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Tamiflu "resistance" another PharmaScare?

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Susie, age 9 - 23 Dec 2005 16:36 GMT
With absolutely NO PROOF of Tamiflu efficacy,
the PharmaSpin machine now claims that people
with the bird flu who get "aggressive" Tamiflu
treatment are dropping dead because the virus
purportedly has "developed resistance" to Tamiflu!!

But, of course, how better to promote a useless
drug than by scaring the living sh.t out of
everyone with quotes like:

   "no cause for alarm"

   and

   "Previous reports of resistance involved people
   who had taken the drug in low doses; inadequate
   doses of medicine are known to promote resistance
   by allowing viruses or bacteria to mutate and
   make a resurgence."

susie
=====

Bird flu proving resistant to Tamiflu treatment
Two girls received early treatment; no cause for alarm, official says

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10561923/

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 9:13 a.m. ET Dec. 22, 2005

GENEVA - Signs that the H5N1 bird flu virus may be
developing resistance to frontline drug Tamiflu in some
patients are not necessarily a cause for alarm, a senior
World Health Organization official said on Thursday.

Keiji Fukuda, a scientist at the WHO's global influenza
program, said some resistance was inevitable with any kind
of drug.

"Whenever you use any kind of drugs, antivirals or
antibiotics, you expect to see resistance develop in organs.
Finding some resistance in and of itself is not surprising
and is not necessarily alarming," he told Reuters.

But findings published in the New England Journal of
Medicine that four of eight patients treated in Vietnam for
bird flu infections had died despite the use of Tamiflu
indicated that more research was needed into how best to use
the drug, Fukuda said.

"It just points out the need for more information ... What
really is critical is understanding whether the way we are
using the drugs contributes to that (resistance)," he added.

Fukuda said some resistance was inevitable with any kind of
drug, and Tamiflu remained the best treatment.

"Whenever you use any kind of drugs, antivirals or
antibiotics, you expect to see resistance develop in organs.
Finding some resistance in and of itself is not surprising
and is not necessarily alarming," Fukuda said.

But more research was needed on optimal doses and length of
treatment for people infected with the deadly virus, to
limit the chances of resistance becoming more widespread, he
added.

Other experts said the deaths were disturbing because the
two girls had received early and aggressive treatment with
Tamiflu and had gotten the recommended doses.

The new report suggests that the doses doctors now consider
ideal may be too little. Previous reports of resistance
involved people who had taken the drug in low doses;
inadequate doses of medicine are known to promote resistance
by allowing viruses or bacteria to mutate and make a
resurgence.
wilyretrovirus - 23 Dec 2005 17:13 GMT
With absolutely NO PROOF of Tamiflu efficacy,
the PharmaSpin machine now claims that people
with the bird flu who get "aggressive" Tamiflu
treatment are dropping dead because the virus
purportedly has "developed resistance" to Tamiflu!!

But, of course, how better to promote a useless
drug than by scaring the living sh.t out of
everyone with quotes like:

   "no cause for alarm"

   and

   "Previous reports of resistance involved people
   who had taken the drug in low doses; inadequate
   doses of medicine are known to promote resistance
   by allowing viruses or bacteria to mutate and
   make a resurgence."

susie
=====

Bird flu proving resistant to Tamiflu treatment
Two girls received early treatment; no cause for alarm, official says

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10561923/

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 9:13 a.m. ET Dec. 22, 2005

GENEVA - Signs that the H5N1 bird flu virus may be
developing resistance to frontline drug Tamiflu in some patients are not
necessarily a cause for alarm, a senior World Health Organization official
said on Thursday.

Keiji Fukuda, a scientist at the WHO's global influenza program, said some
resistance was inevitable with any kind of drug.

"Whenever you use any kind of drugs, antivirals or
antibiotics, you expect to see resistance develop in organs. Finding some
resistance in and of itself is not surprising and is not necessarily
alarming," he told Reuters.

But findings published in the New England Journal of Medicine that four of
eight patients treated in Vietnam for bird flu infections had died despite
the use of Tamiflu indicated that more research was needed into how best
to use
the drug, Fukuda said.

"It just points out the need for more information ... What really is
critical is understanding whether the way we are
using the drugs contributes to that (resistance)," he added.

Fukuda said some resistance was inevitable with any kind of drug, and
Tamiflu remained the best treatment.

"Whenever you use any kind of drugs, antivirals or
antibiotics, you expect to see resistance develop in organs. Finding some
resistance in and of itself is not surprising and is not necessarily
alarming," Fukuda said.

But more research was needed on optimal doses and length of treatment for
people infected with the deadly virus, to limit the chances of resistance
becoming more widespread, he added.

Other experts said the deaths were disturbing because the two girls had
received early and aggressive treatment with
Tamiflu and had gotten the recommended doses.

The new report suggests that the doses doctors now consider ideal may be
too little. Previous reports of resistance involved people who had taken
the drug in low doses; inadequate doses of medicine are known to promote
resistance
by allowing viruses or bacteria to mutate and make a resurgence.

"Bird flu proving resistant to Tamiflu treatment
Two girls received early treatment; no cause for alarm, official says."

Susie, of course there's "no cause for alarm".  THEY know that this bird
flu thing is bullshit.  "No cause for alarm"...I interpret that as a cry
for help from those that just can't stop themselves from perpetuating this
kind of evil.  These moments of truthfulness have a way of coming out.

"But findings published in the New England Journal of Medicine that four
of eight patients treated in Vietnam for bird flu infections had died
despite the use of Tamiflu indicated that more research was needed into
how best to use
the drug, Fukuda said."

It seems that doctors and scientists have a REALLY difficult time thinking
"outside of the box".  I'm surprised that Tamiflu isn't simply called
"Birdfluquil".  So...1/2 of the patients died DESPITE being treated with
Tamiflu (as if this stuff had been handed down from God himself, they seem
so utterly surprised that it may not work). Instead of being such
lame-a.ses and pondering how "best to use the drug", maybe, just maybe,
they want to consider another treatment?  I don't know, that may require
some critical thinking or thinking outside of the box.  These guys sound
utterly incapable of that.  Or maybe they're paid to NOT think critically,
or "outside of the box".

"Other experts said the deaths were disturbing because the two girls had
received early and aggressive treatment with
Tamiflu and had gotten the recommended doses."

According to "other experts"...they apparently did everything "by the
book", still these girls had the audacity to die.  These "experts" are
idiots.  Maybe the girls didn't know that they were taking "Birfluquil",
handed down from God to the selfless doctors and scientists so
altruistically trying to save humanity from a deadly scourge.  Everything
was PERFECT until those two girls decided to die.  Oh well, we'll just
have to adjust the dose of Birdfluquil.
Seamore Tush - 24 Dec 2005 05:25 GMT
Susie, age 9 wrote...
> With absolutely NO PROOF of Tamiflu efficacy,
> the PharmaSpin machine now claims that people
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>     by allowing viruses or bacteria to mutate and
>     make a resurgence."

Keeping in mind that Donald Rumsfeld owns millions of dollars in
Tamiflu stock, the media reports of resistance don't make sense
except if you consider today's mention that the H5N1 is resistant
to "standard" treatment doses.  It was suggested that higher
doses would still work, but of course there is a purported shortage
shortage of the drug since the media began hyping the bird flu
story.  Tamiflu could never NOT work, because Rummie would lose
a fortune, but it could require much higher doses in which case
Rummie would get even richer.

And here's a scenario to think about.  Consider a deadly virus that
the government possesses in its research laboratories.  Consider
that high-ranking government officials own substantial stakes in
the companies that manufacture the only known drug treatment for
that deadly virus.  Consider that if the deadly virus did escape
from the laboratories and infect most people in the world, that
those high-ranking government officials would become EXTREMELY
rich.  Hmm...

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