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Hollywood - 11 Dec 2006 19:17 GMT San Francisco sees declining HIV / AIDS numbers despite rise in bareback sex and STDs. If HIV is sexually transmitted, how does one explain this contradiction.
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Death - 11 Dec 2006 20:40 GMT "Hollywood" <hollywood@arts-net.net> wrote in message
> San Francisco sees declining HIV / AIDS numbers despite rise in bareback sex > and STDs. If HIV is sexually transmitted, how does one explain this > contradiction. The numbers decline due to the faggots dying. It will take a few years for the next batch of faggots to die out. No contradiction, it is just your lack of understanding the plan to eliminate niggers and faggots.
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Dec 2006 05:11 GMT For those who want a scientific explanation, the following is the most sensible, with the obvious exception that no "pathogen" of any kind is required to generate the immune system dysfunction:
HIV-1 infection is characterized by a progressive loss of CD4+ T cells, chronic immune activation, and an increasing array of immune dysfunctions (1-3). HIV-specific T cell immune responses are particularly impaired, and defects appear earlier in disease as compared with responses directed at other microbial antigens (4-6). The basis of HIV-specific T cell immune dysfunction has not been elucidated fully, and it is likely that both HIV-specific and nonspecific mechanisms are involved (7-12). In this regard, one avenue that has not been explored fully in relation to HIV-specific immune responses is the potential role of host-mediated immunosuppressive mechanisms that might be activated in the face of persistent antigenic exposure.
CD25+CD4+ suppressor/regulatory T cells (T reg cells), a cellular subset with constitutive immunosuppressive activity first described in the context of autoimmune disorders (13, 14), are one of several cellular subsets involved in controlling inappropriate or excessive immune activation (15-18). CD25+CD4+ T reg cells have been demonstrated to suppress antigen-specific CD4+ and CD8+ T cell responses directed against tumors (19, 20) and allografts (21, 22) as well as against parasitic (23-25), bacterial (26, 27), fungal (28, 29), and viral (30-32) antigens or infections in vivo in mice. Furthermore, the immunosuppressive activity of CD25+CD4+ T reg cells has been implicated in the inability of mice to clear infection with certain pathogens (23, 29-32) or to mount effective responses to vaccination (26). Although studies on CD25+CD4+ T reg cells have been conducted primarily in murine systems, a population with a virtually identical phenotypic and functional profile has been described in humans (33). The present paper presents evidence supporting the potential role of CD25+CD4+ T reg-mediated immunosuppression in the diminution of HIV-specific CD4+ and CD8+ T responses in asymptomatic HIV-infected individuals.
Source: http://www.jem.org/cgi/content/full/200/3/331
JEM, Volume 200, Number 3, 331-343
GMCarter - 12 Dec 2006 12:41 GMT >For those who want a scientific explanation, the following is the most >sensible, with the obvious exception that no "pathogen" of any kind is >required to generate the immune system dysfunction: Wow....you can post the interesting study below and then make the claim that no pathogen is required?
Christ, your dumber than a bag of rocks. Shouldn't you be in Tehran right now?
George M. Carter
>HIV-1 infection is characterized by a progressive loss of CD4+ T cells, >chronic immune activation, and an increasing array of immune [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >JEM, Volume 200, Number 3, 331-343 Death - 12 Dec 2006 15:33 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> Wow....you can post the interesting study below and then make the > claim that no pathogen is required? > > Christ, your dumber than a bag of rocks. Shouldn't you be in Tehran > right now? What OI did you notice present that I missed?
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Dec 2006 23:59 GMT Bags of rocks are well understood scientifically - they are not the issue, nor why Mr. Carter never addresses the scientific issues. I'm only interested in the science, and that is what people like Mr. Carter cannot tolerate. For him, it seems, this is some sort of religious experience, and he sees himself as some sort of Grand Inquisitor.
However, if Mr. Carter is ever interested in the science, I propose to subject him to a great deal of foreign antigens, the common and usually non-dangerous STDs (and other common "bugs," such as EBV), and lipid peroxidation over the course of about 2 years. Towards the end of this period, he would experience all kinds of "opportunistic infections" that become dangerous, and the reason will be that his T regs are suppressing his CD4+ T cells. Simple as that, no "HIV" required, not that anyone can find it anyway.
However, if Mr. Carter wishes, he can present a formal "HIV/AIDS" hypothesis, and then I can research that, and present evidence to either support it or debunk it. At present, there is no "HIV/AIDS" hypothesis, but instead all kinds of claims, more than a few which contradict each other. Science can only go forth if a clear hypothesis is presented. I just presented one above. Clinical syndromes do not exist on a higher level than the scientific method, of course, but this is the only position someone like Mr. Carter can take at this point, whether he realizes it or not. Clincial syndromes (such as "AIDS") are meant to be used for practical purposes, until the scientific method can determine exactly what is occurring. In the case of the "HIV/AIDS" claim, with our current technology, there is no reason for scientists to not understand exactly what is occurring. And when they made the determination, they would be able to present a formal hypothesis. The problem, of course, is that their experimental findings do not match any of their notions, and so they resort to claims of a "mysterious, insidious retrovirus" that "mutates rapidly." The only thing mutating rapidly are the ludicrous claims made by the "HIV/AIDS experts" because they refuse to reconsider any underlying assumptions (ones that were never established by the use of the scientific method in the first place).
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2006 02:31 GMT >Bags of rocks are well understood scientifically - they are not the >issue, nor why Mr. Carter never addresses the scientific issues. I'm >only interested in the science, and that is what people like Mr. Carter >cannot tolerate. Au contraire, mon frere! It's the very SCIENCE that YOU posted that hoists you high on your denialist petard.
Could you BE that f.cking stupid?
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2006 02:30 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >What OI did you notice present that I missed? Who said anything about an OI?
It talks about how HIV infection results in the steady loss of T cells. That leads to an OI.
But then you're a f.cking racist and also not much brighter than that there bag o' hammers that's crushing monty's pointy head.
Death - 13 Dec 2006 03:47 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net>
> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > It talks about how HIV infection results in the steady loss of T > cells. That leads to an OI. Infected cells that are producing viral proteins will present proteins on the cell surface in association with class I MHC histocompatibility antigens.
The infected cell, like other virally-infected cells, will be destroyed by cytotoxic T cells.
Gp120 is linked to the Gp41 on the virus surface by non-covalent interactions and is frequently shed from infected cells or from virus particles.
This binds to uninfected cells via CD4 antigen. As a result, they appear to be infected and destroyed by the immune system.
There have been reports of AIDS-related cytotoxic antibodies in infected patients that may react with a specific antigen on the surface of activated but uninfected T4 cells.
And yes I am a racist, but that has what to do with what is at hand?
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2006 10:11 GMT snip
>There have been reports of AIDS-related cytotoxic antibodies in infected patients that may >react with a specific antigen on the surface of activated but uninfected T4 cells. What the f.ck are you babbling about?
>And yes I am a racist, but that has what to do with what is at hand? That, as with so many racists, you're a moron and a coward?
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