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Hollywood - 11 Dec 2006 19:17 GMT
San Francisco sees declining HIV / AIDS numbers despite rise in bareback sex
and STDs.    If HIV is sexually transmitted, how does one explain this
contradiction.

Read more at http://notaids.com.
Death - 11 Dec 2006 20:40 GMT
"Hollywood" <hollywood@arts-net.net> wrote in message

> San Francisco sees declining HIV / AIDS numbers despite rise in bareback sex
> and STDs.    If HIV is sexually transmitted, how does one explain this
> contradiction.

The numbers decline due to the faggots dying.
It will take a few years for the next batch of faggots
to die out.
No contradiction, it is just your lack of understanding
the plan to eliminate niggers and faggots.
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Dec 2006 05:11 GMT
For those who want a scientific explanation, the following is the most
sensible, with the obvious exception that no "pathogen" of any kind is
required to generate the immune system dysfunction:

HIV-1 infection is characterized by a progressive loss of CD4+ T cells,
chronic immune activation, and an increasing array of immune
dysfunctions (1-3). HIV-specific T cell immune responses are
particularly impaired, and defects appear earlier in disease as
compared with responses directed at other microbial antigens (4-6).
The basis of HIV-specific T cell immune dysfunction has not been
elucidated fully, and it is likely that both HIV-specific and
nonspecific mechanisms are involved (7-12). In this regard, one
avenue that has not been explored fully in relation to HIV-specific
immune responses is the potential role of host-mediated
immunosuppressive mechanisms that might be activated in the face of
persistent antigenic exposure.

CD25+CD4+ suppressor/regulatory T cells (T reg cells), a cellular
subset with constitutive immunosuppressive activity first described in
the context of autoimmune disorders (13, 14), are one of several
cellular subsets involved in controlling inappropriate or excessive
immune activation (15-18). CD25+CD4+ T reg cells have been
demonstrated to suppress antigen-specific CD4+ and CD8+ T cell
responses directed against tumors (19, 20) and allografts (21, 22) as
well as against parasitic (23-25), bacterial (26, 27), fungal (28,
29), and viral (30-32) antigens or infections in vivo in mice.
Furthermore, the immunosuppressive activity of CD25+CD4+ T reg cells
has been implicated in the inability of mice to clear infection with
certain pathogens (23, 29-32) or to mount effective responses to
vaccination (26). Although studies on CD25+CD4+ T reg cells have been
conducted primarily in murine systems, a population with a virtually
identical phenotypic and functional profile has been described in
humans (33). The present paper presents evidence supporting the
potential role of CD25+CD4+ T reg-mediated immunosuppression in the
diminution of HIV-specific CD4+ and CD8+ T responses in asymptomatic
HIV-infected individuals.

Source: http://www.jem.org/cgi/content/full/200/3/331

JEM, Volume 200, Number 3, 331-343
GMCarter - 12 Dec 2006 12:41 GMT
>For those who want a scientific explanation, the following is the most
>sensible, with the obvious exception that no "pathogen" of any kind is
>required to generate the immune system dysfunction:

Wow....you can post the interesting study below and then make the
claim that no pathogen is required?

Christ, your dumber than a bag of rocks. Shouldn't you be in Tehran
right now?

        George M. Carter

>HIV-1 infection is characterized by a progressive loss of CD4+ T cells,
>chronic immune activation, and an increasing array of immune
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
>JEM, Volume 200, Number 3, 331-343
Death - 12 Dec 2006 15:33 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> Wow....you can post the interesting study below and then make the
> claim that no pathogen is required?
>
> Christ, your dumber than a bag of rocks. Shouldn't you be in Tehran
> right now?

What OI did you notice present that I missed?
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Dec 2006 23:59 GMT
Bags of rocks are well understood scientifically - they are not the
issue, nor why Mr. Carter never addresses the scientific issues.  I'm
only interested in the science, and that is what people like Mr. Carter
cannot tolerate.  For him, it seems, this is some sort of religious
experience, and he sees himself as some sort of Grand Inquisitor.

However, if Mr. Carter is ever interested in the science, I propose to
subject him to a great deal of foreign antigens, the common and usually
non-dangerous STDs (and other common "bugs," such as EBV), and lipid
peroxidation over the course of about 2 years.  Towards the end of this
period, he would experience all kinds of "opportunistic infections"
that become dangerous, and the reason will be that his T regs are
suppressing his CD4+ T cells.  Simple as that, no "HIV" required, not
that anyone can find it anyway.

However, if Mr. Carter wishes, he can present a formal "HIV/AIDS"
hypothesis, and then I can research that, and present evidence to
either support it or debunk it.  At present, there is no "HIV/AIDS"
hypothesis, but instead all kinds of claims, more than a few which
contradict each other.  Science can only go forth if a clear hypothesis
is presented.  I just presented one above.  Clinical syndromes do not
exist on a higher level than the scientific method, of course, but this
is the only position someone like Mr. Carter can take at this point,
whether he realizes it or not.  Clincial syndromes (such as "AIDS") are
meant to be used for practical purposes, until the scientific method
can determine exactly what is occurring.  In the case of the "HIV/AIDS"
claim, with our current technology, there is no reason for scientists
to not understand exactly what is occurring.  And when they made the
determination, they would be able to present a formal hypothesis.  The
problem, of course, is that their experimental findings do not match
any of their notions, and so they resort to claims of a "mysterious,
insidious retrovirus" that "mutates rapidly."  The only thing mutating
rapidly are the ludicrous claims made by the "HIV/AIDS experts" because
they refuse to reconsider any underlying assumptions (ones that were
never established by the use of the scientific method in the first
place).
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2006 02:31 GMT
>Bags of rocks are well understood scientifically - they are not the
>issue, nor why Mr. Carter never addresses the scientific issues.  I'm
>only interested in the science, and that is what people like Mr. Carter
>cannot tolerate.

Au contraire, mon frere! It's the very SCIENCE that YOU posted that
hoists you high on your denialist petard.

Could you BE that f.cking stupid?
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2006 02:30 GMT
>"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>What OI did you notice present that I missed?

Who said anything about an OI?

It talks about how HIV infection results in the steady loss of T
cells. That leads to an OI.

But then you're a f.cking racist and also not much brighter than that
there bag o' hammers that's crushing monty's pointy head.
Death - 13 Dec 2006 03:47 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net>

>  " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> It talks about how HIV infection results in the steady loss of T
> cells. That leads to an OI.

Infected cells that are producing viral proteins will present proteins on the cell surface in
association with class I MHC histocompatibility antigens.

The infected cell, like other virally-infected cells, will be destroyed by cytotoxic T cells.

Gp120 is linked to the Gp41 on the virus surface by non-covalent interactions and is frequently
shed from infected cells or from virus particles.

This binds to uninfected cells via CD4 antigen. As a result, they appear to be infected and
destroyed by the immune system.

There have been reports of AIDS-related cytotoxic antibodies in infected patients that may
react with a specific antigen on the surface of activated but uninfected T4 cells.

And yes I am a racist, but that has what to do with what is at hand?
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2006 10:11 GMT
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>There have been reports of AIDS-related cytotoxic antibodies in infected patients that may
>react with a specific antigen on the surface of activated but uninfected T4 cells.

What the f.ck are you babbling about?

>And yes I am a racist, but that has what to do with what is at hand?

That, as with so many racists, you're a moron and a coward?
 
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