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GMCarter - 20 Oct 2006 11:54 GMT
Funny how right wingers are so often caught with their bullshit
eventually. What hypocrites!!

Now, it's Poland's turn.

        George M. Carter

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http://gaycitynews.com/gcn_542/polandsantigaypremier.html
Poland’s Anti-Gay Premier Outed

But the Kaczynski twins’ government continues to spew homophobic hate

By DOUG IRELAND

Poland’s homophobic Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski—the identical
twin brother of Polish President Lech Kaczynski—was outed as a
homosexual in major Polish media last week in the midst of a political
crisis that threatened to cause his government’s downfall.

Poland’s second-most important newspaper, Rzeczpolita, published
documents—some only recently declassified, and some that were
leaked—from the files of the Polish Secret Service that discussed
Prime Minister Kaczynski’s homosexuality. As part of an investigation,
begun in 1992, of right-wing political parties that, the documents
said, “could threaten democracy,” a Secret Service department then
headed by Colonel Jan Lesiak reported, “It is advisable to establish
if Jaroslaw Kaczynski remains in a long-term homosexual relationship
and, if so, who his partner is.”

Jaroslaw Kaczynski was appointed prime minister in July 2006 by his
brother, the president. Both Kaczynski brothers, known as the
“Terrible Twins,” are notorious for their public homophobia, and
Jaroslaw has proposed banning gays from teaching in the schools.

“Now all Poland knows that the Polish Secret Service was looking for
Jaroslaw Kaczynski’s boyfriend,” a noted gay activist, Lukasz Palucki,
one of the organizers of this year’s successful Warsaw Gay Pride
March, told Gay City News from Warsaw.

The Secret Service documents discussing the current prime minister’s
homosexuality were later published by the country’s leading daily,
Wyborcza Gazeta, as well. TVN24, a commercial TV network, also ran a
report.

Then, also last week, former President Lech Walesa repeated on Polish
television a crack about the current prime minister’s homosexuality
that he had made 13 years before—when, in an interview on the Polish
public TV network TVP1, he had said that the Kaczynski twins had come
to his birthday party, and that “Lech came with his wife and Jaroslaw
came with his husband.”

On October 14, appearing on Polish commercial TV network TVN’s “Teraz
My” program, Walesa—asked by the program’s anchors, Tomasz Sekielski
and Andrzej Morozowski, about what he had said about Jaroslaw in the
much earlier broadcast, reiterated his remark.

“Jaroslaw Kaczynski was also on the same TVN broadcast this time, but
he was very quiet!” Palucki told Gay City News.

This double outing of Jaroslaw Kaczynski came just as the one-year-old
Kaczynski government was in the middle of a political crisis that
began last month, when the prime minister suddenly ousted the
ultra-nationalist Samoobrona (Self Defense) Party—and its leader,
Deputy Prime Minister and Agriculture Minister Andrzej Lepper—from the
three-party governing coalition led by the Kaczynskis’ PiS (Law and
Justice) Party.

Without the Self Defense Party, the government no longer had the votes
to defeat a no-confidence motion in Parliament, which, if it passed,
would have meant new elections. However, after secret negotiations,
this past Monday Lepper was re-appointed to his previous posts and
Self Defense rejoined the restored governing coalition, which is now
only one vote short of a parliamentary majority. The hush-hush deal
with Lepper’s Self-Defense appears to have forestalled snap elections
that had been expected this coming November.

Following corruption scandals, however, the Kaczynski government’s
popularity has fallen to an all-time low in the polls, and their
ultra-conservative coalition is now trailing the main opposition
party, Civic Platform, which is also conservative, though much less
homophobic.

Following the revelations of the Secret Service documents, knowledge
of the prime minister’s homosexuality was so widespread that
politicians were joking about it in public. At a press conference
during the political crisis, ousted Deputy Prime Minister Lepper told
a press conference, “I wanted to see Mr. Kaczynski, but he had no time
for me. Who am I? Some girl who would like to date him? If he dates
any!” Lepper’s pregnant jab at the prime minister’s sexuality caused
an outburst of laughter among the assembled journalists.

Up until last week, “Polish media haven’t been very open about
Jaroslaw Kaczynski’s sexuality,” gay journalist Michal Rolecki, of the
Web site Gay Poland.pl, told Gay City News from Warsaw. “I have heard
it said there is a ‘conspiracy of indulgent silence.’ Some allusions
have appeared now and then.”

For example, Rolecki related, “earlier this year, the well-known
Polish journalist Mikolaj Kunica recorded an interview with Wojciech
Jasinki, a government minister and long-time friend of Jaroslaw, for
TVP-1’s Wiadomosc news program. Kunica was widely reported in the
Polish press to have asked about their social life when they were
younger. Jasinki said they liked to have a party—to dance and drink.
Kunica then asked if they dated girls, to which Jasinki replied that
he did, but ‘Jaroslaw—never.’”

This segment of the interview was never broadcast. Marzena Paczuska,
editor of the Wiadomosc program, ordered the segment on girls to be
cut, but Kunica refused and was supported by Robert Kozak, the head of
news at TVP-1, who overruled the decision. The matter then went to
Maciej Grzywaczewski, the head of TVP-1, who supported Paczuska’s
original decision. He then suspended Kunica and subsequently fired
him, saying the material was ‘aggressive, full of emotion and
anti-governmental.’”

Still, Rolecki told Gay City News, Jaroslaw Kaczynski’s homosexuality
“has been quite obvious to the general public ever since Walesa’s
original televised comment. But you must bear in mind that sex still
remains a considerable taboo in Catholic Poland. Some three-quarters
of Poles say that that sexuality is a private thing not to be
discussed in public. For example, we have never had a sex scandal
related to government, even though everyone knows that the president
and the home secretary regularly visit female brothels.”

Prime Minister Kaczynski, 56, is a bachelor who still lives with his
mother in a house filled with an extraordinarily large number of
cats—and The Times of London reported after his brother appointed him
prime minister that “the views of the new prime minister and the
president are so similar that they often finish each other’s
sentences. The only way to distinguish them is by a small mole to the
left of Lech Kaczynski’s nose and the cat hairs on Jaroslav
Kaczynski’s clothes.”

Jaroslaw is considered the craftier of the two brothers, and the
dominant political strategist.

Known as “the Lesiak files,” the Secret Service documents discussing
the current prime minister’s homosexuality date from a time when the
Polish Secret Service was the direct heir of the old Communist secret
police, and its personnel in the early ‘90s still consisted largely of
people who had worked in the agency prior to the fall of the Communist
regime in 1989. Walesa, who served as president from 1990 to 1995, was
in office during these investigations of political parties commanded
by Colonel Lesiak—which, Rolecki said, “took place when Walesa decided
to get rid of the Kaczynski brothers, who had been his counselors,
from the presidential palace because they uninterruptedly plotted and
set his other advisers against one another.”

“What remains unclear,” Rolecki added, “is who ordered the
investigation and infiltration of the right-wing political parties,”
which the Lesiak files indicated “could be planning a coup d’etat.”

“Was it Walesa?” asked Rolecki, “who was well aware of how unstable
the Polish right wing is and how authoritarian the Kaczynskis can be?
Was it the government at the time, which was a centrist government? Or
was it just a natural course of events as the Secret Service relied on
ex-Communist personnel who naturally felt the urge to spy on the right
wing? I’m afraid we’ll have to wait until all relevant documents are
declassified for the full answer.”

Even as Prime Minister Kaczynski’s homosexuality was being outed in
the press and on television, senior officials of his government
continued to spew homo-hate.

On October 14, the vice minister of education, Miroslaw Orzechowski,
was asked by an interviewer for the daily Wyborcza Gazeta about the
firing of Miroslaw Sielatycki, director of the Polish National Teacher
Training Center, dismissed in June for having distributed to schools a
manual on how to teach tolerance, prepared by the Council of Europe
(of which Poland is a member country). The manual included material on
non-discrimination against homosexuals and the rights of same-sex
couples.

“This is the most drastic form of lies—that two individuals of the
same sex can have a relationship,” Orzechowski told the newspaper. “I
mean, it does happen, but you cannot legalize it because it ruins our
civilization.”

Asked by the interviewer, “Where is the space, then, for tolerance of
difference?” the vice minister replied, “Oh, the world used to manage
without tolerance and it will keep on going without it. We cannot have
a couple of maniacs deciding the fate of our civilization.”

The manuals, which included teaching tolerance of homosexuality, he
said, “have been locked up, and will not be distributed any further.”

In a separate interview four days earlier, the new head of the
National Teacher Training Center, Teresa Lecka, had told Wyborcza
Gazeta, “The school’s role is to teach the distinction between good
and evil, between beauty and ugliness… The school must show the drama,
the emptiness, and the degeneration that homosexual practices lead to…
Active homosexuality is a practice that is contrary to human nature.
Polish schools should prefer good patterns of behavior that lead to
family relationships.”

Teaching about homosexuality, she said, must show “the limits of
freedom for young people.”

Both these senior Polish officials were appointed by the Kaczynzskis’
ultra-homophobic minister of education, Roman Giertych, head of the
Catholic nationalist, gay-baiting, anti-Semitic League of Polish
Families party, the third member of the Kaczynskis’ right-wing
governing coalition.

Despite the officially encouraged climate of homophobia in Poland, the
country’s gays continue to assert their identity. For example,
Poland’s first-ever Queer Film Festival, entitled “A Million Different
Loves”—a weeklong event that includes a conference on “The Politics of
Body and Desire in Audio-Visual Culture”—opens in the city of Lodz on
October 25. Gay-themed films from Turkey, Belgium, France, Germany,
Norway, the Philippines, Canada, Austria, Hungary, and the U.S. will
be among those shown at the festival, which is being held in
cooperation with gay groups in Leipzig, Germany.
Dildeaux - 21 Oct 2006 06:11 GMT
> Funny how right wingers are so often caught with their bullshit
> eventually. What hypocrites!!
>
> Now, it's Poland's turn.

> Poland's homophobic Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski-the identical
> twin brother of Polish President Lech Kaczynski-was outed as a
> homosexual in major

Just wait until George W. Bush and his butt-buddy Carl Rove
are outed - not that unusual when you consider Richard Nixon
and his butt-buddy Bebe Rebozo. But maybe we'll finally
why Bush earned his college nickname "Lips"...
GMCarter - 21 Oct 2006 10:23 GMT
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>Just wait until George W. Bush and his butt-buddy Carl Rove
>are outed - not that unusual when you consider Richard Nixon
>and his butt-buddy Bebe Rebozo. But maybe we'll finally
>why Bush earned his college nickname "Lips"...

All I can say to that, to the horrible images conjured, is "ewg!!"

Waterboarding is so much kinder...but it does lend ideas to a really
incredible version of the Aristocrats....
Dildeaux - 21 Oct 2006 17:27 GMT
> snip
>>Just wait until George W. Bush and his butt-buddy Carl Rove
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Waterboarding is so much kinder...but it does lend ideas to a really
> incredible version of the Aristocrats....

I saw The Flags of Our Fathers yesterday - Directed by Clint Eastwood -
a direct slap to George W Bush and his chickenhawk NeoCons came
in a comment calling warmongers who have never been in battle "jackasses".

Now if I called George W a "cocksucker", would I need to worry about
being labeled a "terrorist" and ending up in a cage at Gitmo?
GMCarter - 22 Oct 2006 11:29 GMT
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>I saw The Flags of Our Fathers yesterday - Directed by Clint Eastwood -
>a direct slap to George W Bush and his chickenhawk NeoCons came
>in a comment calling warmongers who have never been in battle "jackasses".
>
>Now if I called George W a "cocksucker", would I need to worry about
>being labeled a "terrorist" and ending up in a cage at Gitmo?

No matter how much we might disagree on HIV, here I will only join you
and say that he is a liar, a thief and a murderer. He is a fool. He is
surrounded by completely evil, hypocritical people like Cheney,
Rumsfeld, Rove and Rice. He represents the single worst administration
in US history.

And if that gets us declared "enemy combatants" after those sick
stupid motherf..kers killed habeas corpus, well, then we can continue
the HIV debate through the al fresco open-air cages of Gitmo.

Once they declare martial law to retain power, though, we might want
to think about leaving.

It is happening HERE. And every morning I hope to wake up to a little
great news like Dick Cheney died of a heart attack, preferablyl in
really horrible pain. And that now, if there is any life after death,
he's getting to meet, greet and experience all the pain and suffering
that miserable low life piece of sh.t has caused in this world.

        George M. Carter
GMCarter - 22 Oct 2006 13:48 GMT
snip
>It is happening HERE. And every morning I hope to wake up to a little
>great news like Dick Cheney died of a heart attack, preferablyl in
>really horrible pain. And that now, if there is any life after death,
>he's getting to meet, greet and experience all the pain and suffering
>that miserable low life piece of sh.t has caused in this world.

Having said this, I think this is one of the things I also resent
about this administration--the amount of anger it induces in me. The
stupidity, venality, cruelty and corruption, etc.

I understand and accept the anger I have. And I hope to do what I can
to understand it. One thing I know is that to NOT be like them, I will
not resort to violence as the means to addressing it.

But I will also not be silent about the evil they commit.

However, my biggest hope is NOT for Cheney or Rove or any of the rest
to suffer. I don't even need to: suffering is part of life and we all
suffer.

My deepest and most fundamental wish is that they experience some kind
of genuine spiritual awakening. And that they recognize the evil they
have been committing not only to no good end but to a world LESS
secure, more dangerous and with deepening suffering and death as a
direct result of their policies.

And that they spend the rest of a long and productive life correcting
the errors and atoning in practical, useful ways.

Utterly ridiculous? And only a miracle would produce anything of the
sort I fear. No less that "Death" would recognize his bigotry as
pointless and let it go.

But it is my deepest wish.

        George M. Carter
Brian Mailman - 22 Oct 2006 18:56 GMT
> It is happening HERE. And every morning I hope to wake up to a little
> great news like Dick Cheney died of a heart attack,

You're assuming a fact not in evidence, counselor.

B/
GMCarter - 23 Oct 2006 00:58 GMT
>> It is happening HERE. And every morning I hope to wake up to a little
>> great news like Dick Cheney died of a heart attack,
>
>You're assuming a fact not in evidence, counselor.

I'm objectionable, yer honor!
Death - 21 Oct 2006 17:54 GMT
"Dildeaux" <dildeaux@toys.com> wrote in message

> Just wait until George W. Bush and his butt-buddy Carl Rove
> are outed - not that unusual when you consider Richard Nixon
> and his butt-buddy Bebe Rebozo. But maybe we'll finally
> why Bush earned his college nickname "Lips"...

Academia Signs Up To
Track Down Dissent
By Chris Floyd
10-17-6

Why is the United States government spending millions of dollars to track down critics of
George W. Bush in the press? And why have major American universities agreed to put this
technology of tyranny into the state's hands?

   At the most basic level, of course, both questions are easily answered: 1) Power. 2) Money.
The Bush administration wants to be able to root out - and counteract - any dissenting noises
that might put a crimp in its ongoing crusade for "full spectrum dominance" of global affairs,
while the august institutions of higher learning involved - the universities of Cornell,
Pittsburgh and Utah - crave the federal green that keeps them in clover.

   But beyond these grubby realities, there are many other disturbing aspects of this new
program - which is itself only part of a much broader penetration of American academia by the
Department of Homeland Security.

   As with so many of the Bush measures that have quietly stripped away America's liberties,
this one too is beginning with a whimper, not a bang: a modest $2.4 Department of Homeland
Security million grant to develop "sentiment analysis" software that will allow the
government's "security organs" to sift millions of articles for "negative opinions of the
United States or its leaders in newspapers and other publications overseas," as the New York
Times reported earlier this month. Such negative opinions must be caught and catalogued because
they could pose "potential threats to the nation," security apparatchiks told the Times.

   This hydra-headed snooping program is based on "information extraction," which, as a
chipper PR piece from Cornell tells us, is a process by which "computers scan text to find
meaning in natural language," rather than the rigid literalism ordinarily demanded by silicon
cogitators. Under the gentle tutelage of Homeland Security, the universities "will use
machine-learning algorithms to give computers examples of text expressing both fact and opinion
and teach them to tell the difference," says the Cornell blurb.

   At this point, the ancient and ever-pertinent question of Pontius Pilate comes to mind:
"What is truth?" Of course, Pilate, being a devotee of what George W. Bush likes to call "the
path of action," gave the answer to his philosophical inquiry in brute physical form: truth is
whatever the empire says it is - so take this Galilean rabble-rouser out and crucify him
already. In like manner, it will certainly be the government "security organs" who ultimately
determine the criteria for what is fact and what is opinion - and whether the latter is
positive or negative, perhaps even a candidate for the Bush-Pilate "path."

   The academics will be trying out the Sentiment Analysis program (let's call it SAP, for
short) on four main clusters of articles from 2001-2002, the Times reports. These include:
Bush's famous declaration of an "axis of evil" threatening the world; the treatment of his
Terror War captives in Guantanamo Bay; global warming; and the failed Bush-backed bid to topple
Venezuela's Hugo Chavez in a coup - all of them issues on which the Bush administration was at
odds with much of the world, and large swathes of American opinion as well. Obviously, such
issues are fertile fields for terrorist thought-crimes to be snagged and tagged by SAP.

   For those with concerns about civil liberties, Cornell assures us that SAP will be limited
strictly to foreign publications. Oh, really? Hands up out there, everyone who believes that
this technology will not be used to ferret out "potential threats to the nation" arising in the
Homeland press as well. After all, the Unitary Executive Decider-in-Chief has already decided
that the nation's iron-clad laws against warrantless surveillance of American citizens can be
swept aside by his "inherent powers" if he decides it's necessary. Why should he bother with
any petty restrictions on a press-monitoring program? And wouldn't dissension within the ranks
of the volk itself actually be more threatening to government policy than the grumbling of
malcontents overseas?

   II.

   Then again, what is so sinister about the plan, exactly? Surely every government is eager
to read its notices in the press, foreign and domestic. Surely the Bush administration already
has a myriad of minions in the White House, the CIA, the NSA, the DIA and embassies around the
world doing just that. True enough - and there's the rub. For if they are already tracking and
sifting media sentiment to a fare-thee-well, why do they need SAP's $2.4 million software?

   Here we see the same principle that lies behind Bush's illegal warrantless surveillance
program. Long-established law - the FISA court - already provides Bush with the power to spy on
anyone even remotely suspected of a connection to terrorism - and to do so immediately, without
waiting a single instant or jumping through a single bureaucratic hoop to get the operation
going. So who is he actually using his warrantless surveillance program against? It can't be
suspected terrorists; they are already covered by existing law. There are only two conclusions
to be drawn from this strange state of affairs: 1) The Bush regime is using the program to spy
on people other than suspected terrorists. 2) It is using the program to establish the
principle that presidential power cannot be restrained by law in any area that the president
arbitrarily designates a "matter of national security." These conclusions are not mutually
exclusive, of course.

   Likewise, we must ask: who is the "Sentiment Analysis" program aimed at? It can't be the
major news and opinion drivers in the international and national media; these are already being
monitored. And it hardly requires a deus ex machina to determine the political sentiment behind
news stories and opinion pieces. Why then would you need multimillion-dollar computer
whizbangery to tell you whether a story casts a favorable or critical light on Bush and his
policies? And how could critical "sentiment" in the kinds of stories that Cornell, Pitt and
Utah are examining in their tests pose any kind of "potential threat" to the nation? Again,
there must be something else behind the program because, as with warrantless surveillance, it
is clearly redundant on its face.

   The key to this conundrum mostly likely lies in the envisioned scope of the program:
"millions of articles" to be processed for "sentiment analysis." This denotes a fishing
expedition that goes far beyond the "publicly available material, primarily news reports and
editorials from English-language newspapers worldwide" that Claire Cardie, Cornell's lead
researcher on SAP, says that her team will be using in developing the software. The target of
such a scope cannot be simply the English-language foreign press, or the foreign press as a
whole, or indeed, every newspaper in the world, from Pyongyang to Peoria. It must also be aimed
at other modes of textual communication, in print and online.

   In fact, later in the PR blurb, Cardie rather gives the game away when, seeking to allay
"fears about invasions of privacy" raised by the research, she notes that "the techniques would
have to be changed considerably to work on documents like e-mails." Yes; and an
intercontinental ballistic missile is just a big, shiny, harmless rocket - until you load it
with a nuclear weapon and fire it at somebody. No doubt Cardie is simply a dedicated scientist,
focused on the technical problem at hand, and her naivetè on this point is genuine; but once
you have built a platform that can churn through millions of pieces of text to uncover
criticism and dissent - however the organs deign to define these concepts - then this
technology can certainly be adapted to launch all-encompassing "sentiment analysis" against any
form of written communication you please.

   Nor is this program being developed in isolation. It is part of a larger Homeland Security
push "to conduct research on advanced methods for information analysis and to develop
computational technologies that contribute to securing the homeland," as a DHS press release
puts it, in announcing the formation of yet another university consortium. This group - led by
Rutgers, and including the University of Southern California, the University of Illinois and,
once again, Pitt - has pulled down a whopping $10.2 million to "identify common patterns from
numerous sources of information" that "may be indicative of" - what else? - "potential threats
to the nation."

   This research program will draw on such areas as "knowledge representation, uncertainty
quantification, high-performance computing architectures" - and our old friends, information
extraction and natural language processing. It is in fact closely associated with the
"sentiment analysis" work being done by the Cornell group - and note that the Rutgers
consortium is designing its info-gobbling software to deal with "numerous sources" of
information. Do we sense some synergy going on here?

   III.

   The Cornell and Rutgers groups are two of four "University Affiliate Centers" thus far
established by Homeland Security. All of the consortiums are geared toward the amassing,
storing and analysis of unimaginably vast amounts of information, gathered relentlessly from a
multitude of sources and formats. They are in turn just part of a still-larger panorama of
"data mining" programs being developed - or already in use - by the security organs.

   These include the "Analysis, Dissemination, Visualization, Insight and Semantic
Enhancement" (ADVISE) program, which can rip and read mountains of open source data - such as
web sites and databases, as analyst Michael Hampton reports. Two Democratic Congressmen, David
Obey of Wisconsin and Martin Slabo of Minnesota, have asked the General Accounting Office to
investigate the program for possible intrusions on privacy rights, Hampton notes.

   While Congressional concern for privacy is all well and good, we know that it means nothing
to the Unitary Executive. Earlier this month, Bush used his "signing statement" magic wand to
wave away a direct Congressional mandate for reports on whether Homeland Security is obeying
privacy laws in compiling its secret "watch lists," which increasingly control more and more
aspects of American life, including "who gets on planes, who gets government jobs, who gets
employed," as Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center,
told AP. Using the by-now ritualistic language of presidential dictatorship, Bush's statement
said he would ignore Congress's direct order and delay, alter or simply quash the privacy
reports as he saw fit.

   You don't need a machine-learning algorithm or $2.4 million worth of Ivy League software to
connect the dots here. The Bush administration already has spyware devouring reams of private
information in every direction. It is now paying top universities millions of dollars to refine
this data into actionable intelligence - including the automated discernment and tracking of
dissent against administration policies and criticism of the president. Bush has openly
declared that he has no intention of obeying privacy laws - or any other laws safeguarding the
Constitutional rights of American citizens - if he doesn't want to.

   And if that's not sinister enough for you, consider this: on Tuesday George W. Bush signed
the "Military Commissions Act," which states that he can arbitrarily declare anyone - yes,
American citizens included - an "unlawful enemy combatant" for any action that he arbitrarily
decides constitutes "material support" to terrorists. He can imprison these "UECs" without
charge or trial, for the duration of the "War on Terror," which he and Dick Cheney have already
assured us will not end "in our lifetime." He can subject these captives to "strenuous
interrogation techniques" that by any sane reckoning constitute torture - but this same Act
allows Bush himself to determine what is legally torture and what is not, except in the most
extreme cases, such as rape and deliberate murder.

   A regime openly committed to wielding arbitrary power over the life and liberty of every
person on earth is now equipping itself with intrusive technology beyond the wildest dreams of
the most totalitarian states in history. And some of the nation's most respected educational
institutions - proud bastions of civilization and enlightenment - are helping them do it. It is
simply impossible that such a system will not be mightily abused.

   And for all you SAP machines out there: that conclusion is a fact, not an opinion.

   Chris Floyd is an American journalist. His work has appeared in print and online in venues
all over the world, including The Nation, Counterpunch, Columbia Journalism Review, the
Christian Science Monitor, Il Manifesto, the Moscow Times and many others. He is the author of
Empire Burlesque: High Crimes and Low Comedy in the Bush Imperium, and is co-founder and editor
of the "Empire Burlesque" political blog. He can be reached at cfloyd72@gmail.com.

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Dildeaux - 21 Oct 2006 18:46 GMT
> "Dildeaux" <dildeaux@toys.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> agreed to put this
> technology of tyranny into the state's hands?

Finally, something useful.

Of course, we will be labeled "enemy combatants" and find ourselves in a
cage
at Gitmo.... if you don't believe, have a listen:

http://shows.airamericaradio.com/play.php?file=RandiRhodes/OCTOBER2006/10-20-06/
Guantanamo2007.wma

Death - 21 Oct 2006 19:24 GMT
"Dildeaux" <dildeaux@toys.com> wrote in message

> Finally, something useful.

You mean finally, something you agree with.
Dildeaux - 22 Oct 2006 03:54 GMT
> "Dildeaux" <dildeaux@toys.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Finally, something useful.
>>
> You mean finally, something you agree with.

No deathmeister - just something useful.

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