hosts sexual orientation.
>| >>| I remember when I told my family doctor I'd been diagnosed HIV+. Her >| >>| first questions was "How long have you been gay?" :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >| LOL. I think her reaction was more shock and surprise than ignorance. >| She's actually a pretty good doctor. --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
HIV Positive - 22 Mar 2007 15:57 GMT >>| Sorry for not making myself clear: I meant as a percentage of the >>| population. For example, what percentage of all sexual contact is >>| male to male? It would have to be nearly 50% before you could begin >>| to argue that HIV isn't a gay thing.
>HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care >about the hosts sexual orientation. HIV and AIDS are gay things in the sense that they directly affect far more gay people than heterosexual people. Well, at least outside of Africa.
You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement.
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Brian Mailman - 22 Mar 2007 19:28 GMT >>HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care >>about the hosts sexual orientation. > > HIV and AIDS are gay things in the sense that they directly affect far > more gay people than heterosexual people. Well, at least outside of > Africa. Try Russia, Eastern Europe, China, Micronesia, and India, just for starters.
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Death - 23 Mar 2007 00:55 GMT > >>HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care > >>about the hosts sexual orientation. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Try Russia, Eastern Europe, China, Micronesia, and India, just for starters. Once again I see your education is lacking. I suggest you keep silent about things you have no knowledge about.
Here, I'll help you out and provide your dumb-a.s some educational reading.
http://www.avert.org/ecstatee.htm
Jeff North - 22 Mar 2007 23:09 GMT >| On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:33:48 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> >| wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >| >| You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement. The CDC is stating otherwise, fool. --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
Death - 23 Mar 2007 01:01 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> HIV Positive <hiv.positive@gmail.com> > >| > >| You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement. > > The CDC is stating otherwise, fool. Tuberculosis (TB) Salmonellosis Viral Infections PCP Parasitic infections CMV Herpes Hepatitis Epstein Barr Genital Wart Molluscum Fungal Infections Candidiasis Cryptococcus Histoplasmosis Pneumonias Toxoplasmosis Cryptosporidium Isosporiasis
and the ever popular AIDS
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 02:15 GMT >>| On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:33:48 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> >>| wrote: >>| >HIV/AIDS *ISN'T* a gay 'thing'. HIV/AIDS is a virus and doesn't care >>| >about the hosts sexual orientation.
>>| HIV and AIDS are gay things in the sense that they directly affect far >>| more gay people than heterosexual people. Well, at least outside of >>| Africa. >>| >>| You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement.
>The CDC is stating otherwise, fool. When did AIDS become a virus? Can you provide a link to the CDC information you're referring to?
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Jeff North - 23 Mar 2007 08:03 GMT >| On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:09:54 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> >| wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >| When did AIDS become a virus? Can you provide a link to the CDC >| information you're referring to? Does it take a lot of practice to be so stupid or does it come naturally? --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
Death - 23 Mar 2007 16:47 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> >| >>| You might want to rethink your "HIV/AIDS is a virus..." statement. > >| [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Does it take a lot of practice to be so stupid or does it come > naturally? Again Jeff does not provide proof of his outrageous statements.
Death - 22 Mar 2007 01:17 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> Guess what - there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than homosexuals. Again I see you picking on the niggers.
Jeff North - 22 Mar 2007 08:14 GMT >| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >| >| > Guess what - there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than homosexuals. >| > >| Again I see you picking on the niggers. Tell the CDC that, fool.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2005supp_vol11no2/t able1.htm Male adult or adolescent Male-to-male sexual contact 50,165 M2M + IV drugs use 4,345 ------ 54,510 (47%) ====== Injection drug use 13,701 Heterosexual contact 14,612 Female adult or adolescent Injection drug use 7,522 Heterosexual contact 26,087 ------ 61,922 (53%) ====== --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
brainfart - 22 Mar 2007 15:44 GMT Jeff North wrote...
>>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >>| [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > ------ > 61,922 (53%) I posted all the CDC statistics before, along with the INFECTION RATE that I crudely calculated by combining the CDC numbers with Census data. Like with black people vs. white people on welfare, while the raw number of heterosexual HIV cases is slightly higher than for homosexuals, when divided by their respective numbers in the general population, the rate for homosexual men was something like 160x higher than that for heterosexual men.
The homosexual rate is controversial, which is why you never see it mentioned, and it is debatable because the true number of homosexuals in the population is not known for certain (gays estimate it at over 75%, while rightarded xians estimate it at less than 0.00001%, while the true non-political number is somewhere in between). My calculations gave me an estimated national 10% MSM infection rate, though I expect it would be much higher in hot spots like San Francisco and New York City. I can safely bet that if you tested the patrons of an average San Francisco gay bar, that the rate of infection would be well over 50%. Do you expect the same odds for a random woman you pick up in a typical heterosexual singles bar?
Oh, and since I started this thread about gay ice skaters, how many gay male professional figure skaters have AIDS compared to their heterosexual counterparts (if there is such a thing)? And since heterosexual male figure skaters are an oppressed minority, shouldn't they be suffering a HIGHER rate of HIV infection than the majority gay male figure-skating community?
ScottyFLL - 22 Mar 2007 16:47 GMT > I posted all the CDC statistics before, along with the INFECTION RATE that I > crudely calculated by combining the CDC numbers with Census data. So you're sticking only to American numbers. How about doing a more global research, including those enormous continents of Africa and Asia? Get back to us with some numbers.
HIV Positive - 22 Mar 2007 17:16 GMT >> I posted all the CDC statistics before, along with the INFECTION RATE that I >> crudely calculated by combining the CDC numbers with Census data.
>So you're sticking only to American numbers. How about doing a more >global research, including those enormous continents of Africa and >Asia? Get back to us with some numbers. Good point, however their data may be even less reliable then that from the US.
And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 02:00 GMT > >> I posted all the CDC statistics before, along with the INFECTION RATE that I > >> crudely calculated by combining the CDC numbers with Census data. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries. I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. One is either infected, or not infected.
WHO has a report showing breakdowns here http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/2006_EpiUpdate_en.pdf See page 11 of 94 (using the Adobe Reader panel; page 5 in the report itself), where it shows:
In Eastern Europe and Central Asia, only 4% of HIV infections are attributed to men who have sex with men. In South and Southeast Asia, MSM account for 5%.
In Latin America, that number is 26%, while IV drug users account for 19%, and 38% appear to be heterosexuals with no other known risk factors.
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 02:43 GMT >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries.
>I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. One is >either infected, or not infected. Is there a standard definition of HIV now? I must admit I was relying on my failing memory when I wrote that. Having checked the information I was relying on it is probably now a little out of date:
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/data/vtwbtests.htm.
What is the worldwide definition of HIV? Is there anything on the WHO website? I couldn't find anything.
>WHO has a report showing breakdowns here http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/2006_EpiUpdate_en.pdf >See page 11 of 94 (using the Adobe Reader panel; page 5 in the report [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >19%, and 38% appear to be heterosexuals with no other known risk >factors. I think the key word here is "attributed." Even here in the UK where we stopped stopped imprisoning homosexuals several years ago men still find it difficult to come to terms with the sexual preference.
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 03:18 GMT > >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries. > >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. One is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > on my failing memory when I wrote that. Having checked the > information I was relying on it is probably now a little out of date: Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus. A person tests either positive or negative for it. This has been the case since tests were devised in the 1980s.
> What is the worldwide definition of HIV? If you are infected with HIV, you are HIV-positive. If you test negative, you are HIV-negative.
> >WHO has a report showing breakdowns herehttp://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/2006_EpiUpdate_en.pdf > >See page 11 of 94 (using the Adobe Reader panel; page 5 in the report [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > find it difficult to come to terms with the sexual preference. > --http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ Certainly some people are not being totally honest. Researchers can do only so much to ensure that they get as honest an answer as possible, no matter where in the world they are. But the fact is that some strains of HIV are more easily spread than others. From what I remember reading, the strains that are prevalent in Africa are much more easily transmitted through vaginal sex than are the strains most prevalent in the West. Additionally, in many third world countries, anal sex is practiced by heterosexuals as a means of birth control, which is always going to be an easier way to transmit due to the sensitivity of the tissues involved and the likelihood of tearing.
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 03:36 GMT >> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries. >> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. One is >> >either infected, or not infected.
>> Is there a standard definition of HIV now? I must admit I was relying >> on my failing memory when I wrote that. Having checked the >> information I was relying on it is probably now a little out of date:
>Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus. A person tests >either positive or negative for it. This has been the case since >tests were devised in the 1980s. Thanks for clearing that up for me. It's as clear as mud now. :)
>> What is the worldwide definition of HIV?
>If you are infected with HIV, you are HIV-positive. If you test >negative, you are HIV-negative. I've already avoiding having AIDS by virtue of where I live. Perhaps I was just clinging onto the faint hope that I could move to another country to avoid my HIV+ diagnosis. Damn!
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 04:02 GMT > >> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries. > >> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. One is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > country to avoid my HIV+ diagnosis. Damn! > --http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ I hope that one day it will be possible to change HIV status. I've known some people who have been on interferon for hepatitis-C. Maybe one day they'll find a treatment to clear the body of HIV.
bob&carole - 23 Mar 2007 05:12 GMT > > >> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries. > > >> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. One is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > known some people who have been on interferon for hepatitis-C. Maybe > one day they'll find a treatment to clear the body of HIV. Learn to tell the truth, faggot
"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here parts...at least while I'm around"--inept faggot scottyFLL
I knew you would fail from day one and I'm on record as saying so. I laugh at you every time I read it.
And I'll be here.."as long as you are around" Shitty :-) But you know that by now don't you, faggot?
Death - 23 Mar 2007 17:05 GMT "bob&carole" <bobandcarole01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Learn to tell the truth, faggot
"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here parts...at least while I'm around"--inept faggot scottyFLL
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 18:58 GMT > > > >> >> And the definition of HIV and AIDS differs between countries. > > > >> >I don't think that the definition of HIV infection differs. ?One is [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > parts...at least while > I'm around"--inept faggot scottyFLL That was a prediction. Quite a difference from a lie, Retardia.
Death - 23 Mar 2007 19:12 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> That was a prediction. Quite a difference from a lie, Retardia. The lie began with, " I think"...
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Learn to tell the truth, faggot
"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here parts...at least while I'm around"--inept faggot scottyFLL
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Death - 23 Mar 2007 17:05 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> I hope that one day it will be possible to change HIV status. lol, welcome to one day, it is called AIDS.
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 18:59 GMT > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > > > I hope that one day it will be possible to change HIV status. > > lol, welcome to one day, it is called AIDS. AIDS does not change HIV status.
Death - 23 Mar 2007 19:18 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > AIDS does not change HIV status. That is as asinine as saying: a chicken is an egg. Why do you think one is called HIV and the other disease is called AIDS? You progress from HIV to full-blown ............... "Death". LOL
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 21:06 GMT > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > > > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and the other disease is called AIDS? > You progress from HIV to full-blown You stupid fuckwit!
When AIDS is diagnosed, the person is still HIV-positive. HIV status does not change.
Time for you to pull out that eighth-grade science book and have a good read.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 00:30 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > > AIDS does not change HIV status. > > When AIDS is diagnosed, the person is still HIV-positive. HIV status > does not change. No one said an AIDS infected faggot is HIV free, however its status is now AIDS patient.
The flu is a virus also. You began with a cold, but it progressed beyond the common cold, just as the chicken progressed beyond the egg.
In the future, lessons are extra.
HIV Positive - 24 Mar 2007 02:26 GMT >No one said an AIDS infected faggot is HIV free, >however its status is now AIDS patient. Erm, well...
ScottyFLL: "I hope that one day it will be possible to change HIV status."
Death: "lol, welcome to one day, it is called AIDS."
>The flu is a virus also. >You began with a cold, but it progressed beyond >the common cold, just as the chicken progressed >beyond the egg. I'm not sure your cold and flu analogy holds up either. Cold and early flu symptoms are often similar, but I don't think flu is a progression of a cold.
Here's another chicken and egg analogy: which came first, HIV or the test for HIV? :)
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Death - 24 Mar 2007 04:10 GMT "HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Here's another chicken and egg analogy: which came first, HIV or the > test for HIV? :) Hell everyone knows the test came first The Elisa test was/is used on plants and animals. It was used for Lupus, Lyme Disease and syphilis. Now it is now used for HIV, but NOT as a stand-alone test. It was not designed as an HIV test, go figure.
ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 03:11 GMT > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The flu is a virus also. Yep.
> You began with a cold What the f.ck are you talking about? Flu viruses and cold viruses are two different things.
> but it progressed beyond > the common cold, just as the chicken progressed > beyond the egg. > > In the future, lessons are extra. Your lessons are worthless.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 04:27 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Flu viruses and cold viruses are two different things. Just like HIV and AIDS, shit4brains
ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 05:01 GMT > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > > > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Just like HIV and AIDS, shit4brains AIDS is caused by HIV. There are not two separate viruses involved.
Cold and flu are caused by different viruses: one is called a cold virus, and one is called a flu virus.
I *love* that you call ME shit4brains when YOU don't have even a rudimentary knowledge of the things that most children know! A cold is a cold. The flu is the flu. They are two separate illnesses caused by different viruses.
HIV is HIV, and AIDS is a result of HIV. HIV is necessary for a diagnosis of AIDS, and it is the cause of AIDS. But one can have HIV without having a clinical presentation of AIDS, which really is just a medical distinction as to the severity of the infection.
Brian Mailman - 24 Mar 2007 05:30 GMT > HIV is HIV, and AIDS is a result of HIV. HIV is necessary for a > diagnosis of AIDS, and it is the cause of AIDS. But one can have HIV > without having a clinical presentation of AIDS, which really is just a > medical distinction as to the severity of the infection. Considering the entities mentioned, it's an administrative distinction, not medical. HIV/AIDS is a spectrum, and somewhere along the line a determination is made as to definition. The US and the UK have determined different places is all.
Has little to do with "medical" per se, or anything scientific.
B/
Death - 24 Mar 2007 05:48 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> AIDS is caused by HIV. There are not two separate viruses involved. You are the most f.cked up faggot to grace this group in years. AIDS is HIV (with an OI), dumb-a.s. That is two different diseases, dumb-a.s. It doesn't have to be a viral disease, dumb-a.s.
Oh, by the way, there is your proof that you said AIDS is caused by HIV. And I replied, a.sholes cause AIDS, lol
ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 14:47 GMT > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That is two different diseases, dumb-a.s. > It doesn't have to be a viral disease, dumb-a.s. AIDS is a syndrome. HIV is a virus. HIV causes AIDS.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 21:27 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> AIDS is a syndrome. HIV is a virus. HIV causes AIDS. Ah yes, the ole, Homo-Induced-Virus virus. Kind of like the ole, Cancer cancer or the ever popular, Bacteria bacteria.
Death - 23 Mar 2007 16:53 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message >
> Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus. I see you have changed your mind. I remember you telling me HIV was not a virus and that it did not cause aids.
To remind you of that, I said: the a.shole causes aids, lol
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 18:59 GMT > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > > > Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus. > > I see you have changed your mind. I remember you telling > me HIV was not a virus and that it did not cause aids. Show us where I said that. You are a liar.
Death - 23 Mar 2007 19:24 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > > > > Ummm... HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Show us where I said that. You are a liar. Pass on that. I remember and so do you. My response to you was: "a.sholes cause aids", lol you look it up at your leisure, liar.
ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 21:07 GMT > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > > > "ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pass on that. I never said it.
HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a virus.
> My response to you was: > "a.sholes cause aids" To which I would have responded that, no, AIDS is caused by a virus. And that virus is HIV.
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 21:58 GMT >HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a >virus. LOL, LOL, LOL. It's called a virus, so it must be a virus.
I call my cat Tiger, so of course it's a tiger. LOL, LOL, LOL.
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ScottyFLL - 23 Mar 2007 23:00 GMT > >HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a > >virus. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I call my cat Tiger, so of course it's a tiger. LOL, LOL, LOL. > --http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ You aren't a virologist and your cat isn't an infectious agent.
HIV Positive - 23 Mar 2007 23:57 GMT >> >HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a >> >virus.
>> LOL, LOL, LOL. It's called a virus, so it must be a virus. >> >> I call my cat Tiger, so of course it's a tiger. LOL, LOL, LOL.
>You aren't a virologist and your cat isn't an infectious agent. Are the men is white coats always right about everything?
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ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 03:10 GMT > >> >HIV stands for "human immunodeficiency VIRUS", so of course it's a > >> >virus. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Are the men is white coats always right about everything? > --http://hiv.positive.googlepages.com/ I think that virologists know what a virus is.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 04:21 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> I think that virologists know what a virus is. Well at any rate, they know what a grubment grant is.
Jeff North - 24 Mar 2007 11:34 GMT >| "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message >| > > >| > I think that virologists know what a virus is. >| > >| Well at any rate, they know what a grubment grant is. If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it? --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
HIV Positive - 24 Mar 2007 14:40 GMT >If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it? Perhaps if someone finds it they'll let us know.
Until then it's no more than a magic trick and illusion.
Now you see it, now you don't. But did you really see it the first time?
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ScottyFLL - 24 Mar 2007 14:49 GMT > >If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it? > > Perhaps if someone finds it they'll let us know. They found it. They determined it to be a virus, using the scientific definition of virus.
Death - 24 Mar 2007 21:04 GMT "ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in message
> They found it. They determined it to be a virus, using the scientific > definition of virus. Call........... and raise, when is a door not a door?
Jeff North - 25 Mar 2007 06:00 GMT >| On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:34:36 GMT, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> >| wrote: >| >| >If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it? >| >| Perhaps if someone finds it they'll let us know. You really are a fool.
>| Until then it's no more than a magic trick and illusion. >| >| Now you see it, now you don't. But did you really see it the first >| time? --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
Death - 24 Mar 2007 19:59 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it? HIV is a dis-ease that can cause a syndrome. Didn't your mum tell you not to play with matches?
Jeff North - 25 Mar 2007 06:01 GMT >| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >| > >| > If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it? >| >| HIV is a dis-ease that can cause a syndrome. ... and this 'dis-ease' is caused by .....
>| Didn't your mum tell you not to play with matches? At least I have a mother. --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
Death - 27 Mar 2007 19:14 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > >| > >| HIV is a dis-ease that can cause a syndrome. > > ... and this 'dis-ease' is caused by ..... sticking your dick in a.sholes or having one stuck in yours.
> >| Didn't your mum tell you not to play with matches? > > At least I have a mother. And you buried her? How faggot of ya. You couldn't wait to get her meager savings? how tolerant of ya. Did you give her "the" parting "gift" ? How loving of ya.
Bernard Hubbard - 29 Mar 2007 05:41 GMT  Signature "The homosexuality is so etched onto the mind of Jimbo Riske that even mental illness does not prevent him from focusing on it." --Bernard Hubbard
> > "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > And you buried her? How faggot of ya. And yet you critised me for allowing my mother be cremated? What do you really stand for? Oh! that's right the one that gives you the greatest profit at the time.
> You couldn't wait to get her meager savings? how tolerant of ya. > Did you give her "the" parting "gift" ? How loving of ya. Death - 29 Mar 2007 15:52 GMT "Bernard Hubbard" <bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote in message
> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > really stand for? Oh! that's right the one that gives you the greatest > profit at the time. prof, this is the second time you have lost track with which sock said what.
In one post you say your mum is dead and buried, the next post you say she was cremated, the next post she is alive and well, standing in the wel-fare line.
By the way cremation provides the most profit but the least amount of expense for you.
Death - 28 Mar 2007 04:05 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> If HIV is NOT a virus then what is it? Like faggot pedophiles, it is a dis-ease
Posted: March 27, 2007 By Jerome R. Corsi © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
Sgt. Brian Burzynski The Texas juvenile justice sexual abuse scandal - in which Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton are accused of failing to take action - is a broader scandal that was covered up for two years, involving hundreds of serious complaints and investigations against dozens of staff members, according to officials.
The Texas Youth Commission scandal went unnoticed, says Texas Ranger Brian Burzynski, despite his numerous attempts, beginning in early 2005, to get local, state and federal prosecutors to investigate allegations teachers, administrators and guards had sex with minor male inmates.
Burzynski exposed the situation March 8 in testimony to the Texas legislature's Joint Committee on Operation and Management of the TYC. He stated he began his investigation Feb. 23, 2005, after a phone call from a teacher at the West Texas state school in Pyote, Texas, alleging another teacher at the school was involved in sexual misconduct with boy inmates.
In his testimony, Burzynski detailed being rebuffed by federal, state and local prosecutors for two years.
Burzynski presented a timeline asserting his investigation was, in turn, stonewalled by Ward County District Attorney Randall Reynolds, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
All refused to prosecute, he claimed, despite being presented evidence of sexual abuse at the Pyote school.
Sutton also is under fire for decisions to prosecute two Border Patrol agents and Deputy Sheriff Gil Hernandez after the alleged intervention of the Mexican government. Gonzales faces heavy congressional pressure in the controversy over the recent forced resignations of eight U.S. attorneys.
Burzynski testified that the first serious discussion of prosecution in the case occurred Feb. 13 in a meeting with Reynolds in the Ward County District Attorney's Office, only after the story of his investigation finally broke in Texas newspapers.
Emerging evidence suggests the scandal was systematic and statewide, perpetrated by a criminal conspiracy of staff employees.
Texas authorities are investigating allegations that pedophiles on the TYC staff conspired to recruit and hire other pedophiles to engage in criminal acts of forced sex with the minor inmates.
Among the charges in a Texas Ranger report was that administrators would rouse boys from their sleep for the purpose of conducting all-night sex parties.
On March 2, Gov. Rick Perry appointed Jay Kimbrough, his former staff chief and homeland security director, to serve as "special master" to head the TYC investigation. On March 17, the entire TYC governing board resigned.
Ted Royer, spokesman for Perry, told WND Kimbrough's investigation has found "hundreds of new complaints about abuse and neglect and abuse at facilities across the state."
"There is a culture at TYC that has all too often turned a blind eye to sexual abuse and instead of addressing the issue, people have attempted to cover-up the scandal," Royer said.
TYC spokesman Jim Hurley told WND more than 1,200 complaints are now being investigated.
"The staff under investigation includes the whole range of TYC staff, from the top to the bottom," said Hurley, who was asked by Perry's office to take on the spokesman's job as a special assignment.
Three actual arrests have been made, and more are pending, according to Hurley, whose permanent job is communications director for the Texas Department of Insurance.
"There was a failure of leadership in the Texas Youth Commission," Hurley explained. "The board failed and the executive director failed."
The resigned board transferred its power to a new acting executive director, Ed Owens, former deputy director of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Hurley said.
Along with the board and the executive director, the TYC also has dismissed its general counsel, the deputy general counsel, the deputy executive director and the inspector general.
Hurley confirmed TYC management and staff personnel were hired despite prior records of felony offenses or previous sexual misconduct.
"Apparently having a prior felony record did not preclude you becoming a TYC employee," Hurley admitted. "A lot of the vetting of prospective employees were simply reviewed at the local unit level."
WND asked Hurley if the evidence suggested a group of criminal pedophiles sexually abusing minor boys were hiring counterparts just like themselves.
"It is conceivable that you could have a situation like that," Hurley responded. "In the past week we have conducted criminal background reports on all TYC employees. We are also looking at the records of every extension of term that has been issued for every inmate to see if the people running TYC were extending sentences of these inmates."
Hurley told WND Kimbrough was determined to expose the full extent of the corruption at TYC.
The TYC has opened up the results of the investigation to the ACLU, NAACP, (League of United Latin American Citizens, Texas District and County Attorneys Association and the Special Prosecution Unit at the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.
At the conclusion of his testimony to the Texas legislature joint committee, Burzynski spoke personally, saying he wanted to "shed some light on the real reason why I am here."
"When I interviewed the victims in this case, I saw kids with fear in their eyes, kids who knew they were trapped in an institution where the system would not respond to their cries for help," he said.
He emphasized the personal commitment he felt to the victims in the case.
"Perhaps their family failed them, society failed them, TYC definitely failed them," he said. "But I promised each one of those victims that I would try to do everything in my power as a Texas Ranger to insure that justice would be served and that this didn't happen again. The Rangers would not fail them, and I made that perfectly clear to each one of them."
Burzynski said he "can only imagine what the students think about the Ranger who was unable to bring them justice. I feel like I played a very small part in chipping away at an iceberg."
At the conclusion, he received a standing ovation from the joint committee and audience in the room.
The Texas Rangers told WND Burzynski was not available to be interviewed and referred inquiries to the governor's office.
Jeff North - 28 Mar 2007 09:31 GMT >| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >| > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >| By Jerome R. Corsi >| © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Oh lookie, the moron is quoting WND. ROTFLMAO. --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
Death - 28 Mar 2007 17:49 GMT > >| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > >| > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oh lookie, the moron is quoting WND. ROTFLMAO. Oh lookie, the moron is more concerned with the site than the faggot pedophile behavior, how Jeff of ya.
Here ya go faggot pedophile apologist, http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/03/032307texas.htm
Texas Youth Sentences To Be Reviewed by The Associated Press
Posted: March 23, 2007 - 8:00 pm ET
(Austin, Texas) The records of most inmates in Texas' scandal-rocked juvenile prison system will be reviewed to determine whether their sentences were unfairly extended, an official investigating the system said Friday.
Time has been added to the sentences of about 90 percent of Texas Youth Commission inmates, commission special master Jay Kimbrough said. Inmates' families and advocates claim that prison officials often extended sentences for capricious reasons or in retaliation for filing grievances.
"I have no confidence in the integrity of that entire system," Kimbrough said as he announced the probe Friday.
A panel of community activists, prosecutors and juvenile prison officials will review the records on each inmate's sentencing extension and make a suggestions to a retired judge who will decide whether the inmate should be immediately released, Kimbrough said.
Gov. Rick Perry appointed Kimbrough to investigate the commission early this month after the Dallas Morning News cited a never-released 2005 Texas Rangers report that said boys at one prison had been molested by top officials there. A later internal investigation confirmed the findings and said commission officials knew of the abuse but did nothing to stop it.
Allegations of sexual abuse at other youth prisons have since emerged, and all members of the commission, which runs the juvenile prisons system, have resigned.
An acting executive director has been hired to overhaul the troubled agency, which incarcerates about 4,700 offenders ages 10 to 21 who are considered the most dangerous, incorrigible or chronic.
One of the former officials accused of sexual abuse in the 2005 report denied any wrongdoing in an interview with the San Antonio Express News published Friday, and said the ordeal has been "torture."
"'Which kid did I offend?' I've revisited it again and again," said John Paul Hernandez, a former principal at the West Texas State School in Pyote. "I've gone back to look at journals. It's still not clear to me."
A Ward County grand jury began investigating the allegations Wednesday but did not take immediate action; deliberations are to resume April 10.
Also Friday, the superintendent of a commission intake facility in Marlin was arrested on misdemeanor charges that he lied to a Texas Ranger about whether there were allegations of sexual assault at his facility.
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Jeff North - 28 Mar 2007 18:07 GMT >| > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:01:25 -0600, in alt.politics.homosexuality " >| > Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >| Oh lookie, the moron is more concerned with the site >| than the faggot pedophile behavior, how Jeff of ya. ...and you wonder why people treat you like the fool that you are. --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
Death - 28 Mar 2007 18:34 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
> >| > >| Like faggot pedophiles, it is a dis-ease > >| > >| Oh lookie, the moron is more concerned with the site > >| than the faggot pedophile behavior, how Jeff of ya. > > ...and you wonder why people treat you like the fool that you are. I see the faggot pedophile apologist has passed again. WND wasn't the problem after-all. As if I ever thought it was, lol.
Jeff North - 29 Mar 2007 00:07 GMT >| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >| [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >| >| I see the faggot pedophile apologist has passed again. The little lamer is attempting a flame. You are only proving that you are a liar and a moron.
>| WND wasn't the problem after-all. As if I ever thought >| it was, lol. WND is not a reliable, nor quotable source of any information. It isn't even good enough to be used as toilet tissue. But that is the level that you ilk have to climb to. --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
Death - 29 Mar 2007 15:58 GMT "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> >| > Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > >| [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The little lamer is attempting a flame. > You are only proving that you are a liar and a moron. Oh lookie, the faggot pedophile apologist has passed again.
> >| WND wasn't the problem after-all. As if I ever thought > >| it was, lol. > > WND is not a reliable, nor quotable source of any information. It > isn't even good enough to be used as toilet tissue. But that is the > level that you ilk have to climb to. and when the same story was posted from gay 365 you still went on as if it had not. That shot your excuses all to hell but......... you lisp on.
You prove it wasn't the site but the article that has your panties in a knot.
Jeff North - 29 Mar 2007 18:53 GMT >| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >| > >| > Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >| >| Oh lookie, the faggot pedophile apologist has passed again. The little lamer is attempting another useless flame. These morons never learn.
>| > >| WND wasn't the problem after-all. As if I ever thought >| > >| it was, lol. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >| >| and when the same story was posted from gay 365 It wasn't the same story, fool.
>| you still went on as if it had not. What was to say. The culprits are under investigation and hopefully the will be sentenced accordingly.
>| That shot your excuses all to hell but......... you lisp on. >| >| You prove it wasn't the site but the article that has your panties >| in a knot. WND is a site with no credibility. If you didn't snip everything you would have noticed that I only commented on WND as a source, fool. --------------------------------------------------------------- jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply ---------------------------------------------------------------
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