tut tut tesla
still up to your silly rabbit games
and strange delusions

You want a reason to be paranoid then here it is
every phonecall
every email
every transaction
every job
every thing
is noted
hell, your active cellphone locates you in a 10m radius 24/7
and the next time you buy a tube of toothpaste
or a pair of shoes
find the small silver antenna and ask yourself what it is there for
and
there are two types of passive gates at stores.
the big ones you see, plastic, 1.5m tall, obvious
and the little ones you dont
you do nothing and go nowhere without being watched

To: canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com
From: "C Murray" <cap871@h...> Add to Address Book
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:41:09 -0000
Subject: [canadien_spies_like_us] Re: tut tut silly rabbit

--- In canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com, "teslacoils2004"
<teslacoils2004@y...> wrote:

are

there are very few stupid people being hired by ones just as stupid
in the intel community. it would not work if there were. the
entrance requirements are just too damn high. in Canada to do the
most basic of work with CSIS, and by that I mean interviews for visa
applications and simple things like that you still must have a
university degree, pass a lot of tests (including IQ etc) and go
through a rigorous training program. Anyone stupid who is in the
community does not last. Jails are full of stupid people period.

graduating

haha. unless this school is advertised inthe back of soldier of
fortune there just 'aint such a thing'. the closest might be
something like 10 years in the army, moving quickly through the
ranks, transfer to spec4 of some sort then off for 'advanced
training' but other than in bad golan globus films there isnt such a
thing

true for most things and most people

To: canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com
From: "C Murray" <cap871@h...> Add to Address Book
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:04:17 -0000
Subject: [canadien_spies_like_us] Re: tut tut silly rabbit

--- In canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com, "teslacoils2004"
<teslacoils2004@y...> wrote:

there is a whole world of difference between hiring a criminal for
the purposes of investigating other criminals with the intent of
prosecution (a paid informer) and an intel wog.
--- In canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com, "teslacoils2004"
<teslacoils2004@y...> wrote:

still must be you
because you and your friends in their dementia are still batting 000

To: canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com
From: "spymanofsdsa" <spymanofsdsa@y...> Add to Address Book
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:50:21 -0000
Subject: [canadien_spies_like_us] Having fun?

Up to your old games again, I see, Craig. Thought you'd wisen up one
day. Tesla, be carefull, your playing with fire. I've been watching
this a.shole for years now. Can't tell you how many "jobs" he has
had. One thing I have to say for you Craig, your a man of many
talents.

To: canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com
From: "spymanofsdsa" <spymanofsdsa@y...> Add to Address Book
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:10:30 -0000
Subject: [canadien_spies_like_us] Tesla

I just spoke to cap and he is very concerned about your mental
stability. He told me that you took my post earlier seriously. I am
sorry, but I posted that as a joke. He had told me you were paranoid
and I could come here and see for myself. I thought he was joking
and I thought you both would get a laugh out of it. I made up the
spyman name and sdsa stands for super duper spy agency. As he has
pointed out to me, he wasn't joking and he is very concerned about
your mental health. I've read your posts and I am too. You really
are showing a lot of Paranoia. Please tell your doctor about it. He
can help you. I've known Cap for a long time, he is not a spy, or a
federal agent or anything of that nature. Cap designs buildings for
a living. That is the only job he holds. He's never done any of the
things you think he has. Please talk to a doctor. I am sorry for
misleading you.

To: canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com
From: "C Murray" <cap871@h...> Add to Address Book
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:33:28 -0000
Subject: [canadien_spies_like_us] Re: man o man

this is little more than venting of rampant paranoia. readin the
accounts of the delusional we are dealing with the following

1. schizophrenia
2. night terrors
3. lies
4. imagination

no one ever has any real evidence, no fingerprints, no photos, no
tape recordings, same bullshit talk 'they are too good to make those
mistakes'
hahaha
even the most profesisonal will leave a trace, period.

so

in closing

this, all of it, is paranoia that requires medical attention. most
of the manic behaviour can be treated easily by your physician. you
can get better.

the internet has opened a world of possibilities and futures.
information exchanged, knowledge gained, lessons learned.
however
it seems at times that 99% of it is devoted to sex and a meeting
place for the lost, sad and imbalanced to spread their disease.

No one is hunting, trapping, treating, abusing or terrorizing you.
you might be, you might be imagining it, but no lawful authority is.
there is no reason to do it and everyone needs a reason. what are
they trying to do, disprupt construction in your area? why wouldnt
they go for a union boss or a senior manager? they would, plain and
simply.

the truth is that no one is doing anything to you. your life is
f.cked because you spend most of your time looking for spooks,
fearing spooks, talking about spooks, or imagining spooks. but there
arent any. its a lot easier to blame everything on these unseen
asassins but at some point you have to come to the realization that
they do not exist. this is paranoia possibly with deeper issues.

On a more serious note. You spend a lot of time in your ramblings
identifying people by name or by specific characteristics that
identify them. if you are not careful you could end up being sued,
taken to court or arrested for criminal mischief etc.

If you want to have fantasies about spies etc then fine, but give
them really good pretend names like agent orange or doctor
strangelove.

I am outta here. I only showed up in the first place because you
wrote that little lie about meeting me.

Seriously, take care of yourself, get a better grip on reality, stop
worrying about this bullshit, seek professional help, hey, if nothing
else, maybe a visit to the doctor with complete bloodwork etc could
prove your argument that you are being drugged etc. go to just a
walk in clinic at random where you know nobody could have set
anything up.

and always try to remember, this is the truth above all others when
dealing with the government. is there a budget for it.

everyone at every level has to validate their budgetary
requirements. if there really was a department of screwing people
around can you honestly see this dialogue taking place.

"Well boys, money is tight again this year, those pinkos on the hill
have cut our budget again, so who are we going to screw with?"
"Osama sir?"
"nope"
"foreign operatives living here illegally"
"nah"
"criminals, mob bosses, drug dealers"
"nope, nope and nope. I have a better idea, lets screw with a
contract construction worker and temp agent."
"wow sir, now I know why you are in charge?"

that sounds unrealistic, dopey and obviously false
and there is a reason for that
IT IS
THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT AGENCY DOING JACK sh.t TO YOU
YOU ARE IMAGINING IT OR MAKING IT UP

it all comes down to what the hell would be the point?
there isnt one for any of us cause sadly, we just are not that
important on the worlds stage.

so, to all the people here
take care
good luck
try to remember it isnt real

To: canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com
From: "C Murray" <cap871@h...> Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:32:13 -0000
Subject: [canadien_spies_like_us] Re: spin doctors

--- In canadien_spies_like_us@yahoogroups.com, "teslacoils2004"
<teslacoils2004@y...> wrote:

want

spindoctors, holy crap what an ego, what an inflated sense of self.
why the hell would some secret organization be dicking around with a
heavy equipment operator? think about it rationally for a moment.
if you were this great threat to the secret order of water buffalos
then why not just shoot you in the back of the head
done deal
life is f.cked
its not fair
its not easy
its not what we want
but
if we are honest with ourselves
honest with others
honest with an appreciation of our strengths and weaknesses then we
can overcome them

if we spend all our time living in fantasies of secret agents and
cover-ups then that is all we will see
sorry man
none of us are that important to really rate that sort of attention.

we have a society of males all dreaming they are mulder and the
illuminatus is out to get them and scully's baby
well horseshit

now a while back i said about everything being recorded
that was a test statement

see everything is recorded
but not for the reasons you think

that statement is to allow you to run with your personality and see
if you are paranoid or not.

a normal person says yeah, what about it
a person who is paranoid says yeah see i told you so

the banks keep records cause they have to by law
the phone compnay keeps records so they can bill you
the little labels inside bottles are for marketing or anti theft

its all so goddamn banal and mercantile commonplace that we should
shrug it off and ignore it
but
we have to peer out from between the blinds and see every car as
agents of x. the guy standing by the tree isnt cursing a sore knee
he is secretly photographing you or transmitting radio signals into
your fillings

its all such bullshit

anyone who knows anything 'dangerous' is either trustworthy or dead.
that is the whole truth in a nutshell. no one in bars or parks or
tim hortons knows sh.t. important people dont hang out there hoping
to talk to anyone about anything

get over the paranoia
get over the desperate search for someone to blame
and just get on with living a happy, fulfilled and satisfied life
From: "teslacoils2004" <teslacoils2004@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:41 am
Subject: Later in a private message

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:40:02 -0000
From: "C Murray" <cap871@h...> Add to Address Book
To: teslacoils2004@y...
Subject: you need to seek professional help

you need to seek professional help before you hurt yourself or
someone else.

heres the whole story

1. when you got abusive iasked you to leave the writers group
you didnt but instead sent a whole bunch of nasty emails to one of
the female members. i forwarded the lot of them to your isp. how
did i know your isp, simple, you sent me an email once from your home
pc (i guess) that ended in whatever.com (i dont remember the name)

I asked them to ask you to stop joining and doing this
they sent back an email asking what i wanted to see done and i said
just give him a warning and he should stop
well i guess they either had other complaints about you or had a very
hardline policy cause its news to me you were disconnected

as for being in law enforcement

I NEVER SAID I WAS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT

yeah i am a federal officer but not what you think
yeah I have done intel work but again, not what you think

I was an officer in the reserves (part time army)
now this gives me about as much clout as well...it doesnt give me any
f.cking clout. a 14 year old girl can phone the chief of the defense
department but i couldnt
so
as for blaming me for doing all this sh.t, get real, get a grip, take
a pill something. i paid you f.ck all attention until i find out you
are f.cking with me. i dont know you. i dont really give a flying
fart about you. other than being a member of the same writing group
i have had nothing to do with you

listen carefully. i dont know you. i have nothing, zero, zip to do
with you. i would not know who you were if you walked up to me and
shook my hand. if i was some sort of secret agent, would i have my
picture on the net? f.ck of course not. THINK ABOUT IT
holy crap man you do need professional help.

and as far as my work with law enforcement goes, yeah i do help out a
lot. i work with and am friends with a lot of cops. just normal
joes who do their work and argue with their wives and write speeding
tickets. my work involves helping to set up and manage youth help
centres. i work with cops to give kids a safe place to go.
ooooooooooooooh kinda spooky eh. and thats it

As for intel, ready for it. i volunteered with a think tank
organization that monitored SOVIET military movements. now that
pretty much dates it doesnt it, cause there isnt even a soviet union
anymore.

again, i know you are not going to believe anything. i know you are
so caught up in this fantasy world of yours you will maintain it
right up until they toss you in the rubber room.

as for the comment by the other person, spymanfromsdsa, that was a
friend of mine who i said 'gotta read this, this is serirously f.cked
up'. they thought it would be funny to post something and stir the
sh.t up a little because they know i have f.ck all to do with any of
your fantasies. i never responded to anything they said and they
never wrote back cause i was pissed at them. as i said, i think this
guy has some serious issues that need to be dealt with professionally.

by the way, the sdsa stands for 'super duper spy agency'
kinda funny eh

as for being sued. if you get sued for libel or slander you dont get
a lawyer for free. those are civil cases and if you walk into a
court and say 'your honour this guy is some secret agent who is
trailing after me and screwing with my life'
not only will the judge find for the person suing you, he will
probably reccomend you see a doctor.

i work a forty hour plus week designing buildings, surveying
property, dealing with the city building department and managing
construction. this has been pretty much my full time work since
about 1985 when i finished school. i have only ever worked in
construction engineering and architecture. 2 weeks ago the spymaster
(me) took a day long course in 'designing concrete slabs on grade'.
does thi ssound like super duper spy work.

my secret agent spy schedule of yeasterday was as follows

730
arrive at office, talk to construction crews
830
prepare drawings and prints for field. collect 4 cans orange survey
paint, plus nails and my 30m tape measure
1030
get pickup truck from yard, load survey sh.t in back, pick up survey
assistant, drive to site
1130
stop at tim hortons near site, get lunch drive to job site
1145-3pm
walk around surveying the elevations of the site so i can go back to
the office and figure out how many square meters a day are being
moved by the heavy equipment operators. (we have 2 350 excavators
and a hoe ram plus 2 rock trucks needing to move about 38000 cubic
meters)
i also stepped through what i thought was solid ice but was in fact a
4' deep hole and almost broke my friggin leg
3pm
finish survey, got back in the truck, drove right across the city to
another site, laid out the corners of the building we are making so
that the crews can dig the foundation and lay in a construction
road. almost punctured a tire on some rebar sticking out of the
ground (would have been very pissed)
5pm
back to office
530pm home
630
arrive home
eat dinner
700
take kid to sports practice
830
home
930
watch futurama
11
bed

now where the hell in that schedule am i supposed to fit in
1. take over the world
2. ruin some guys life that i dont know and dont give a sh.t about

think for *&*&^ sake

now, if i want to i can do the following
1. contact yahoo groups. tell them you are using this site to write
slanderous things about me. they will take a look, they will see the
comments you the moderator have written with my name in them. they
will remind you of the acceptable use policy and delete the site.
its not the super duper spy agency at work, its just common sense

From: "teslacoils2004" <teslacoils2004@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:54 am
Subject: Re: Later in a private message

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:03:20 -0000
From: "C Murray" <cap871@h...> Add to Address Book
To: teslacoils2004@y...

i dont know who you are
i dont care about who you are
and i have nothing to do with you until such times as you screw with
me and i react

well you are verging or passing the point where laws are being
broken. you are leaving me little choice but to take immediate and
drastic action.

you can do the following

1. post the truth.

you can post immediately that you have never met me, that you lied
about meeting me and that it is all in good fun that got out of hand
or i will be forced to contact the police and let them deal with you.

I do not have the time to deal with your paranoid fantasies and lies

seek professional help in dealing with your mental problems
and thnk about it
even if thinking is not what you do best

if i was some master spy controlling the government would i be
emailing you just now?

From: "C Murray" <cap871@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 11:56 pm
Subject: Re: Easter - The Holy Shroud and His Mystery

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2164.htm

The hepatitis experiment was a costly one, and Szmuness didn't want any
uncooperative or hard-to-find gays messing up his experiment. There was
too much money at stake. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the
National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the National Institute of
Allergy and Infectious Diseases, were all involved in the study, as
well as big pharmaceutical companies, such as Merck, Sharp & Dohme
Inc., and Abbott Laboratories.

The first group of gay men was inoculated in November 1978 at the New
York City Blood Center. The experiment continued until October 1979.
Over one thousand men from Manhattan were injected with Szmuness'
vaccine.

In January 1979, a few months after Wolf Szmuness began his experiment,
purple skin lesions began to appear on the bodies of young white gay
men in the Village. The doctors were not sure exactly what was wrong
with these men. During the next thirty months, Manhattan physicians
encountered dozens of cases of a new disease characterized by
immunodeficiency, Kaposi's sarcoma, and a rapidly fatal lung disease,
known as Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia. All the men were young and gay
and promiscuous. Almost all were white. All died horribly.

NOtice the ABOTT labratorories?

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Don't be a pinko, unsubscribe from the right place.
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Please remove me from this list.

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do not represent those of Abbott Laboratories, but they're pretty
darn good anyway!
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:07:49 -0800 (PST)
From: bigdaddy@ccnet.com
Subject:
To: Subgenius@mc.lcs.mit.edu
cc: Subgenius@mc.lcs.mit.edu
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502141814.A1668-0100000@ccnet3>

Aha...so the decadent Western purveyors of falsehood and loose ways
shall
meet their fate, at long last! Perhaps someone could raise a cheering
squad(in appropriately conservative clothing, of course) for the trial?

Never mind that they won't be present. Trials in absentia <sp?> rank
right up there with the pictures and the Lawn Darts...

Or peut-e^tre those other diversions which have been in the paper
recently. No matter which paper, it's all an enjoyable diversion from
our
lives. Amusing besides. Hands, please: how many people have ever
directly
experienced a newsworthy event?

<sidestepping for the moment the question of what is 'newsworthy'>

TEPLMDLMDMP

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From: Charles Edward Patisaul <charles@loki.ksc.nasa.gov>
Message-Id: <9502141321.AA00276@loki.ksc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Don't be a pinko, unsubscribe from the right place.
To: Subgenius@mc.lcs.mit.edu
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 8:21:22 EST
Reply-To: "Charles E. Patisaul" <charles@vulture.ksc.nasa.gov>

       You weenies that are sick of all this garbage, are the source
of all this garbage.

       Don't be a pinko rat. Do the right thing. Don't send
unsubscribe requests to the mailing list.

       With damned near every internet mailing you send your
request to (get this) the name of the list with -Request and then
the rest of the address.

       Try this:
       subgenius-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu

       People don't get as pissed at you, and then the people that
actually do the list mangling will get it.

P.S. Never ever ever ever quote the entire huge digest with 4 different
whiners and a long story, and then say "Yeah me too."
--
Charles E. Patisaul     charles@loki.ksc.nasa.gov      NASA KSC,
Florida USA

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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:12:10 -0600
From: Larkin Jennifer L <jll0023@usl.edu>
Message-Id: <199502150312.AA00780@a102.ucs.usl.edu>
To: Subgenius@mc.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Help in the name of all "BoBs"

I'm in this little civil rights issue with my school.  Does anybody
know of any court decisions involving posting on dormitory hallway
walls, especially if it involves Tinker v. Des Moines in any way.
I know the case says "Only" but my school doesn't think that only
means only.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, and add me to the mailing list.
I'm sending the address to my Reverend (I don't have 30 bucks-- there
should be a poor college student rate)

And, uh, if anyone would like to send me random e-mail messages, my
mailbox is lonely.  But of course, don't go way out of your way.

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Message-Id: <9502141950.AA05495@thelonious.MIT.EDU>
From: "The Rt. Rev. Wor. Dr. Y. Foo, FRC" <dryfoo@mit.edu>
To: seth katzman <seth@hopf.dnai.com>
Subject: how to unsubscribe
Cc: subgenius@mc.lcs.mit.edu
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:50:56 EST

Okay, for the 30-billionth time:

The proper way to unsubscribe to the Subgenius Digest is to write to
                   subgenius-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu

you demented little bastard.

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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:39:47 -0800 (PST)
From: { brad brace } <bbrace@netcom.com>
Subject: Jubilee
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502141208.A6854-0100000@netcom12>

JUBILEE SAINTS PROJECT
c/o Koehnline
POB 85777
Seattle, WA 98145-1777

Every fifty years the Ancients observed the JUBILEE - a time
of renewal when all slaves were freed, all debts were
cancelled, all prisoners were released, all fields lay
fallow, and all laborers observed feast days and festivals
of ZEROWORK!

For 500 years the 'New' World has been sentenced to life at
hard labor, death in the fields, mines, big houses, schools,
prisons & factories of competing cabals. But the
Capitalist/Socialist Planetary Work & War Machine will not
rule forever! In the cracks and on the margins of this
Wetiko-diseased world, Temporary Autonomous Zones flourish!
Sound the ram's horn! We call for a celebration of the Grand
Jubilee of the New World's discovery. In advance of the
feasting and revelry we are preparing a Calendar of Saints,
with each and every day a Feast Day! We invite your
nominations! Sponsor a saint today!

THE CHRONICLE OF HIGHER JUBILATION

An Introduction to the Jubilee Sainthood Project

COLUMBIAN JUBILEE

In 1984 the United States government established the
Christopher Columbus Quincentenary Jubilee Commision to plan
and co-ordinate nation-wide celebrations of the 500th
anniversary of Columbus' first landing in the so- called New
World, the traditional starting point for the European
Invasion of the Americas.

Columbus, Admiral of the Ocean Sea, or, as he liked to call
himself, the Christ-bearing Dove, was a religious nut of the
first order. He had two great obsessions. The first was to
loot the gold of the heathen world in order to finance a
triumphant Crusade by the Roman Church to retake Jerusalem,
the center of the Christian world. The second was to sew-up
the world for Christ, in preparation for the Millenium.

If Columbus had had the slightest interest in the
possibility that he had discovered a "New World," we would
most likely have continents named North and South Columbia
today. He had no such interest. The last thing he wanted was
a New World to worry about. It was a considerable
complication for his simple-minded faith. He wanted to show
that the world was of manageable size; the aging world made
whole, holy, harmonious - a small world after all. A "New
World" with countless lost and scattered tribes to find and
convert was a serious set-back, forcing unavoidable delays;
a major pain in the a.s. In his will he directed his son to
establish a fund for the reconquest of Jerusalem. Someone
else's children could shoulder the burden of a "New World."
Chris was disgusted with the whole business.

We, in turn, are disgusted with the official Quincentenary
hype designed to celebrate one of Europe's premier
imperializing cannibals. But we take some ironic pleasure in
the fact that the U.S. government has settled on that far
more convivial Biblical tradition, the Jubilee.

JUBILEE

It is quite likely that the Christian conception of the
Millenium evolved out of ancient Hebrew Jubilee legislation.
In the Gospel according to Luke, especially, the coming
Kingdom of God has very much the character of a
divinely-ordained, universal Jubilee, a great social
leveling. When Jesus went to Nazareth to begin preaching,
the first thing he did was open the scroll to the words of
the prophet Isaiah which proclaim the "acceptable year of
the Lord" - in other words, the year of Jubilee. Then he
said, "Today, this scripture has been fulfilled in your
hearing." Jubilee evolves in the Bible from the legal ideal
of social justice in Leviticus, through the poetic prophecy
of Isaiah, to the fulfillment announced by Jesus in Luke.

Historically, Jubilee began as an ancient prerogative of
kings, a kind of social safety valve. Later it was codified
as law, though probably never fully enacted. Finally, with
Jesus, the trumpet (ram's horn or jubel) is sounded for all
who have ears to hear; for all who are in touch with the
spirit within; the Millenium, the kingdom of God is here and
now - a timeless, universal Jubilee. The Empire of Lies is
exposed and the chains of the law are broken.

Needless to say, this is no way to run a profitable Church,
and so the official line has always been "Look sharp, it's
coming soon! It's right around the corner!" And a hundred
generations have dutifully watched for signs  of the coming
of the Paraclete, rather than discovering the divine spark
within; rather than saying, with the Ranters, "All is ours
and all is well!"