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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / September 2006

AIDS In India MASSIVELY OVERSTATED!

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Alex - 23 Aug 2006 21:58 GMT
Again, the ANC survey that UNAIDS depends upon is the culprit.
I think a lot of apologies are in order.

And why is it so easy to admit that AIDS figures in India have been
hugely overestimated, but when you do the same thing for the very
same survey type in AFRICA, the world's too small a place and
the sky will fall.

Alex

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/B046D04C-5A15-47E6-9A21-CE38CD88BC42.asp

Edwin J. Bernard, Wednesday, August 23, 2006

India's HIV prevalence rates have been grossly overestimated and
require substantial downwards revision, according to a late-breaker
presentation at the Sixteenth International Conference in Toronto
on Thursday August 17th. Population-based HIV prevalence
estimates in Andhra Pradesh, the south Indian state thought to
have the highest prevalence of HIV, were found to be
two-and-half times lower than estimates based on sentinel
screening at antenatal and sexual health clinics.

At the end of 2005, India's National AIDS Control Organisation
(NACO) estimated that there were 5.21 million people living with
HIV, although this figure had been criticised by some as an
underestimate.

Indeed, UNAIDS estimated that the number of people living
with HIV in India at the end of 2005 was closer to
5.7 million - higher than South Africa's estimated 5.5 million -
although it suggested a lower and upper range of 3.4 million
and 9.4 million, respectively.

NACO extrapolates data from the public health system - primarily
women testing for HIV during antenatal care, as well as anonymous
surveillance from sexual health clinics - in order to estimate HIV
prevalence in India, and until now no population-based study had
systematically examined the validity of this extrapolation.

Investigators from the Administrative Staff College of India and
the Institute of Medical Sciences in Hyderabad sampled 13,838
adults aged 15-49 from 66 rural and urban clusters that represented
the 4.5 million adults in the Guntur district of south India's
Andhra Pradesh state, which is thought to have the highest
HIV prevalence in India.

Demographic data were obtained from a total of 12,617 individuals
(91.2% of those sampled), and dried blood spots obtained at the
same time were tested for HIV antibodies, p24 antigen and HIV
RNA. The results were then compared with the HIV estimates
from NACO's sentinel surveillance data.

The investigators found that the adjusted HIV rate in adults was
1.72% (95% CI, 1.35-2.09%), with a slightly higher prevalence
in men (1.74%; 95% CI, 1.27-2.21%) than women (
1.70%; 95% CI, 1.36-2.04%). Prevalence was higher in urban
settings (1.89%; 955 CI, 1.39-2.39%) compared with rural
settings (1.64%, 95% CI, 1.10-2.18%).

Using a standard of living index (SLI), the investigators found
that HIV prevalence rates were twice as high in people who
were in the lower half of the SLI (i.e. poorer), compared with
those in the upper half (2.58% vs 1.20%, respectively).

Around 23% of pregnant pregnant women had accessed antenatal
care through the public health system in the previous two years.
Significantly, they discovered that very poor women were
over-represented, which resulted in an unusually high HIV prevalence
rate (3.61% versus 1.08% of pregnant women who did not use
the public health system). This would have skewed the
surveillance-based data which found antenatal clinic HIV
prevalence to be 3%.

The investigators calculated that their population-based estimate
for the Guntur district is 45,925 adults after adjusting for
underrepresented high-risk groups. In contrast, NACO's
surveillance-based estimate was 112,635 adults. In other
words, population-based HIV prevalence was two-and-a-half
times lower than the sentinel surveillance data.

By applying the investigator's population-based estimates to
the entire state of Andhra Pradesh, this results in a reduction
from 1.44 million adults living with HIV to just over half a million.

Lalit Dandona, of the Centre for Human Development in Hyderabad,
presenting, concluded that NACO's method for estimating HIV
prevalence grossly overestimates HIV in all south Indian states -
home to around three-quarters of India' HIV-positive
population - and which have a similar pattern of public health
system use by the poorest people. Therefore, NACO's current
HIV estimate of 5.21 million for India should be revised
downwards by a substantial amount.

Reference
Dandona L et al. A population-based study suggests
that the HIV estimate for India needs major revision.
Sixteenth International AIDS Conference, Toronto,
abstract ThLB0107, 2006.
Moira de Swardt - 24 Aug 2006 04:09 GMT
"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message

> Again, the ANC survey that UNAIDS depends upon is the culprit.
> I think a lot of apologies are in order.

There is no need to apologise.  That much has been freely admitted
by all concerned.  See the figures for "lower" and "upper"
estimates.  Then the one for the actual estimate.  And reasons why
the date could be skewed.

> And why is it so easy to admit that AIDS figures in India have been
> hugely overestimated, but when you do the same thing for the very
> same survey type in AFRICA, the world's too small a place and
> the sky will fall.

No.  Estimates are simply that.  Estimates.  The survey takers state
what the survey is based on and people draw their own conclusion.

--
Moira de Swardt posting from Johannesburg, South Africa
Remove the dot in my address to find me at home.
Alex - 24 Aug 2006 13:56 GMT
> "Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> estimates.  Then the one for the actual estimate.  And reasons why
> the date could be skewed.

Please cite your source.

I do not remember ANYTHING about people stating that the
data and Ante-Natal Clinic surveys in Africa, including South
Africa are wrong.

I don't remember anyone apoligizing for the "1 in 5 South Africans
are HIV positive" LIE.

So cite your sources.

One in five South Africans is HIV positive and the number of HIV infected
South Africans is expected to climb to 25% of the adult population by 2010.
http://www.chip.uconn.edu/research/re_2a3-INTLproj-a.htm

It is estimated that one in five South Africans are HIV positive.
http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/scuk/jsp/wherewework/country.jsp?ukww=ww&secti
on=esafrica&subsecti

on=safrica

The United Nations say that, for example, that one in five South Africans have HIV.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2001/3109.htm

On the other hand 3.5 years ago, these ANC surveys were already debunked:

The good news is that the overall infection rate in the country is 11.4%, lower
than the previously estimated 19%.
http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=24628

So where is the retraction or apology for the (continued) use of
ANC surveys by UNAIDS?

> > And why is it so easy to admit that AIDS figures in India have
> been
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> No.  Estimates are simply that.  Estimates.  The survey takers state
> what the survey is based on and people draw their own conclusion.

So 'estimates are just estimates'. But then there are accurate
estimates, and then there are bullshit estimates. Like extrapolating
the results of an extremely rarified subpopulation (pregnant women
at urban antenatal clinics) based on a dubious test (a single
screening test or ELISA) to the general population.

You see, DHS estimates are estimates too, however, they are
done in a way that is statistically responsible. (I learned the
difference in my first year of polsci, about two decades ago.)

Alex
Alex - 24 Aug 2006 13:56 GMT
> You see, DHS estimates are estimates too, however, they are
> done in a way that is statistically responsible. (I learned the
> difference in my first year of polsci, about two decades ago.)

And what is more - did the PhDs working at UNAIDS magically
forget about that. Did they miraculously 'forget' that you don't
extrapolate data from a highly unrepresentative subpopulation
like pregant women at antenatal clinics to the entire population??

What we are talking about is a willful inflation of HIV data, by UNAIDS.

Alex
DavidT - 29 Aug 2006 18:46 GMT
> What we are talking about is a willful inflation of HIV data, by UNAIDS.

At least you are not denying there are data to inflate.....
Moira de Swardt - 29 Aug 2006 22:11 GMT
"DavidT" <david199@volcanomail.com> wrote in message

> > What we are talking about is a willful inflation of HIV data, by UNAIDS.

> At least you are not denying there are data to inflate.....

This time.

--
Moira de Swardt posting from Johannesburg, South Africa
Remove the dot in my address to find me at home.
Norman - 30 Aug 2006 07:49 GMT
> > What we are talking about is a willful inflation of HIV data, by UNAIDS.
>
> At least you are not denying there are data to inflate....

Where "are" Peter when we need him?

Are data????????????????????????? Surely Is data.
DavidT - 30 Aug 2006 14:56 GMT
> > > What we are talking about is a willful inflation of HIV data, by UNAIDS.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Are data????????????????????????? Surely Is data.

Nope.
Datum = singular, Data = plural.
Norman - 30 Aug 2006 15:13 GMT
> > > > What we are talking about is a willful inflation of HIV data, by UNAIDS.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Nope.
> Datum = singular, Data = plural.

Sorry David to the best of my knowledge 'data' is a collective English
noun long seperated from its Latin root therefore it is 'is' & the only
time you would use datum would be to describe a specific line.
GMCarter - 30 Aug 2006 16:32 GMT
>> > > > What we are talking about is a willful inflation of HIV data, by UNAIDS.
>> > >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>noun long seperated from its Latin root therefore it is 'is' & the only
>time you would use datum would be to describe a specific line.

Either usage is apparently acceptable but "data are" is a more
accurate use. See, e.g.,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data

        George M. Carter
Moira de Swardt - 30 Aug 2006 22:22 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> Either usage is apparently acceptable but "data are" is a more
> accurate use. See, e.g.,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data

"Data is" is easier on the ear and tongue.  At least *my* ear and
tongue, and I did make various attempts to learn Latin at both
school and university.

--
Moira de Swardt posting from Johannesburg, South Africa
Remove the dot in my address to find me at home.
DavidT - 01 Sep 2006 12:17 GMT
> "Data is" is easier on the ear and tongue.  At least *my* ear and
> tongue, and I did make various attempts to learn Latin at both
> school and university.
> --
> Moira de Swardt posting from Johannesburg, South Africa
> Remove the dot in my address to find me at home.

I knew if I waited long enough that there would be something we
disagreed about.
Moira de Swardt - 01 Sep 2006 15:04 GMT
"DavidT" <david199@volcanomail.com> wrote in message

> > "Data is" is easier on the ear and tongue.  At least *my* ear and
> > tongue, and I did make various attempts to learn Latin at both
> > school and university.

> I knew if I waited long enough that there would be something we
> disagreed about.

Happens in the happiest of marriages.  :-)

--
Moira de Swardt posting from Johannesburg, South Africa
Remove the dot in my address to find me at home.
 
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