Kioseth wrote...
> I can understand being desperate...
Among gay men, "desperate" means having been unable to find a sex
partner for three whole hours.
> ............. This could be such an easy STD to avoid if people would
> just get tested frequently. We could stop this in one generation, but
> no one is willing to change, or get tested. It's to out of the way,
> especially in the 'heat of the moment'. So that's my two cents. Get
> tested, and this could be a disease of tomorrow.
Your idea is good, but frequent testing among gay men means testing
every few hours, something that is not practical at the moment. Your
partner's HIV- status at breakfast bears no relation to his status
at lunchtime, and certainly not by dinnertime. If you can develop
an instant saliva test with 99.9999% accuracy and costs about 5 cents
per use then you might stand a chance of containing this epidemic
among gay men.
Bock - 18 Apr 2006 12:01 GMT
> Kioseth wrote...
> > I can understand being desperate...
>
> Among gay men, "desperate" means having been unable to find a sex
> partner for three whole hours.
From reading your comments, it would suggest that gay men have no
difficulty finding partners. And in the context of men will be men
you are probably right. But it is never the number of partners that
necessarily puts one at risk to HIV or any other STD, it is the safeness
of the activity involved. If no fluids are exchanged there is zero
risk,
for example.
That doesn't mean; however, your kindness of thought wasn't appreciated.
> > ............. This could be such an easy STD to avoid if people would
> > just get tested frequently. We could stop this in one generation, but
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> per use then you might stand a chance of containing this epidemic
> among gay men.
Another brilliant comment and while you reference gay men at the end, it
really applies to the global population - but nonetheless brilliantly
stated.
Your love and care of the gay commmuity is so thoughtfully expressed and
I thank you.
> I can understand being desperate, and a lot of pressure behind not
> saying 'no'. But the risk isn't worth it.
Well, desperate people usually do desperate things so how can you say
you understand being desperate.
> I'll continue to make sure
> any partner I find is tested and cleared.
Well, if you aren't doing bareback, then why does it matter if the
person was tested if you wear a condom?
If the guy you slept with last night you have been seeing for a week or
two following
his tests and being cleared, if he slept with someone other than you in
the
afternoon, then all those tests and being clear is meaningless if the
fellow
he slept with was HIV+.
> Especially quickly, before
> any true feelings can foster.
Millions of men go to the nearest bar every Thursday, Friday and
Saturday night
looking for women and lots of them sleep with these women quickly before
any true
feelings can be fostered. Some wear condoms and some don't.
> I can see love making it worth the risk, but then if the realtionship fails,
> and you have it, not only are you stuck with it now but you can also spread it.
Well, that is where you and I differ. I don't think any love making is
ever worth
the risk and that is why you and I should always wear a condom.
Relationships fail
all the time. It is part of the process. Even when people find the
perfect partner
or as my brother puts it, she will do, 45 percent of all marriages end
in divorce.
You haven't mentioned perhaps the most important factor. The younger
you are, the less
history you have and as a consequence you think you can survive war at
the front unscathed,
make love to women without getting them pregnant, and winning the
lottery. Aids doesn't
even register because you are not at risk and the women you sleep with
are clean and
don't sleep around so no need for you to wear a condom, right?
> And possibly without
> knowing that you are. This is how it's become and epidemic, because of
> rushed decissions and choices.
Men aren't making rushed decisions or having rushed discussions. They
go to a bar,
find a woman who looks decent, drinks until they have enough courage to
place them in
close proximity and then starts chatting her up and buying her drinks
over many hours
offering her hints and waiting for physical or verbal hints in return.
You can never
rush a woman unless she is a prostitute and then that is the last thing
you want to do
because she is in a greater hurry than you are.
> Be slow with love, because you can have
> your whole life to make slow choices.
You can be as slow a lover as you want. You can pick the finest woman
or man that you can find,
you can build a life of love and happiness together, the finest house,
the finest friends, the best
that money can buy, but sometimes people you or your partner have
affairs that last one time or
20 years. Sometimes they are risk free and sometimes the bring AIDS
into the home. Sometimes it has
nothing to do with sex but with drugs. Conversely, you can both sleep
around but keep a standard of
never exchanging fluids, mouth or otherwise, and always wearing a condom
keeping everyone disease
risk free and happy with long healthy lives.
> By risking getting HIV/AIDS you
> will risk giving it to others, and no one wants that.
Well, of course, that is true, but no one need get aids no matter how
much sick
minded uncaring mentally damaged people try to spread the disease
because you and
and the rest of the world don't take risks or chances. It is that
simple, cheap and
practical to do.
> If you take the
> risk, and get HIV, then you take the responsibilty of not spreading it
> to anyone else.
Well, that is the problem, people who take the risk may be less than
capable of
taking the responsibility later of not spreading to people who are
perfectly
capable of taking precautions but don't. For instance, there was a guy
from
another country who came to Canada and spread HIV to many women but the
women
may have been deemed by society as less than informed and enlightened
about
the HIV risk partly because it may have been alleged that the gentleman
was
not telling the truth about his status and the women's education may
have
sadly been lacking in good judgment or experience from a global
perspective.
> This could be such an easy STD to avoid if people would
> just get tested frequently.
I think the world has established that the only benefit to being tested
is that
you can be prosecuted criminally if caught spreading the disease to
others because
you have such knowledge.
But tested or not, if one only has safe sex, then the lies and
misinformations don't
likely kill anyone.
> We could stop this in one generation, but
> no one is willing to change, or get tested.
Perhaps you are a little too optimistic. If STD's have been around sin
the time of Christ
and still are going strong, then I doubt they will be gone tomorrow.
Millions of men and women have changed and many have been tested for
what it is worth.
But remember key to this is that the same guys they send to the front to
face the enemy and die
are the same people running to the bar to get laid at any cost. The sex
drive of the young is
stronger than the mind else the world would be different.
> It's to out of the way,
> especially in the 'heat of the moment'. So that's my two cents. Get
> tested, and this could be a disease of tomorrow.
It is a disease of yesterday already because nobody talks about it.
There is little or no advertising or
commercials about it. Few people are wearing condoms. Sex education
has not changed since the beginning of time thanks to Christian values.