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But you get up every morning brush your teeth and put on shoes.
Before you go to bed you take off those shoes and brush your teeth.

I would suggest you look up fluoride before you throw your shoes away

"Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation?"

Fluoride: The Hidden Poison in the National Organic Standards

Is Fluoride Really As Safe As You Are Told?
Freud, Fraud, And Fluoride
http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/6/fluoride_safety2.htm

Fluorine is a Deadly Poison
http://www.bragg.com/fact_sheets/fluoride_03.html

floride,flouride poison,floride,flouride poison,floride,flouride poison
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By James Donahue
http://www.viewzone.com/fluoride.html

I was a child when fluoride, a by-produce from the manufacture of atomic bombs, was first
introduced to the American people.

Nobody told us where fluoride came from. All we knew is that it was a newly discovered chemical
that would make our teeth extra hard and ward off cavities. When a free fluoride clinic was set
up one summer in our school, all the kids in town lined up to have the bitter tasting stuff
rubbed on their teeth.

We were pretty gullible in those days. The period immediately following World War II was a time
of scientific advancement. After the inventions of nylon, rayon, plastic and other marvelous
products that replaced fabrics, rubber and steel during the war years, people were lulled into
the belief that those balding men in white laboratory jackets could solve all of the problems
of the world. The belief was so strong that we blindly accepted whatever a "scientist" told us.
Nobody dreamed that we might be victims of fraud.

My father was part of the magic. He worked as a chemical engineer for a factory that made a
variety of products out of wheat and corn starch (including the brain-killing excitotoxin
monosodium glutamate). He provided well and I consequently made regular visits to a dentist
every summer. I knew well the agony of the dentist drill. It was nothing like the advanced
water-cooled high-speed equipment used by modern dentists. Repairing a cavity doomed us to what
seemed like hours of white-knuckle torture under the glaring lights of the dental chair, while
a man with plastic rimmed glasses and bad breath bored his way through teeth (and bone?). Once
the drilling was done, the dentist filled the hole he made with a hot metallic material that
burned when it went in, and left a bad taste in your mouth.

We had a mom-and-pop grocery store in our neighborhood where kids could buy penny candy and a
package of gum for a nickel. I made a lot of visits to that candy store.

Even though my mother made sure that I brushed my teeth daily, somehow I don't remember linking
the candy I was eating to all of the cavities. When fluoride was introduced, it seemed like a
child's dream come true.

I was disappointed, of course. I had just as many cavities in my teeth the following year.

When they started dumping fluoride in the local water supply, and adding it to the ingredients
in our toothpaste, I thought that would surely solve my problem. It seemed reasonable to think
that I didn't get a heavy enough dose of fluoride when I attended the free clinic. After all,
if a little bit of fluoride was good for my teeth, it made sense that a lot more fluoride would
be even better.

But alas, after years of drinking, scrubbing and consuming fluoride-laced products, we now
learn that we've been scammed. This chemical is found to be totally ineffective in preventing
tooth decay. Not only that, it seems to be directly linked to a variety of medical problems
ranging from discolored teeth to bone disease and cancer.
In short, fluoride is a poison.

This is not news to the medical world. The Journal of the American Medical Association and the
New England Journal of Medicine have both reported greater incidence of hip fractures in
fluoridated areas. The National Institute of Environmental and Health Services has linked
fluoridation with cancer.

A book by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis, titled "Fluoride, The Aging Factor," shows that the drug
causes a premature aging process. He notes that in areas where fluoride is consumed in the
drinking water, there are higher rates of bone disorders (skeletal fluorosis, osteoporosis and
arthritic pain) and people suffer from brown decaying teeth.

"Fluoride is a poison!" Yiamouyiannis warns." The 1984 issue of Clinical Toxicology of
Commercial Products lists fluoride as more poisonous than lead and just slightly less poisonous
than arsenic. It has been used as a pesticide for mice, rats and other small pests. A 10-pound
infant could be killed by 1/100 of an ounce and a 100-pound adult could be killed by 1/10 of an
ounce of fluoride. The Akron Regional Poison Center indicates that a 7-ounce tube of toothpaste
contains 199 mg. of fluoride, more than enough to kill a 25-pound child."

Yiamouyiannis writes that the acceleration of the aging process by fluoride occurs at the
bio-chemical level by causing enzyme inhibition, collagen breakdown, genetic damage and
disruption of the immune system.

"Fluoride interacts with the bonds which maintain the normal shape of proteins," he continues.
"With distorted protein, the immune system attacks it's own protein, the body's own tissue."
The visual and physical effects from prolonged exposure to fluoride include nausea, bloody
vomit, faintness, stomach cramps, tremors, constipation, aching bones, stiffness, skin rash,
weight loss and brown or black discoloration of the teeth.

The horror in this story is that fluoride was known as a deadly poison from the start. But if
this was true, why would the U. S. government promote the sale of it to its own people, and
later people all over the world? Would you believe the answer to this question is money?
There is compelling evidence that the program of water fluoridation began as a massive effort
to cover up bad publicity from one of the most toxic materials to emerge from the government's
secret nuclear weapons program. The idea was that if fluoride could be presented to the country
as beneficial, then no one could sue the government for being harmed by it.

An article by Dr. Jackie Alan Giuliano in "Healing Our World" noted that reporters Joel
Griffiths and Chris Bryson discovered the truth about fluoride while researching hundreds of
declassified documents about the Manhattan Project, America's secret atomic bomb development
program.

They found that fluoride as a key chemical in atomic bomb production. Millions of tons were
used during the Cold War period to manufacture high-grade uranium and plutonium.

"Fluoride was the top chemical hazard of the U.S. nuclear weapons program, not only for
workers, but for those living in nearby communities as well," Giuliano wrote.

"The documents show that the first U.S. lawsuits levied against the atomic weapons program were
over fluoride poisoning, not radiation damage. The documents reveal that the U.S. government
secretly ordered atomic bomb scientists to create "evidence useful in litigation" against
defense contractors who were being accused of injuring citizens with fluoride."

This secret work to head-off government lawsuits lead to a multi-billion dollar industry that
has been poisoning our water supplies, our toothpaste, and our bodies ever since. Believe this
or not, fluoride tablets are even available for children.

To escape the harmful effects of fluoride, Yiamouyiannis suggests that you seek non-fluoride
toothpaste (but you may have to go to health stores to find it), and drink bottled water. Even
using tap water to cook may expose you to fluoride.

Now that the truth about fluoride is out, why haven't towns and toothpaste companies stopped
dumping this terrible poison in our water and toothpaste supplies? Don't expect that to happen.
Remember, I said this is a multi-billion dollar industry. Nobody shuts down a money machine
like that without a fight.

We each have been given the right to utilize the logic that God has given us.

Just a note about toothpastes with flouride...

easy to circumvent all of that, just make your own paste of 3% H2O2 and
baking soda....cheap, clean, safe, and keeps the pearly whites white (as
I smile big).

Same with mouthwash. No need for those expensive green liquers that are
everywhere....just use H2O2 to gargle and spit.

" We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell
of a mistake"
Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Laureate and inventor of Polymerase Chain
Reaction.

So supersport is the seasonal flu a total scam????

Is smallpox a total scam?????

Is HPV a total scam????

Is Legionnaires disease a total scam????

What evidence to you have that SARS and Westnile are "total scams"? I am
sure the families of those who have died or become ill from both would be
greatly interested in the facts that prove they did not.

Gary Stein

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She gave Miss Rove, the turdflower, lessons, I hear.

I tell people about tooth decay and toothpaste, and oral health in
general as a microcosm of overall health or "disease."  Toothpaste is
an oxidizing agent, some worse than others.  Your teeth will be fine
without them, though not necessarily very white.  I never use
toothpaste, but instead pick out whatever is stuck.  I eat at least a
little yogurt with each meal and I drink white tea.  My teeth are not
white, but my breath is never bad, and I don't have any tooth decay
problems.

It's as simple as the periodic table.  Some elements steal electrons
and cause dysfunction in vital biomolecules, while some donate
electrons and are usually beneficial, though in the diet you get both,
as in salt.  In food, highly unsaturated oils act as "electron
stealers," while things like blueberries, dark chocolate, or white tea
act as donors.  Though too much donation could be a problem too, that's
usually the case only if one takes massive amounts of certain
supplements, whereas the highly unsaturated oils are real bad news.

Some toothpastes can be very strong oxidizers, and some oral surgeons
predict an "epidemic" of oral cancer in the next 10 years or so.  Sound
familiar?
This is the basic, underlying mechanism of "AIDS" and the "chronic
diseases," with very few exceptions.

For some basic information, go here:
http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch10/group7.html

I actually said that Duesberg hadn't replied to me after nearly a week!
I granted the caveat that he may have been too busy.  I get the
impression that he was, from what he wrote back.

Here is the permalink:
http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1105628771.shtml#21487

Note the time: 6:17 pm, feb first 2004.

Dean then went ahead and posted this crap:

http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1107851531.shtml

Note the time: Feb 8th, around 4:30 pm.

which occurred after Duesberg had, of course, replied to me.  His email
to me (which is the one Dean posts on his site) is timed/dated Feb 8th
1:59am.  Since I complained on Feb first and Duesberg didn't reply for
a full week (until Feb 8th) I did not lie when I said that Duesberg
wasn't replying to me.

I did point this out to Dean, and the world in general:

http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1107851531.shtml#22207

Duh.

I freely admitted that we were conversing back and forth here:

http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1106733235.shtml#22163

And of course I post all of my emails to Duesberg on Dean's site (as
supplied in the second link above.

I did not lie, Dean simply jumps to conclusions on minimal information
- which is why he believes HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

I've already posted the entirety of MY side of the exchange online.  I
do not feel comfortable with posting Duesberg's emails without his
explicit permission, since they were written from one person to another
as private correspondance.  I do have them archived (as I try with all
my dissident correspondance).

Never - the PG are never satisfied.  They admit that since HIV kills
cells and creates debris their purification method can NEVER isolated
HIV.  HAH!  What an amazing piece of logic.  When confronted with
alternative, better methods of purification, they throw hissy fits and
change the subject.

You are aware that Koch himself knew that his postulates were flawed?
They did not apply to leprosy until the 1960's (!) and at the time he
thought of them viruses were not even known about.

Low CD4 counts are found in AIDS - they can also be found in other
situations which are clearly not AIDS, and in these situations you
can't possibly expect HIV to be involved.  You're setting up a Strawman
Argument.

HIV is the only common factor in blood-borne and sexually transmitted
acquired low CD4 counts.  Other possibilities (lifestyle, drugs,
clotting factors) are not, and by your own argument cannot cause AIDS
either.

Everyone dies.  People with untreated HIV infection tend to lose their
CD4 T cells.  People with treated HIV infection tend to not lose their
CD4 T cells.  If they start to lose their CD4 T cells you can see that
the virus has acquired mutations that correlate with the drugs they are
on (resistance mutations).  Change the drugs, the CD4 counts recover.
If you start to run out of drugs...you're out of luck.

Some unfortunately will die from other things anyway.  Some really
unfortunate people will die from the chronic side effects of the very
medications intended to help them (eg protease inhibitors leading to
lipid abnormalities and cardiovascular disease).  Overall, annual
mortality is greatly improved.

Without going into the details I can imagine that some will die _with_
HIV rather than _from_ HIV.  Many of those treated who would otherwise
have died will not.  Many of those who don't yet know they are infected
are in the asymptomatic phase and are (obviously) not yet at serious
risk of dying anyway.  I could spend my time working into the wee hours
working out all the details...but on the other hand so can you!

You really want to know?

http://aidsmyth.blogspot.com/2004/10/latest-bmj-rebuttal.html

No problem.

Cheers

Bennett

EVIDENCE THAT HIV CAUSES AIDS
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/evidhiv.htm

HIV fulfills Koch's postulates as the cause of AIDS.

Among many criteria used over the years to prove the link between putative
pathogenic (disease-causing) agents and disease, perhaps the most-cited are
Koch's postulates, developed in the late 19th century. Koch's postulates
have been variously interpreted by many scientists, and modifications have
been suggested to accommodate new technologies, particularly with regard to
viruses (Harden. Pubbl Stn Zool Napoli [II] 1992;14:249; O'Brien, Goedert.
Curr Opin Immunol 1996;8:613). However, the basic tenets remain the same,
and for more than a century Koch's postulates, as listed below, have served
as the litmus test for determining the cause of any epidemic disease:

Epidemiological association: the suspected cause must be strongly associated
with the disease.
Isolation: the suspected pathogen can be isolated - and propagated - outside
the host.
Transmission pathogenesis: transfer of the suspected pathogen to an
uninfected host, man or animal, produces the disease in that host.

With regard to postulate #1, numerous studies from around the world show
that virtually all AIDS patients are HIV-seropositive; that is they carry
antibodies that indicate HIV infection. With regard to postulate #2, modern
culture techniques have allowed the isolation of HIV in virtually all AIDS
patients, as well as in almost all HIV-seropositive individuals with both
early- and late-stage disease. In addition, the polymerase chain (PCR) and
other sophisticated molecular techniques have enabled researchers to
document the presence of HIV genes in virtually all patients with AIDS, as
well as in individuals in earlier stages of HIV disease.

Postulate #3 has been fulfilled in tragic incidents involving three
laboratory workers with no other risk factors who have developed AIDS or
severe immunosuppression after accidental exposure to concentrated, cloned
HIV in the laboratory. In all three cases, HIV was isolated from the
infected individual, sequenced and shown to be the infecting strain of
virus. In another tragic incident, transmission of HIV from a Florida
dentist to six patients has been documented by genetic analyses of virus
isolated from both the dentist and the patients. The dentist and three of
the patients developed AIDS and died, and at least one of the other patients
has developed AIDS. Five of the patients had no HIV risk factors other than
multiple visits to the dentist for invasive procedures (O'Brien, Goedert.
Curr Opin Immunol 1996;8:613; O'Brien, 1997; Ciesielski et al. Ann Intern
Med 1994;121:886).

In addition, through December 1999, the CDC had received reports of 56
health care workers in the United States with documented, occupationally
acquired HIV infection, of whom 25 have developed AIDS in the absence of
other risk factors. The development of AIDS following known HIV
seroconversion also has been repeatedly observed in pediatric and adult
blood transfusion cases, in mother-to-child transmission, and in studies of
hemophilia, injection-drug use and sexual transmission in which
seroconversion can be documented using serial blood samples (CDC. HIV AIDS
Surveillance Report 1999;11[2]:1; AIDS Knowledge Base, 1999). For example,
in a 10-year study in the Netherlands, researchers followed 11 children who
had become infected with HIV as neonates by small aliquots of plasma from a
single HIV-infected donor. During the 10-year period, eight of the children
died of AIDS. Of the remaining three children, all showed a progressive
decline in cellular immunity, and two of the three had symptoms probably
related to HIV infection (van den Berg et al. Acta Paediatr 1994;83:17).

Koch's postulates also have been fulfilled in animal models of human AIDS.
Chimpanzees experimentally infected with HIV have developed severe
immunosuppression and AIDS. In severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID) mice
given a human immune system, HIV produces similar patterns of cell killing
and pathogenesis as seen in people. HIV-2, a less virulent variant of HIV
which causes AIDS in people, also causes an AIDS-like syndrome in baboons.
More than a dozen strains of simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), a close
cousin of HIV, cause AIDS in Asian macaques. In addition, chimeric viruses
known as SHIVs, which contain an SIV backbone with various HIV genes in
place of the corresponding SIV genes, cause AIDS in macaques. Further
strengthening the association of these viruses with AIDS, researchers have
shown that SIV/SHIVs isolated from animals with AIDS cause AIDS when
transmitted to uninfected animals (O'Neil et al. J Infect Dis 2000;182:1051;
Aldrovandi et al. Nature 1993;363:732; Liska et al. AIDS Res Hum
Retroviruses 1999;15:445; Locher et al. Arch Pathol Lab Med 1998;22:523;
Hirsch et al. Virus Res 1994;32:183; Joag et al. J Virol 1996;70:3189).

KOCH'S POSTULATES FULFILLED
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/12.htm

Recent developments in HIV research provide some of the strongest evidence
for the causative role of HIV in AIDS and fulfill the classical postulates
for disease causation developed by Henle and Koch in the 19th century
(Koch's postulates reviewed in Evans, 1976, 1989a; Harden, 1992). Koch's
postulates have been variously interpreted by many scientists over the
years. One scientist who asserts that HIV does not cause AIDS has set forth
the following interpretation of the postulates for proving the causal
relationship between a microorganism and a specific disease (Duesberg,
1987):

The microorganism must be found in all cases of the disease.
It must be isolated from the host and grown in pure culture.
It must reproduce the original disease when introduced into a susceptible
host.
It must be found in the experimental host so infected.

Recent developments in HIV/AIDS research have shown that HIV fulfills these
criteria as the cause of AIDS.

1) The development of DNA PCR has enabled researchers to document the
presence of cell-associated proviral HIV in virtually all patients with
AIDS, as well as in individuals in earlier stages of HIV disease (Kwok et
al., 1987; Wages et al., 1991; Bagasra et al., 1992; Bruisten et al., 1992;
Petru et al., 1992; Hammer et al., 1993). RNA PCR has been used to detect
cell-free and/or cell-associated viral RNA in patients at all stages of HIV
disease (Ottmann et al., 1991; Schnittman et al., 1991; Aoki-Sei, 1992;
Michael et al., 1992; Piatak et al., 1993) (Table 3).

2) Improvements in co-culture techniques have allowed the isolation of HIV
in virtually all AIDS patients, as well as in almost all seropositive
individuals with both early- and late-stage disease (Coombs et al., 1989;
Schnittman et al., 1989; Ho et al., 1989; Jackson et al., 1990).

1-4) All four postulates have been fulfilled in three laboratory workers
with no other risk factors who have developed AIDS or severe
immunosuppression after accidental exposure to concentrated HIVIIIB in the
laboratory (Blattner et al., 1993; Reitz et al., 1994; Cohen, 1994c). Two
patients were infected in 1985 and one in 1991. All three have shown marked
CD4+ T cell depletion, and two have CD4+ T cell counts that have dropped
below 200/mm3 of blood. One of these latter individuals developed PCP, an
AIDS indicator disease, 68 months after showing evidence of infection and
did not receive antiretroviral drugs until 83 months after the infection. In
all three cases, HIVIIIB was isolated from the infected individual,
sequenced, and shown to be the original infecting strain of virus.

In addition, as of Dec. 31, 1994, CDC had received reports of 42 health care
workers in the United States with documented, occupationally acquired HIV
infection, of whom 17 have developed AIDS in the absence of other risk
factors (CDC, 1995a). These individuals all had evidence of HIV
seroconversion following a discrete percutaneous or mucocutaneous exposure
to blood, body fluids or other clinical laboratory specimens containing HIV.

The development of AIDS following known HIV seroconversion also has been
repeatedly observed in pediatric and adult blood transfusion cases (Ward et
al., 1989; Ashton et al., 1994), in mother-to-child transmission (European
Collaborative Study, 1991, 1992; Turner et al., 1993; Blanche et al., 1994),
and in studies of hemophilia, injection drug use, and sexual transmission in
which the time of seroconversion can be documented using serial blood
samples (Goedert et al., 1989; Rezza et al., 1989; Biggar, 1990; Alcabes et
al., 1993a,b; Giesecke et al., 1990; Buchbinder et al., 1994; Sabin et al.,
1993).

In many such cases, infection is followed by an acute retroviral syndrome,
which further strengthens the chronological association between HIV and AIDS
(Pedersen et al., 1989, 1993; Schechter et al., 1990; Tindall and Cooper,
1991; Keet et al., 1993; Sinicco et al., 1993; Bachmeyer et al., 1993;
Lindback et al., 1994).

Gary Stein