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No Consistency Among 'HIV' Tests

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Alex - 26 Jan 2007 23:24 GMT
There is no consistency between so-called 'HIV' tests.

" A week after that, he tested negative on an antibody test and
had a very high viral load - 2,515,000 copies/ml. His physician
initiated antiretroviral therapy. "

Alex

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/EB0472C2-12DC-4C88-810D-9C8B90A11AAD.asp

Devan Nambiar, Friday, January 26, 2007

Three case reports from the United States highlight shortcomings in a
method of HIV testing that is being employed to detect early infection
with HIV. In the February 1st edition of Clinical Infectious Diseases,
investigators from Washington State report on instances when HIV
nucleic acid testing (NAT) and HIV antibody tests failed to detect
HIV infection in individuals with recent exposure to HIV and
symptoms consistent with HIV seroconversion illness. The cases
underlined the importance of interpreting test results in the context
of individual HIV risk assessments.

Because HIV antibody tests may be unable to detect HIV infection
for up to three months after infection with HIV, pooled HIV NAT
is increasingly being used to detect acute HIV infection. However,
like HIV antibody tests, pooled NAT testing does not have 100%
sensitivity or specificity and the results need careful interpretation,
taking into account the local epidemiology of HIV.

Investigators from Washington State in the US encountered three
unusual cases involving individuals being screened for acute HIV
infection.

The first two patients were a gay couple, patient A and B, who
had engaged in unprotected anal sex with each other and outside
of their relationship. Patient A reported symptoms of fever, rash,
headaches, night sweats, swollen lymph nodes in the neck,
fatigue, and muscle pain for four days. Upon physical examination
he had a rash on his face, torso and both arms. His HIV
diagnosis was confirmed by an HIV RNA test which
indicated the patient had a viral load of 70,000 copies/ml.

Patient B was asymptomatic on his first visit. He tested HIV-negative
on a standard ELISA antibody test and pooled HIV RNA test.
A week later, he started experiencing symptoms of fever,
headache, fatigue and muscle pain. Two days later, he was
re-tested, had a viral load of 621,000 copies/ml and a CD4
cell count of 219 cells/mm3 . A week after that, he tested
negative on an antibody test and had a very high viral load -
2,515,000 copies/ml. His physician initiated antiretroviral therapy.

The clinical history and viral sequence analysis confirmed
patient A transmitted HIV to patient B.

A frozen unpooled HIV NAT serum specimen of patient B,
taken four days after his exposure, showed no evidence of
HIV infection.

Patient C, presented nine days after unprotected receptive
anal sex with a partner of unknown HIV status. His symptoms
were sore throat, diarrhoea and nasal congestion. He tested
negative on ELISA and Western blot assays, but had a viral
load of 923 copies/ml, and a CD4 cell count of 1,264 cells/mm3.
A week later, he again tested negative on the ELISA assay,
but had a high viral load of a little over 1,000,000 copies/ml.
The following week, he, once again, tested negative on ELISA
and Western blot assays but had an enormous viral load -
26,785,000 copies/ml. His CD4 cell count had fallen
dramatically to 336 cells/mm3 .

The investigators believe that these three cases highlight the failure
of routine antibody testing and HIV NAT to correctly identify
individuals during acute HIV infection. They stress that pooled
HIV NAT tests may provide a false-negative result for individuals
at high risk of HIV infection. Healthcare providers should, the
researchers write, be aware of the various characteristics of
HIV tests, such as ELISA, HIV NAT and rapid HIV antibody
test. Additionally, the cases underline the importance of
recognising the symptoms of acute HIV infection and the
offering of appropriate care and treatment to individuals.

Reference

Stekler J et al. Screening for acute HIV infection: lessons learned.
Clin Infect Dis 44: 459-461, 2007
DavidT - 29 Jan 2007 13:21 GMT
I'll tell you what is consistent - your abysmal understanding of the
testing for HIV and what the various assays are designed to do.

> There is no consistency between so-called 'HIV' tests.
>
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> Stekler J et al. Screening for acute HIV infection: lessons learned.
> Clin Infect Dis 44: 459-461, 2007
don warner saklad - 29 Jan 2007 14:12 GMT
Testing works to ensure the safety of the blood supply.
Doug Houge - 29 Jan 2007 17:18 GMT
Once again:  If antibodies are not present during the test, and HIV is
replicating by magnitudes, testing is not adequetly pretecting the blood
supply.  How simple can we make it?

Doug
> Testing works to ensure the safety of the blood supply.
Alex - 29 Jan 2007 20:38 GMT
Or, the tests are wrong.

It is a basic principle of science that you cannot quantify what you
cannot qualify.

In other words and applied to this case, you cannot say that
(1) there is no HIV present, but (2) there are 219,000 copies of it.

Besides, the very inventor of PCR testing, Kary Mullis, has stated
that his test should not be used to diagnose HIV infection or presence.

Alex

> Once again:  If antibodies are not present during the test, and HIV is
> replicating by magnitudes, testing is not adequetly pretecting the blood
> supply.  How simple can we make it?
>
> Doug
> > Testing works to ensure the safety of the blood supply.
don warner saklad - 29 Jan 2007 23:58 GMT
Until they had a test to separate out the infected blood
half the hemophiliacs became infected.

There's his idea of what's going on and
there's what's going on in reality.

These people think that their ideas can overwhelm,
can nullify reality. --If I can imagine it or say it then
it can be true even though I know nothing about it.-- Then
there's reality again come back to bite you in the a.s.

There are no new people being infected. Period.

There may be exceptions. Then of those exceptions there are
those who got it some other way, like from a sexual
partner.

Sure, imagine the millions of suicides from people who got
tuberculosis tests--another idiot who thinks that if he can
imagine it it must be so.
GMCarter - 30 Jan 2007 12:25 GMT
>Or, the tests are wrong.

A demonstrably false statement.

>It is a basic principle of science that you cannot quantify what you
>cannot qualify.

So HIV exists because one can quantify and qualify it.

>In other words and applied to this case, you cannot say that
>(1) there is no HIV present, but (2) there are 219,000 copies of it.

No one has said that but foolsl ike you.

>Besides, the very inventor of PCR testing, Kary Mullis, has stated
>that his test should not be used to diagnose HIV infection or presence.

That's not the same as saying that HIV does not exist; and mostly, PCR
is not used to diagnose HIV infection.

HIV infection does NOT immediately cause an immune system SPECIFIC
response in terms of generation of antibodies. This is not unusual
with infections.

MOST people donating blood will have antibodies--but a few may be
donating in that window period before antibodies appear.

Testing the blood supply for antibodies alone then may permit some
infectious material to get through. But as I understand it, they are
supposed to check using PCR. Erring on the side of safety, a confirmed
positive sample would be enough cause to ditch the batch.

HIV exists and it causes AIDS. Just ask David P! Right? He knows. Now
that he has died of the AIDS caused by the HIV he didn't believe in
because of fools like you.

        George M. Carter
DavidT - 30 Jan 2007 14:01 GMT
> In other words and applied to this case, you cannot say that
> (1) there is no HIV present, but (2) there are 219,000 copies of it.

What on earth are you on about now?

Did you bother to   a) read the paper, and b) understand it?

...Actually, only answer a) please Alex.. we already know your answer
to b).

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