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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / February 2007Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS' (Stefan Lanka Statement)
http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.php Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS'. by Paul King Sunday, Jun. 22, 2003 at 12:28 AM After years of claims by the AIDS establishment that a link between HIV and immune supression had been established a High Court found the claim without merit and a unfounded deception. This is the first legal trail of the HUV/AIDS hypothesis and a historic defeat for AID$ Inc. The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Mary Robinson The United Nations Centre for Human Rights, United Nations Office at Geneva 8-14 Avenue de la Paix 1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland To all Heads of Government and all Heads of State To all NGOs Legal proceedings against the "Deutscher Bundestag", the Parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany: Because of the intentional continuation of acts of killing and manslaughter (§ 220a StGB Germany) by the German Parliament. During the last six years proofs have been collected for the following actions that have taken place inside Germany: The State intentionally is using non-valid tests to persuade healthy persons to take a deadly long-term medication. The persons, being healthy before being tested die during the long-term-medication. The German Parliament, since years intentionally is securing that this crime continues. Course of Events on January 15th 2001 at the District Court (Landgericht) of Dortmund: Judge Hackmann announced the statement of the "Bundesgesundheitsbehörde", the Federal German Health Authorities, which says that in connection with AIDS there has never been isolated a virus (Dr. Marcus, Robert-Koch-Institute (RKI) Berlin). The judge figured out that the German Bundestag had been backing the lie of the Federal Health Authorities (RKI, Dr. Marcus, 9.3.95) about a successful isolation of a virus in connection with AIDS in the course of a petition (Art. 17, Constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany, Pet. 5-13-15-2002-010526). The trial was based on actions of the defendant which were caused by the misleading statement made by the RKI (Dr. Marcus) on the 9th March 1995, that there were photographs of the isolated HI-virus inside the publications of Montagnier (1983) and Gallo (1984). The judge proved the untruthfulness of this statement using Dr. Marcus' statement itself. The court imposed a suspended sentence of 8 months of jail because of attempted coercion of the authorities to adhere and act according to law and order. The document of the German Bundestag DS 12/8591 holds proof that the Bundestag had already known in 1994 that neither Montagnier (1983) nor Gallo (1984) had isolated any virus in connection with AIDS. Based on this the Bundestag safeguarded the persistent lie of the AIDS information campaign (RKI) from 9th March 1995 about the successful isolation of a virus in connection with AIDS. As a consequence of non-tolerating this lie and because of non-tolerating the deadly consequences of this lie, the trial took place on 15th January 2001. It is impossible - as far as laboratory conditions are concerned - to develop a valid Virus-antibody-test, if the virus has not been isolated before. Every layman understands that an individual proof for an infection with a virus is impossible, if the existence of the virus has never been generally proven. This knowledge of the German health authorities, that the tests are not validated, can be proven via the authorities' documents themselves. The error concerning the test's validity is spread and supported by the authorities - against better knowledge. With two more petitions the Bundestag safeguarded the default of the responsible authorities, not to carry out the law (§63 AMG, Stufenplan II), to do studies and observations to protect persons taking the AIDS-Medicine, the chemotherapy AZT (Pet. 5-13-15-2002-058744 and Pet. 5-13-15-212-023567a). The health authorities and the Bundestag know that there will be no test method to prove an HIV-Infection, as long as HIV has not been isolated. And there is no doubt that AZT - as well as the HIV-medications in general - are deadly themselves when used as long-term-medication. In the course of the proceedings of the petitions the Bundestag created an apparent peace of law - by means of deliberately untruthful statements. President of the German Parliament Wolfgang Thierse regards untruthful behaviour of this kind (as shown by the Bundestag) as being justified by the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Federal Constitutional Court). A videotape documenting an interview (28th June 1995) shows that his predecessor in office, Prof. Rita Süssmuth did know, that there had never been any proofs for a virus in connection with AIDS and that there are no proofs for the claims of infectivitiy. Still pending in the Bundestag is the petition Pet. 2-14-15-212-02608. It is lodging a complaint against the legal authorities, which stayed passive after getting the attention of the proofs for these act of killings. Enclosed with the complaint were so many proofs, which had made it necessary for the Bundestag to take actions right after perusal, to stop the continuation of these acts of killings by the state. Within the last six months every single member of the German Bundestag was informed six times via mail about these acts of killing by the state. The intention of the German Bundestag to safeguard killings by the state after gaining insight into the facts must be regarded as proven, especially because of the fact that several petitions were rejected by means of untruthful statements. The German Bundestag and every individual member of the Bundestag intentionally safeguards acts of killings by the state by deliberately misleading the public. Healthy people are intentionally lead into a deadly medication via tests with invalid results - and then die. The criminal law of the BRD and especially § 220a StGB (Genocide) protects citizens from act of killings organised by a state which is deliberately misleading the public. It also protects the citizens binding the legal authorities to take actions after perusal. The prosecuting attorneys attended the trial on 15th January 2001 at the Landgericht Dortmund and learned about the facts - in front of the public. Their passivity afterwards serves as a further proof for their further intention in this matter. (LG Dortmund, Ns 70 Js 878/99 14(XVII) K 11/00) Karl Krafeld and Dr. Stefan Lanka, Dortmund and Stuttgart, 14.3.2001 Science, Medicine and Human Rights (Wissenschaft, Medizin und Menschenrechte e.V.), Germany Albrechtstr. 17, D-44137 Dortmund, 0711 2220601, Lanka@free.de >http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.php > >Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS'. >by Paul King Sunday, Jun. 22, 2003 at 12:28 AM What a load of crap. Paul King...where is he now? Haven't heard from the silly git for some time. Like he's a reliable resource! Sheesh. > http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.php > [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > serves as a further proof for their further intention in this matter. > (LG Dortmund, Ns 70 Js 878/99 14(XVII) K 11/00) Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefan Lanka you can read the actual court document. http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.html Far from ruling that HIV has not been proven to cause AIDS the actual court decision was to sentence a follower of Lanka pseudoscientific nonsense to 8 months jail for threatening government officials with violence. Why do fools like you continue to spread Lanka's lies without the slightest bit of skepticism? Chris Noble Alex wrote: > http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.php > [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > serves as a further proof for their further intention in this matter. > (LG Dortmund, Ns 70 Js 878/99 14(XVII) K 11/00) Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefan Lanka you can read the actual court document. http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.html What particular part of this ruling were you referring to? " 2. ... Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen, dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person eine entsprechende fachliche Qualifikation vorweisen zu konnen- eine extreme Mindermeinung vertritt, deren Richtigkeit nicht erwiesen ist. Es ist ihm naturlich bekommen, diese meinung zu vertreten und sich dafur sich einzusetzen, dass sie allgemein Anerkennung findet. Nun muss er sich dabei auf die von der Rechtsordnung erlaubten Mittel verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit dem tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. " I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something. Maybe there are other statements made during the trial that were stated that there was no proof that HIV was properly isolated, but I can't find them in the verdict. I'm sure Stefan Lanka and Paul King could be of more help. And note that I included (Stefan Lanka Statement) in the title. > Why do fools like you continue to spread Lanka's lies without the > slightest bit of skepticism? > > Chris Noble To enlighten fools like you. Actually, most of the verdict is about about his culpability in threatening public officials. You have to admire German gründlichkeit though. Point 1. even mentions the professions of his father, mother and siblings. Alex > Alex wrote: > > http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.php [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something. A brain? - werde ich eine beteiligte Person (z. B. Dr. E töten (Schreiben vom 29.11.98), - sehe ich mich veranlasst, Blut fließen zu lassen (Schreiben vom 26.05.99), - kann es sein, dass ich "durchknalle" und ..."ein schlimmes medienspektakuläres Blutbad anrichte" (Schreiben vom 30.05.99), - sind jetzt "Haarkrümmungen" erforderlich und Personenschäden hinzunehmen, weil ihr "blutgeiles Gesindel" das so wollt (am 11. und 12.07.1999 eingegangene Schreiben), - bleibt mir nur noch der Weg mit der Knarre in die Behörde (Schreiben vom 12.08.99), - Peng - I6 - Peng! (Schreiben vom 18.08.99), - Gut Rutsch in die Urne! (Schreiben vom 23.08.99), - werde ich Bundesgesundheitsministerin Fischer wie einen streunenden Hund abknallen (Schreiben vom 26.08.99), - habe ich von Innenminister Behrens über Q die Anweisung erhalten, Staatsanwalt I6 zu töten (Schreiben vom 08.09.99) The accused who was unfortunate enough to fall under the spell of Stafan Lanka. This lead him to threaten a number of doctors and public officials with violence and even death. The accused was entitled to his opinions no matter how deluded. What he cannot do is threaten people with violence. This is the judgement of the court. How you can possibly twist this to say that the court found that HIV has not been proven to exist is beyond belief. > Maybe there are other statements made during the trial that > were stated that there was no proof that HIV was properly > isolated, but I can't find them in the verdict. You can't find them because they don't exist. The only people making that claim are Stefan Lanka and people unfortunate enough to believe him. Stefan Lanka has deliberately attempted to create the illusion that a German court has found that HIV has not been proven to exist. He appears to have succeeded as he has convinced Paul King and others. > I'm sure Stefan Lanka and Paul King could be of more help. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > To enlighten fools like you. The actual judgement is enlightening. It clearly shows the damage that nutcases like Lanka can do. They prey on unsophisticated laypeople. It shows the danger of irrational dogmatic belief. The accused fell for Lanka's pseudoscientific conspiracy theories and ended up paying the price. > Actually, most of the verdict is about about his culpability > in threatening public officials. > > You have to admire German gründlichkeit though. Point 1. > even mentions the professions of his father, mother and siblings. The whole story is very sad. It's a pity that Lanka and King leave out most of the details. Here is a question for you. Is the title of this thread true :Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS'? If not why are you repeating the claim (even with the disclaimer)? Chris Noble > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefan > Lanka you can read the actual court document. Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial. > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.html > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > A brain? Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yourself doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity. Welcome to AID$ World. Alex > > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefan > > Lanka you can read the actual court document. > > Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial. The title of this thread is "Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS' ". It is obvious to most people now that this is not what the court ruled. > > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.html > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yourself > doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity. Somebody with honesty and integrity would admit that Lanka and other HIV "rethinkers" have been misrepresenting the findings of this court case. Chris Noble > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale > > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefan > > Lanka you can read the actual court document. > > Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial. http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.html > > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to? > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Alex The AIDS denials stand alongside those that state that there is no crime in SA. Both flow from the government and both are backed up by dodgy statistics. Ey Alex have you ever considered cranial liposuction? You can get rid of about 1kg of useless fat! Oh, so this is a German group now, huh? /DH >> > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefan >> > Lanka you can read the actual court document. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Ey Alex have you ever considered cranial liposuction? You can get rid of > about 1kg of useless fat! Oh, so this is a German group now, huh /D >> > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa >> > Lanka you can read the actual court document [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> Ale > The AIDS denials stand alongside those that state that there is no crime > i > SA. Both flow from the government and both are backed up by dodg > statistics > Ey Alex have you ever considered cranial liposuction? You can get rid o > about 1kg of useless fat > > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefan > > Lanka you can read the actual court document. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yourself > doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity. Apparently Stefan Lanka is responsible for this false claim of a German High Court ruling. See the article "HIV" DOCTOR FREED in this issue of Continuum. http://www.altheal.org/continuum/Vol4no5.pdf "The accused was set free on the 24th February 1997 after it was proved that the country's Minister of Justice and the German Government knew there are no data to sustain claims on "HIV" and "AIDS" and no "AIDS" scientist willing to testify under oath on a causative relationship." Now compare this with reality. http://amcat.org/news/ads/1997/AD971205.html "German doctor Guenter Eckert was sentenced to six-and-a-half years in prison on Monday for the death of a woman to whom he had administered a HIV-tainted blood transfusion. The court found that Eckert failed to screen thousands of blood samples in the 1980s, but so far, this is the only AIDS death resulting from the neglect. The Eckert case is one in a string of prosecutions against the German blood business. Three executives in Koblenz were convicted in 1995 for improperly testing blood samples, leading to the death of at least two people." What was that about honesty and integrity? Here is a simple test of Alex's honesty and integrity - Has a german court ruled that HIV has not been proven to cause AIDS? Yes or no? Chris Noble > "Chris Noble" <ChrisJNoble@hotmail.com> schreef in berich > news:1170374116.840157.241940@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com.. > > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > > Lanka you can read the actual court document > Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > A brain > Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel > doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Apparently Stefan Lanka is responsible for this false claim of German High Court ruling See the article "HIV" DOCTOR FREED in this issue of Continuum http://www.altheal.org/continuum/Vol4no5.pd "The accused was set free on the 24th February 1997 after it wa proved that the country's Minister of Justice and the Germa Government knew there are no data to sustain claims on "HIV" an "AIDS" and no "AIDS" scientist willing to testify under oath on causative relationship. Now compare this with reality http://amcat.org/news/ads/1997/AD971205.htm "German doctor Guenter Eckert was sentenced to six-and-a-half year in prison on Monday for the death of a woman to whom he ha administered a HIV-tainted blood transfusion. The court found tha Eckert failed to screen thousands of blood samples in the 1980s, bu so far, this is the only AIDS death resulting from the neglect. Th Eckert case is one in a string of prosecutions against the Germa blood business. Three executives in Koblenz were convicted in 1995 fo improperly testing blood samples, leading to the death of at least tw people. What was that about honesty and integrity Here is a simple test of Alex's honesty and integrity - Has a germa court ruled that HIV has not been proven to cause AIDS? Yes or no Chris Nobl I guess someone will win in the end. In the meantime the unwillingness for these sides who consider themselves "scientific." to work together to find the real TRUTH keeps AIDS one of the most important issues facing mankind for an unforseen future. Oh well, we'll probably all be dead by then so who cares? /DH Alex wrote: > "Chris Noble" <ChrisJNoble@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht > news:1170216154.526936.101580@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 172 lines] > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something. A brain? - werde ich eine beteiligte Person (z. B. Dr. E töten (Schreiben vom 29.11.98), - sehe ich mich veranlasst, Blut fließen zu lassen (Schreiben vom 26.05.99), - kann es sein, dass ich "durchknalle" und ..."ein schlimmes medienspektakuläres Blutbad anrichte" (Schreiben vom 30.05.99), - sind jetzt "Haarkrümmungen" erforderlich und Personenschäden hinzunehmen, weil ihr "blutgeiles Gesindel" das so wollt (am 11. und 12.07.1999 eingegangene Schreiben), - bleibt mir nur noch der Weg mit der Knarre in die Behörde (Schreiben vom 12.08.99), - Peng - I6 - Peng! (Schreiben vom 18.08.99), - Gut Rutsch in die Urne! (Schreiben vom 23.08.99), - werde ich Bundesgesundheitsministerin Fischer wie einen streunenden Hund abknallen (Schreiben vom 26.08.99), - habe ich von Innenminister Behrens über Q die Anweisung erhalten, Staatsanwalt I6 zu töten (Schreiben vom 08.09.99) The accused who was unfortunate enough to fall under the spell of Stafan Lanka. This lead him to threaten a number of doctors and public officials with violence and even death. The accused was entitled to his opinions no matter how deluded. What he cannot do is threaten people with violence. This is the judgement of the court. How you can possibly twist this to say that the court found that HIV has not been proven to exist is beyond belief. > Maybe there are other statements made during the trial that > were stated that there was no proof that HIV was properly > isolated, but I can't find them in the verdict. You can't find them because they don't exist. The only people making that claim are Stefan Lanka and people unfortunate enough to believe him. Stefan Lanka has deliberately attempted to create the illusion that a German court has found that HIV has not been proven to exist. He appears to have succeeded as he has convinced Paul King and others. > I'm sure Stefan Lanka and Paul King could be of more help. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > To enlighten fools like you. The actual judgement is enlightening. It clearly shows the damage that nutcases like Lanka can do. They prey on unsophisticated laypeople. It shows the danger of irrational dogmatic belief. The accused fell for Lanka's pseudoscientific conspiracy theories and ended up paying the price. > Actually, most of the verdict is about about his culpability > in threatening public officials. > > You have to admire German gründlichkeit though. Point 1. > even mentions the professions of his father, mother and siblings. The whole story is very sad. It's a pity that Lanka and King leave out most of the details. Here is a question for you. Is the title of this thread true :Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS'? If not why are you repeating the claim (even with the disclaimer)? Chris Noble > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale I guess someone will win in the end. In the meantime the unwillingness for these sides who consider themselves "scientific." to work together to find the real TRUTH keeps AIDS one of the most important issues facing mankind for an unforseen future. Oh well, we'll probably all be dead by then so who cares /D Alex wrote > "Chris Noble" <ChrisJNoble@hotmail.com> schreef in berich > news:1170216154.526936.101580@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com.. > > http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.ph > [quoted text clipped - 169 lines] > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something. A brain? - werde ich eine beteiligte Person (z. B. Dr. E töten (Schreiben vom 29.11.98), - sehe ich mich veranlasst, Blut fließen zu lassen (Schreiben vom 26.05.99), - kann es sein, dass ich "durchknalle" und ..."ein schlimmes medienspektakuläres Blutbad anrichte" (Schreiben vom 30.05.99), - sind jetzt "Haarkrümmungen" erforderlich und Personenschäden hinzunehmen, weil ihr "blutgeiles Gesindel" das so wollt (am 11. und 12.07.1999 eingegangene Schreiben), - bleibt mir nur noch der Weg mit der Knarre in die Behörde (Schreiben vom 12.08.99), - Peng - I6 - Peng! (Schreiben vom 18.08.99), - Gut Rutsch in die Urne! (Schreiben vom 23.08.99), - werde ich Bundesgesundheitsministerin Fischer wie einen streunenden Hund abknallen (Schreiben vom 26.08.99), - habe ich von Innenminister Behrens über Q die Anweisung erhalten, Staatsanwalt I6 zu töten (Schreiben vom 08.09.99) The accused who was unfortunate enough to fall under the spell of Stafan Lanka. This lead him to threaten a number of doctors and public officials with violence and even death. The accused was entitled to his opinions no matter how deluded. What he cannot do is threaten people with violence. This is the judgement of the court. How you can possibly twist this to say that the court found that HIV has not been proven to exist is beyond belief. > Maybe there are other statements made during the trial that > were stated that there was no proof that HIV was properly > isolated, but I can't find them in the verdict. You can't find them because they don't exist. The only people making that claim are Stefan Lanka and people unfortunate enough to believe him. Stefan Lanka has deliberately attempted to create the illusion that a German court has found that HIV has not been proven to exist. He appears to have succeeded as he has convinced Paul King and others. > I'm sure Stefan Lanka and Paul King could be of more help. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > To enlighten fools like you. The actual judgement is enlightening. It clearly shows the damage that nutcases like Lanka can do. They prey on unsophisticated laypeople. It shows the danger of irrational dogmatic belief. The accused fell for Lanka's pseudoscientific conspiracy theories and ended up paying the price. > Actually, most of the verdict is about about his culpability > in threatening public officials. > > You have to admire German gründlichkeit though. Point 1. > even mentions the professions of his father, mother and siblings. The whole story is very sad. It's a pity that Lanka and King leave out most of the details. Here is a question for you. Is the title of this thread true :Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS'? If not why are you repeating the claim (even with the disclaimer)? Chris Noble > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document Actually, this is only the verdict, not a transcription of the entire trial > http://www.justiz.nrw.de/nrwe/lgs/dortmund/lg_dortmund/j2001/14__XVII__K_11_00ur teil20010117.htm > What particular part of this ruling were you referring to > " 2. .. > Insoweit muss der Angeklagte sich vor Augen halten lassen > dass er in der "AIDS-Frage" - ohne in eigener Person ein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > verweisen lassen. Der betrogung anderer - schon gar nicht mit de > tode- kann ihm danach nicht gestattet sein. > > I think that is the relevant passage, unless I missed something > A brain Yours, because it doesn't exist. Obviously, a moron like yoursel doesn't appreciate honesty or integrity Welcome to AID$ World Ale > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefan > Lanka you can read the actual court document. If you, as I assume, are an AIDS dissident, why are you calling Lanka a lunatic? > Rather than relying on the interpretation of lunatics like Stefa > Lanka you can read the actual court document If you, as I assume, are an AIDS dissident, why are you calling Lanka a lunatic > > http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.php > > [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] > nonsense to 8 months jail for threatening government officials with > violence. The person who was sentenced to 8 months jail was Karl Krafeld! For some reason they forgot to mention this. Karl Krafeld has also made death threats to Rita Suessmuth who was at the time the president of the German Parlament. Chris Noble "Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message > by Paul King Sunday, Jun. 22, 2003 at 12:28 AM I caught the "con-dumb King" in several lies and he has not been back. I'm sure Carter remembers the "con-dumb King" fondly. At that time we were the only ones posting here, lol. "Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message > Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS'. > by Paul King Sunday, Jun. 22, 2003 at 12:28 AM [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the claim without merit and a unfounded deception. This is the first > legal trail of the HUV/AIDS hypothesis and a historic defeat for AID$ Inc. 1-31-7 JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa's AIDS epidemic, often regarded by health workers as a disease of the poor, is in fact spreading quickly among the country's richest and best educated people, researchers said on Tuesday. The study by the Markinor polling firm and the University of South Africa (UNISA) showed a rapid increase in HIV infections in professional people and those with full-time employment -- both key to South Africa's hopes to spur economic development. "The high risk group is growing, it is getting older and it is getting richer," said Carel van Aardt, director of UNISA's Bureau of Market Research. "This could represent a whole new wave of the epidemic." The study challenges widespread assumptions about South Africa's HIV/AIDS crisis, which is often described as a disease of the rural poor who lack access to information, treatment and basic health services. South Africa now has some 5.5 million HIV-positive people out of a total population of some 45 million, giving it an estimated overall prevalence rate of about 11 percent and one of the worst AIDS caseloads in the world. The new study examined some 3,500 South Africans between the years of 2002-2005, a poll engineered to reflect the country's racial and economic demographics. Overall, the study identified young people below the age of 30 as being at greatest risk for HIV, as most previous research has done. But it also found infections rising at alarming rates in the rich and better educated -- groups not previously singled out as being at risk. "We are on the eve of a very scary reality unless we start making some changes," said Tracy Hammond, Markinor's project manager for the study. Researchers said there were many possible factors behind the spread of HIV among upper levels of society, among them confused government messages about HIV/AIDS, greater disposable income and leisure, and general apathy about safe sex practices. But whatever the reason, AIDS is certainly climbing the social ladder for both black and white South Africans. Among South Africa's professionals, for instance, the study found a 34 percent jump in estimated HIV prevalence, rising to 8.3 percent in 2004 from 6.2 percent in 2002. People with full-time jobs -- who in South Africa account for only about half the working population -- saw estimated HIV-prevalence rise to 19.2 percent in 2005 from 14.4. percent in 2002, an increase of 36 percent. Unemployed people, while seeing a bigger percentage jump in HIV prevalence, remained lower in terms of actual prevalence rates with just 18.4 percent estimated infected in 2005 compared with 11 percent in 2002. In a further piece of alarming news, the study said HIV infection was growing most quickly in those aged between 30-34, threatening people just as their careers take off. Overall, the richest third of South Africa's population still has a lower estimated HIV-prevalence than the poorest third, at 8.5 percent compared to 23.4 percent. But the study said new infections were increasing most rapidly in this demographic, rising by 39 percent between 2002-2005 against only a 14 percent increase for their poorest compatriots. "This time it is not the employees, it is the employers. It is not the people without bank accounts, it is the people who make investments," Markinor's Hammond said. "If we thought the AIDS epidemic was having bad economic effects already, this could take us to the crisis point." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070130/wl_nm/aids_safrica_dc_1 MainPage http://www.rense.com This Site Served by TheHostPros I've heard lots of arguments against HIV as being the cause of AIDS, but I've heard very few palatable options. /DH > http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.php > [quoted text clipped - 143 lines] > Menschenrechte e.V.), Germany > Albrechtstr. 17, D-44137 Dortmund, 0711 2220601, Lanka@free.de I've heard lots of arguments against HIV as being the cause of AIDS, but I've heard very few palatable options /D > http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/66369.ph > Court rules HIV not proven to cause 'AIDS' > by Paul King Sunday, Jun. 22, 2003 at 12:28 A > After years of claims by the AIDS establishment that a link betwee > HIV and immune supression had been established a High Court foun > the claim without merit and a unfounded deception. This is the firs > legal trail of the HUV/AIDS hypothesis and a historic defeat for AID$ Inc > The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Mary Robinso > The United Nations Centre for Human Rights, United Nations Office at > Genev > 8-14 Avenue de la Pai > 1211 Geneva 10, Switzerlan > To all Heads of Government and all Heads of Stat > To all NGO > Legal proceedings against the "Deutscher Bundestag", the Parliamen > of the Federal Republic of Germany: Because of the intentiona > continuation of acts of killing and manslaughter (§ 220a StGB Germany > by the German Parliament > During the last six years proofs have been collected for the followin > actions that have taken place inside Germany > The State intentionally is using non-valid tests to persuade healthy > person > to take a deadly long-term medication. The persons, being healthy befor > being tested die during the long-term-medication. The German Parliament > since years intentionally is securing that this crime continues > Course of Events on January 15th 2001 at the District Court (Landgericht > of Dortmund > Judge Hackmann announced the statement of the "Bundesgesundheitsbehörde" > the Federal German Health Authorities, which says that in connection wit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of a petition (Art. 17, Constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany > Pet. 5-13-15-2002-010526) > The trial was based on actions of the defendant which were caused b > the misleading statement made by the RKI (Dr. Marcus) on the 9th March [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a suspended sentence of 8 months of jail because of attempted coercio > of the authorities to adhere and act according to law and order > The document of the German Bundestag DS 12/8591 holds proof tha > the Bundestag had already known in 1994 that neither Montagnier (1983 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > tria > took place on 15th January 2001 > It is impossible - as far as laboratory conditions are concerned - to > develo [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The error concerning the test's validity is spread and supported by th > authorities - against better knowledge > With two more petitions the Bundestag safeguarded the default of th > responsible authorities, not to carry out the law (§63 AMG, Stufenplan [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > Menschenrechte e.V.), Germany > Albrechtstr. 17, D-44137 Dortmund, 0711 2220601, Lanka@free.de > The document of the German Bundestag DS 12/8591 holds proof that > the Bundestag had already known in 1994 that neither Montagnier (1983) > nor Gallo (1984) had isolated any virus in connection with AIDS. This document is also available here. http://dip.bundestag.de/btd/12/085/1208591.pdf The document in question concerns the scandal of people infected with HIV through blood products in Germany. It describes in detail the chronology of the science involving HIV. It lays the groundwork for determining what was known about HIV at what period and whether people took sufficient care to protect people from HIV. Contrary to Lanka's assertions several people in Germany were convicted including the director and four staff members of UB Plasma Corp. and Frank Giesbert and Guenter Eckert of Haemoplus Corp. Chris Noble
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