LOL...that's because the denialists like you keep raising the same
tired old, long-refuted sh.t.

I have several character flaws. One of them is caring about people that
delude themselves about HIV. I don't want to see more people die.

Chris Noble

HIV exists. Only a few cranks, reviled by many even in their own
quixotic denialist movement, believe it does not.

Ergo, you are a crank.

I don't care whether you think this particular stretch of DNA is an
exogenous retrovirus currently labelled HIV.

We can call it sequence U39362 if you want.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/viewer.fcgi?db=nucleotide&val=9409797

What I care about is whether you have the courage to transfect yourself
with it.

You know the exact DNA sequence. You know exactly what it is. What are
you afraid of?

Chris Noble

This is a lot about what these people aren't, while ignoring what
they are. You are obviously like to appeal to authority, yet in
doing so, you dismiss with the wave of a hand the opinion from of
a professor of pathology, on a matter of pathology. Al-Bayati's
(the clown) credentials you even more enthusiastically dismiss.
Let's look at them:

SQ:
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Education

1994    Diplomate, American Board of Toxicology (DABT)

    Al-Bayati was certified by the American Board of
       Toxicology in the areas of “Human, experimental,
       regulatory and environmental toxicology).

1989     University of California, Davis – PhD in Comparative
       Pathology

    Al-Bayati received a PhD in Comparative Pathology from UC
       Davis after studies including human pathology, medical
       immunology, medicalbiochemistry, analytical toxicology,
       environmental toxicology and experimental toxicology.

1985    PhD Qualifying Exam

    Al-Bayati entered the UC Davis PhD program after being
       examined by two MD pathologists from the university’s
       medical school. He passed on the first try.

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EQ:

Interestingly, it appears a coroner doesn't need to be a pathologist:

http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/chain_1127620494.shtml

~ Something a lot of people don't know is that a "coroner" is actually
~ a political position, usually appointed, and most coroners are not
~ pathologists or even physicians. Rather, pathologists work for the
~ coroner's office, and are generally referred to as the Medical
~ Examiners. So was it Anthony Hernandez (the head of the Coroner's
~ office), Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran (the actual chief medical
~ examiner), or who exactly that came up with this? Was it merely a
~ political assertion or belief? If it was medical, what was the basis?

Token and false generosity that dismisses the credentials he does have.

It is telling that nowhere have you afforded him or his report
any credibility at all. How is it that medical reviewers don't
find him and his report as laughable as you would have them?

~ Al-Bayati’s report has been selected for publication in Medical
~ Veritas, a peer-reviewed medical journal. The review board of
~ this journal includes more than 20 physicians and scientists,
~ none of whom have any association with the Maggiore-Scovill
~ family or Alive & Well AIDS Alternatives. A copy of the paper is
~ available here, with the permission of the publisher.

That's regarding the report. But what other silly things has
Al-Bayati been up to? Continuing from that page - I have not
included the list of publications:

~ Some of Dr. Al-Bayati’s most relevant publications are listed
~ below. A complete list of his scientific publications since
~ 1982 can be found on the National Library of Medicine’s PubMed
~ website. Apart from the references below indicating his experience
~ with unusual deaths of infants (often blamed on parents by doctors
~ and police),

Yes, the police have been dedicatedly sniffing around trying to nail
Christine Maggiore. A neighbour of hers complained that they were
asking so many questions about HIV tests and AIDS medications that
she thought they must have mistaken her for a doctor or a scientist.
She said they behaved more like they were from the HIVPD than the LAPD.
They even tried to alienate that neighbour against Christene Maggiore,
asking questions like, "If you were an HIV positive mother, wouldn't
you test your children?".

In a way it is comforting to know that police in the US are as
bright as they are down here. Anyway, continuing with Al-Bayati's
credentials:

~ Al-Bayati was the first researcher who reported pathologic changes
~ in thymus and lymph nodes in experimental animals exposed to high
~ levels of the pollutant Vanadium. He also discovered that the
~ compound  vanadate can cause renal fibrosis (kidney damage). This
~ work is another clear indication of Al-Bayati’s skill reading
~ pathology slides in all organs and his evaluation of hematology data
~ as well as his expertise in pathology and toxicology.

Now regarding that MP3 interview that you linked, due to his heavy
accent, I had considerable difficulty understanding what Al-Bayati
was saying and tried unsuccessfully to find a transcription of it.
The way you have presented it, one could get the impression that he
was presenting an exclusive mechanism. Listening to other parts of
the interview and reading his submissions as published in the British
Medical Journal, I don't believe that this is the case. For instance,
he also talks about the role of alcohol, cocaine, AZT, protease
inhibitors and heroin.

But what is pertinent is that you were mocking his report on Eliza's
death. What in it did you find ridiculous? Here is that report:

http://www.justiceforej.com/ej-medveritas.pdf

Perhaps more importantly, what did you find so contrastingly
consistent, erudite and convincing about the coroner's finding of
AIDS related pneumonia? Additionally, I ask the following:

(i) Does an apparently healthy child, getting sick and then
dying within three weeks - with only an ear infection except for the
last two days - describe the normal progression for HIV -> AIDS ->
death?

(ii) Why is it that none of the several other doctors and physicians
were able to find pneumonia - let alone AIDS related pneumonia? Is
pneumonia that hard to detect?

(iii) Was a blood sample taken? Did it test HIV+ ?

(iv) Why was the body released to the mortuary with no finding of the
cause of death?  

(v) Why, after a month, was there still no finding for the cause of
death? How can that be? After all, you are all so certain here,
because it's so obvious, right?

(vi) Why is it that it was only after three further months, after the
coroner angrily found out about the mother testing mother testing HIV
positive (later testing negative), that AIDS related pneumonia was
determined as the cause of death?

Chris, I don't think this sad matter will ever go to before a court.
HIV/AIDS has too much to lose. Trial by media is a much safer option.
AIDS lobbyists would do well to hope that it stays there.

Best Regards,

Sean McHugh

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