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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / November 2006need aids
Hi. I'll pay anyone handsomely if they give me AIDS. I'm in the Toronto area. > Hi. I'll pay anyone handsomely if they give me AIDS. I'm in the > Toronto area. WHAT is wrong with you???? There are people living with this horrible virus all over the world. Many of them are dying. What you do need is a referral to a PSYCHIATRIST. The sooner, the better off we will all be. > Hi. I'll pay anyone handsomely if they give me AIDS. I'm in the > Toronto area. What is a "bug chaser?" A bug chaser is a gay man who deliberately attempts to contract HIV by having unprotected sex with a man or group of men who are known to have the virus. What is a "gift giver?" A gift giver is an HIV positive gay man who deliberately transmits the virus, often times to bug chasers, or those willing to contract it. What are bug parties? Bug parties are sex parties often ranging from a few to as much as 30 people. Unsafe sex with every participant at the party is encouraged. There are several variations of bug parties. At some, there is one member of the "orgy" that is HIV positive. Only this individual and the host know his positive status. The remaining participants know that there is an infected person in the room, but do not know his identity. The participants then partake in a night usually filled with alcohol, drugs and of course unsafe sex. In other variations of a bug party, there is one person who is not infected with HIV, however the other participants are or may be. Every one is aware of the person who disease free. The HIV negative person then allows the infected guys to have unprotected anal sex with him. Why do people participate in bug parties? Many psychologists theorize that participation in bug parties is actually an anxiety disorder where the non-infected individuals fear getting HIV so greatly that they would rather contract it and free themselves of the anxiety of living in fear. These parties are also seen as a sort of club for those living with HIV. Infecting a HIV negative and willing participant initiates them into their world. Some people also engage in unprotected anal sex (or barebacking) as the fear for AIDS dangerously dwindles. "The Gift" from filmmaker Louise Hogarth is a documentary about gay men who purposely contract HIV. According to Rolling Stone, one character in the film admits "I was relieved. I didn't have to worry. Do I need to be careful -- not any more." Yet another willing 21-year-old regrets his choice. "I've made a terrible mistake and there's no fixing that. There is no benefit in this and that's what needs to be said." If you want "AIDS," the clinical syndrome, that is easy to create, but nobody can you give something called a "virus" that is actually the effect of certain stressors. To destroy your immune system, you need to expose yourself to a great deal of antigens and oxidative stress (other stressors too, such as UV radiation). Eat large amounts of the so called "essential fatty acids," along with cooked meat. Steamed salmon seems especially bad. Stay away from food with significant antioxidant capacity. Semen is rich in immunosuppressive PGE2, so passive anal intercourse will speed the process along. >If you want "AIDS," the clinical syndrome, that is easy to create ... Really? By all means, do share. The clinical syndrome of diseases that AIDS presents is associated with a very low CD4 count. What causes that, in your view? And what is the evidence that supports such a cause? George M. Carter Where is the evidence that low CD4 counts are in all "HIV/AIDS" patients but in nobody else? When one examines this claim, one learns how pathetic it is, as the Perth Group and others have pointed out. Cite your evidence, Mr. Carter, but I have no interest in assumptions. Science is supposed to be generated by the scientific method, and not by a priestly elite. Are you aware, sir, of the recent claim by "HIV/AIDS experts" that these cells are not destroyed but are "turned off?" Until those in charge are willing to present a formal hypothesis for "HIV/AIDS," and allow it to be sujected to intense scrutiny, there will only be failure after failure, because this "disease" is about stressors, not "pathogens." Telling people to avoid "infection" thus does not protect them from the stressors. Once the stressors do the damage, then the "opportunistic infections" can occur, the last element in the pathway, not the first. <monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message > Are you aware, sir, of the recent claim by > "HIV/AIDS experts" that these cells are not destroyed but are "turned > off?" They die, and are not replaced. >Where is the evidence that low CD4 counts are in all "HIV/AIDS" >patients but in nobody else? By all means--show us people without HIV that have low CD4 counts. What's the explanation for CD4 counts dropping to zero? GMCarter a ?crit : > >Where is the evidence that low CD4 counts are in all "HIV/AIDS" > >patients but in nobody else? > > By all means--show us people without HIV that have low CD4 counts. > > What's the explanation for CD4 counts dropping to zero? peroxynitrites! But it is too hard for you, George >GMCarter a écrit : > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >peroxynitrites! But it is too hard for you, George An hypothesis. So the questions are: does everyone with AIDS and a persistently declining CD4 count use these chemicals? And what evidence is there to suggest that these peroxynitrites cause a depletion of CD4 counts? Since it's so hard for me, I'm sure you'll enlighten everyone with your profound knowledge and insights! George M. Carter GMCarter a écrit : > >GMCarter a écrit : > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > George M. Carter Google : "aids" peroxynitrite give 50900 hits, for example : http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/25/4/597 http://ajpheart.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/289/4/H1373.pdf .... According to the classic rules of oxydoreduction, azides quickly reacts with peroxynitrites, and thus the AZT prevents well the apoptose of lymphocytes T. Its use provoked well the temporary ascent of the CD4 +. (See the Frost diagramm of nitrogen : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/8/82/Frost_azote.png ) Observe the unusual position of the azide in this diagram: it is very oxidizing at the same moment, and easily oxidized. This reaction releases very certainly nitrogen monoxide, which needs thiols ( glutathion ) to be non toxic. Unfortunately, the AZT also decreases the rate of thiols, and so appears the "resistance" to the AZT. snip >> >> What's the explanation for CD4 counts dropping to zero? >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Google : "aids" peroxynitrite give 50900 hits, for example : That's not an answer to the specific questions I asked and it's a rather poor set of search parameters. >http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/25/4/597 A truly fascinating article--thank you. It does NOT answer the question. Nor does it suggest that nitrites cause AIDS or CD4 depletion. Oxidative stress related to nitrites use may certainly inflame the situation, advancing both HIV and HHV-8 diseases concomitantly. No surprise there at all. But that does not mean peroxynitrites are the cause of AIDS. >http://ajpheart.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/289/4/H1373.pdf Also a fascinating article--thanks again. But this does not support the notion that peroxynitrites cause AIDS or result in a persistent chronic decline of CD4 counts. They note that oxidative stress is important--I agree with this. They note: "Direct HIV infection of vascular cells (most notably vascular endothelium) remains controversial (9, 11, 24), and toxicities of HIV-associated proteins (gp120 and Tat protein), increased cytokine exposures, and, more recently, toxicities of HIV drug regimens have been suspected as participants (11, 28, 31, 43)." >According to the classic rules of oxydoreduction, azides quickly reacts >with peroxynitrites, and thus the AZT prevents well the apoptose of >lymphocytes T. Its use provoked well the temporary ascent of the CD4 +. >(See the Frost diagramm of nitrogen : >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/8/82/Frost_azote.png ) AZT is not a peroxynitrite. It does have an azide group. Most people in the world today still develop AIDS long before AZT administration. >Observe the unusual position of the azide in this diagram: it is very >oxidizing at the same moment, and easily oxidized. AZT does not cause CD4 counts to decline to zero. To the contrary; as part of a regimen managing HIV disease, CD4 counts increase! >This reaction releases very certainly nitrogen monoxide, which needs >thiols ( glutathion ) to be non toxic. Unfortunately, the AZT also >decreases the rate of thiols, and so appears the "resistance" to the >AZT. I've known LOTS of people to use glutathione regenerating interventions (NAC, alpha lipoic acid, silymarin, whey) with or without AZT. AZT "resistance" arises from HIV simply mutating its reverse transcriptase. Please keep trying--at least what you post is fascinating and interesting, if utterly irrelevant to the claim that peroxynitrites cause AIDS. George M. Carter GMCarter a ?crit : > snip > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > AZT is not a peroxynitrite. It does have an azide group. Most people > in the world today still develop AIDS long before AZT administration. George, You have not understood me. AZT reacts with peroxynitrite to give dinitrogen or nitrogen monoxide. So, I agree with you, AZT has all that it is necessary to make increase temporarily the CD4 +. > >Observe the unusual position of the azide in this diagram: it is very > >oxidizing at the same moment, and easily oxidized. > > AZT does not cause CD4 counts to decline to zero. To the contrary; as > part of a regimen managing HIV disease, CD4 counts increase! It is indeed what I say > >This reaction releases very certainly nitrogen monoxide, which needs > >thiols ( glutathion ) to be non toxic. Unfortunately, the AZT also > >decreases the rate of thiols, and so appears the "resistance" to the > >AZT. > I've known LOTS of people to use glutathione regenerating > interventions (NAC, alpha lipoic acid, silymarin, whey) with or > without AZT. AZT "resistance" arises from HIV simply mutating its > reverse transcriptase. No, the most known publication which seems to demonstrate this, that of Huang and al ., is filled with contradictions. http://crystal.harvard.edu/lib-sch/HuangH-1998-Sci-282-1669.pdf You do not understand that thiols in question are endogenous. Herzenberg and al showed that the sick persons of the AIDS and having used AZT have a weak rate of endogenous thiols > Please keep trying--at least what you post is fascinating and > interesting, if utterly irrelevant to the claim that peroxynitrites > cause AIDS. But it is nevertheless what Montagnier and the Pasteur Institute proclaim today. They say that the passage by the oxydatif stress and the peroxynitrites is compulsory (that they are owed to HIV or not) > George M. Carter >> >> >> What's the explanation for CD4 counts dropping to zero? >> >> > >> >> >peroxynitrites! But it is too hard for you, George snip... >George, You have not understood me. AZT reacts with peroxynitrite to >give dinitrogen or nitrogen monoxide. So, I agree with you, AZT has all >that it is necessary to make increase temporarily the CD4 +. AZT does not cause nor has it been shown to cause AIDS. You claimed peroxynitrites are the cause of the persistent decline of CD4 cells. You have provided no evidence for this. snip >> I've known LOTS of people to use glutathione regenerating >> interventions (NAC, alpha lipoic acid, silymarin, whey) with or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >You do not understand that thiols in question are endogenous. LOL. Of course I do. What in the world are you saying? Write it in French if you prefer. But the article above has got nothing to do with the claim you made at the top. >Herzenberg and al showed that the sick persons of the AIDS and having >used AZT have a weak rate of endogenous thiols Honey, people with HIV have a lower level of intracellular reduced glutathione. That's a result of HIV. >> Please keep trying--at least what you post is fascinating and >> interesting, if utterly irrelevant to the claim that peroxynitrites [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >proclaim today. They say that the passage by the oxydatif stress and >the peroxynitrites is compulsory (that they are owed to HIV or not) I don't think so. I mean, I know Rene Olivier pretty well and that's not what they say. HIV is necessary. The oxidative stress that arises is a part of a negative feedback loop that arises. Offsetting the oxidative stress alone, however, doesn't really treat HIV disease as well as ARV--but antioxidant therapies can help to slow disease and probably help offset some ARV toxicities. George M. Carter "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > ... > I don't think so. I mean, I know Rene Olivier pretty well ... Hey Carter, you forgot to mention David Pasquiarelli. Go on, call up your genie, LOL. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Go on, call up your genie, LOL. You ARE Frodlet, aren't you? Having contributed so meaningfully to his death by forcing him to buy denialist nonsense and DNCB, you remain guilt-ridden, I guess. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You ARE Frodlet, aren't you? No Mr Mailman, I use no name other-than Death@yourdoor. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >No Mr Mailman, I use no name other-than Death@yourdoor. I'll bet that's where your mail is delivered, etc. Coward! "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > I'll bet that's where your mail is delivered, etc. All the mail I get on usenet goes to that address. I got this mail, yes? LOL, silly faggot. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> I'll bet that's where your mail is delivered, etc. >> >All the mail I get on usenet goes to that address. Oh! So you DO get postal mail to some other name or names! Liar. George M. Carter "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh! So you DO get postal mail to some other name or names! As I said, not with usenet. dance around that, lol >Liar point it out. I would be interested in seeing my lie. dance around that in your pink diaper. snip >point it out. I would be interested in seeing my lie. >dance around that in your pink diaper. Liar: >No Mr Mailman, I use no name other-than Death@yourdoor. So the mail is delivered to such a pompous name of a cowardly little bigot?? As if that is to be believed! "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > snip > >point it out. I would be interested in seeing my lie. > >dance around that in your pink diaper. > > Liar: You failed to point out my lie. What happened, did you forget? All you did do was dance around it, in your pink diaper. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >You failed to point out my lie. LOL...no I didn't. You claimed to be only known as death@yourdoor -- what a crock of hubristic crap! Dance, monkey-puppet! "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > >> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > LOL...no I didn't. You claimed to be only known as death@yourdoor -- > what a crock of hubristic crap! Name any-other that I use or just one (1) that I have ever used (other than Death). > Dance, monkey-puppet! Now you have shoved a monkey up your a.s and want it to dance!? Come on Mr Mailman, show mercy and turn that creature loose. You know monkey fleas is how hiv got started in humans. > Name any-other that I use or just one (1) that I have ever used >(other than Death). I'll leave that to you if you have the guts, dear. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > > > Name any-other that I use or just one (1) that I have ever used > >(other than Death). > > I'll leave that to you if you have the guts, dear. Why would I attempt to prove what you claim is true or not. You ran your sh.t-eater, you prove what you say is true or not. This has been requested for a week now and you have been an abysmal failure. I told you this was your chance to shine. So far, Carter has been a very dull boi. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >Why would I attempt to prove what you claim is true or not. Hahahahahaha! Oh my god. Go get a life dear, quick! Before it's over and all you have to show is the rot of your hatred and bigotry! > >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Oh my god. Go get a life dear, quick! Before it's over and all you > have to show is the rot of your hatred and bigotry! which has nothing to do with you backing up your sh.t-eater with at least one sock, just one. that should be easy for a smart faggot. you claim I use thousands of them. > "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Now you have shoved a monkey up your a.s and want it to dance!? Oh, George got you dancing too, now.... energizer monkey you are... just keep on dancing, keep on following us around.... dance.... dance.. "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > >> >> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > >> > > > Name any-other that I use or just one (1) that I have ever used > > (other than Death). snip the faggots babble. Another one that hasn't got the balls to produce what it claims. I've only asked for you to produce just one (1) sock that you say I use. You have run your cock-sucker on numerous occasions and now all you want to do is shove a monkey up your a.s. You are proof that the faggot earns its name every-day. > "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > >> >> >> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> >> >> > >> > Name any-other that I use or just one (1) that I have ever used >> > (other than Death). snip the faggots babble. Keep dancing monkey... keep on dancing... every time I post, make you dance dance dance "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > snip the faggots babble. > "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message snip the faggots babble. Keep on dancing, monkey. B/ "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > snip the faggots babble. > "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message Still dancing, huh monkey... dance "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > snip the faggots babble. > "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message snip the faggots babble. You just keep on dancing... I can make you post.... dance for me, monkey, post... B/ Death wrote: > You just keep on dancing... I can make you post.... dance for me, > monkey, post... Brian Mailman wrote: >> You just keep on dancing... I can make you post.... dance for me, >> monkey, post... Yup, I can do that, just dance dance dance..... c'mon monkey strut yo' stuff > >> You just keep on dancing... I can make you post.... dance for me, > >> monkey, post... Brian Mailman wrote: >> >> You just keep on dancing... I can make you post.... dance for me, >> >> monkey, post... Yup, just keep on making you post and post and post... dance monkey dance.... > >> >> You just keep on dancing... I can make you post.... dance for me, > >> >> monkey, post... > > Yup, just keep on making you post and post and post... dance monkey > dance.... Brian Mailman wrote: >> >> >> You just keep on dancing... I can make you post.... dance for me, >> >> >> monkey, post... >> Yup, just keep on making you post and post and post... dance monkey >> dance.... Just keep on dancin', little guy. >Oh, George got you dancing too, now.... energizer monkey you are... just >keep on dancing, keep on following us around.... dance.... dance.. Mind you, the version I'm doing is the one with the great chant from Bali..... ....and then I think, perhaps to whirl a bit!!! A pleasure to dance with you, sir. > >Oh, George got you dancing too, now.... energizer monkey you are... just > >keep on dancing, keep on following us around.... dance.... dance.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > A pleasure to dance with you, sir. Kissing up for a little ass-munching session? >Kissing up for a little ass-munching session? Aw. The so-called "Death" is jealous! "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote a faggot fantasy > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > > >Kissing up for a little ass-munching session? > > Aw. The so-called "Death" is jealous! LOL, I just asked a question. Seemed like a simple yes or no to me. > "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No Mr Mailman, I use no name other-than Death@yourdoor. Hey, monkey! DANCE. B/ "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > Hey, monkey! DANCE. Which one of my supposedly hundreds of socks are you talking to? It seems to me that you could prove just (one) of them. Be a good faggot and back-up your word instead of your bloody a.s. >"Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message >> > >> Hey, monkey! DANCE. > >Which one of my supposedly hundreds of socks are you talking to? The addlepated monkey-puppet sock! That's all of you, dear, and you're legion! "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > > >Which one of my supposedly hundreds of socks are you talking to? > > The addlepated monkey-puppet sock! That's all of you, dear, and you're > legion! That many, and you can't provide just one (1) as proof? Either your skills on the computer are piss-poor pitiful or you are just another lying faggot. Dance around that gerbil stuffer. > "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Be a good faggot and back-up your word instead of your bloody a.s. dance, dance, dance.... i pull the strings and you just keep on dancin'.... "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > > Which one of my supposedly hundreds of socks are you talking to? > > It seems to me that you could prove just (one) of them. > > > > Be a good faggot and back-up your word instead of your bloody a.s. > > .... i pull the strings '.... The only string you pull is when you remove the tampon from your bleeding a.shole. > "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The only string you pull is when you > remove the tampon from your bleeding a.shole. You want the attention, you got it.... dance, monkey.. keep dancing... B/ "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> > You want the attention, you got it.... dance, monkey.. keep dancing... Can you post a jpg of you shoving that monkey up your a.s? > "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> >> >> You want the attention, you got it.... dance, monkey.. keep dancing... >> > Can you post a jpg of you shoving that monkey up your a.s? You'd love that, huh monkey..... c'mon, dance for yer daddy... DANCE.... "Brian Mailman" > > "Brian Mailman" > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > You'd love that, huh monkey..... c'mon, dance for yer daddy... DANCE.... please quit shoving that poor little monkey up your a.s and expecting it to dance just because you have the room. > "Brian Mailman" > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > please quit shoving that poor little monkey up your a.s But li'l monkey you said that's what you wanted.... dance li'l monkey, dance... keep on dancing... every time I post, followup.... dance... "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message > But li'l monkey you said that's what you wanted.... dance li'l monkey, > dance... keep on dancing... every time I post, followup.... dance... LOL, truly an ignorant faggot. I see you can not produce enough balls to follow up on your claim that I use socks. Your childish retort to distract from that fact won't work. It has been a week now and all you have done is act the fool. You and Carter are c.nts to the nth degree. I understand now why you let other males f.ck you up the a.s. You are the poster-boi for how faggots earn their name every-day. snip >You and Carter are c.nts to the nth degree. There!! That unpleasant feeling you're experiencing? Hate! Anger!! Impotence and wretched misery!!! You know what? All that is yours. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > snip > >You and Carter are c.nts to the nth degree. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > All that is yours. Thanks, I had a good laugh out of that. I was remembering you said, I said faggot this, c.nt that, LOL > "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message >> >> But li'l monkey you said that's what you wanted.... dance li'l monkey, >> dance... keep on dancing... every time I post, followup.... dance... > > LOL, truly an ignorant faggot. Yes, you are.... and a monkey... keep on dancing.... dancing DANCING.... GMCarter a ?crit : > >> >> >> What's the explanation for CD4 counts dropping to zero? > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > AZT does not cause nor has it been shown to cause AIDS. George, is it a leitmotiv for you?? Of what are you afraid? > You claimed peroxynitrites are the cause of the persistent decline of > CD4 cells. You have provided no evidence for this. Montagnier said (in french): Enfin un des probl?mes majeurs non totalement r?solu de la pathog?n?se du Sida, reste l'explication de la mort massive des lymphocytes T4. Contrairement ? ce que l'on croyait il y a quelques ann?es, cette disparition, qui existe d?s la p?riode asymptomatique, n'est pas due ? l'infection directe des cellules par la souche virale, qui est alors peu cytopathog?ne, mais ? des m?canismes indirects touchant les cellules CD4+ non infect?es; celles-ci ont une propension ? mourir d'apoptose, comme d'ailleurs les cellules CD8+. En fait, toutes les sous-populations immunitaires sont touch?es par ce ph?nom?ne, bien que ce soient les CD4+ qui disparaissent en nombre. Un des m?diateurs de cette apoptose est l'existence d'un fort stress oxydant caract?ris? par une pr?valence de mol?cules oxydantes (radicaux libres) sur les d?fenses antioxydantes de l'organisme: ainsi le taux de glutathion oxyd? est-il tr?s ?lev?, de m?me que celui des LDL (Low density lipoproteins) oxyd?es. and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 0666481&dopt=Abstract and... 34200 hits for apoptosis peroxynitrite aids. > snip > >> I've known LOTS of people to use glutathione regenerating [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > French if you prefer. But the article above has got nothing to do with > the claim you made at the top. L'article sus-mentionn? essaye de montrer comment fonctionne la r?sistance ? l'AZT. Or, leurs interpr?tations n'ob?issent pas aux r?gles de la chimie, en particulier parce qu'ils ne tiennent absolument pas compte des liaisons hydrog?ne. Donc, en fait l'existence d'une "r?sistance au virus" n'est qu'une interpr?tation non fond?e. > >Herzenberg and al showed that the sick persons of the AIDS and having > >used AZT have a weak rate of endogenous thiols [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > well as ARV--but antioxidant therapies can help to slow disease and > probably help offset some ARV toxicities. But all of active ARV are antioxidant as well 3TC, lopinavir, and partially AZT > > George M. Carter Jean >GMCarter a écrit : > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >George, is it a leitmotiv for you?? Of what are you afraid? No. It's just a fact. AZT does NOT cause CD4 counts to decline, as you already admit. Is it a healthy substance? Far from it. It is ineffective as a monotherapy. But one of the best first line regimens--and with all limitations--is AZT/3TC/efavirenz. >> You claimed peroxynitrites are the cause of the persistent decline of >> CD4 cells. You have provided no evidence for this. > >Montagnier said (in french): Please ALWAYS put a citation. I'll presume he did say the following, probably in 1990. >Enfin un des problèmes majeurs non totalement résolu de la >pathogénèse du Sida, reste l'explication de la mort massive des >lymphocytes T4. This is less true than when he said it--but it remains an important question. > Contrairement à ce que l'on croyait il y a quelques >années, cette disparition, qui existe dès la période asymptomatique, >n'est pas due à l'infection directe des cellules par la souche virale, >qui est alors peu cytopathogène, mais à des mécanismes indirects >touchant les cellules CD4+ non infectées; celles-ci ont une propension >à mourir d'apoptose, comme d'ailleurs les cellules CD8+. Yes!! And the proximate cause of that apoptosis among uninfected cells is HIV infection. That's been my question--if not HIV, what? >En fait, >toutes les sous-populations immunitaires sont touchées par ce [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >le taux de glutathion oxydé est-il très élevé, de même que celui >des LDL (Low density lipoproteins) oxydées. Absolutely. Still an important mechanism with clear therapeutic implications. To wit, interventions like NAC, whey, alpha lipoic acid. A lot of liver damage in Hep C infection is not due to direct cytopathicity but excessive immune response and concomitant oxidative stress. Which is why I use most of those interventions to restore intracellular glutathione levels and slow disease progression. Antioxidant therapy I believe should be a PART of HIV disease care. It is not the "cure." >and > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 0666481&dopt=Abstract Lovely....but it does not support your claim. Mossalayi MD, Becherel PA, Debre P. Critical role of nitric oxide during the apoptosis of peripheral blood leukocytes from patients with AIDS. Mol Med. 1999 Dec;5(12):812-9. Molecular Immunohematology Group, Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital, Paris, France. djavad.mossalayi@umr5540.u-bordeaux2.fr BACKGROUND: Highly active antiretroviral therapies (HAART) increase the CD4(+) cell count, but complete normalization of this parameter has not been obtained in some patients. [NOTE: BUT IN MANY PATIENTS, ARV DOES RESULT IN NORMALIZATION OF CD4 COUNTS.] As oxidative stress plays an important role during human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1)-associated dementia and lymphocyte apoptosis, we asked whether the nitric oxide (NO) pathway plays a role in the in vitro survival of peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) from HIV-1(+) patients and how it correlates with peripheral CD4(+) cell levels. MATERIALS AND METHODS: PBMC were isolated from patients with AIDS and assayed for apoptosis and proliferation in the presence of various chemicals, including agonists or antagonists of the NO pathway. Data were then compared with several in vivo parameters from the same patients. RESULTS: Apoptosis of PBMC in the presence of exogenous NO is significantly higher in patients with low peripheral CD4(+) cell levels than in patients with high CD4(+) cell numbers or seronegative individuals. In addition, endogenous NO inhibition rescues cells from apoptosis in AIDS patients with low circulating CD4(+) cell numbers and helps recovery of the T cell proliferative response. NO-mediated apoptosis does not require cGMP but involves peroxynitrite generation, PARP activation, and NAD(+) depletion. CONCLUSIONS: Taken together, the data suggest the involvement of NO during the apoptosis and functional impairment of lymphocytes in patients with AIDS. >and... > >34200 hits for apoptosis peroxynitrite aids. So what? http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/medical/peroxynitrite.htm Peroxynitrite : formed by the diffusion limited reaction of superoxide with nitric oxide; may be a major mechanism of oxidative damage in the heart. If anything, this would be mopped up by SOD forms. MnSOD is disrupted by tat. What's tat? A regulatory protein that is part of the HIV replication cycle. Endogenous peroxynitrite production arising from HIV infection is a sequelae. It DOES have possible therapeutic implications, and that is important. But it does not mean they are the "cause" of AIDS. >> snip >> >> I've known LOTS of people to use glutathione regenerating [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >l'existence d'une "résistance au virus" n'est qu'une interprétation >non fondée. Bullshit. That's your wholly unsupported claim. >> >Herzenberg and al showed that the sick persons of the AIDS and having >> >used AZT have a weak rate of endogenous thiols [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >But all of active ARV are antioxidant as well 3TC, lopinavir, and >partially AZT I think they're only antioxidant to the extent that they remove the cause of the oxidative stress, HIV. They INDUCE oxidative stress (at least the nukes in some tissue-specific ways) through mitochondrial disruption and destruction. You have failed to demonstrate that "peroxynitrites" cause CD4 depletion or why this disrupted redox balance occurs with such devastating consequences. George M. Carter GMCarter a écrit : > >GMCarter a écrit : > > [quoted text clipped - 183 lines] > > George M. Carter George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the elementary school. About TAT http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13987503 The induction of the synthesis of NO by the iNOSynthase it presence of TAT explains very well by the presence of the domain RKKQRRR, which contains a maximum of arginine. The domain 20-40 contains, it, 10 cysteins. So, NO will be transported by this protein... You are so filled with the culture of the HIV that you do not see the evidence. >About TAT > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >You are so filled with the culture of the HIV that you do not see the >evidence. LOL....ah, are you telling me that tat comes from the human genome? By all means, do provide the evidence! Otherwise, the fact that HIV expresses seems rather compelling, doesn't it? George M. Carter An other link, more precise : http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2202/3/13 Background Oxidative stress has shown to contribute in the mechanisms underlying apoptotic cell death occuring in AIDS-dementia complex. Here we investigated the role of peroxynitrite in apoptosis occurring in astroglial cells incubated with supernatants of HIV-infected human primary macrophages (M/M). Results Flow cytometric analysis (FACS) of human cultured astrocytes shortly incubated with HIV-1-infected M/M supernatants showed apoptotic cell death, an effect accompanied by pronounced staining for nitrotyrosine (footprint of peroxynitrite) and by abnormal formation of malondialdehyde (MDA). Pretreatment of astrocytes with the peroxynitrite decomposition catalyst FeTMPS antagonized HIV-related astrocytic apoptosis, MDA formation and nitrotyrosine staining. Conclusions Taken together, our results suggest that inibition of peroxynitrite leads to protection against peroxidative stress accompanying HIV-related apoptosis of astrocytes. Overall results support the role of peroxynitrite in HIV-related programmed death of astrocytes and suggest the use of peroxynitrite decomposition catalyst to counteract HIV-1-related neurological disorders. >An other link, more precise : > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >astroglial cells incubated with supernatants of HIV-infected human >primary macrophages (M/M). Utterly agree. No trouble here. You see where it says the OS arises from HIV infecting M/M? "John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the elementary school. Go ahead Carter, cypher. Explain you went to Oxford and swim in a cee-ment pond. Oh goodie, grits and box-wood stew, yummy. >"John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message >> >> >George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the >elementary school. Well, of course, we all await your erudition with bated breath! I'm sure "c.nt" and "Faggot" will be your next comments to convince everyone of your profound knowledge of chemistry! > >"John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message > >> >> > >George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the > >elementary school. > Well, of course, we all await your erudition with bated breath! > > I'm sure "c.nt" and "Faggot" will be your next comments to convince > everyone of your profound knowledge of chemistry! You're sure huh? Well lets sit back and see what John has to say about his profound knowledge of chemistry. >> >"John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >You're sure huh? Well lets sit back and see what John has to say >about his profound knowledge of chemistry. Sure. And I'm sure you'll chime in as by inference, you too have a profound knowledge of chemistry! Correct? "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sure. And I'm sure you'll chime in as by inference, You're sure, LOL, yet again huh Carter? That is 3 times in a row you have been full of sh.t. But you danced away from the topic didn't you? Be sure to read it correctly this time "John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the elementary school. Go ahead Carter, cypher. Explain you went to Oxford and swim in a cee-ment pond. Oh goodie, grits and box-wood stew, yummy. snip >You're sure, LOL, yet again huh Carter? That is 3 times in a row you have >been full of sh.t. > >But you danced away from the topic didn't you? LOL....no. There was nothing added to the topic. Just your delusional twitchings! Silly dingus. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > LOL....no. There was nothing added to the topic. Just your delusional > twitchings! Are you sure, again ? >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> LOL....no. There was nothing added to the topic. Just your delusional >> twitchings! >> >Are you sure, again ? Are you finding healing for your misery? "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > >> > >Are you sure, again ? > > Are you finding healing for your misery? Are you sure I need healing? Send me a jar of your best box-wood voo-doo cure-all. Mail it to any of my supposedly socks. A clever faggot like you can handle that, I'm sure, LOL >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >Are you sure I need healing? Absolutely! It's quite clear. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Absolutely! It's quite clear. Are you as sure about this as you were I questioned your chemistry knowledge? >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >Are you as sure about this as you were I questioned your chemistry knowledge? LOL...yes, of course. Your question and this question are both non sequitur. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > LOL...yes, of course. Your question and this question are both non > sequitur. "John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the elementary school. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the >elementary school. That's what he thinks. So what? Is your knowledge of chemistry so profound? I notice that he ran away, in any event. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > >"John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message > >> >> > >George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the > >elementary school. > > That's what he thinks. So what? So what? LOL, you accused me of saying that. Wrong again sperm sponge. > Is your knowledge of chemistry so profound? No, john seems to know more about it than I. > I notice that he ran away, in any event. LOL, faggot fantasy. He hasn't posted today so to you, he ran away. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >So what? LOL, you accused me of saying that. You repeated it. Why? Unless you agreed with it. Taking your Rove 101 lessons again? "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > You repeated it. Why? Unless you agreed with it. > > Taking your Rove 101 lessons again? I did not repeat it. My comment was for you to explain to John that you went to Oxford and swam in a cee-ment pond. If dementia has affected you that badly, I'll be happy to repost what I said in the original .......... I'll do it now. Poor Carter, caught in another lie. " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > "John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message > > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh goodie, grits and box-wood stew, yummy. >Poor Carter, caught in another lie. LOL...blame others for what you do. RoveDance II! Wow. Hope you find a life, kiddo. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Wow. Hope you find a life, kiddo. I'll let this stand on its own merit: "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > You repeated it. Why? Unless you agreed with it. > > Taking your Rove 101 lessons again? I did not repeat it. My comment was for you to explain to John that you went to Oxford and swam in a cee-ment pond. If dementia has affected you that badly, I'll be happy to repost what I said in the original .......... I'll do it now. Poor Carter, caught in another lie. " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > "John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> wrote in message > > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh goodie, grits and box-wood stew, yummy. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I'll let this stand on its own merit: By all means. So why are you so fascinated by all things gay? Why are you here? "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > By all means. By every means: you have run back to the closet and hid. You still have no shown where I use just one (1) sock. You still have not reposted the lie you accuse me of. It matters little to me. I just wanted to show that you had no balls and that your creditability was sh.t. Yeah, I know blah blah...is all you have, but all your babble won't hide the obvious, you are a sh.t-eating faggot and a shining example of why faggots earn their name every-day. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> By all means. >> >By every means: you have run back to the closet and hid. lol "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > lol my sentiments exactly. the ACT-UP rote rot in use: deny deny deny very good Carter. now do your impression of a butt-plug GMCarter a écrit : > On 13 Nov 2006 21:33:18 -0800, "John_fr" <j.umber@ac-nancy-metz.fr> snip snip > You have failed to demonstrate that "peroxynitrites" cause CD4 > depletion or why this disrupted redox balance occurs with such > devastating consequences. > > George M. Carter George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the elementary school. snip >George, Your knowledge of the chemistry is really of the level of the >elementary school. Three for three! Three blind mice have offered this as their best riposte. Kinda sad, really. Try again! "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > Three for three! Three blind mice have offered this as their best > riposte. You read the post wrong, but now it is some-one elses fault? There are no blind mice , just one ignorant rat, GMCarter >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You read the post wrong, but now it is some-one elses fault? >There are no blind mice , just one ignorant rat, Rats are often much nicer than you, my troubled little peach. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rats are often much nicer than you, my troubled little peach. Is that your gerbil stuffing way of saying you f.cked up again? Are you sure!? LOL >Are you sure!? LOL Yes. I'm sure. You're a sad mess twirling about in a tornado of hate. What's the use of all that? To you I mean? Let alone that is unpleasant to be around you. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > Yes. I'm sure. You were also sure I used thousands of socks but to date you have provided not one (1) example to back up that accusation. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> Yes. I'm sure. > >You were also sure I used thousands of socks but to date you have provided >not one (1) example to back up that accusation. I'm sure you're in desperate need of healing for the misery of hate you boil in and that you're an anonymous coward. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm sure you're in desperate need of healing for the misery of hate > you boil in and that you're an anonymous coward. Oh, this time you are sure. How can some-one with thousands of socks be anonymous? Are you still sure, LOL >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >Oh, this time you are sure. Yes, I am. It's quite clear you need help. The disease of bigotry and hate and the suffering that it causes you are enormous. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> > >> " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yes, I am. It's quite clear you need help. I laugh at you for letting another male f.ck you in the a.s and you think I need help? Your thought process is as sick as your behavior. I also note that you failed to produce just one (1) of my socks as proof for your accusation. You were sure about that too. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I laugh at you for letting another male f.ck you in the a.s >and you think I need help? Why absolutely! There is nothing wrong with anal sex. There IS something wrong with you. You think that it is evil or bad. Step one on the road to your own personal hell. Darling, I hope you find healing! "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > Why absolutely! There is nothing wrong with anal sex. A shit4brains is the only one who would say that. Anal sex can result in a variety of illnesses. I will mention only the more serious. A rare but life-threatening complication of anal sex is rupture of the rectum, resulting in a severe bacterial infection. This can occur with anal sex and with the insertion of various objects into the rectum. Care must be taken to avoid serious injury to the area. Most of the other illnesses due to anal sex involve infections as well. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is the virus that causes AIDS. Anal sex with someone who carries HIV poses a high risk for transmission of the virus. Homosexual men in the United States have HIV at a higher rate than heterosexual men, but this is not true outside the Western world. The first people who contracted HIV in the United States probably were homosexual men, and they first transmitted the virus to other homosexual men. Anal sex, mainly because of the trauma that can occur with it, allowed for the efficient transmission of HIV among these men. It was only later that the virus began to spread to women and heterosexual men. Anal sex without a condom between a woman and a man will transmit HIV as efficiently as between two men. Other viruses can be transmitted through anal sex quite easily. These include hepatitis B and hepatitis C, which cause liver disease. Possibly Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), which causes mono, and cytomegalovirus (CMV) can also be transmitted in this way. Another cause of liver disease is the hepatitis A virus. It is transmitted through contact with the feces of someone with the virus, so anal sex may increase the risk of acquiring that infection. In addition to these organisms, a variety of infections can be transmitted that predominantly cause infection in the rectum and colon. Some refer to these diseases as "gay-bowel syndrome," but that is a misnomer because any recipient of anal sex (including heterosexual women) can develop such an infection. The syndrome includes diarrhea, fever and lower abdominal pain. Various infections can cause these symptoms, including gonorrhea, chlamydia, lymphogranuloma venereum, shigella (a cause of dysentery) and herpes. An infection such as this would be termed "proctitis," or rectal infection. When I see a patient with signs and symptoms of proctitis, and the patient is a recipient of anal sex, I consider infection to be highly likely. >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Anal sex can result in a variety of illnesses. So can oral and vaginal sex. So can eating too much high fat or trans fat foods. So can breathing near someone. These aren't arguments. Merely more stellar examples of the terrible agony that you live in! so sorry for you, dear. "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > So can eating too much high fat or trans fat foods. That would be the ass-munching you admitted to? Licking the used a.shole of a fat tranny? >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> So can eating too much high fat or trans fat foods. >> >That would be the ass-munching you admitted to? LOL. Have you EVER had sex? Or are you still at that awkward pimply stage? "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > LOL. Have you EVER had sex? What does that have to do with you licking the used a.shole of a fat tranny? >What does that have to do with me licking the used >a.shole of anyone who will let me. Gosh. Did that somehow get changed? I guess you're still a virgin |
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