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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / April 2006A thought experiment. Get tested together BEFORE having sex.
Here's a thought experiment !... The strategy. Get tested together for a variety of sexually transmitted infections, including human immunodeficiency virus and share the results with your potential sex partner BEFORE having sex. Here's a collaborative blog and a collaborative wiki about the strategy of let's get tested together before we have sex... for STDs http://NotB4WeKnow.blogspot.com http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/not_b4_we_know Earlier edits at http://zork.net/dsaklad/notb4weknow Don Saklad wrote... > Here's a thought experiment !... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > including human immunodeficiency virus and share the results with > your potential sex partner BEFORE having sex. Good idea, except that test results take time, and the fact that both partners were HIV- on test day does not mean they are HIV- when they get the test results a week later. Or even instant tests, after testing negative they probably couldn't even make it home from the clinic without cheating on each other and risking infection. Queer Duck http://www.icebox.com/index.php?id=episode&show_id=s21&episode_id=e3 "My name is Lance and I've slept with 7 different men during my l... during my l..." "During your lunch hour?" "No, during my lifetime!" "And you call yourself a homosexual?" Here's another thought experiment... If you needed a blood transfusion, would you want the blood tested after or BEFORE the transfusion?... > Don Saklad wrote... > > Here's a thought experiment !... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > "And you call yourself a homosexual?" Then a good idea should be tried. It is unlikely that all homosexuals have exactly, or even close to, the behavior the responder describes. Or is that a projection? Is it the responders behavior? Is it the typical behavior of people the responder knows? Where is he getting this picture of homosexuals as convulsive, compulsive, continuous rutters? > Don Saklad wrote... > > Here's a thought experiment !... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > "And you call yourself a homosexual?" dsaklad@gnu.org wrote... > Is it the responders behavior? No. > Is it the typical behavior of people the responder knows? Yes. > Where is he getting this picture of homosexuals as > convulsive, compulsive, continuous rutters? See above. Perhaps the responder should find some new friends... Clearly convulsive, compulsive, continuous rutting is not the behavior of all homosexuals. There are many who are celebate or in long term monogamous couples and many who have affairs from time to time. These then, would be the people who would benefit from pre-sex testing. If it works for the blood supply then it ought to work for AIDS. > dsaklad@gnu.org wrote... > > Is it the responders behavior? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > See above. dsaklad@gnu.org wrote... > If it works for the blood supply then it ought to work for > AIDS. No it won't, because the unit of blood is quarantined until the test results come back negative. The potential sex partners are not quarantined, and from the trash I know it seems unlikely one or both of the partners could make it home from the instant testing clinic without whoring himself for crack along the way. You are correct that not ALL homosexual men are like that (like myself), just 99.9%. The odds of two potential partners both being in that 0.1% who aren't convulsive rutting crack-addicted trash is extremely improbable. Your testing proposal is good IF an instant HIV test can be developed that is almost perfectly accurate, detects the virus within hours of infection, and is cheap enough to use for EVERY sexual encounter. You can't even trust your partner when he goes to the bathroom during the sex break, you must insist he submit to another test before beginning the next sex act. Short of that, testing simply provides a false sense of security and will lead to more HIV infections. > You are correct that not ALL homosexual men are like that (like > myself), just 99.9%. He's talking about *choice,* Diablo, not your unfortunate circumstances. B/ It will work for those people who want to use the method to preserve their health. > dsaklad@gnu.org wrote... > > If it works for the blood supply then it ought to work for [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > of that, testing simply provides a false sense of security and > will lead to more HIV infections. What a strange, paranoid, hopeless world you imagine yourself to live in. > dsaklad@gnu.org wrote... > > If it works for the blood supply then it ought to work for [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > of that, testing simply provides a false sense of security and > will lead to more HIV infections. dsaklad@gnu.org wrote... > What a strange, paranoid, hopeless world you imagine > yourself to live in. It beats having AIDS. > You are correct that not ALL homosexual men are like that (like > myself), just 99.9%. Sorry, but this is just plain bigotry. Just because you're hanging with the wrong crowd (assuming you're gay) doesn't mean you can damn all of us. Like somebody else said, meet new friends. Stop hanging around clubs where, you know, there are guys selling X by the bathrooms. Otherwise, realize you're responsible for forming this lousy impression of your peers and that you're too lazy to change it. pluto@quentincrisp.com wrote... >>You are correct that not ALL homosexual men are like that (like >>myself), just 99.9%. > > Sorry, but this is just plain bigotry. Just because you're hanging > with the wrong crowd (assuming you're gay) doesn't mean you can damn > all of us. I didn't damn all of you, I conceded that 0.1% of gays aren't AIDS- infected trash. > Like somebody else said, meet new friends. Stop hanging around clubs > where, you know, there are guys selling X by the bathrooms. Otherwise, > realize you're responsible for forming this lousy impression of your > peers and that you're too lazy to change it. I don't hang around clubs, but every gay male I know does. It wouldn't matter if I made friends at the mall or supermarket, the fact is they would all (99.9%) be the usual disco sex trash and have HIV. I thought I knew a relatively conservative gay guy last year, but it turned out he made money on the side by blowing truckers. For what it's worth... I am neither homosexual nor male, but did that prior to a monogamous relationship. It helped us feel at ease with each other. > For what it's worth... > > I am neither homosexual nor male, but did that prior to a monogamous > relationship. It helped us feel at ease with each other. Auh, but the word monogamous is risky. Like a contract, only if the two parties keep the contact is it safe. Because in life sex has the highest stakes. It is one of the first areas where people lie, because to tell the truth can cost them everything and in a long relationship with all its history and scars it can be very, very expensive. If marriage in western society results in divorce 45 precent of the time, it is an example of the odds of truth and trust. Let me give you two examples. Suddently two people, one divorce and one married are commuting to work together. Means nothing, right? Except they no longer laugh, joke and are talkative like they were before to everybody else. Everybody loves them but they have both changed. Why? Today a young very respectable girl is on the bus. A guy is sitting beside her in cozy fashion. He gets up and get off the bus and the guy sitting slightly away from her sits down beside her. She obviously knows him but try as he might she is less than enchanted by polite to his responses. He gets up and gets off the bus and she is then on her cell phone. While the total picture is not clear, somebody is not being totally honest. Almost the first thing that counsels telll people is that it isn't necessarily a good thing to tell the other spouse everything if there is no reason to know. Take it from there. > Let me give you two examples. Suddently two people, one divorce and > one married are commuting to work together. Means nothing, right? > Except they no longer laugh, joke and are talkative like they were > before to everybody else. Everybody loves them but they have both > changed. Why? > Today a young very respectable girl is on the bus. A guy is sitting > beside her in cozy fashion. He gets up and get off the bus and the guy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cell phone. While the total picture is not clear, somebody is not being > totally honest. ??? I do not understand the point of either of these stories. Did I miss a punchline somewhere? Joyce > For what it's worth... > I am neither homosexual nor male, but did that prior to a monogamous > relationship. It helped us feel at ease with each other. > > Let me give you two examples. Suddently two people, one divorce and > > one married are commuting to work together. Means nothing, right? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Joyce > > Let me give you two examples. Suddently two people, one divorce and > > one married are commuting to work together. Means nothing, right? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Joyce The punchline, Joyce, is that getting tested before having sex is meaningless whether it is a one night stand or with someone you have been married to for a lifetime because the test results are only for a certain incubation period. With the divorce rate at 45 percent lots of people are having affairs on the side - some as long as 20 years with out their spouses knowing - and since the sex drive is strong and the losses from infideity if caught are great like half the assets of the marriage, lots of people lie. Or ot put it another way, sex, anyway you put it is very risky business. What were your and your partner's test results for each of the sexually transmitted infections?... velvice@yahoo.com For what it's worth... I am neither homosexual nor male, but did that prior to a monogamous relationship. It helped us feel at ease with each other. | Here's a thought experiment !... | [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | Earlier edits at | http://zork.net/dsaklad/notb4weknow
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